I have one to add. Don't ever play your Urza's Saga if someone has a Blood Moon effect in play; what happens is Urza's Saga becomes a Mountain, but retains its Saga type, which means it is forcefully sacrificed due to it being at its new maximum lore count of 0.
We had something similar pop up the other night when I was playing my Arixmethes deck that also runs Dark Depths and one of my friends already had a Blood Moon on the field before I got DD and Arixmethes on the field. It was kind of fun pausing the game to figure out what happens in those cases.
But it is not the end of the confusion. I have a Mogis, god of slaughter deck, and if I have a Mogis in play and a Havoc Festival... I get to choose the order, because, they are upkeep triggers.
@@clausfussel2932The main difference is that Havoc Festival and Mogis are both triggered abilities, whereas effects like Torbran or Fiery Emancipation are both replacement effects. The former go on the stack and their order is chosen by their controller, while the latter don’t use the stack and are ordered by the affected player
Interaction I wish you had mentioned about Goad and Propaganda especially, is if an opponent A goads you and opponent B has Propaganda effect, you're not forced to attack them and pay for it, even if you had enough open mana.
They get to choose a player other than you to attack, then they get to choose whether or not to pay for propaganda, then if they choose not to pay, the creature fails to attack and so is not tapped or anything
@@tortle1055pretty sure the creature has to attack as part of goad, the second part is that it has to attack a player other than the one that goaded it "if able". So if the player doesn't pay for propaganda and can't attack that opponent, their creature still has to attack and has no other targets but the player who goaded it, the creature doesn't get to not attack.
One interaction I always like to mention in case, is that auras only target when their on the stack (aka casting). So if it entered from anywhere else (ie. Exile from Brago, the Eternal King), "enchant 'object' " attaches it to something and you choose where it goes. Which means it gets around shroud and hexproof since you're choosing and not targeting. Also, YES, Pit of Offerings. I also reached my limit for my order or I would've bought more too.
Btw, there's a fun interaction if you legend rule Reyhan, Last of the Abzan. Because it moves counters when it or another creature dies, they will all do so and you will get the moving counters trugger twice. If you legend rule multiple Reyhans at the same time, you can get a nuts amount of counters out of nowhere
My favorite one that throws people off all the time happens with my Raffine, Scheming Seer deck. I have Adeline in there and I layer the triggers so that Adeline creates the tokens before the Raffine connive trigger goes off. Most people think that Raffine checks the amount of creatures you had when you attacked but she doesn't until the trigger resolves so Adeline will make me connive for three more creatures that I swung out with. In pods that haven't seen the interaction before, I usually have to explain what's happening
I've messed with a similar idea in my Kamiz deck. Kamiz needs a target for the first half of the ability but the second half doesn't target so you can put things like Whispersilk Cloak(Shroud) or Swords of X&Y(Protection) on a creature and still give it double strike with Kamiz, it just needs to have power less than the first creature.
another interesting interaction in general is that you can "respond" to a split second spell with a morph potentially causing you to counter a split second spell. as morphing is not an activated ability but a state-based interaction. so if someone tries to krosan grip one of your artifacts you can morph a stratus dancer and counter it.
This came up in a friendly draft awhile ago. It wasn’t split second - can’t quite remember what it was, but effectively priority wasn’t in my favor - and I morphed a guy to bounce all of his stuff. I had to explain what happened and he was still confused. Thankfully everyone knows me in the group as “the rules guy” so he trusted me 😂
Turning a morph creature face up is a special action, not a "state-based interaction" (there is no such thing by that name). State-based actions are a thing, but they're actions that the game does automatically, like destroying a creature that's taken lethal damage; not game actions taken by players.
@@dennisbradford7216 it’s a special action that a player can take anytime that they have priority. State biased actions are dying due to having 0 life or a creature dying due to taking damage. State based actions are checked every time a player would gain priority and cannot be responded to.
It's sad that Library of Leng isn't played much. I run it in a small handful of decks and love having that turn one play. It's a slightly better Spellbook with a niche feel.
We also can’t talk about doubling season without mentioning sagas! When a saga ETB with doubling season out, it would get two counters (so first two chapters both trigger), but next turn you only add one, not two lore counters.
@@janmelantu7490oh, interesting! So even if you don't actually pay the cost for the Read Ahead ability, it'll still skip the first chapter if it gets additional counters as it ETBs?
@@KomradeKrisis1701 Yes basically. When your Read Ahead saga resolves, you pick which chapter to “start on” aka how many Lore Counters you put on it. If you say 1, doubling season says “cool, actually it’ll be 2” and you only get chapter 2 because you (actually Doubling Season) “skipped” chapter 1. If you picked “Chapter 2”, doubling season puts 4 lore counters on it initially, and then it does nothing and is immediately sacrificed (unless your read ahead saga has 4 chapters). Vorinclex is even worse, because he also doubles each time you put counters on sagas.
I have Reconnaissance in a commander cube of mine and I've literally shapied out the reminder text because I don't want players misunderstanding the card.
Crawlspace is similar to Propaganda in that it only limits the number of creatures attacking the player; their planeswalkers are still fair game. Also, any creature that enters the battlefield attacking (such as Myriad token copies) gets around cannot attack restrictions are they were created after the declare attackers step.
To add to the choose vs target part; when using an effect to put an aura into play or the battlefield you can select hexproof/shrouded creatures/players. An aura only targets when it is cast, so an effect like Light-Paws attaching an aura from your deck to it, goes around an existing shroud aspect on it.
Nethroi's Paradox: Nethroi has a very expensive and desirably Mutate ability. One would think that you should play a bunch of Mutate cards to repeatedly trigger Nethroi's Mutate ability for cheap. *BUT* when a card with Mutate is reanimated, it is returned to the battlefield as a separate creature. You don't get to Mutate with it again, meaning you have a bunch of creatures spread out, which is _exactly_ the opposite of what Mutate wants. Nethroi is a Mutate commander where you don't want to play other Mutate effects.
This is a great episode because a VERY common answer when someone asks a question about how a card/interaction works is, "just read the card and do exactly what it says."
I can't find the Rachel Weeks video you mentioned about the red damage ruling. Do you perhaps have a link or a title I can look up? EDit: 2 days later, I still don't get it and I wish I could find the video. I have scrolled through countless commandzone video's yet still can't find it. Can someone please provide a link or clarify some more because this rule is quite a doozy
Very interesting episode, thank you. I have another good one (that I also want to CHALLENGE THE STATS on): 20% of Pantlaza deck are currently running Curator of Sun's Creation, a card that doubles up a Discover-trigger once per turn. Unfortunately, this does not work with Pantlaza, because of Pantlaza's unique wording: Most limits on cards like these are worded "This ability triggers only once each turn", but Pantlaza explicitly forbids you from doing this Discovering more than once a turn ! That means that doubling up the Discover-trigger that Pantlaza provides does nothing.
I'd like to add one which is that if a player uses Teferi's Protection and I swing at them with a Questing Beast, the damage from Questing Beast can't be prevented.
I have a challenge the stats. It's running the land "spawning pool" in a Nethroi, Apex of Death deck. Nethroi has 5290 decks on edhrec, and a whopping 10 of them run spawning pool. It's a land that comes into play tapped, taps for a black mana, and also has an activated ability for 1 and a black "spawning pool becomes a 1/1 black skeleton creature with black: regenerate this creature into end of turn. It's still a land". I've run nethroi for years now, and i can't count how many times i had no creatures in play to mutate nethroi onto, and animating spawning pool for the body, that has a form of protection, has won me the game. Such a good utility land
Also the fact that the skeleton can protect itself by just tapping for the black to regenerate. I know regenerate isn't amazing, but it still does deal with alot of spot removal used these days
In my OG Ephara deck, one thing that came up was how she interacts with Torpor Orb. My opponent figured it would stop the triggers, but because the creature didn't immediately trigger it on ETB, I still got to draw cards.
A question about ninjutsu: if you have a creature with first strike that is unblocked, can you do first strike damage, ninjutsu a creature into play before normal damage and have it do damage as well?
Yes! Ninjutsu has so many crazy interactions that I've learned from playing UR faeries in Pauper, to name another weird one: You can activate a single creature's ninjutsu ability multiple times in response to itself, so if you have a spellstutter sprite and a faerie seer on board, and a ninja with a 1 mana ninjutsu ability in hand, you can reveal it twice, and pay 2 mana to bounce both creatures to hand and put the ninja in play.
Yes, with one exception: If the creature you Ninjutsu in also has First Strike, it is incapable of striking during the standard damage step. We're stacking niche scenarios rn though lol.
I would highly recommend making a ninjutsu deck on arena since it pauses every time you can take an action and highlights what can use the ability. It probably won't be very competitive, but makes it a lot easier to learn the timing.
Wanted to build a deck revolving around Notion Thief and Shared Fate. In theory, I could use cards like Forced Fruition to steal loads of cards from my opponents' decks each turn, milling them out while giving me loads of stuff to work with. Sadly, that theory ended as soon as I found out that the opponent chooses which replacement effect applies to them...
Welp. Thanks for the heads up with horn of greed! I was about to buy an Archelos, Lagoon Mystic deck with that in it with the sole intention of bringing lands back from the GY to keep drawing value! Love you guys!
27:25 The original card does at least warn you that "War favors the informed"-now it seems "the informed" are those aware of the peculiarities of what counts as attacking.
The replacement effects make the most sense for me if you imagine effects like rest in peace plus another replacement effect that affects cards dying. The player with the card gets to decide where and how it goes.
I got robbed of a game, because the player who cast everybody lives says they wont die to commander damage on their next turn. Just because the card says that their life total can't change meaning damage is prevented.. darn liar.
That would be like having a Platinum Angel in play and being reduced to 0 life, then arguing that if they destroy the Platinum Angel that you do not lose because you were already at 0 life. It just makes no sense. What was their argument ? Edit: There have to be dozens of Reddits, TH-cam videos etc. explaining why Teferi’s Protection doesn’t protect against everything including when damage cannot be prevented.
I had the goad and planeswalker rulling come up earlier today, I was playing kroxa titan of deaths hunger, I had a lilliana on board and cast kardur, (kroxa doesnt make a big board so I use goad to stop people from attacking me.) and someone tried to attack my planeswalker. so I told him he couldnt do that because I remembered from your guys podcasts you talked about how they just couldnt attack planeswalkers. they argued that several judges said that he could and therefor I am wrong. we called a judge over who looked up the official rules and told the guy he indeed couldnt attack the planeswalker. the guy got so mad that he packed all his belongings and stormed out of the shop. funniest part, the guy next to him during his turn chaos warped my lilliana.
One that really bugs me is the reminder text on sagas: "...after your draw step, add a lore counter" is a complete lie! The actual rules text says "as a player’s precombat main phase begins...". This completely turned a game upside down for me recently, where I had a saga in play and my opponent had a Fatespinner. I expected that if I chose to skip my main phases, I would get to use my saga, just at the beginning of combat; but that if I chose to skip my draw step, I would not get to use my saga. Turned out it was the other way around!
I'd advise to be somewhat careful with that Nethroi/Scourge of the Skyclave interaction though, because it allows people to fizzle the ability by damaging players to increase the Scourge's power.
40:30 Pretty simple solution to handling cards with post interaction confusion: "Does my spell resolve?" Ask this before you start choosing and it should be enough of a delimeter to let people know now is their only chance to stop what's about to happen.
Gaea's Touch being Oracled into an activated ability means it can be copied. That might actually earn its way back into one of my mono-green decks to experiment with. Reconnaisance's flavor text is very on-point: "War favors the informed."
The Ozolith interaction of "put counters" is from Rule 122.8. I had the same modular / Ozolith / Resourceful Defense question juat 2 weeks ago. Nobody at th LGS could answer, so Reddit was able to find the reference. 122.8. If a triggered ability instructs a player to put one object’s counters on another object and that ability’s trigger condition or effect checks that the object with those counters left the battlefield, the player doesn’t move counters from one object to the other. Rather, the player puts the same number of each kind of counter the first object had onto the second object.
the secret sauce of my Abzan modular counters deck has been revealed! With Ozolith, Reyhan, Resourceful Defense on the battlefield, a modular creature dying and transferring its counters to another artifact creature actually quadruples the counters, and thats before any doubling season effects. Just a single doubling season would actually octuple the counters too!
Literally had this come up the other day. I'm playing Daretti artifacts. I had, amongst other things, Goblin Welder, Mirage Mirror, and Spine of Ish Sah. I welded away the spine for something, then with the spine's "return to your hand" trigger on the stack, I turned mirror into another goblin welder, and welded the spine back in. We were curious if the "return to hand" trigger still happens with the spine in the field. I was of the impression it still did.
When an object changes zones, it becomes a completely different object with no memory of the old one The return trigger would try to find the spine and not find it, fizzling
Weird question, would the loyalty gain on cosmo stellar pup, grist the hunger tide or Chandra acolyte of flame be doubled by doubling season, because they are not costs, but rather part of the effects?
Joey, speaking of weird interactions. How about the change to the “Commander Death Rule”, and its effect on Reyhan? Do you think/hope they will errata Reyhan to make it function as it did when it was printed? Exile is the only zone where this is affected, and errata-ing it could cause some blink synergies to emerge
hi, i'm happy to see 13th and yaz! unfortunately it's safe to think 75% of the decks in the database are just copies of the precon or slight upgrades i'm still very new to make a deck so currently my "deck" of them is a pile of 400 cards that somehow needs to go to 100 but about the other card, i saw very similar effects of stealing from the top of the deck of my opponent and i don't really want to have 2 or 5 "multiplayer ravagan effects" on my board...even if this card is better for the +1/+1 synergy
Everybody lives also doesn't stop the game from ending in a draw. Normally choosing is done during the resolution of an effect. However, this is not true if the card says "Choose target. . ." like Arcbond or on modal cards since you choose the modes on cast.
My Fynn deck has one interactions that people get befuddled by. First is a creature with death touch any amount of damage is considered lethal damage. So if the creature has trample from rancor I am only required to assign 1 damage per blocker and can assign any remaining damage to the player. This effect does not care if that 1 point of damage actually kills the creature so even if it has protection from green or is indestructible I can still trample over because I assigned lethal damage.
Something similar to swapping life totals that trips people up is doubling power/toughness. I've seen multiple times where people consider it to be a "times 2" in the "what's my P/T" layers. As a WRONG example, if you double the power of a Grizzly Bear through something like Unnatural Growth, now it has 2x2=4 power. Then you cast Giant Growth for 3 more power, so now it's (2+3)x2=10 power. THAT WAS A WRONG EXAMPLE, DON'T FOLLOW IT. Doubling power is the same as "this creatures gets +X/+0, where X is the creature's power". So the Grizzly Bear in the example would be getting +2 from Unnatural Growth, and +3 from Giant Growth, for a total of 7 power. If the player had smartly Giant Growth'd first before Unnatural Instinct, then it would be 5 power first, then +5 from doubling. Always double last if possible.
Geae's Touch is even worse than they're presenting it here. As written now, the oracle text has a Zero mana activation, that lets you put a basic forest from your hand into play (sorcery speed activation only, and once per turn). Presumably, because Wotc was too chicken-shit to leave it as an additional land to play, but with restrictions on the type of land you could play. Masters Edition pictures show it as an ability granting an additional land drop, and the text on the card (because of course they haven't reprinted it) words it as an additional land drop, but its not, it's an activated ability.
Everybody lives just gave me a great idea: self inflicted poison + lich's mirror. Every single time state interactions happen, you die, and every time you die,.you immediately have 20 live and cycle your cards.
Once it start's resolving you can't counter council's judgement, that's right, but what you could do with it on the stack.. just ask the other player's what they're most likely to choose. They won't have to give you any information but most people will do it anyway.
To further the Ozolith thing. If you were to say...give your acrbound ravager modular a second time, say with blaster combat dj, the modular abilities do both trigger, so if you have 3 counters on the ravager, you can put 3 1/1 counters on an artifact creature you control, twice. I was wondering why people were playing the bad arcbound creatures with blaster....turns out that is why. Yes people do look at me rather unbelievingly.
The reconnaissance and maze of ith tricks are all great and i have been using them to get attack triggers amd saving kaalia and other weak attack trigger creatures from strong blockers
With the damage triggers i always thought it went in turn order after the player thats dealing the damage. I would like to see how that would play out online on something like mtg arena but for commander.
Ugh As much as i like the style of play, im glad we're getting wayyy less planeswalkers. Theres like 2 ways to interact with one let alone multiple planewalkers.
I know frequently we've had issues with a player in our group with things that sacrifice to get an effect, things that trigger on something dying, and things that have their own sacrifice trigger. For example, Syr Ginger, Solemn Simulacrum, and some sac outlet. Those timing rules of which goes on the stack first, counting up the stack, and then back down can be a big confusing. He loves intricate aristocrat style decks but absolutely HATES having to do the math for them. He just wants to shortcut it all to "this happens".
My absolute favorite interaction most people don’t know is the life change one. I’ve been using tainted remedy+beacon of immortality in my zur pillow fort deck to insta-kill people since the day tainted remedy came out.
If you do another one of these please cover all the weird things that get turned off by effects that make ban you from paying life as a cost (like attacking through a Norn's Annex?) or ban you from sacrificing creatures as a cost.
Sometimes also if a player looses the game things can get complicated. Like what happens to the stack? What happen to stolen creatures? What about emblems (esp chandras upkeep emblem)? What hapen in extra turns? And maybe even more.
So in short these are the answers to your questions: 1-Any spells or abilities controlled by the player who left the game are exiled and do not resolve 2-If the creature was put into play by its owner it returns to its owners control, if they were stolen through effects like Etali's trigger they leave with their controller. 3-To my knowledge Chandra is the only case were a player would leave an emblem behind, and that's because Chandra specifies that the other players gets an emblem, Chandra's controller never got an emblem itself 4-If a player taking an extra turn dies the turn will move through all its steps and phases normally, but no player will be the active player, if there's anything in the stack the spells and abilities will resolve, players may take actions before the extra turn of the absent player ends, if the player had any pending extra turns those never happen Hope this clarifies things a bit
How does scourge work in that way? Doesnt nethroi just make it so you can return it from the graveyard to the battlefield because it has less than 0 power? it is just a free card to put on the field that would immediately die and have no effect unless you already have your board set up for death triggers.
Concerning ‘everybody lives!’ what I find interesting about this card is, it can turn a game-winning scenario into a draw extremely fast… the best example I can think of would be ‘all will be one’ and ‘the red terror’ once you have demonstrated the loop play everybody lives the loop never ends because no one can die edit: nope im wrong about that instance ignore me
I don't think that makes a draw. Once Everybody Lives is played all creatures and players will have hexproof so All Will Be One will no longer have any legal targets (unless there's any Planeswalkers) and the loop stops.
your right i mis read the 'everybody lives' and 'all will be one' i did not see the all creatures gain hexproof portion of the card 'everybody lives' and did not see that ' all will be one targets... my bad@@mn6334
I started watching this channel recently enough that I have only ever known Joey’s challenge the stats being stolen. Congrats on stealing it back this episode.
Morph is full of weird rules interactions. I have to have rules ready tp reference some games. My favorite is they have no name. So guardian project is fair game.
The Cost one on library of leng immediatly sends me back to the days of yugioh with dark world cards, the exact same, for cost is a no no. For Effect is a hell yeah.
Right so it would also have to say remove all accumulated counters and damage on player for "everybody lives to be accurate which would kinda brake the card and make it worth alot more and mythic but it would also kinda be very very in the white niechè
Nassari, Dean of Expression has Red and White color identity. So it's OK with War Doctor but no bueno in a RGU/Temur deck. EDIT: I was wrong, confusing Nassari with Plargg, Dean of Chaos.
That's not correct, but i made the same mistake watching the video. Turns out the colour indicator on the card that tries to show the colour of the reverse face is EXTREMELY muted, and with the blue background of this video it reads as white. But the tiny mana symbol is the blasic U symbol, and you can just search any card site for uvilde to see ... Also the prismari watermark is another giveaway it's a UR card
I never understood how these errata'd (?) cards expect people to know they've been changed. I sure don't have an encyclopedic memory of the cards I use and don't often check to see if they've been arbitrarily changed. I tend to just go by "reading the card explains the card" even though I know it's become a joke/meme since it usually isn't the case. I just can't fathom trying to remember every change they made years after a card is printed for whatever random reason.
idk, I think the life gain one makes plenty of sense. If you go from 20 life to 40 life, you have gained 20 life. Life number gets bigger = you gained life. I don't think that one's particularly hard to grok.
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned allowing the backsides of MDFC containing sorceries or instants on their backside (and adventure cards) to be cast from the GY even though some other cards, like snapcaster mage, cannot do so.
Yeah i've become quite familiar with the way modular works since building Blaster, Combat DJ. And the main things to look at are whether you "move" those counters or "put" those counters. "Move" actually is moving the counters from one object to another. While "put" is the one that "copies" the counters and is typically found with dies or leaves the battlefield triggers. The reason being that once a permanent with counters changes zones, the counters just poof away, not even as a SBA, they just straight up cease to exist. Meanwhile a trigger tor dying or leaving the battlefield happens and it needs to know how many counters to put somewhere so all it could do is check the last time it had counters and then it "copies those counters. And it mattered for my deck because Blaster can grant a second case of modular to creatures already with it. And because of that, it stacks and i actually double up on putting that many counters somewhere.
My favourite weird rules interaction is how spells are actually cast. You don't pay the mana cost and then play the card... it's actually the other way around. You first declare to cast a spell, it goes onto the stack, and THEN you pay its mana cost. So in practice you could start casting something and while keeping priority you can react to your own spell on the stack before even paying for it. Although you must be able to cast the first spell in the first place for that to be legal.
This is not true. This is how it works: 1. You announce the spell. 2. Cost is determined and locked in. 3. You pay the manas. At this point you can tap or sac things to apply mana abilities as a special action. 4. The spell then goes on the stack.
I often joke that the strongest ability you can have in play in magic the gathering is Pedantry and this episode is just that taken to its logical conclusion
Most of these just explain why no one i know plays legacy cards anymore. If you need to keep oracle text up at all times during a game, i dont want to play against you.
Unfortunately, I dont think you explaines the damage doubling effect interaction well. You kept saying "the one being affected" which sounds like "the one being damaged" which is not the case. Its "the one who controls the effect that is doing damage". The order of replacement effects, which is what those are, is determined by the person who controls the effect they act on. So, if an opponent does 1 damage to another opponent, and you have a +2 damage and a x3 damage on the board. They can choose to make it (1+2)x3=9 or (1x3)+2=5. Same goes for multiple "if a creature would die, instead...." The person whose creature is dying gets to choose, if there are more than one.
"If another effect modifies how much damage your red source would deal, including preventing some of it, the player being dealt damage or the controller of the permanent being dealt damage chooses an order in which to apply those effects." Source: Torbran's Scryfall page scryfall.com/card/eld/147/torbran-thane-of-red-fell
More on Angel's grace: that last line only says DAMAGE can't reduce your life to less than 1. Other life loss effects are uninhibited, in which case you'd go down to 0 or fewer life, but you'll still be alive until the current turn ends because of the first line. This is how I died for the first and only time to a Sign in Blood.
38:36 Imho, the most common mistake players make with the choosing effect is with clone spells; most clone spells *do not* target (there are few exceptions) and yet the majority of players says: "I'm going to cast this clone and copy this creature" -- This actually leaves you the possibility to respond because the casting player did NOT wait to see if that spell was going to resolve or if any player had some interaction while the spell is on the stack. The proper way to play clone spell is casting the spell and, as it resolves, chose the creature to copy.
Yeah or like.. just asking in general, there is no rule that stop's you from asking what they might choose. Sure they don't have to give you any information, but most people do it anyway. But yeah i can see newer player's defintely overlooking that part.
I have one to add. Don't ever play your Urza's Saga if someone has a Blood Moon effect in play; what happens is Urza's Saga becomes a Mountain, but retains its Saga type, which means it is forcefully sacrificed due to it being at its new maximum lore count of 0.
We had something similar pop up the other night when I was playing my Arixmethes deck that also runs Dark Depths and one of my friends already had a Blood Moon on the field before I got DD and Arixmethes on the field. It was kind of fun pausing the game to figure out what happens in those cases.
Layers could be an entire episode 😂
@@GrizzneyGames Ogres are like onions, indeed.
Would that also mean that if someone played a blood moon/magus of the moon when you already have an urza's saga in play, it'll sacrifice itself?
@@KomradeKrisis1701 I believe so, since the new max would become 0 - causing it to sacrifice itself.
I love that the writers of this sitcom keep gradually adding dad jokes to Joey's lines because the character development has been amazing, great stuff
Thank you Joey for putting my mind at ease with the damage stacking. That rule has bugged me forever but it finally makes sense with multiple players
Me too
But it is not the end of the confusion. I have a Mogis, god of slaughter deck, and if I have a Mogis in play and a Havoc Festival... I get to choose the order, because, they are upkeep triggers.
@@clausfussel2932The main difference is that Havoc Festival and Mogis are both triggered abilities, whereas effects like Torbran or Fiery Emancipation are both replacement effects. The former go on the stack and their order is chosen by their controller, while the latter don’t use the stack and are ordered by the affected player
Interaction I wish you had mentioned about Goad and Propaganda especially, is if an opponent A goads you and opponent B has Propaganda effect, you're not forced to attack them and pay for it, even if you had enough open mana.
Wouldn’t they be forced to attack player C in that case 😅
They get to choose a player other than you to attack, then they get to choose whether or not to pay for propaganda, then if they choose not to pay, the creature fails to attack and so is not tapped or anything
@@tortle1055pretty sure the creature has to attack as part of goad, the second part is that it has to attack a player other than the one that goaded it "if able".
So if the player doesn't pay for propaganda and can't attack that opponent, their creature still has to attack and has no other targets but the player who goaded it, the creature doesn't get to not attack.
One interaction I always like to mention in case, is that auras only target when their on the stack (aka casting). So if it entered from anywhere else (ie. Exile from Brago, the Eternal King), "enchant 'object' " attaches it to something and you choose where it goes. Which means it gets around shroud and hexproof since you're choosing and not targeting.
Also, YES, Pit of Offerings. I also reached my limit for my order or I would've bought more too.
I wonder how many folks learned that aura thing from a game against a Bruna Light of Alabaster deck?
@@danaroach29 It might not have been a pleasant experience, but if it's Bruna, I'm sure it was enLightening.
Btw, there's a fun interaction if you legend rule Reyhan, Last of the Abzan. Because it moves counters when it or another creature dies, they will all do so and you will get the moving counters trugger twice. If you legend rule multiple Reyhans at the same time, you can get a nuts amount of counters out of nowhere
My favorite one that throws people off all the time happens with my Raffine, Scheming Seer deck. I have Adeline in there and I layer the triggers so that Adeline creates the tokens before the Raffine connive trigger goes off. Most people think that Raffine checks the amount of creatures you had when you attacked but she doesn't until the trigger resolves so Adeline will make me connive for three more creatures that I swung out with. In pods that haven't seen the interaction before, I usually have to explain what's happening
I've messed with a similar idea in my Kamiz deck. Kamiz needs a target for the first half of the ability but the second half doesn't target so you can put things like Whispersilk Cloak(Shroud) or Swords of X&Y(Protection) on a creature and still give it double strike with Kamiz, it just needs to have power less than the first creature.
another interesting interaction in general is that you can "respond" to a split second spell with a morph potentially causing you to counter a split second spell. as morphing is not an activated ability but a state-based interaction. so if someone tries to krosan grip one of your artifacts you can morph a stratus dancer and counter it.
This came up in a friendly draft awhile ago. It wasn’t split second - can’t quite remember what it was, but effectively priority wasn’t in my favor - and I morphed a guy to bounce all of his stuff. I had to explain what happened and he was still confused. Thankfully everyone knows me in the group as “the rules guy” so he trusted me 😂
You still need to have priority to turn a morph creature face-up. @@WMDistraction
Turning a morph creature face up is a special action, not a "state-based interaction" (there is no such thing by that name). State-based actions are a thing, but they're actions that the game does automatically, like destroying a creature that's taken lethal damage; not game actions taken by players.
@@dennisbradford7216 it’s a special action that a player can take anytime that they have priority. State biased actions are dying due to having 0 life or a creature dying due to taking damage. State based actions are checked every time a player would gain priority and cannot be responded to.
Don't forget other triggered counters like Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant or Counterbalance
I am thankful this holiday season that Joey got a segue.
It's sad that Library of Leng isn't played much. I run it in a small handful of decks and love having that turn one play. It's a slightly better Spellbook with a niche feel.
Whoah, the Doubling Season one really caught me off guard; I'm pretty sure people in my pod consistently play it wrong.
Doubling Season is probably one of the most frequently misunderstood interactions. People often do not understood “effect” very well.
We also can’t talk about doubling season without mentioning sagas! When a saga ETB with doubling season out, it would get two counters (so first two chapters both trigger), but next turn you only add one, not two lore counters.
@@mmmmmqUnless, of course, your Saga has Read Ahead. Skipped Chapters of Read Ahead Sagas don’t trigger.
@@janmelantu7490oh, interesting! So even if you don't actually pay the cost for the Read Ahead ability, it'll still skip the first chapter if it gets additional counters as it ETBs?
@@KomradeKrisis1701 Yes basically. When your Read Ahead saga resolves, you pick which chapter to “start on” aka how many Lore Counters you put on it. If you say 1, doubling season says “cool, actually it’ll be 2” and you only get chapter 2 because you (actually Doubling Season) “skipped” chapter 1. If you picked “Chapter 2”, doubling season puts 4 lore counters on it initially, and then it does nothing and is immediately sacrificed (unless your read ahead saga has 4 chapters).
Vorinclex is even worse, because he also doubles each time you put counters on sagas.
The rule and layers of Opalescence with Humility are legendary.
These are the kinds of episodes I love, that as a viewer tickles that part of your brain that might help you solve the puzzlenot in your deckbuilding.
When Joey said „cause and effect“ I expected him to start a monologue like the Merovingian.
I have Reconnaissance in a commander cube of mine and I've literally shapied out the reminder text because I don't want players misunderstanding the card.
Crawlspace is similar to Propaganda in that it only limits the number of creatures attacking the player; their planeswalkers are still fair game. Also, any creature that enters the battlefield attacking (such as Myriad token copies) gets around cannot attack restrictions are they were created after the declare attackers step.
To add to the choose vs target part; when using an effect to put an aura into play or the battlefield you can select hexproof/shrouded creatures/players. An aura only targets when it is cast, so an effect like Light-Paws attaching an aura from your deck to it, goes around an existing shroud aspect on it.
Nethroi's Paradox: Nethroi has a very expensive and desirably Mutate ability. One would think that you should play a bunch of Mutate cards to repeatedly trigger Nethroi's Mutate ability for cheap.
*BUT* when a card with Mutate is reanimated, it is returned to the battlefield as a separate creature. You don't get to Mutate with it again, meaning you have a bunch of creatures spread out, which is _exactly_ the opposite of what Mutate wants.
Nethroi is a Mutate commander where you don't want to play other Mutate effects.
This is a great episode because a VERY common answer when someone asks a question about how a card/interaction works is, "just read the card and do exactly what it says."
I can't find the Rachel Weeks video you mentioned about the red damage ruling. Do you perhaps have a link or a title I can look up?
EDit: 2 days later, I still don't get it and I wish I could find the video. I have scrolled through countless commandzone video's yet still can't find it. Can someone please provide a link or clarify some more because this rule is quite a doozy
It's titled "You're reading cards WRONG". In the section called "if/replacement effect" about twenty four minutes & thirty seconds into the video.
Very interesting episode, thank you. I have another good one (that I also want to CHALLENGE THE STATS on): 20% of Pantlaza deck are currently running Curator of Sun's Creation, a card that doubles up a Discover-trigger once per turn. Unfortunately, this does not work with Pantlaza, because of Pantlaza's unique wording: Most limits on cards like these are worded "This ability triggers only once each turn", but Pantlaza explicitly forbids you from doing this Discovering more than once a turn ! That means that doubling up the Discover-trigger that Pantlaza provides does nothing.
I'd like to add one which is that if a player uses Teferi's Protection and I swing at them with a Questing Beast, the damage from Questing Beast can't be prevented.
I have a challenge the stats. It's running the land "spawning pool" in a Nethroi, Apex of Death deck. Nethroi has 5290 decks on edhrec, and a whopping 10 of them run spawning pool. It's a land that comes into play tapped, taps for a black mana, and also has an activated ability for 1 and a black "spawning pool becomes a 1/1 black skeleton creature with black: regenerate this creature into end of turn. It's still a land". I've run nethroi for years now, and i can't count how many times i had no creatures in play to mutate nethroi onto, and animating spawning pool for the body, that has a form of protection, has won me the game. Such a good utility land
Also the fact that the skeleton can protect itself by just tapping for the black to regenerate. I know regenerate isn't amazing, but it still does deal with alot of spot removal used these days
That ozolith modular interaction is HUGE for my sydri modular deck
In my OG Ephara deck, one thing that came up was how she interacts with Torpor Orb. My opponent figured it would stop the triggers, but because the creature didn't immediately trigger it on ETB, I still got to draw cards.
A question about ninjutsu: if you have a creature with first strike that is unblocked, can you do first strike damage, ninjutsu a creature into play before normal damage and have it do damage as well?
Yes! Ninjutsu has so many crazy interactions that I've learned from playing UR faeries in Pauper, to name another weird one:
You can activate a single creature's ninjutsu ability multiple times in response to itself, so if you have a spellstutter sprite and a faerie seer on board, and a ninja with a 1 mana ninjutsu ability in hand, you can reveal it twice, and pay 2 mana to bounce both creatures to hand and put the ninja in play.
Yes, with one exception: If the creature you Ninjutsu in also has First Strike, it is incapable of striking during the standard damage step. We're stacking niche scenarios rn though lol.
Thank you both for answering!
I would highly recommend making a ninjutsu deck on arena since it pauses every time you can take an action and highlights what can use the ability.
It probably won't be very competitive, but makes it a lot easier to learn the timing.
Wanted to build a deck revolving around Notion Thief and Shared Fate. In theory, I could use cards like Forced Fruition to steal loads of cards from my opponents' decks each turn, milling them out while giving me loads of stuff to work with.
Sadly, that theory ended as soon as I found out that the opponent chooses which replacement effect applies to them...
Welp. Thanks for the heads up with horn of greed! I was about to buy an Archelos, Lagoon Mystic deck with that in it with the sole intention of bringing lands back from the GY to keep drawing value! Love you guys!
Oh snap! As someone with a video series called Tough Rules & Cool Interactions, I can tell this will be a good episode.
Oh wow, I just finished your latest episode and then watched this EDHREC one and saw your comment. Trippy!
I may have died to that exact Everybody Lives interaction recently XD
27:25 The original card does at least warn you that "War favors the informed"-now it seems "the informed" are those aware of the peculiarities of what counts as attacking.
The replacement effects make the most sense for me if you imagine effects like rest in peace plus another replacement effect that affects cards dying.
The player with the card gets to decide where and how it goes.
Does "goad" also ignore Battles, just like the Planeswalkers?
Yes
Battles aren't players, so yes.
I got robbed of a game, because the player who cast everybody lives says they wont die to commander damage on their next turn. Just because the card says that their life total can't change meaning damage is prevented.. darn liar.
That would be like having a Platinum Angel in play and being reduced to 0 life, then arguing that if they destroy the Platinum Angel that you do not lose because you were already at 0 life. It just makes no sense. What was their argument ?
Edit: There have to be dozens of Reddits, TH-cam videos etc. explaining why Teferi’s Protection doesn’t protect against everything including when damage cannot be prevented.
I had the goad and planeswalker rulling come up earlier today, I was playing kroxa titan of deaths hunger, I had a lilliana on board and cast kardur, (kroxa doesnt make a big board so I use goad to stop people from attacking me.) and someone tried to attack my planeswalker. so I told him he couldnt do that because I remembered from your guys podcasts you talked about how they just couldnt attack planeswalkers. they argued that several judges said that he could and therefor I am wrong. we called a judge over who looked up the official rules and told the guy he indeed couldnt attack the planeswalker. the guy got so mad that he packed all his belongings and stormed out of the shop. funniest part, the guy next to him during his turn chaos warped my lilliana.
Sad story. Failed game of commander..
One that really bugs me is the reminder text on sagas: "...after your draw step, add a lore counter" is a complete lie! The actual rules text says "as a player’s precombat main phase begins...". This completely turned a game upside down for me recently, where I had a saga in play and my opponent had a Fatespinner. I expected that if I chose to skip my main phases, I would get to use my saga, just at the beginning of combat; but that if I chose to skip my draw step, I would not get to use my saga. Turned out it was the other way around!
Lol, I've explained the Torbran interaction due to brewing a Torbran deck, and they definitely wanted to look it up on their own
I'd advise to be somewhat careful with that Nethroi/Scourge of the Skyclave interaction though, because it allows people to fizzle the ability by damaging players to increase the Scourge's power.
Kardur is by far one of the funnest commanders I've played. Love my walker deck led by him.
40:30
Pretty simple solution to handling cards with post interaction confusion:
"Does my spell resolve?"
Ask this before you start choosing and it should be enough of a delimeter to let people know now is their only chance to stop what's about to happen.
Gaea's Touch being Oracled into an activated ability means it can be copied. That might actually earn its way back into one of my mono-green decks to experiment with.
Reconnaisance's flavor text is very on-point: "War favors the informed."
The Ozolith interaction of "put counters" is from Rule 122.8. I had the same modular / Ozolith / Resourceful Defense question juat 2 weeks ago. Nobody at th LGS could answer, so Reddit was able to find the reference.
122.8. If a triggered ability instructs a player to put one object’s counters on another object and that ability’s trigger condition or effect checks that the object with those counters left the battlefield, the player doesn’t move counters from one object to the other. Rather, the player puts the same number of each kind of counter the first object had onto the second object.
the secret sauce of my Abzan modular counters deck has been revealed! With Ozolith, Reyhan, Resourceful Defense on the battlefield, a modular creature dying and transferring its counters to another artifact creature actually quadruples the counters, and thats before any doubling season effects. Just a single doubling season would actually octuple the counters too!
Literally had this come up the other day. I'm playing Daretti artifacts. I had, amongst other things, Goblin Welder, Mirage Mirror, and Spine of Ish Sah. I welded away the spine for something, then with the spine's "return to your hand" trigger on the stack, I turned mirror into another goblin welder, and welded the spine back in. We were curious if the "return to hand" trigger still happens with the spine in the field. I was of the impression it still did.
When an object changes zones, it becomes a completely different object with no memory of the old one
The return trigger would try to find the spine and not find it, fizzling
TEYSA DOESN'T DOUBLE TRIGGER MURKWOOD BATS!!!!!
Weird question, would the loyalty gain on cosmo stellar pup, grist the hunger tide or Chandra acolyte of flame be doubled by doubling season, because they are not costs, but rather part of the effects?
Joey, speaking of weird interactions. How about the change to the “Commander Death Rule”, and its effect on Reyhan? Do you think/hope they will errata Reyhan to make it function as it did when it was printed? Exile is the only zone where this is affected, and errata-ing it could cause some blink synergies to emerge
hi, i'm happy to see 13th and yaz! unfortunately it's safe to think 75% of the decks in the database are just copies of the precon or slight upgrades
i'm still very new to make a deck so currently my "deck" of them is a pile of 400 cards that somehow needs to go to 100
but about the other card, i saw very similar effects of stealing from the top of the deck of my opponent and i don't really want to have 2 or 5 "multiplayer ravagan effects" on my board...even if this card is better for the +1/+1 synergy
Everybody lives also doesn't stop the game from ending in a draw.
Normally choosing is done during the resolution of an effect. However, this is not true if the card says "Choose target. . ." like Arcbond or on modal cards since you choose the modes on cast.
Huzzah for Assassin's Creed reprinting Reconnaissance with accurate reminder text
My Fynn deck has one interactions that people get befuddled by. First is a creature with death touch any amount of damage is considered lethal damage. So if the creature has trample from rancor I am only required to assign 1 damage per blocker and can assign any remaining damage to the player. This effect does not care if that 1 point of damage actually kills the creature so even if it has protection from green or is indestructible I can still trample over because I assigned lethal damage.
Something similar to swapping life totals that trips people up is doubling power/toughness. I've seen multiple times where people consider it to be a "times 2" in the "what's my P/T" layers. As a WRONG example, if you double the power of a Grizzly Bear through something like Unnatural Growth, now it has 2x2=4 power. Then you cast Giant Growth for 3 more power, so now it's (2+3)x2=10 power. THAT WAS A WRONG EXAMPLE, DON'T FOLLOW IT.
Doubling power is the same as "this creatures gets +X/+0, where X is the creature's power". So the Grizzly Bear in the example would be getting +2 from Unnatural Growth, and +3 from Giant Growth, for a total of 7 power. If the player had smartly Giant Growth'd first before Unnatural Instinct, then it would be 5 power first, then +5 from doubling.
Always double last if possible.
Geae's Touch is even worse than they're presenting it here.
As written now, the oracle text has a Zero mana activation, that lets you put a basic forest from your hand into play (sorcery speed activation only, and once per turn). Presumably, because Wotc was too chicken-shit to leave it as an additional land to play, but with restrictions on the type of land you could play.
Masters Edition pictures show it as an ability granting an additional land drop, and the text on the card (because of course they haven't reprinted it) words it as an additional land drop, but its not, it's an activated ability.
Everybody lives just gave me a great idea: self inflicted poison + lich's mirror.
Every single time state interactions happen, you die, and every time you die,.you immediately have 20 live and cycle your cards.
Once it start's resolving you can't counter council's judgement, that's right, but what you could do with it on the stack.. just ask the other player's what they're most likely to choose. They won't have to give you any information but most people will do it anyway.
To further the Ozolith thing. If you were to say...give your acrbound ravager modular a second time, say with blaster combat dj, the modular abilities do both trigger, so if you have 3 counters on the ravager, you can put 3 1/1 counters on an artifact creature you control, twice. I was wondering why people were playing the bad arcbound creatures with blaster....turns out that is why. Yes people do look at me rather unbelievingly.
The reconnaissance and maze of ith tricks are all great and i have been using them to get attack triggers amd saving kaalia and other weak attack trigger creatures from strong blockers
With the damage triggers i always thought it went in turn order after the player thats dealing the damage. I would like to see how that would play out online on something like mtg arena but for commander.
Ugh As much as i like the style of play, im glad we're getting wayyy less planeswalkers. Theres like 2 ways to interact with one let alone multiple planewalkers.
My Nethroi deck on arena (read: that doesn’t exist) runs as many power zero creatures as I can find like Shanna, legacy and Ambitious Dragonborn
I know frequently we've had issues with a player in our group with things that sacrifice to get an effect, things that trigger on something dying, and things that have their own sacrifice trigger. For example, Syr Ginger, Solemn Simulacrum, and some sac outlet. Those timing rules of which goes on the stack first, counting up the stack, and then back down can be a big confusing.
He loves intricate aristocrat style decks but absolutely HATES having to do the math for them. He just wants to shortcut it all to "this happens".
Good man, Joey! Gotcha Challenge back
My friend was so let down to figure out how Propaganda worked in his Superfriends deck (as in, that it didn't)
I use Reconnaissance in my Myrel, Shield of Argive deck great way to abuse her attack trigger
My absolute favorite interaction most people don’t know is the life change one. I’ve been using tainted remedy+beacon of immortality in my zur pillow fort deck to insta-kill people since the day tainted remedy came out.
If you do another one of these please cover all the weird things that get turned off by effects that make ban you from paying life as a cost (like attacking through a Norn's Annex?) or ban you from sacrificing creatures as a cost.
Sometimes also if a player looses the game things can get complicated. Like what happens to the stack? What happen to stolen creatures? What about emblems (esp chandras upkeep emblem)? What hapen in extra turns? And maybe even more.
So in short these are the answers to your questions:
1-Any spells or abilities controlled by the player who left the game are exiled and do not resolve
2-If the creature was put into play by its owner it returns to its owners control, if they were stolen through effects like Etali's trigger they leave with their controller.
3-To my knowledge Chandra is the only case were a player would leave an emblem behind, and that's because Chandra specifies that the other players gets an emblem, Chandra's controller never got an emblem itself
4-If a player taking an extra turn dies the turn will move through all its steps and phases normally, but no player will be the active player, if there's anything in the stack the spells and abilities will resolve, players may take actions before the extra turn of the absent player ends, if the player had any pending extra turns those never happen
Hope this clarifies things a bit
@@azazelmorningstar5631 thanks another tricky one: what happens if a player controlling another player dies in that turn?
How does scourge work in that way? Doesnt nethroi just make it so you can return it from the graveyard to the battlefield because it has less than 0 power? it is just a free card to put on the field that would immediately die and have no effect unless you already have your board set up for death triggers.
Brilliant episode. Any news of when will EDHREC resume updating?
Concerning ‘everybody lives!’ what I find interesting about this card is, it can turn a game-winning scenario into a draw extremely fast… the best example I can think of would be ‘all will be one’ and ‘the red terror’ once you have demonstrated the loop play everybody lives the loop never ends because no one can die
edit: nope im wrong about that instance ignore me
I don't think that makes a draw.
Once Everybody Lives is played all creatures and players will have hexproof so All Will Be One will no longer have any legal targets (unless there's any Planeswalkers) and the loop stops.
your right i mis read the 'everybody lives' and 'all will be one' i did not see the all creatures gain hexproof portion of the card 'everybody lives' and did not see that ' all will be one targets... my bad@@mn6334
That nethroi one should account for a rule change, that was obviously not the intent of the mechanic and can only cause more problems in the future!
I started watching this channel recently enough that I have only ever known Joey’s challenge the stats being stolen. Congrats on stealing it back this episode.
Morph is full of weird rules interactions.
I have to have rules ready tp reference some games.
My favorite is they have no name. So guardian project is fair game.
The Cost one on library of leng immediatly sends me back to the days of yugioh with dark world cards, the exact same, for cost is a no no. For Effect is a hell yeah.
Right so it would also have to say remove all accumulated counters and damage on player for "everybody lives to be accurate which would kinda brake the card and make it worth alot more and mythic but it would also kinda be very very in the white niechè
Mark Poole cards don't do what they say they do, got it.
Nassari, Dean of Expression has Red and White color identity. So it's OK with War Doctor but no bueno in a RGU/Temur deck. EDIT: I was wrong, confusing Nassari with Plargg, Dean of Chaos.
That's not correct, but i made the same mistake watching the video. Turns out the colour indicator on the card that tries to show the colour of the reverse face is EXTREMELY muted, and with the blue background of this video it reads as white. But the tiny mana symbol is the blasic U symbol, and you can just search any card site for uvilde to see ... Also the prismari watermark is another giveaway it's a UR card
I get confusing Nassari with Plargg, since they were on a card together in Aftermath, and Nassari is the flip side of Uvilda.
I never understood how these errata'd (?) cards expect people to know they've been changed. I sure don't have an encyclopedic memory of the cards I use and don't often check to see if they've been arbitrarily changed. I tend to just go by "reading the card explains the card" even though I know it's become a joke/meme since it usually isn't the case. I just can't fathom trying to remember every change they made years after a card is printed for whatever random reason.
my nekusar deck loooves library of leng 😈
Lifeline also lies to you.
13:55 just realised that this also means Propaganda won't make people lay the 2 mana if they attack a battle you're defending 🤔
idk, I think the life gain one makes plenty of sense. If you go from 20 life to 40 life, you have gained 20 life. Life number gets bigger = you gained life. I don't think that one's particularly hard to grok.
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned allowing the backsides of MDFC containing sorceries or instants on their backside (and adventure cards) to be cast from the GY even though some other cards, like snapcaster mage, cannot do so.
Yeah i've become quite familiar with the way modular works since building Blaster, Combat DJ. And the main things to look at are whether you "move" those counters or "put" those counters. "Move" actually is moving the counters from one object to another. While "put" is the one that "copies" the counters and is typically found with dies or leaves the battlefield triggers. The reason being that once a permanent with counters changes zones, the counters just poof away, not even as a SBA, they just straight up cease to exist. Meanwhile a trigger tor dying or leaving the battlefield happens and it needs to know how many counters to put somewhere so all it could do is check the last time it had counters and then it "copies those counters. And it mattered for my deck because Blaster can grant a second case of modular to creatures already with it. And because of that, it stacks and i actually double up on putting that many counters somewhere.
nassari is so good
When the coin is in the air, the ability has left the stack and there’s nothing to do about it
Challenge the strats
More episodes like this
My favourite weird rules interaction is how spells are actually cast. You don't pay the mana cost and then play the card... it's actually the other way around. You first declare to cast a spell, it goes onto the stack, and THEN you pay its mana cost. So in practice you could start casting something and while keeping priority you can react to your own spell on the stack before even paying for it. Although you must be able to cast the first spell in the first place for that to be legal.
This is not true.
This is how it works:
1. You announce the spell.
2. Cost is determined and locked in.
3. You pay the manas. At this point you can tap or sac things to apply mana abilities as a special action.
4. The spell then goes on the stack.
If there are different multipliers to damage dealt the OPPONENT gets to choose which damage hits
MTGA doesn't handle the damage addition/multiplication paradox at all.
It does if you disable auto stacking/applying effects in options
I often joke that the strongest ability you can have in play in magic the gathering is Pedantry and this episode is just that taken to its logical conclusion
Commander damage being weird again.
Most of these just explain why no one i know plays legacy cards anymore.
If you need to keep oracle text up at all times during a game, i dont want to play against you.
We already have active/non active player.. - "explanation" makes no sense..
Unfortunately, I dont think you explaines the damage doubling effect interaction well. You kept saying "the one being affected" which sounds like "the one being damaged" which is not the case. Its "the one who controls the effect that is doing damage". The order of replacement effects, which is what those are, is determined by the person who controls the effect they act on.
So, if an opponent does 1 damage to another opponent, and you have a +2 damage and a x3 damage on the board. They can choose to make it (1+2)x3=9 or (1x3)+2=5.
Same goes for multiple "if a creature would die, instead...." The person whose creature is dying gets to choose, if there are more than one.
"If another effect modifies how much damage your red source would deal, including preventing some of it, the player being dealt damage or the controller of the permanent being dealt damage chooses an order in which to apply those effects."
Source: Torbran's Scryfall page scryfall.com/card/eld/147/torbran-thane-of-red-fell
I have to explain how combat damage works to every atla player bc I'm not killing multiple eggs, just one
More on Angel's grace: that last line only says DAMAGE can't reduce your life to less than 1. Other life loss effects are uninhibited, in which case you'd go down to 0 or fewer life, but you'll still be alive until the current turn ends because of the first line. This is how I died for the first and only time to a Sign in Blood.
Commander bucket list: ✅
I also like telling dad jokes.
He finds them funny.
38:36 Imho, the most common mistake players make with the choosing effect is with clone spells; most clone spells *do not* target (there are few exceptions) and yet the majority of players says: "I'm going to cast this clone and copy this creature" -- This actually leaves you the possibility to respond because the casting player did NOT wait to see if that spell was going to resolve or if any player had some interaction while the spell is on the stack.
The proper way to play clone spell is casting the spell and, as it resolves, chose the creature to copy.
Yeah or like.. just asking in general, there is no rule that stop's you from asking what they might choose. Sure they don't have to give you any information, but most people do it anyway. But yeah i can see newer player's defintely overlooking that part.