Plus, while technically she's a cyborg, it's honestly a little pedantic and what she is technically called now is not important to her true nature in the first place
I used to believe Spongebob, *Robert* the *Sponge*, was cheese and a girl when I was a kid... I'm just happy my older sisters told me nicely instead of laughing at me because of a simple mistake. If anyone wants to teach people something, they should do it in a way that makes people want to listen to them in the first place.
It's really not that hard to do or it shouldn't be. If someone is uneducated and shows interest in learning, teach them with respect and not like they're lesser than.
But how could you forget how this wasn't just ANY cake, it was a strawberry shortcake!?!? I'd probably kick the a** of a god if someone stole a strawberry shortcake from me! (Possibly, I haven't tried strawberry shortcake yet.)
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb IF IT WAS A FARAWAYKINNIE CHOCOLATE CAKE (LITTERALY ANY FORM OF CAKE, IN FACT) I WOULD ALSO FIGHT GOD OF THE UNDERWORLD ITSELF TOO! So yeah, I agree. Prince ig
Aggressive fans is an issue that's better addressed sooner than later. Luckily with the Kirby community it hasn't yet been quite as bad as with other fandoms, but it's bound to get worse from here if nobody does anything about it.
Nothing can be done with it, just like nothing could be done for those other fanbases. There's nothing easier to rile up than a mob of people and that's been the case since the dawn of mankind, long before the internet. Individuals can improve & learn, but there'll always be more idiots to cause trouble, especially on social media
It's kinda scary how far in and serious people can take this. Kirby lore is fascinating but people need to remember to just be nice to others when they get things wrong or you disagree. It's not like everything is clear cut about this franchise. I still get confused from time to time. Let's all just remember what Kirby's about. Friendship, kindness and most importantly eating.
Yo mean, it’s Kirby, it fills me with joy, and I have had LITTLE to no issue wit the fanbase, and it seems that everyone is really chill. It’s just fun, and the LORE should just be fun like the rest of the series. Wild to even imagine people going crazy, but eh, every fanbase is bound to have some bad apples at one point or another
Well, at least the fan base does have that going for it. I remember Meteorz once stated in a QnA that he feels that the Kirby community is a heck of a lot calmer than other community's. Honesty, I agree.
Honestly I didn’t care I was just playing a game that I liked and didn’t even know lore was a thing. Until I saw meteorz and he is a pretty good content creator.
Man, knowing that fans would go lengths to insult someone about their beliefs in the franchise is not new. But when you consider the fact that it's KIRBY fans, then it blows you away, because it happened to me
@@mypaldracunyan1223 don't worry too much, a block and a goodbye. Ignore people like that. If we continue drama or add to it it's worse. Let them be and don't talk to someone that crossed the line that is being passionate. Insulting is never the way of convincing someone
The moment I saw "Meteorz Storms" in title, not only did I feel a little happy because I sort of missed this serious, but I knew exactly what this was going to be about.
Just reminds me when Vinny was playing through Planet Robobot and people got all upset he wasn’t pausing for every boss and didn’t immediately recognize an old character that reappears later
@Sean Tong I think that's the point. Only the people who care about the lore will read it, and the people who don't care can easily ignore it and not get bombarded with cutscenes and text explaining the story to them.
You know it's funny how the kirby subreddit is the chillest place in the community, when in most communities (cough cough paper mario cough cough) it's the opposite
I bet that before 2007, r/papermario was also a happening place to be. I would say 2012 but the Super Paper Mario outrage was big at that time. The best thing about Sticker Star is that it highlights the difference between a game that took a different direction to deliver on its core storytelling premises and a bad game that uses the former to justify its bad design patterns.
I doubt it was immediate because I don’t know the history of the fandom circa 2007, but I know there was a hatred of Super Paper Mario until Sticker Star. Granted, it’s because Sticker Star is irredeemably bad by many that people realized Super Paper Mario’s unique setting and story, and that it maintained the “Paper Mario charm” while Sticker Star has nothing to grab onto except visuals, Thing hunting, and the music. They barely even compensate. But I doubt the hatred was so absolute or that built up for Super Paper Mario; 2/3rds of the games were “good”. The instantaneous hate came from Sticker Star and any game that follows its footsteps - there are two clear eras of Paper Mario and you can see what Sticker Star-led games lack very easily.
@@iantaakalla8180 who gives a damn about "that game is good and that game is bad" the toxicity that comes from that is why the paper mario community is impossible to live with, because they don't want to let people like games that they don't, it sickens me
While it does dissapoint me when some people still don't understand some aspects of Kirby story or lore, i find it better to explain it in a fun and interesting way than to harass someone over their knowledge Like guys, we want these people to be interested in Kirby, not hate it lmao May everyone who read this have a good day
I just like the lore because it clashes with the simple, cutesy nature entirely. But it’s not that serious that you have to bash others for believing in something you down. Especially considering said lore is extremely vague That being said, I’ve had an opposite reaction in a discord group however where people talked down to me for believing Kirby lore entirely and said the only story was King Dedede being evil
Yeah I mean it's hard to piece together a lot of things in Kirby lore because of it's vagueness. People shouldn't bash others for not knowing or disagreeing on such vague lore.
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb I mean I don't think we should count possessions as technicalities. Cause in that case Dedede has technically been a villain WAY more times.
I feel like the biggest issue that is related to this is when people try to come up to your face a preach about how the cute, pink, Kirby game has the scary eyeball that bleeds!!!!! Woahhh!!! It’s deeeeeeeepppp! They all have this notion that they *must* tell you that Kirby has this dark lore and is complex because it’s Kirby. It just gets old after hearing someone explain the same thing again and again trying to show that the funny game has the connected lore.
Yeah, it's just people trying to justify liking this series made for kids by constantly shoving in one's face how Dark! and Messed Up! the villains are or whatever People *don't* need childish excuses to like this series, I'm sad people still do that to this day
It's so annoying and dumb. Why do people have to bring up the "deep Kirby lore" every single time and shove it down your throat. It does feel like an excuse because I'm pretty sure most people who bought a Kirby game just bought for the cute pink blob and his friendly world. It's perfectly fine to like it's much more...interesting bits but don't go parading around saying it's this ultra deep franchise because people will have to dig for it. It's a cute kids game with some cool lore. Don't hide from it embrace it.
For something more reserved for the end of the game it feels like the first damn thing people talk about. Why can't it sometimes just be a simple game anyone can play.
I was missing this series. And no, Kirby's lore IS serious. They should teach it at school and school would finally teach something I'll use (I'm sure people won't take this as a joke so... Yeah, I'm joking)
It doesn't make sense to desire to kill someone who doesn't place Kirby like he's Brawl Meta Knight on a tier list for a silly toy fighting game, which is why those people shouldn't be desiring such, not just because it would be murder, but because it is the worst possible reason to murder someone. On the topic of silly toy fighting game tier list-related issues, it's dumb to blame a character's placement on said tier list for your own lack of skill. People who move up to a higher-skill area and still spam dair on Kirby, then drop the character because someone who is better at the character they play than they are at Kirby defeated them, and said character just so happened to have any advantage at all against a Kirby player with skill level similar to said victor's, for example.
...Yikes, these people need to chill. I partially get why Matpat was targeted since his theories are already controversial, but the Susie person being harassed so much they had to close both their accounts, over something that was probably a first impression? That is messed up, especially coming from Kirby fans.
Definitely. They could've been going soley off design. Not everyone needs to know everything about the inticassies of a franchise and harassing them for it is flat out disgusting.
matpat also has trash theories that ignore that parts of the lore that contradict his theory matpat deserved the hatred for making trash theories that can be easily debunked
I was there when the whole discourse happened, I'm seriously disgusted by what some people can do. I got to see many people that followed me or that I engaged in... directly chase the owner of that account for the sake of proving he was "wrong", ignoring any humane ways of communicating with outsiders of the fandom. And for what, to berate them? To gatekeep potential new fans out of the fandom? Disgusting. I blocked those harassers on the spot for that reason. Thank you for this video, Meteorz. This is a message this fandom desperately needs to hear. Uninformed people are still people, acting like an entitled jerk to prove how wrong they are makes you a terrible person. This fandom needs to become more tolerant to outsiders.
TL:DR: If your harass people for not knowing something only a fan would know, you are NOT being a hero, you're just looking for an excuse to attack innocent people. Be tolerant.
Honestly Meteorz, I can't thank you enough for addressing this. As a longtime Kirby fan, I can get quite annoyed sometimes when it comes to people getting some things in the series incorrect (i.e. calling King Dedede the series antagonist a la Bowser and believing KRBaY to be canon), but I always try my best to be civil and point them towards the correct information without causing a ruckus. And sure, I can atleast understand the MatPat situation as he's quite notorious for making somewhat clickbaity videos that get a whole bunch of stuff incorrect (i.e. Mario Is Mental and Sans Is Ness), but I REALLY don't understand why some people decided to harass a gimmick account on Twitter just because they thought Susie was a robot. By the way, this is coming from someone who originally thought that Susie was atleast part robot prior to when I actually decided to play Planet Robobot. Plus, haven't those people considered that there are some out there who headcanon Susie to be robotic in some way even if it's not canon? Regardless, I sincerely hope that those people can learn from their mistakes and try to be more respectful to others, because I really don't want the Kirby fanbase to go from being one of the more chill fanbases out there to something that's almost as toxic as, say, the Paper Mario fandom. If we all truly are Kirby fans, then like you said at the end of this video, we should follow Kirby's example and be friendly towards those who don't know the full story when it comes to some aspects of Kirby lore; who knows, in a way those people could end up becoming Dream Friends... Once again, thanks for addressing this situation.
yeah the lore-enforcers have seriously been a serious issue for a long time. reminds me of the fact that an LPer playing through kirby games and not p a u s i n g f o r l o r e is a sin comparable to killing toriel in your first undertale playthrough. it's a mess, and i hope you don't feel responsible just because you made videos on it and made jokes about it. it really shouldn't be taken that seriously, it's something the people behind the games enjoy giving... in their own, obtuse ways... and we in the community enjoy consuming if we are indeed able to decode it. although we're humans. we're good at ruining things.
Ugh, of all the toxic elements of fanbases out there, Undertale is in my opinion the worst. "YOU NEED TO PLAY THIS GAME BLIND!!!" **somebody plays the game blind, and of course kills enemies in battles because that's what anyone and everyone would and did do on their first playthrough** "WTF YOU'RE PLAYING THE GAME WRONG RAGE RAGE RAGE!!!" Make up your mind!
Wouldn't you like more people to pause the game tho? People outside the lore enthusiasts part or fan ASE act like kirby is a kids game without depth that doesn't even deserve a chance to be played if there's a new mario port from a 13 years old game. I would want people to see appreciate kirby more, not just wow how cute teehee I love kirby that green greens theme in smash is awesome. Not that there's anything wrong with those people, they are enjoying in their own way, but if someone actually plays something online for tons of people, are you just gonna watch em play without even asking for them to show you the full experience?
@@AsecasJavi in essence kirby is still a series that's marketed as a "kids game". the lore seems to be intentionally tucked away for people who casually enjoy the game to not even notice. most of the deep themes not being there if you don't read them means that it appeals to both people who just enjoy the gameplay (and you know... kids) and those who are so invested in the lore they play a game to see what kind of ludicrous info is stuck in the pause screens of the end boss. you can obviously still ask to do it but don't treat it like the streamers are robbing their viewers of the full experience if they don't, it's not meant to be mandatory to enjoy the game or to convince others to do so.
@@SereKabii Agree on everything you say, just saying that you aren't showing the full game. Of course it's not meant to be mandatory, but it's what it makes the games so much more than just good or great games. Sometimes feels people underrate kirby and belittle the franchise talking like he's just cute or merchandise. The main offender being the series representation in smash. Zelda, earthbound and kirby are surprisingly poorly represented in a surface level way, making it seem like they are barebones games. Zelda is a strong series so they don't have to bother, but kirby and earthbound... to put it lightly only fans of the series know how bad it is. I just want those aspects to be represented in more media, or at least to be known. Of course you don't have to be rude, and you don't have to ask, but as a fan... Would'nt you want for people to really enjoy a game at its fullest? Some of them even complain about difficulty or being super dry story modes without depth, when they don't even play any mode after story mode or read the story...
Kirby Right Back at Ya is where I got interested in the lore of both the show & the games... Although you really couldn’t bother me to stop fighting the boss for a moment just to read some lore. I’ve usually been accustomed to having games show enough interest in it’s story to tell me about it somewhere along the journey.
Kirby Lore: Its fun to talk about, lovely to discuss with others about, but let's respect those who don't know the full story, and be nice to all non-Kirby fans. Let's be friends, and throw lots of friend hearts!
Good on you for owning up and calling out bullshit. MattPatt has a habit of clickbaitey innaccurate videos, so it was at least a bit understandable, but harassing a small twitter account is way worse.
Thank you so much for addressing this. Not everything we might find obvious is so obvious for everyone else. But what SHOULD be obvious is to be civil and treat people with respect without being an elitist. I'm glad you also admitted your faults as well. And I hope you as well as other fans can learn and better yourselves for a brighter future.:)
I’m glad even though he screwed up, he didn’t just “oh I’m sorry” and guilt trip his audience for PR like any other apology video. He made it a PSA and made a small montage of his wrongings, before ranting about why he himself was wrong. That was a legitimate video and he did a good job. I don’t care if this is necroposting, this is one of the best apology vids on the platform.
Hoo boy, this video... When I initially read through the script on this video, I was rather... direct when I shared what I had thought on it. For the record, I was in approval of this video being made (I say that but really it should be the content creator's own choice to upload what they want, but Meteor was still willing to listen to what others thought beforehand until he came to a decision himself) if only because it should be stated that as a much of a Kirby fan that I am... the lore is definitely what I feel like is the one thing that practically tears this fandom apart sometimes. Believe me, as someone who isn't fully aware of the lore of other video game franchises out there that I haven't experienced yet but am willing to go through and understand what they have to offer (Puyo Puyo would be a good example of that), it genuinely feels disheartening hearing someone harass me if only because I would mess up with a single mistake that would warrant many people coming after me for simply failing to comprehend the full character of just one simple character within said franchise. Really, it just needs to be said that at the end of the day, Kirby isn't exactly a flawless series (believe me, if the way they handle storytelling within the games through pause screen text is the best they can possibly do, then they could strive to do SO much better in relaying that info without just needlessly hiding it away somewhere where people wouldn't even bother looking in the first place unless clear evidence of it is revealed via Internet), and the fact that many seem to think it generally lacks flaws only makes me want to assume that their tastes are very... peculiar with how HAL handles the franchise as a whole. To reiterate, I'm not saying that Kirby is a bad franchise... far from it. It's that often you have so many people talk about the overall positives so much so that it's hard to talk about the negatives about it unless you're "itching to stir trouble", as it were. I mean, if you really had to ask me what I think of the fandom as a whole, it at least feels more tame than the likes of others out there, but at the same time, it's not like it's without a fair share of its own problems... and this video here I think gets the point clear of how the fandom reacts to situations of people not grasping the full context of the lore within it. There may be other several problems out there I'm unaware of, but still, we can't just act belligerent towards those who aren't fully enlightened on the truth behind the characters they look at.
This might be late but I just wanted to say I agree with you. The Kirby series is far from bad and so is the fandom but it's also not perfect. The games could do much better at telling their stories as plopping it in pause text isn't very useful for trying to tell a story. People pause to grab a snack or use the washroom. Not look into important pieces of information of a story they could've done better in the actual game. For example, y'know how Suzie has a bit of text before a few boss fights? Well why don't we put in little tid bits of how she disappeared and survived instead of waiting for the game to be finished then pause in battles within extra modes. The fanbase isn't much better. You could literally talk about anything Kirby related with another fan and have a good time...except the lore. Mess up one thing and you'll get a tirade of people arguing against you and maybe one anothers conflicting opinions. And they act like the was given to us clear cut in the first place when no it almost never is and it get's confusing. Back to Susie, whether she was any part robot or her survival were up in the air for Miiverse to solve. We needed to go to a external source of media to get important details we should have recieved in game. The story may have been good but it was told not so gracefully. So if someones confused, that's understandable. If I didn't know anything about Kirby or it's lore and I thought Susie was a robot, I'd be wrong but I'd like someone to clear that up respectfully and not chew at me for not knowing something I didn't pause for cause that's the epitome of story telling. And it's like if I say anything I remotely bad about a game or the series, I'm burned at the stake. This is my favourite series but of course it has flaws. You can respectfully disaggree but to tell me not to criticize something just cause the series has a consistent track record is flat out false. Sorry for the giant comment just wanted to point out speciafically where and how I agree.
...Yeah, as someone who is in A LOT of fanbases that theorize about lore, all of them often do this things and that's just sad. Even if I didn't fully agree with MatPat's theory, I wish there was a part two, since it seemed like a very interesting story...
Tbf I think a reason people disliked that one was because GT fans will accept it as fact and it becomes annoying. That happened with the “Evil Mario” Theory
@@shyguymike That kinda just shows that people hate GT W a y too much. Like i get it, Matpat doesn’t make a slam dunk every time, but people really go overboard with him.
@@train4292 I mean, he can get kinda snooty at times. After the Mario is evil theory, he just kept stating it was fact over and over. After the Sans is Ness theory, he stated in another theory that he did not jump the gun and that “if you look closely, all the pieces come together”
The title is a little misleading. I clicked on this thinking it was going to be about how Kirby's lore does not take itself seriously and it isn't as deep as everyone would like it to be.
See, I've been always bitching about how hidden the lore was. (I've always been of the belief pause screens and Miiverse are awful places to put lore in.) Everyone talked crap to me for talking crap about HAL's storytelling. And now it came to bite them in the ass because they got mad at people for not knowing something that's not fully apparent. What can I say, except "I warned you all".
well... everyone makes mistakes. Man thats nuts, I didnt think kirby had *that* kind of community... but apparently, some sectors do. We really need to be better than this. Its kirby, the wholesome boi, we shouldn't be doing this stuff.
The fandom makes the lore seem so much more complicated and serious than it actually is. It's just a game about a pink gumball and his friends protecting the universe
Yeah seriously. It's fine to talk about it and have discussions but don't think people not knowing this sometimes quite vague lore or having disaggreeable or wrong points is this big deal.
Tiny gumball with ties to evil god thing kills other evil dark gods because his cake was stolen and he is now sad because he lost his means of stress eating. Also there's some guy who looks like squidward, some Clock with a cat's face tried to end life because reasons, and Dedede is the name you should know cuz he's the king of da show.
I believe that every person should be treated with respect and fairness when discussing ANY part of a series whether it be characters, lore, or even trivial things like music and gameplay. No one should be bullied or harassed for not knowing something or for making a mistake. Not only does it make the individual look spiteful, petty, and mean for getting so worked up over a fictional story/character, but it also gives people a bad impression of what the rest of the community is like. It’s honestly depressing.
Yeah. It's fine to discuss topics you're both interested in and to be passionate about something even if it's fictional. The problem arises when your passion goes way over the line and you argue with and/or harass people over your opinion or way you see things. Not everyone is the same as you. They will have different takes or opinions or just don't care as much. The fact some people don't realize that is not okay.
@@eyeccantseeyouu My comment is about discussing "fictional" topics and characters, not real-world topics and people. That's a whole different discussion.
I like how this shows up right after I was arguing with a bunch of kids about kirby being stronger than sonic I still don't agree with insulting people for it tho
Huh, I always was under the impression the Kirby fanbase was one of the chillest. Sucks that these things can happen. On another note, I was wondering, do big Kirby fans get annoyed when people make those "HUR HUR KIRBY IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC AND AN ELDRICH ABOMINATION" jokes over and over or do they not care?
@@ITzaMii_ That was mostly people making fun of the theory at least, and it eventually died. This one Kirby joke sadly happens almost every time the series is mentioned.
I got into kirby lore as a kid teen,cause I didn't understand shit in dreamland 2 3 and 64, didn't even have internet and I wrote what I thought it was correct. I told my friends and we talked about it, and recently (around 5 years ago) they started playing and told me how right I was. I've always been one of those lore enthusiasts that only says something is true if it happens on screen or has the effect onscreen, tho. Anything else is just speculation, and it's fun to bet what it'll be with only the info te games give you and connecting the dots. If someone theorised something outside of that onscreen lore I would just ask them questions to see if I missed something or maybe just know why did they thing that, that opens conversation actually. So you could say my friends played kirby games, and my walls of text made em interested in the lore, and for me was the way you explained I'm the video. Cause some stuff they said it couldn't be true and I was making it up, I showed the pause screen of some of the bosses and since then they are the same as me, that's how it started. I infected them lol.
Lmao when I was just first seriously getting into Kirby I didn’t even know what meta knight looked like, or what magolor’s ship was called (KRtDR was my first game, but I had played it several years before)
Also I don't even think the user was trying to say Susie was a robot in the way that we see it. Susie isn't a robot clone but I think we can agree that her and Haltmann's SPECIES are definitely robots of some sort or something similar to robots. Not human basically
Arguing how Kirby is stronger than Goku(which he is, let’s be honest) is one thing. Blowing up on someone for not getting a specific spot of lore on-point is just unacceptable.
@@zigzoinks5493 Do you mean if Kirby of the Stars lore is serious or if it isn't anything special compared to other series? If you referred to the lore being serious, of course it is. The stories are very intriguing and they cover serious themes. If you referred to it being nothing special compared to other series, Kirby of the Stars is obviously not the only series to have deep and/or interesting stories. Many series have information much more complicated than Kirby of the Stars.
i dont know the matpat situation but it honestly wouldn't come to a surprise that it was wrong, matpat no longer makes interesting videos with actual research, nowadays its only clickbait with pointless skits throught the video that only aim to inflate the view time for ad revenue
The kirby fanbase is usually wholesome, but there are some times like this where people are very serious about it. I joke about how complex the kirby lore is to my friends who honestly don't care at all about it and would rather me shut my mouth because all they know about kirby is that he's a cute little pink puff ball and that's awesome
It is great how he matches what he says with Kirby gameplay that demonstrates that fact. It is also a strength of the Kirby series that they can have wildly differing gameplay and cutscenes and still be beloved.
Yeah. While I disagreed on a lot of things, I could still understand it was his take on how he saw Kirby lore. Sure he might've gotten some things wrong but Kirby lore isn't exactly clear cut. Plus his second video did sound intriguing.
People seem to think lore is gospel. Maybe sometimes Kirby stuff happens because it... happens. You don’t need to think too hard about Kirby to enjoy the games.
I guess I'm fortunate that 99.9% of my experiences within the Kirby fandom are overwhelmingly positive since I joined in 2015. I had no idea there were some of us who acted like this. So sad to hear. Very well said Meteorz. As for my POV on lore, it's fun to learn it, discover it, and share it, but it should always be done without putting others down. I've personally never had the pleasure of discussing Kirby lore, as none of my friends are Kirby fans, but I can promise that if I do get that chance, no way in hell will I act the way these people did.
I mean, Susie has a visor under her hair, it's easy to think she could be a robot because otherwise, how can anyone put visor under his hair? Unless his hair is a wig? Oh... now I imagine bold Susie.
There is no reason to involve yourself in fandoms. Certainly, the advantages of fandoms are there, significant and can work for the better. It is a neat way to know people with similar interests and maybe different opinions if you are lucky, and they can enhance enjoyment of a work. However, the catch is that you do have to have the same opinions, or behave the same way. Certainly, what I will say next is the fandoms at their worst and not indicative of these fandoms as a whole, but the fact that they went this low means so much. Thus JoJo fans are known as memers who look for any place to insert a JoJo reference, Undertale fans are people who push one way to play the game, Sonic fans have 33! groups over which games count as good Sonic games, Star Wars fans have 8! groups over which games count as good Star Wars movies, Steven Universe fans are people who push their interpretation of diversity and inclusivity, Homestuck fans literally changed the rules of how conventions are run because of a 2012 incident, Paper Mario has two subfandoms that will only die when Paper Mario dies, etc. This only counts fandoms where there is no heavy interplay between fandom and creators. If that is counted then fandom behavior is much worse, barring situations where the creators really were at fault. This is why you should enjoy what you like how you like it and never bother with a fandom barring a good experience by happenstance.
The point is, barring small (like < 150 people communities) fandoms, you are guaranteed to find the person that goes that far and all fandoms condone it either because of rage, inertia, too large a size to properly regulate or the work itself has questionable themes in the first place.
you forgot something planet shiverstar is supposed to be earth but something terrible happened on the planet which is probably why we see adeleine as the only human
I watch Alpharad, and in his Pokemon Mystery Dungeon DX playthrough on his 2nd channel, he gives a hot take that *the Kirby fanbase is the Most Likely to Correct you*
I love how the lesson people take from it is "this specific instance was wrong" and not "nothing good ever came out of social media, leave it & never turn back" It's just that simple
To be fair, I highly doubt EVERYONE who corrected them were jerks about it. There's a big difference between bullying people and saying "actually no, Susie is not a robot." Some people just take it too far. I wonder how much of that was a vocal minority...
4:27 well, I think that game shows that Kirby isn't perfect either. Which is nice, you know? We all have our off days, and squeak squad was Kirby's off day, more or less.
This is completely unrelated to the video, but I just realized meteorz changed his "about" page to say "It's me meteorz, one of the four heroes of lore!"
He does have a point. Because of the portrait for Meta Knight in brawl on the character select screen, I thought it was a zoom in of a big mech. Selecting him and seeing him as a puffball surprised me.
yeah i didnt know about pause screen descriptions until i accidently stumbled across them in my first kirby game star allies some people take lore way too seriously return to dreamland pause screens confused when i first fought whispy woods i was thinking i wonder why theres no description then i only thought the final boss had one but no some bosses had them.
1:49 Matpat never made a part 2? I thought he did. Never watched, I just remember the thumbnail and title, the same with the first one, just a part 2 in it. I thought that was case until I tried to look it up, only to find part 1, never part 2. Did anyone else thought he released a part 2?
I started in the fan base at Planet Robobot and I’m ready for more lore! Also Cannon lore: Kirby can’t speak anything but Poyo and hi Kirby is not Evil Susie is not a Robot or a Clone DDD wasn’t under dark matters control in Dreamland 1 Void Termina is not another Kirby Who stole Kirby’s cake again?
I am also guilty of this. While I have mellowed out over time and will try to be as respectful and understanding of people as I can (not only when it comes to Kirby) but I will not pretend the past of me being...overly passionate about Kirby doesn't exist. I think the more lore heavy people like myself need to realize that some people just play Kirby to go on a fun adventure with the marshmellow and don't really want to take a deep dive into the lore and if they do and say something you disagree it's better to have a civil conversation about details of the lore than you two just typing out yelling at each other. This doesn't have to be serious all the time. It's fine to just talk and be friendly. That's what Kirby would do of course :)
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Can't blame them for thinking Suzie or Haltman is a a robot tho when we're talking about a game called "Planet Robobot"
Robots in a robot game. How absurd.
Her low-ish quality-esque voice doesn't help either.
WHAT, SHE IS NOT A ROBOT, MY LIFE WAS A ENTIRE LIE.
@@pedrohenriquemonteirodacos3224 me to man me to
Plus, while technically she's a cyborg, it's honestly a little pedantic and what she is technically called now is not important to her true nature in the first place
Kirby lore: Fun to talk about
Just like the games
Facts
I used to believe Spongebob, *Robert* the *Sponge*, was cheese and a girl when I was a kid...
I'm just happy my older sisters told me nicely instead of laughing at me because of a simple mistake.
If anyone wants to teach people something, they should do it in a way that makes people want to listen to them in the first place.
It's really not that hard to do or it shouldn't be. If someone is uneducated and shows interest in learning, teach them with respect and not like they're lesser than.
I mean, if someone stole my cake, I would definitely kick the Lord of the Underworld's shins off too.
But how could you forget how this wasn't just ANY cake, it was a strawberry shortcake!?!? I'd probably kick the a** of a god if someone stole a strawberry shortcake from me! (Possibly, I haven't tried strawberry shortcake yet.)
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb you should it’s good
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb oh yeah it is delicious
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb IF IT WAS A FARAWAYKINNIE CHOCOLATE CAKE (LITTERALY ANY FORM OF CAKE, IN FACT) I WOULD ALSO FIGHT GOD OF THE UNDERWORLD ITSELF TOO!
So yeah, I agree. Prince ig
I gotta love how the footage on screen has some sort of relevancy to what you're saying instead of it being gameplay of a particular game and stage.
It's a detail I picked up from a few of his videos. Very nice touch
@@castform7 Me too. I like it.
Aggressive fans is an issue that's better addressed sooner than later.
Luckily with the Kirby community it hasn't yet been quite as bad as with other fandoms, but it's bound to get worse from here if nobody does anything about it.
Nothing can be done with it, just like nothing could be done for those other fanbases.
There's nothing easier to rile up than a mob of people and that's been the case since the dawn of mankind, long before the internet. Individuals can improve & learn, but there'll always be more idiots to cause trouble, especially on social media
It's kinda scary how far in and serious people can take this. Kirby lore is fascinating but people need to remember to just be nice to others when they get things wrong or you disagree. It's not like everything is clear cut about this franchise. I still get confused from time to time. Let's all just remember what Kirby's about. Friendship, kindness and most importantly eating.
Kirby: supporting america's obesity epidemic since 1992.
Yo mean, it’s Kirby, it fills me with joy, and I have had LITTLE to no issue wit the fanbase, and it seems that everyone is really chill. It’s just fun, and the LORE should just be fun like the rest of the series. Wild to even imagine people going crazy, but eh, every fanbase is bound to have some bad apples at one point or another
Well, at least the fan base does have that going for it. I remember Meteorz once stated in a QnA that he feels that the Kirby community is a heck of a lot calmer than other community's. Honesty, I agree.
>Go on Twitter
>Have bad experience
Typical.
Same, but meteorz is still a really good Apple
@@shroomer8294 yep
Lets be honest, we all thought Susie was a robot at some point
Honestly I didn’t care I was just playing a game that I liked and didn’t even know lore was a thing. Until I saw meteorz and he is a pretty good content creator.
I thought she was a robot too. It wasn't till Meta Knightmare Returns where I paused to do something where I saw truth and decided to look into it.
Yup. I had to google to check.
I didn't, I just assumed she was the same species as Haltmann which isn't a robot
Not me!... Mainly because I didn't know Susie was a character until I saw the Kirby Canon series.
Man, knowing that fans would go lengths to insult someone about their beliefs in the franchise is not new.
But when you consider the fact that it's KIRBY fans, then it blows you away, because it happened to me
I'm happy to say it hasn't happened to me but now I'll feel sorry for anyone who has to be on the recieving end of that mallarcy.
It happened to you? Well I hope your doing ok.
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb Yeah it hurt.....
@@mypaldracunyan1223 don't worry too much, a block and a goodbye. Ignore people like that. If we continue drama or add to it it's worse. Let them be and don't talk to someone that crossed the line that is being passionate. Insulting is never the way of convincing someone
The moment I saw "Meteorz Storms" in title, not only did I feel a little happy because I sort of missed this serious, but I knew exactly what this was going to be about.
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Just reminds me when Vinny was playing through Planet Robobot and people got all upset he wasn’t pausing for every boss and didn’t immediately recognize an old character that reappears later
@Sean Tong I think that's the point. Only the people who care about the lore will read it, and the people who don't care can easily ignore it and not get bombarded with cutscenes and text explaining the story to them.
As a fellow Kirby lore enthusiast, I agree entirely. This absolutely needed to be said, even if it will have little effect...
You know it's funny how the kirby subreddit is the chillest place in the community, when in most communities (cough cough paper mario cough cough) it's the opposite
I bet that before 2007, r/papermario was also a happening place to be. I would say 2012 but the Super Paper Mario outrage was big at that time.
The best thing about Sticker Star is that it highlights the difference between a game that took a different direction to deliver on its core storytelling premises and a bad game that uses the former to justify its bad design patterns.
@@iantaakalla8180 well if at the slightest deviance (good or bad is irrelevant) they immidiately turn into elitists I dunno
I doubt it was immediate because I don’t know the history of the fandom circa 2007, but I know there was a hatred of Super Paper Mario until Sticker Star.
Granted, it’s because Sticker Star is irredeemably bad by many that people realized Super Paper Mario’s unique setting and story, and that it maintained the “Paper Mario charm” while Sticker Star has nothing to grab onto except visuals, Thing hunting, and the music. They barely even compensate.
But I doubt the hatred was so absolute or that built up for Super Paper Mario; 2/3rds of the games were “good”.
The instantaneous hate came from Sticker Star and any game that follows its footsteps - there are two clear eras of Paper Mario and you can see what Sticker Star-led games lack very easily.
@@iantaakalla8180 who gives a damn about "that game is good and that game is bad" the toxicity that comes from that is why the paper mario community is impossible to live with, because they don't want to let people like games that they don't, it sickens me
While it does dissapoint me when some people still don't understand some aspects of Kirby story or lore, i find it better to explain it in a fun and interesting way than to harass someone over their knowledge
Like guys, we want these people to be interested in Kirby, not hate it lmao
May everyone who read this have a good day
I only thought Susie was half-robot and half-NOT a robot for a couple years until now.
@Emils Slime yes they do
No one harass this person please
@@SageisNice boi
@@keithflippers4429 Sure
I just like the lore because it clashes with the simple, cutesy nature entirely.
But it’s not that serious that you have to bash others for believing in something you down. Especially considering said lore is extremely vague
That being said, I’ve had an opposite reaction in a discord group however where people talked down to me for believing Kirby lore entirely and said the only story was King Dedede being evil
Didn’t know it was cruddy on both ends
Yeah I mean it's hard to piece together a lot of things in Kirby lore because of it's vagueness. People shouldn't bash others for not knowing or disagreeing on such vague lore.
Oh geez, triple D wasn't even the villain since the first game... and kirby star allies, technically.
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb I mean I don't think we should count possessions as technicalities. Cause in that case Dedede has technically been a villain WAY more times.
I feel like the biggest issue that is related to this is when people try to come up to your face a preach about how the cute, pink, Kirby game has the scary eyeball that bleeds!!!!! Woahhh!!! It’s deeeeeeeepppp!
They all have this notion that they *must* tell you that Kirby has this dark lore and is complex because it’s Kirby.
It just gets old after hearing someone explain the same thing again and again trying to show that the funny game has the connected lore.
I can see that.
Yeah, it's just people trying to justify liking this series made for kids by constantly shoving in one's face how Dark! and Messed Up! the villains are or whatever
People *don't* need childish excuses to like this series, I'm sad people still do that to this day
Funny you mention that, I had another video on that same topic (Maybe you saw it =P) "Admit it, Kirby is a Kid's game"
It's so annoying and dumb. Why do people have to bring up the "deep Kirby lore" every single time and shove it down your throat. It does feel like an excuse because I'm pretty sure most people who bought a Kirby game just bought for the cute pink blob and his friendly world. It's perfectly fine to like it's much more...interesting bits but don't go parading around saying it's this ultra deep franchise because people will have to dig for it. It's a cute kids game with some cool lore. Don't hide from it embrace it.
For something more reserved for the end of the game it feels like the first damn thing people talk about. Why can't it sometimes just be a simple game anyone can play.
I was missing this series. And no, Kirby's lore IS serious. They should teach it at school and school would finally teach something I'll use (I'm sure people won't take this as a joke so... Yeah, I'm joking)
I would ask "who in the world would take this seriously?" but honestly, I wouldn't be suprised.
@@castform7 yeah... There's a lot of stupid people out there so I had to be sure they wouldn't bother me
*kirby lore is now a religion*
@@EvanLandry always has been
I can now say that I am religious
I can't tell you *HOW MANY PEOPLE* will choke someone on Twitter for not placeing Kirby in god their on their smash teir list, it's ridiculous.
Well to be fair lots of people on twitter are assholes regardless of the subject.
It doesn't make sense to desire to kill someone who doesn't place Kirby like he's Brawl Meta Knight on a tier list for a silly toy fighting game, which is why those people shouldn't be desiring such, not just because it would be murder, but because it is the worst possible reason to murder someone. On the topic of silly toy fighting game tier list-related issues, it's dumb to blame a character's placement on said tier list for your own lack of skill. People who move up to a higher-skill area and still spam dair on Kirby, then drop the character because someone who is better at the character they play than they are at Kirby defeated them, and said character just so happened to have any advantage at all against a Kirby player with skill level similar to said victor's, for example.
We’re truly living in the darkest timeline if even the Kirby fandom has some toxic bad eggs.
I’m assuming the pun is intended
What, that "mario sunshine stage" that's happening outside now, or the twitter account being left behind?
The kirby fandom has always had toxic bad people in it. Every fanbase does
@@Slipperyslab Yeah, but Kirby's fambase used to have a better reputation than most... Our fall from grace is tragic
@@Slipperyslab not just fanbases, this applies to literally every group of humans ever
...Yikes, these people need to chill. I partially get why Matpat was targeted since his theories are already controversial, but the Susie person being harassed so much they had to close both their accounts, over something that was probably a first impression? That is messed up, especially coming from Kirby fans.
Definitely. They could've been going soley off design. Not everyone needs to know everything about the inticassies of a franchise and harassing them for it is flat out disgusting.
matpat also has trash theories that ignore that parts of the lore that contradict his theory
matpat deserved the hatred for making trash theories that can be easily debunked
@@LTDLetsPlays I dunno dude. When he cancels an actual video over the amount of hate one gets, you have to question if he “actually” deserved it.
@@LTDLetsPlays wtf,
@@LTDLetsPlays deserving the hate does not mean deserving the harrassment. Overdoing it just makes everyone involved miserable.
I was there when the whole discourse happened, I'm seriously disgusted by what some people can do.
I got to see many people that followed me or that I engaged in... directly chase the owner of that account for the sake of proving he was "wrong", ignoring any humane ways of communicating with outsiders of the fandom.
And for what, to berate them? To gatekeep potential new fans out of the fandom? Disgusting.
I blocked those harassers on the spot for that reason.
Thank you for this video, Meteorz. This is a message this fandom desperately needs to hear.
Uninformed people are still people, acting like an entitled jerk to prove how wrong they are makes you a terrible person.
This fandom needs to become more tolerant to outsiders.
TL:DR:
If your harass people for not knowing something only a fan would know, you are NOT being a hero, you're just looking for an excuse to attack innocent people.
Be tolerant.
Kirby lore stans do act like Kirby and its lore
Cute on the outside, dark and horrifying on the inside
Or a black hole on the inside if he eats a hypernova! Kinda...
*Miracle fruit*
More like everyone that doesn't know lore acts that way cause it's a meme and just base it on the appearance of some bosses
Honestly Meteorz, I can't thank you enough for addressing this. As a longtime Kirby fan, I can get quite annoyed sometimes when it comes to people getting some things in the series incorrect (i.e. calling King Dedede the series antagonist a la Bowser and believing KRBaY to be canon), but I always try my best to be civil and point them towards the correct information without causing a ruckus. And sure, I can atleast understand the MatPat situation as he's quite notorious for making somewhat clickbaity videos that get a whole bunch of stuff incorrect (i.e. Mario Is Mental and Sans Is Ness), but I REALLY don't understand why some people decided to harass a gimmick account on Twitter just because they thought Susie was a robot. By the way, this is coming from someone who originally thought that Susie was atleast part robot prior to when I actually decided to play Planet Robobot. Plus, haven't those people considered that there are some out there who headcanon Susie to be robotic in some way even if it's not canon?
Regardless, I sincerely hope that those people can learn from their mistakes and try to be more respectful to others, because I really don't want the Kirby fanbase to go from being one of the more chill fanbases out there to something that's almost as toxic as, say, the Paper Mario fandom. If we all truly are Kirby fans, then like you said at the end of this video, we should follow Kirby's example and be friendly towards those who don't know the full story when it comes to some aspects of Kirby lore; who knows, in a way those people could end up becoming Dream Friends...
Once again, thanks for addressing this situation.
yeah the lore-enforcers have seriously been a serious issue for a long time. reminds me of the fact that an LPer playing through kirby games and not p a u s i n g f o r l o r e is a sin comparable to killing toriel in your first undertale playthrough. it's a mess, and i hope you don't feel responsible just because you made videos on it and made jokes about it. it really shouldn't be taken that seriously, it's something the people behind the games enjoy giving... in their own, obtuse ways... and we in the community enjoy consuming if we are indeed able to decode it.
although we're humans. we're good at ruining things.
Ugh, of all the toxic elements of fanbases out there, Undertale is in my opinion the worst.
"YOU NEED TO PLAY THIS GAME BLIND!!!"
**somebody plays the game blind, and of course kills enemies in battles because that's what anyone and everyone would and did do on their first playthrough**
"WTF YOU'RE PLAYING THE GAME WRONG RAGE RAGE RAGE!!!"
Make up your mind!
True.
Wouldn't you like more people to pause the game tho? People outside the lore enthusiasts part or fan ASE act like kirby is a kids game without depth that doesn't even deserve a chance to be played if there's a new mario port from a 13 years old game.
I would want people to see appreciate kirby more, not just wow how cute teehee I love kirby that green greens theme in smash is awesome. Not that there's anything wrong with those people, they are enjoying in their own way, but if someone actually plays something online for tons of people, are you just gonna watch em play without even asking for them to show you the full experience?
@@AsecasJavi in essence kirby is still a series that's marketed as a "kids game". the lore seems to be intentionally tucked away for people who casually enjoy the game to not even notice. most of the deep themes not being there if you don't read them means that it appeals to both people who just enjoy the gameplay (and you know... kids) and those who are so invested in the lore they play a game to see what kind of ludicrous info is stuck in the pause screens of the end boss.
you can obviously still ask to do it but don't treat it like the streamers are robbing their viewers of the full experience if they don't, it's not meant to be mandatory to enjoy the game or to convince others to do so.
@@SereKabii Agree on everything you say, just saying that you aren't showing the full game.
Of course it's not meant to be mandatory, but it's what it makes the games so much more than just good or great games.
Sometimes feels people underrate kirby and belittle the franchise talking like he's just cute or merchandise.
The main offender being the series representation in smash. Zelda, earthbound and kirby are surprisingly poorly represented in a surface level way, making it seem like they are barebones games. Zelda is a strong series so they don't have to bother, but kirby and earthbound... to put it lightly only fans of the series know how bad it is.
I just want those aspects to be represented in more media, or at least to be known. Of course you don't have to be rude, and you don't have to ask, but as a fan... Would'nt you want for people to really enjoy a game at its fullest? Some of them even complain about difficulty or being super dry story modes without depth, when they don't even play any mode after story mode or read the story...
Kirby Right Back at Ya is where I got interested in the lore of both the show & the games... Although you really couldn’t bother me to stop fighting the boss for a moment just to read some lore. I’ve usually been accustomed to having games show enough interest in it’s story to tell me about it somewhere along the journey.
I agree.
Kirby Lore: Its fun to talk about, lovely to discuss with others about, but let's respect those who don't know the full story, and be nice to all non-Kirby fans. Let's be friends, and throw lots of friend hearts!
Good on you for owning up and calling out bullshit. MattPatt has a habit of clickbaitey innaccurate videos, so it was at least a bit understandable, but harassing a small twitter account is way worse.
Thank you so much for addressing this. Not everything we might find obvious is so obvious for everyone else. But what SHOULD be obvious is to be civil and treat people with respect without being an elitist.
I'm glad you also admitted your faults as well. And I hope you as well as other fans can learn and better yourselves for a brighter future.:)
Yeah, what people did there was if I went to Alaska, asking for a warmer environment, and everyone at Alaska harassed me for it!
Also, being an Alaskan native, I kinda felt a bit... weird to write.
I’m glad even though he screwed up, he didn’t just “oh I’m sorry” and guilt trip his audience for PR like any other apology video. He made it a PSA and made a small montage of his wrongings, before ranting about why he himself was wrong. That was a legitimate video and he did a good job. I don’t care if this is necroposting, this is one of the best apology vids on the platform.
Man, when I found out about the recent twitter situation with Susie I couldn't even believe it. I hope now more people can learn the lesson...
What happened on Twitter. I don’t use it cause I know it’s toxic alright but I’m curious this time
@@Murr248 | I mean, the video explains it all.
Nerd Kirby... I mean, you do seem qualified.
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb | Wait, qualified for what?
Hoo boy, this video...
When I initially read through the script on this video, I was rather... direct when I shared what I had thought on it. For the record, I was in approval of this video being made (I say that but really it should be the content creator's own choice to upload what they want, but Meteor was still willing to listen to what others thought beforehand until he came to a decision himself) if only because it should be stated that as a much of a Kirby fan that I am... the lore is definitely what I feel like is the one thing that practically tears this fandom apart sometimes. Believe me, as someone who isn't fully aware of the lore of other video game franchises out there that I haven't experienced yet but am willing to go through and understand what they have to offer (Puyo Puyo would be a good example of that), it genuinely feels disheartening hearing someone harass me if only because I would mess up with a single mistake that would warrant many people coming after me for simply failing to comprehend the full character of just one simple character within said franchise. Really, it just needs to be said that at the end of the day, Kirby isn't exactly a flawless series (believe me, if the way they handle storytelling within the games through pause screen text is the best they can possibly do, then they could strive to do SO much better in relaying that info without just needlessly hiding it away somewhere where people wouldn't even bother looking in the first place unless clear evidence of it is revealed via Internet), and the fact that many seem to think it generally lacks flaws only makes me want to assume that their tastes are very... peculiar with how HAL handles the franchise as a whole. To reiterate, I'm not saying that Kirby is a bad franchise... far from it. It's that often you have so many people talk about the overall positives so much so that it's hard to talk about the negatives about it unless you're "itching to stir trouble", as it were.
I mean, if you really had to ask me what I think of the fandom as a whole, it at least feels more tame than the likes of others out there, but at the same time, it's not like it's without a fair share of its own problems... and this video here I think gets the point clear of how the fandom reacts to situations of people not grasping the full context of the lore within it. There may be other several problems out there I'm unaware of, but still, we can't just act belligerent towards those who aren't fully enlightened on the truth behind the characters they look at.
This might be late but I just wanted to say I agree with you. The Kirby series is far from bad and so is the fandom but it's also not perfect.
The games could do much better at telling their stories as plopping it in pause text isn't very useful for trying to tell a story. People pause to grab a snack or use the washroom. Not look into important pieces of information of a story they could've done better in the actual game. For example, y'know how Suzie has a bit of text before a few boss fights? Well why don't we put in little tid bits of how she disappeared and survived instead of waiting for the game to be finished then pause in battles within extra modes.
The fanbase isn't much better. You could literally talk about anything Kirby related with another fan and have a good time...except the lore. Mess up one thing and you'll get a tirade of people arguing against you and maybe one anothers conflicting opinions. And they act like the was given to us clear cut in the first place when no it almost never is and it get's confusing. Back to Susie, whether she was any part robot or her survival were up in the air for Miiverse to solve. We needed to go to a external source of media to get important details we should have recieved in game. The story may have been good but it was told not so gracefully. So if someones confused, that's understandable. If I didn't know anything about Kirby or it's lore and I thought Susie was a robot, I'd be wrong but I'd like someone to clear that up respectfully and not chew at me for not knowing something I didn't pause for cause that's the epitome of story telling.
And it's like if I say anything I remotely bad about a game or the series, I'm burned at the stake. This is my favourite series but of course it has flaws. You can respectfully disaggree but to tell me not to criticize something just cause the series has a consistent track record is flat out false. Sorry for the giant comment just wanted to point out speciafically where and how I agree.
My personal headcanon is that Susie and Haltmann are a little bit robotic (which explain the digital voices) but aren’t copies.
...Yeah, as someone who is in A LOT of fanbases that theorize about lore, all of them often do this things and that's just sad.
Even if I didn't fully agree with MatPat's theory, I wish there was a part two, since it seemed like a very interesting story...
Tbf I think a reason people disliked that one was because GT fans will accept it as fact and it becomes annoying. That happened with the “Evil Mario” Theory
@@Murr248 Yeah, and even worse is that if you agree with MatPat, people will also say you are a part of these children that take his word as gospel...
@@shyguymike That kinda just shows that people hate GT W a y too much. Like i get it, Matpat doesn’t make a slam dunk every time, but people really go overboard with him.
@@train4292 oh, definitely. They also seem to be unable to tell when he makes a 'conspiracy' type theory for fun that is not supposed to be correct...
@@train4292 I mean, he can get kinda snooty at times. After the Mario is evil theory, he just kept stating it was fact over and over.
After the Sans is Ness theory, he stated in another theory that he did not jump the gun and that “if you look closely, all the pieces come together”
Ok but like...
Anyone incorrect has to go face Dedede for their crimes
The title is a little misleading. I clicked on this thinking it was going to be about how Kirby's lore does not take itself seriously and it isn't as deep as everyone would like it to be.
Is this about that "Susie is an android" incident
See, I've been always bitching about how hidden the lore was. (I've always been of the belief pause screens and Miiverse are awful places to put lore in.) Everyone talked crap to me for talking crap about HAL's storytelling. And now it came to bite them in the ass because they got mad at people for not knowing something that's not fully apparent. What can I say, except "I warned you all".
Lookin' like Absol over here.
I think HAL has great story ideas but I do think it could be much better at telling you these things.
Remember, fellow Kirby fans - I doubt any of us played our first Kirby game knowing how deep the Kirby lore went. lol
3:35 haha when I started out being a kirby fan I thought kirby was ten small bois. Because I started off with mass attack.
It's serious, but not too serious.
We talking about a pink puffball who can eat stuff and gain power
Hey, one other thing: This video doesn’t just apply to Kirby. It applies to all fandoms.
You know who you are.
Well, hey. Look at the bright side. At least stuff like this doesn't happen all that much and people are normally incredibly calm about most things.
well... everyone makes mistakes.
Man thats nuts, I didnt think kirby had *that* kind of community... but apparently, some sectors do. We really need to be better than this. Its kirby, the wholesome boi, we shouldn't be doing this stuff.
Just remember that this is probably a very small part of the community.
The fandom makes the lore seem so much more complicated and serious than it actually is. It's just a game about a pink gumball and his friends protecting the universe
Oh my god your right.
Yeah seriously. It's fine to talk about it and have discussions but don't think people not knowing this sometimes quite vague lore or having disaggreeable or wrong points is this big deal.
Tiny gumball with ties to evil god thing kills other evil dark gods because his cake was stolen and he is now sad because he lost his means of stress eating. Also there's some guy who looks like squidward, some Clock with a cat's face tried to end life because reasons, and Dedede is the name you should know cuz he's the king of da show.
@@yetravellingsonc8372 He'll holler 'n hoot, he'll give kirby the boot.
@@yetravellingsonc8372 Dedede is the one.
I believe that every person should be treated with respect and fairness when discussing ANY part of a series whether it be characters, lore, or even trivial things like music and gameplay. No one should be bullied or harassed for not knowing something or for making a mistake. Not only does it make the individual look spiteful, petty, and mean for getting so worked up over a fictional story/character, but it also gives people a bad impression of what the rest of the community is like. It’s honestly depressing.
Yeah. It's fine to discuss topics you're both interested in and to be passionate about something even if it's fictional. The problem arises when your passion goes way over the line and you argue with and/or harass people over your opinion or way you see things. Not everyone is the same as you. They will have different takes or opinions or just don't care as much. The fact some people don't realize that is not okay.
Except racists and homophobes and hitler-
@@eyeccantseeyouu My comment is about discussing "fictional" topics and characters, not real-world topics and people. That's a whole different discussion.
@@darkkirb206 that was more of an ironic comment but yeah
I like how this shows up right after I was arguing with a bunch of kids about kirby being stronger than sonic
I still don't agree with insulting people for it tho
Honestly who *didn't* think Suzie was a robot when they first saw her?
Me!
Me
IKR
I am always respectful when correcting someone
I try to be too.
Whenever you feel like doing something bad think would Kirby be happy with this
I feel like this title is a bit bait. It should’ve gone straight to the point like “The problem with Kirby fans and lore”
What do you mean I shouldn't threath the lore of a hal/nintendo game like religion in a theocracy?
God I love twitter.
Don't we all do
@@LycheePuff yep. It really brings out the worst of people :)
Huh, I always was under the impression the Kirby fanbase was one of the chillest. Sucks that these things can happen.
On another note, I was wondering, do big Kirby fans get annoyed when people make those "HUR HUR KIRBY IS A GENOCIDAL MANIAC AND AN ELDRICH ABOMINATION" jokes over and over or do they not care?
It dose annoy me a little bit, but I don't insult them over it.
@@ITzaMii_ Fair enough, it is very repetitive and stopped being funny a long time ago.
@@matti.8465 Same with Sans is Ness.
@@ITzaMii_ That was mostly people making fun of the theory at least, and it eventually died. This one Kirby joke sadly happens almost every time the series is mentioned.
@@matti.8465 wait! the joke is dead?
I got into kirby lore as a kid teen,cause I didn't understand shit in dreamland 2 3 and 64, didn't even have internet and I wrote what I thought it was correct.
I told my friends and we talked about it, and recently (around 5 years ago) they started playing and told me how right I was.
I've always been one of those lore enthusiasts that only says something is true if it happens on screen or has the effect onscreen, tho. Anything else is just speculation, and it's fun to bet what it'll be with only the info te games give you and connecting the dots. If someone theorised something outside of that onscreen lore I would just ask them questions to see if I missed something or maybe just know why did they thing that, that opens conversation actually.
So you could say my friends played kirby games, and my walls of text made em interested in the lore, and for me was the way you explained I'm the video.
Cause some stuff they said it couldn't be true and I was making it up, I showed the pause screen of some of the bosses and since then they are the same as me, that's how it started. I infected them lol.
Underrated comment.
@@xabi7772 I just posted it. More than underrated it's yet to be rated lol
Lmao when I was just first seriously getting into Kirby I didn’t even know what meta knight looked like, or what magolor’s ship was called (KRtDR was my first game, but I had played it several years before)
My first kirby game was star allies, but I personally consider RTD the best in the series... Also, I can see what your talking about
Also I don't even think the user was trying to say Susie was a robot in the way that we see it.
Susie isn't a robot clone but I think we can agree that her and Haltmann's SPECIES are definitely robots of some sort or something similar to robots. Not human basically
came here thinking you were gonna say kirby isnt the darksouls of nintendo, only to find out that the community is the darksouls of fandoms
Arguing how Kirby is stronger than Goku(which he is, let’s be honest) is one thing.
Blowing up on someone for not getting a specific spot of lore on-point is just unacceptable.
Kirby lore _is_ serious but some people behave as though it's anything special compared to many other series.
Is it _really?_
@@zigzoinks5493 Do you mean if Kirby of the Stars lore is serious or if it isn't anything special compared to other series? If you referred to the lore being serious, of course it is. The stories are very intriguing and they cover serious themes. If you referred to it being nothing special compared to other series, Kirby of the Stars is obviously not the only series to have deep and/or interesting stories. Many series have information much more complicated than Kirby of the Stars.
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I guess the lore mirrors how people react to others...
That last quip is perfect. Everyone was a bunch of Squeak Squad Kirbies. Don't be a Squeak Squad Kirby.
Also I get the feeling from these comments that a lot of people aren't even watching the video. 😔
Every fandom always has that little *Wild side to them* and Kirby’s no exception
Yea, sometimes, we can be passionate about the lore of our favorite series but that passion can lead to dark outcomes when unchecked.
i dont know the matpat situation but it honestly wouldn't come to a surprise that it was wrong, matpat no longer makes interesting videos with actual research, nowadays its only clickbait with pointless skits throught the video that only aim to inflate the view time for ad revenue
The kirby fanbase is usually wholesome, but there are some times like this where people are very serious about it. I joke about how complex the kirby lore is to my friends who honestly don't care at all about it and would rather me shut my mouth because all they know about kirby is that he's a cute little pink puff ball and that's awesome
I came into this video thinking it was going to be about specificly kirby lore, but this really can apply to any franchise.
The background footage in this video is genius.
It is great how he matches what he says with Kirby gameplay that demonstrates that fact.
It is also a strength of the Kirby series that they can have wildly differing gameplay and cutscenes and still be beloved.
I was really disappointed that Matpat canceled the second part of his theory, it would've been interesting to see his take on Kirby lore.
Yeah. While I disagreed on a lot of things, I could still understand it was his take on how he saw Kirby lore. Sure he might've gotten some things wrong but Kirby lore isn't exactly clear cut. Plus his second video did sound intriguing.
@Kirboyo / StarryE's You disagree that he wanted to see mat's take on Kirby lore?
what are you talking about bro? what are you disagreeing on?
People seem to think lore is gospel. Maybe sometimes Kirby stuff happens because it... happens. You don’t need to think too hard about Kirby to enjoy the games.
Exactly what needs to be said
I guess I'm fortunate that 99.9% of my experiences within the Kirby fandom are overwhelmingly positive since I joined in 2015. I had no idea there were some of us who acted like this. So sad to hear. Very well said Meteorz. As for my POV on lore, it's fun to learn it, discover it, and share it, but it should always be done without putting others down. I've personally never had the pleasure of discussing Kirby lore, as none of my friends are Kirby fans, but I can promise that if I do get that chance, no way in hell will I act the way these people did.
You got lucky to find the correct subcommunities.
If I think about Kirby lore,I think it’s a bit deep especially in planet robobot because it has the most Deep lore in the series
2:05 lol when he was talking about “on a smaller scale” it was showing clip of Kirby becoming small
I mean, Susie has a visor under her hair, it's easy to think she could be a robot because otherwise, how can anyone put visor under his hair? Unless his hair is a wig?
Oh... now I imagine bold Susie.
This is why i dont try to involve my self in game communities that have heavy lore because some people go too far
There is no reason to involve yourself in fandoms. Certainly, the advantages of fandoms are there, significant and can work for the better. It is a neat way to know people with similar interests and maybe different opinions if you are lucky, and they can enhance enjoyment of a work.
However, the catch is that you do have to have the same opinions, or behave the same way. Certainly, what I will say next is the fandoms at their worst and not indicative of these fandoms as a whole, but the fact that they went this low means so much.
Thus JoJo fans are known as memers who look for any place to insert a JoJo reference, Undertale fans are people who push one way to play the game, Sonic fans have 33! groups over which games count as good Sonic games, Star Wars fans have 8! groups over which games count as good Star Wars movies, Steven Universe fans are people who push their interpretation of diversity and inclusivity, Homestuck fans literally changed the rules of how conventions are run because of a 2012 incident, Paper Mario has two subfandoms that will only die when Paper Mario dies, etc.
This only counts fandoms where there is no heavy interplay between fandom and creators. If that is counted then fandom behavior is much worse, barring situations where the creators really were at fault.
This is why you should enjoy what you like how you like it and never bother with a fandom barring a good experience by happenstance.
The point is, barring small (like < 150 people communities) fandoms, you are guaranteed to find the person that goes that far and all fandoms condone it either because of rage, inertia, too large a size to properly regulate or the work itself has questionable themes in the first place.
THE INTRO 🤯
you forgot something planet shiverstar is supposed to be earth but something terrible happened on the planet
which is probably why we see adeleine as the only human
I watch Alpharad, and in his Pokemon Mystery Dungeon DX
playthrough on his 2nd channel, he gives a hot take that
*the Kirby fanbase is the Most Likely to Correct you*
I love how the lesson people take from it is "this specific instance was wrong" and not "nothing good ever came out of social media, leave it & never turn back"
It's just that simple
To be fair, I highly doubt EVERYONE who corrected them were jerks about it. There's a big difference between bullying people and saying "actually no, Susie is not a robot."
Some people just take it too far. I wonder how much of that was a vocal minority...
The hollow knight community did the same thing in the matpat situation and are still proud of it lmao.
4:27 well, I think that game shows that Kirby isn't perfect either. Which is nice, you know?
We all have our off days, and squeak squad was Kirby's off day, more or less.
Matpat has had a lot of lore issues with his theorys. He often doesn't do enough research
I never felt offended by your videos and I LOVE your videos
This is a twitter moment
This is completely unrelated to the video, but I just realized meteorz changed his "about" page to say "It's me meteorz, one of the four heroes of lore!"
Kirby lore's not serious?!
*SURLEY U JESTIN'!*
He does have a point. Because of the portrait for Meta Knight in brawl on the character select screen, I thought it was a zoom in of a big mech. Selecting him and seeing him as a puffball surprised me.
yeah i didnt know about pause screen descriptions until i accidently stumbled across them in my first kirby game star allies some people take lore way too seriously return to dreamland pause screens confused when i first fought whispy woods i was thinking i wonder why theres no description then i only thought the final boss had one but no some bosses had them.
1:49 Matpat never made a part 2? I thought he did. Never watched, I just remember the thumbnail and title, the same with the first one, just a part 2 in it. I thought that was case until I tried to look it up, only to find part 1, never part 2. Did anyone else thought he released a part 2?
This honestly doesn’t just go with the Kirby series, but with literally any fandom! Great video.
I must figure out the backstory of the funny pink ball
He flew into dreamland on a spring breeze one day, presumably on a warp star... and that's it. Possibly the most simple story in the franchise.
@@SGT.Sroom-ji1pb Unless you take into account the... _interesting_ implications Star Allies gives us, but that'd be a spoiler if I say anything more.
another reason why I feel bad for mat pat... im gonna have a whole list at this point lol
4:23 if you say so, time to go kill a dark god and then eat cake
I started in the fan base at Planet Robobot and I’m ready for more lore!
Also Cannon lore:
Kirby can’t speak anything but Poyo and hi
Kirby is not Evil
Susie is not a Robot or a Clone
DDD wasn’t under dark matters control in Dreamland 1
Void Termina is not another Kirby
Who stole Kirby’s cake again?
I love this series! Sometimes, you need some negatives at times.
In what regard...?
People need to be serious sometimes, and explain it of how their bother of an topic or just rant about an idea back in their heads.
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That depends if the negatives are constructive, though.
@@zigzoinks5493 True.
I am also guilty of this. While I have mellowed out over time and will try to be as respectful and understanding of people as I can (not only when it comes to Kirby) but I will not pretend the past of me being...overly passionate about Kirby doesn't exist. I think the more lore heavy people like myself need to realize that some people just play Kirby to go on a fun adventure with the marshmellow and don't really want to take a deep dive into the lore and if they do and say something you disagree it's better to have a civil conversation about details of the lore than you two just typing out yelling at each other. This doesn't have to be serious all the time. It's fine to just talk and be friendly. That's what Kirby would do of course :)
1:11 I love how you used Haltmann ranting as you are portraying the fanbase as him lol
Run, hide from it, the toxic part of a Fandom always arrive, or better said, It has arrived.
How can you escape the toxic part of a fandom WHEN IT IS ALREADY THERE? (Homestuck reference)