amazing how so many people said they ahve had trouble, when kinda funny how this lock was my second lock i've opened, and it took a few days after it sitting around for a while after i tried for a few days
BeatsFromDP someone found one in a locker room and gave it to me. I probs spent about a combined hour and a half at work messing with it. First time picking one with security pins. Sure feels nice once you get it.
I'm guessing it originally shipped with a 5 pin key. I heard American Lock charge extra for a 6 pin keyed lock but I'm in the UK and have to import these, so I don't know how it looks at USA retail level. Anyway I seem to recall Bill uploading a video where he takes one of these cores and adds a keypin to ride on the tip of the key in slot 6. So it would also need to be picked to shear, but anyone only looking at the key might assume there are just 5 pins and struggle to get in. It's a great trick, using all 6 chambers to get the best out of the hardware.
I'm a super beginner- just ordered my first picks and torsion wrenches from Peterson- and I have this same lock (sans flag logo). Since I'd long since lost the key, I'd thought I'd start out with this- then you mentioned spools. The moans of horror only got louder when you started pulling out serrated pins hand over fist.
none of my american locks have wafers, i called up a bunch of local locksmiths and nobody has em and a few didn't know what i was talking about. one guy was funny he said "i been doing this 18 years and i never heard of this, who makes that tool?" i said "sparrows, peterson" then he said, "hold on a sec.... i don't have any wafers in stock."
mrlock.com also charged $9 shipping, .90cents for 10 wafers is nice but throw in $9 shipping and i feel like i'm being ripped. i'll find it local sooner or later, funny thing is all the locksmiths i called that day were either clueless or playing stupid except for 1 guy that told me nobody is going to hav e em and that he can order em for me. i'll support my local locksmith rather then pay someone $9 to put a few wafers in a white envelope with a forever stamp.
@@bosnianbill hey bossman what material is your picks made from? I’m essentially a brand newbie and have been making mine out of coat hangers. I’ve opened several locks with them but would like a more professional set of picks without breaking the bank, so I was going to make my own. Any suggestions? Much appreciated!
I have this exact same lock I’m attempting to pick right now. It really upsets me that you can just open it no problem, yet I’ve spent days on it now lol
So I’ve tried opening this monster again. It’s been about 3 months since I opened it without success. I’ve found out that I can throw it just short of 80 yards. 😂
@@darenmiller2218 ha.. Yeah I even bought some blanks to attempt to get a working key on mine.. But currently shelved. Easily the hardest lock I've tried so far, and on paper I've opened some classed higher..
I managed to open a 5200 with the longer shackle with a nail and a bobby pin. And I gutted it to make sure it was not a defective one with shallow serrations.
+bosnianbill I have been trying to pick it for 2 days. I think the third pin is what is holding me back. It is so tall that it's nearly at the shear line with no key. I think I am over setting it every time. What I did is put No. 3 in by itself and I still over set it. You may laugh but this is my first lock to try with security pins. I've only been picking about a month.
@@darenmiller2218 I have yet to pick my lock open. I eventually gave up. I believe it takes a great deal of practice and understanding how the spools feel when they are false set.
@@darenmiller2218 I do have a set of Sparrows lock picks. They do make it considerably better than homemade picks. But this lock has eluded me since I started. Do you have a key that will open the lock? I'm thinking if we can disassemble the core and only leave 1 set of pins in and try to pick it get used to how it feels, then add another and try, then another and so on.
This might sounds weird. But for some reason my 5200 just won't let me tension the core. I am very... And I mean VERY new to this. But I feel like I understand enough of what's going on to know that for my 5200 it isn't tensioning.
I know this is a old video.. But after seeing this i went and bought one of these. Majorly disappointed. After opening it way too easy, i decided to take it apart. It has 1 security pin in the #1 position. Al the rest are standards. Highly disappointed. Makes me want to make a challenge out of it. The date code on it is QNJF5. I was looking for a lock full of serrated pins to practice on. Do you have any recommendations?
Again I would love to see more detail of what exact pics you're using this wasn't too bad for intricate but usually it's hard to tell thanks be blessed
Hay bosnianbill I have a question I have a chance to buy 3 American lock series 3601 with kwikset Cors or for $40 dollars less I can buy kwikset smart key padlock for my gates would u give ur personal advice on this matter in other words which is more Security able
Bosnianbill, i was gutting the core of the American 5200, and stupidly forgot to put the key pins back in before inserting into the bible. all of the top pins have now fallen into the core, how do i fix this?
Hi, Is there anyway that I could send you a 5200 series lock to pick? I’ve tried hundreds of times I just can’t pick it, I can’t pick American locks at all I’ve tried many of them, I picked one once. I would send a stamp or a label so you could send the lock 🔒 back to me.
No way! That is YOUR lock and it has some important lessons to impart. The only way you will learn them is to practice on that lock until you figure out how to deal with serrated pins. If you send it to me to open, NEITHER of us will learn anything...😋 Never give away a lock that you have not opened, otherwise you forfeit whatever secrets it holds for you. Oh yeah, you'll never get better either.
Bosnianbill, thanks for getting back to me. Do you have another website where you communicate with people? Like where I could send you pictures of the pic and tension wrench that I’m using and you tell me if it’s good or not. I’ve tried to pick American locks hundreds of times with success one time. I have collected about 30 quality American locks (not made by master lock) and I just can’t pick them. And I swear I’ve tried hundreds of times for hours on end over the course years.
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just uploaded a American 50 series picked. thanks for the help.
What about 30 series? I really need to get this open
Thanks for the tips finally picked my first american lock 5200 successfully.
It's nice to see it push you around for a bit...
I don't feel so bad now.
amazing how so many people said they ahve had trouble, when kinda funny how this lock was my second lock i've opened, and it took a few days after it sitting around for a while after i tried for a few days
Good stuff as always bill! They're no walk in the park these things, very nicely done.
Finally...after 10 hours over a couple of months I got it picked! 5 serrated 5 spools. Wonder why only five pins when there's room for six?
BeatsFromDP someone found one in a locker room and gave it to me. I probs spent about a combined hour and a half at work messing with it. First time picking one with security pins. Sure feels nice once you get it.
I'm guessing it originally shipped with a 5 pin key. I heard American Lock charge extra for a 6 pin keyed lock but I'm in the UK and have to import these, so I don't know how it looks at USA retail level. Anyway I seem to recall Bill uploading a video where he takes one of these cores and adds a keypin to ride on the tip of the key in slot 6. So it would also need to be picked to shear, but anyone only looking at the key might assume there are just 5 pins and struggle to get in. It's a great trick, using all 6 chambers to get the best out of the hardware.
I'm a super beginner- just ordered my first picks and torsion wrenches from Peterson- and I have this same lock (sans flag logo). Since I'd long since lost the key, I'd thought I'd start out with this- then you mentioned spools.
The moans of horror only got louder when you started pulling out serrated pins hand over fist.
Great picking Bill ,thanks for the review
Master locks are the greatest locks ever made
none of my american locks have wafers, i called up a bunch of local locksmiths and nobody has em and a few didn't know what i was talking about. one guy was funny he said "i been doing this 18 years and i never heard of this, who makes that tool?" i said "sparrows, peterson" then he said, "hold on a sec.... i don't have any wafers in stock."
www.mrlock.com has them really cheap.
mrlock.com also charged $9 shipping, .90cents for 10 wafers is nice but throw in $9 shipping and i feel like i'm being ripped. i'll find it local sooner or later, funny thing is all the locksmiths i called that day were either clueless or playing stupid except for 1 guy that told me nobody is going to hav e em and that he can order em for me. i'll support my local locksmith rather then pay someone $9 to put a few wafers in a white envelope with a forever stamp.
If you only need a few, PM your address and I'll scrounge'em up.
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thank you for your generous offer bill, i'll PM ya now.
@@bosnianbill hey bossman what material is your picks made from? I’m essentially a brand newbie and have been making mine out of coat hangers. I’ve opened several locks with them but would like a more professional set of picks without breaking the bank, so I was going to make my own. Any suggestions? Much appreciated!
I have this exact same lock I’m attempting to pick right now. It really upsets me that you can just open it no problem, yet I’ve spent days on it now lol
Same. Mine is older, but I'm not getting feedback from it. I seem to run out of options.
@@breaddrinker keep trucking dude you’ll get it. Finally got mine open a few days ago.
So I’ve tried opening this monster again. It’s been about 3 months since I opened it without success. I’ve found out that I can throw it just short of 80 yards. 😂
@@darenmiller2218 ha.. Yeah I even bought some blanks to attempt to get a working key on mine.. But currently shelved.
Easily the hardest lock I've tried so far, and on paper I've opened some classed higher..
I managed to open a 5200 with the longer shackle with a nail and a bobby pin. And I gutted it to make sure it was not a defective one with shallow serrations.
Took me an hour and a half and i didnt even realize i got it open. I hate these locks.
I have a 5200 with all spool uppers and serrated key pins. I have not been able to pick it. Was only able to disassemble with the key.
+bosnianbill I have been trying to pick it for 2 days. I think the third pin is what is holding me back. It is so tall that it's nearly at the shear line with no key. I think I am over setting it every time. What I did is put No. 3 in by itself and I still over set it. You may laugh but this is my first lock to try with security pins. I've only been picking about a month.
@@13Jimdp where you able to pick it open? I am having the exact same issue
@@darenmiller2218 I have yet to pick my lock open. I eventually gave up. I believe it takes a great deal of practice and understanding how the spools feel when they are false set.
I’ve only made my own picks. Maybe if I bought some that would help. You’re right though, it takes incredible skill to pick this thing open.
@@darenmiller2218 I do have a set of Sparrows lock picks. They do make it considerably better than homemade picks. But this lock has eluded me since I started. Do you have a key that will open the lock? I'm thinking if we can disassemble the core and only leave 1 set of pins in and try to pick it get used to how it feels, then add another and try, then another and so on.
This might sounds weird. But for some reason my 5200 just won't let me tension the core. I am very... And I mean VERY new to this. But I feel like I understand enough of what's going on to know that for my 5200 it isn't tensioning.
It may be jammed up and in need of oil.
I get what a safety wafer is but what do you mean "extra wafer breakers"?
I know this is a old video.. But after seeing this i went and bought one of these. Majorly disappointed. After opening it way too easy, i decided to take it apart. It has 1 security pin in the #1 position. Al the rest are standards. Highly disappointed. Makes me want to make a challenge out of it. The date code on it is QNJF5. I was looking for a lock full of serrated pins to practice on. Do you have any recommendations?
find an old lock, pre master lock
Bird718 is right. After Master took over the production line for American padlocks, they changed the cores and dumbed down the pinnings.
Again I would love to see more detail of what exact pics you're using this wasn't too bad for intricate but usually it's hard to tell thanks be blessed
That looks like it might be a peterson gem but you're right tough to say.
Oh man i have to pick it but i'm still a beginner.. That's gonna take a while.. Uh..
Good video mate! I got a 5200 since I'm a small boy, good quality I'd say.
Hay bosnianbill I have a question I have a chance to buy 3 American lock series 3601 with kwikset Cors or for $40 dollars less I can buy kwikset smart key padlock for my gates would u give ur personal advice on this matter in other words which is more Security able
I'd opt for the American 5200 locks over the Kwikset. There are simply too many bypasses for the Kwikset that are becoming more common.
Bosnianbill, i was gutting the core of the American 5200, and stupidly forgot to put the key pins back in before inserting into the bible. all of the top pins have now fallen into the core, how do i fix this?
+bosnianbill thank you very much for the help.
As a Mechanical Engineer how did lock picking become a career for you?
Hi, Is there anyway that I could send you a 5200 series lock to pick? I’ve tried hundreds of times I just can’t pick it, I can’t pick American locks at all I’ve tried many of them, I picked one once. I would send a stamp or a label so you could send the lock 🔒 back to me.
No way! That is YOUR lock and it has some important lessons to impart. The only way you will learn them is to practice on that lock until you figure out how to deal with serrated pins. If you send it to me to open, NEITHER of us will learn anything...😋 Never give away a lock that you have not opened, otherwise you forfeit whatever secrets it holds for you. Oh yeah, you'll never get better either.
Bosnianbill, thanks for getting back to me. Do you have another website where you communicate with people? Like where I could send you pictures of the pic and tension wrench that I’m using and you tell me if it’s good or not. I’ve tried to pick American locks hundreds of times with success one time. I have collected about 30 quality American locks (not made by master lock) and I just can’t pick them. And I swear I’ve tried hundreds of times for hours on end over the course years.
@@davidooch bosnianbill1@gmail
Bill lied about Master locks