I misspoke when I said ricochet will give more range even though I have high cal! That was my bad :o still can get 70 range with other combos so nothing changes
So, Luna with Icarus is 60 AE, so if you run Extended Mag, it takes it to 70; stacking Thread of Ascent on as well gives you 100 AE. Ball out with that gamer
When i was on ps4 i felt like precision 140 where the best due to fov. Now at 105 fov they feel soooo off it's insane lol. The two taps in quickplay is fun with Howl but i want it for 3s with slideshot,p.i for 36m 3 taps.
If you max out the range on it with Full Bore, +5 range perk of choice and Range Masterwork you get 71 range which is the same as Not Forgotten. What I thought it was interesting is that you can roll Heal Clip + a damage perk and it has many, obviously including Magnificent Howl, or you could go Opening Shot aswell. Only annoying thing is the recoil animation that is still from an 180, I really wish they would just change that but it is what it is.
@@MavicAVF It's a predictable kick, that covers the center of the screen when you shoot with the gun model, which isn't an issue for controller players since there's reticle stickiness, but on MnK it's just a hinderance on a moving target. MnK has had the same problem for a long time with 3-round burst sidearms aswell, but there have been recent adjustments to those that make it easier to land shots.
I love this weapon so much. Its a 180 rpm so hitting shots is practically free with it (helps that each vullet doesnt send the reticle halfway up the screen it time it shoots), but it has the same damage as a 140, and it fires at 140, so you have even more time to correct a shot than you would on a 180.
I am usually terrible with handcannons in pvp but lunas feels absolutely amazing. Absolute night and day difference from any other hand cannon I’ve ever used
It’s honestly mid ngl. The 2 taps are WAY harder to get than 2 taps with Igni. And if you’re a hunter with ace on solar then your 2 taps are easier to get aswell. Lunas is good. But no where near anything broken
Full bore, ricochet and range masterwork is 71. Before enhanced perks, that's identical stats to not forgotten with 15 more handling. Hammer forged is 66, small bore 63. Range
I've just got a great roll: Smallbore, Ricochet rounds, Eye of the storm, Magnificent howl and handling MW. I am very impressed with how stable it is. I can shoot non-stop and the grouping is almost perfect (dead center). I wish I had a bit more range though. I'll be looking for a rolls with subsistence, heal clip, incandescent, desperate measures.
@@mrdenying9183 Yes. That's how I got it and got impressed with how good that is. I got other rolls with more range which are also good. I am looking for subsistence/incandescent combo with good range for PVE.
Boy oh boy where do I even begin. Saywallahbruh... honey, my pookie bear. I have loved you ever since I first laid eyes on you. The way you grapple into the paint and strike fear into your enemies eyes. Your silky smooth touch with strand, and that gorgeous suspend dive. I would do anything for you. I wish it were possible to freeze time so I would never have to watch you retire. You had a rough childhood, but you never gave up hope. You are even amazing off of destiny, u were insane at the finals too, sometimes I even call you daddy. I forever dread and weep, thinking of the day you will one day retire. I would sacrifice my own life it were the only thing that could put a smile on your beautiful face. You have given me so much joy, and heartbreak over the years. I remember whenever you dont post and its like my heart gets broken into a million pieces. But a tear still fell from my right eye when I watched you carry yunger, because deep down, my glorious king deserves it. I just wanted you to return home. Then allas, you did, my sweet baby boy came home and I rejoiced. 2015 was a hard year for us baby, but in 2023 you made history happen. You clutched up with jim teammates in that one game on rusted lands and I couldn't believe it. I was crying, bawling even, and I heard my glorious king exclaim these words, "GARY, THIS IS FOR YOU!" Not only have you changed the game of destiny and the world forever, but you've eternally changed my world. And now you're getting older, but still the goat, my goat. I love you pookie bear, my glorious king, Saywallahbruh♥️🫶🏻
I wanna like it so bad. It obviously has the rpm as a 140, but the recoil and how it shoots is still like a 180 and it’s throwing me off. It’s so weird.
Hunter with knuckle can get it to 80 ae i think or its at 70 i dont remember how much it is. But locks with ophidians will be at 85 with just heat rises equipped not even using the grenade proc
If you were on ps5 I'd let you try my roll. It's 4 out of 5 based on what you said. It woukd help me to know if it's worth keeping based on your review.
If you’re running thread of accent doesn’t that improve your AE as well? You won’t need to be on warlock to get near max AE while also giving the gun better handling.
Unfortunately my xbox decided the stop working yesterday after i crashed midgame onslaught😢 hope yall get good rolls because i ain't even getting the gun💔
The only thing that bothers me is that piece thats hanging on bottom of the barrel. Regardless, this nightmare of a hand cannon is one i'll be farming for the most.
The shot spread is easier to hit on stasis because its shaped like a pyramid, compared to the solar shot which is round and pellets can miss a bit more often
All I wanted was for this and Not Forgotten to be the best and stay the best, with how much work it took to unlock it deserved to be the king. But bungie had to be clowns.
I hate the recoil so much... It covers my opponents movement. All it takes is a change in strafe, or a quick crouch, or an Explosive flinch, and I'm dead meat. It feels like such a liability. 😭 Feels like a massive let down. It feels so bad without Zen Moment. Good thing Not Forgotten is getting un-sunset. 😔
8:27 The recoil makes visibility so bad that Wallah is pulling the entire gun down after each shot just so he can see his target and flick back to them. 180 recoil is blinding and terrible...
Never got Luna's Howl or Not Forgotten because I was absolute dogwater at pvp and didn't feel like tearing my hair out in the old old competitive playlist and also the fact it was a 180 handcannon stopped me from pulling it from the monument after it was sunset. Now that I've gotten relatively better at pvp and it's a 140 with precision frame stats I'm happy to give it a try and maybe have a new main handcannon
The recoil is blinding you. Normal 140s kick out of the way and give you significant visibility between shots so you can see your opponent moving... Luna's gets in your way and covers them up. Its a small difference on paper but it loses duels...
@@ShaoShaoMienshao that’s exactly what I was explaining to my friend. He said how “that’s impossible because it has such little recoil” but I told him that the normal recoil literally moves the gun out of the way so you can see what you’re shooting. Good to know I’m not alone here lmaoo
@@MegaBeanHead0 At 8:27 you can see Wallah actually pulling the gun down out of the way just so he can see what he's shooting at, the recoil is very blinding and will probably take me a week to get used to if I even bother lol
I misspoke when I said ricochet will give more range even though I have high cal! That was my bad :o still can get 70 range with other combos so nothing changes
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What in your opinion would be a "God Roll"? For me, I think it'd be:
Smallbore
R. Rounds
Encore
Precision Instrument
Range Master
So, Luna with Icarus is 60 AE, so if you run Extended Mag, it takes it to 70; stacking Thread of Ascent on as well gives you 100 AE. Ball out with that gamer
Wallah doesn’t even realize that heat rises gives almost max ae so you don’t really need high ae
I just had surgery, so I can't play with this gun yet. So I'm glad there's a video of it already. Thanks bud.
Hope you be good in no time mate 🙏
keep your head up bro 🙌🏼
hoping for a smooth swift recovery good luck
Skill issue
God bless brother hope you’re doing better!
Something about a 140 shooting like a 180 will forever throw me off. I know its better like this but damn is it weird.
When i was on ps4 i felt like precision 140 where the best due to fov.
Now at 105 fov they feel soooo off it's insane lol.
The two taps in quickplay is fun with Howl but i want it for 3s with slideshot,p.i for 36m 3 taps.
It’s power creep
It's great but it feels awful. Hope we get a normal 140 with Mag Howl
As a 180 main this is a huge W, 10k kills on survivors epitaph
This shit feels so whack to me
high cal gives the same range bonus as rico rounds.
Oh yeah I misspoke on that part! My bad
Isn’t Rico+5 and High cal +10?
@@jamesdegroat9101both are +5 if you want +10 you need accurized roounds
@@jamesdegroat9101 +5 range on both. ricochet gives +10 stability, high cal more flinch on the target.
If you max out the range on it with Full Bore, +5 range perk of choice and Range Masterwork you get 71 range which is the same as Not Forgotten. What I thought it was interesting is that you can roll Heal Clip + a damage perk and it has many, obviously including Magnificent Howl, or you could go Opening Shot aswell. Only annoying thing is the recoil animation that is still from an 180, I really wish they would just change that but it is what it is.
was wondering why the recoil looked off
Change the recoil? Bro that’s the best part about it, I hate the regular animation of adaptive or other ones, how can you hate a predictable kick?
@@MavicAVF That's what I'm saying!! Everyone seems to prefer to guess where it's going rather than have a predictable one??
@@MavicAVF It's a predictable kick, that covers the center of the screen when you shoot with the gun model, which isn't an issue for controller players since there's reticle stickiness, but on MnK it's just a hinderance on a moving target. MnK has had the same problem for a long time with 3-round burst sidearms aswell, but there have been recent adjustments to those that make it easier to land shots.
@@MavicAVF I mean Midnight Coup has a predictable kick too. I think what you meant to say was that Lunas has no kick lol.
I love this weapon so much. Its a 180 rpm so hitting shots is practically free with it (helps that each vullet doesnt send the reticle halfway up the screen it time it shoots), but it has the same damage as a 140, and it fires at 140, so you have even more time to correct a shot than you would on a 180.
I am usually terrible with handcannons in pvp but lunas feels absolutely amazing. Absolute night and day difference from any other hand cannon I’ve ever used
I love that it still has that stable / sticky feel of a 180
My biggest gripe with this gun is how low the site sits on the gun model would be a little bit better if you could see more of your opponent
Knucklehead radar gives 20 AE, and also helps pinpoint enemies when jumping corners for some more help.
Watch this hand cannon destroy the crucible like it once did....
It will
Everyone gonna run this with conditional now
With how busted it originally was, I don't think it'll be back to absolutely broken status
It’s honestly mid ngl. The 2 taps are WAY harder to get than 2 taps with Igni. And if you’re a hunter with ace on solar then your 2 taps are easier to get aswell. Lunas is good. But no where near anything broken
Gary poppin off!
Slide shot & lunas howl is rediculous love my roll it’s amazing
Full bore, ricochet and range masterwork is 71. Before enhanced perks, that's identical stats to not forgotten with 15 more handling.
Hammer forged is 66, small bore 63. Range
And with better perks
Heat rises, when active, gives 70 ae
This HC does not feel like a 140 at all. I personally love it
Luna’s Howl, my beloved ❤️
I've just got a great roll: Smallbore, Ricochet rounds, Eye of the storm, Magnificent howl and handling MW. I am very impressed with how stable it is. I can shoot non-stop and the grouping is almost perfect (dead center). I wish I had a bit more range though. I'll be looking for a rolls with subsistence, heal clip, incandescent, desperate measures.
Bungie literally GIVES that roll
@@mrdenying9183 Yes. That's how I got it and got impressed with how good that is. I got other rolls with more range which are also good. I am looking for subsistence/incandescent combo with good range for PVE.
You get that from completing Luna's Howl's quest, it is pretty good.
@@SirScrumply Yes, I was not aware everyone would get the same roll. I think that is good for the player-base.
Boy oh boy where do I even begin. Saywallahbruh... honey, my pookie bear. I have loved you ever since I first laid eyes on you. The way you grapple into the paint and strike fear into your enemies eyes. Your silky smooth touch with strand, and that gorgeous suspend dive. I would do anything for you. I wish it were possible to freeze time so I would never have to watch you retire. You had a rough childhood, but you never gave up hope. You are even amazing off of destiny, u were insane at the finals too, sometimes I even call you daddy. I forever dread and weep, thinking of the day you will one day retire. I would sacrifice my own life it were the only thing that could put a smile on your beautiful face. You have given me so much joy, and heartbreak over the years. I remember whenever you dont post and its like my heart gets broken into a million pieces. But a tear still fell from my right eye when I watched you carry yunger, because deep down, my glorious king deserves it. I just wanted you to return home. Then allas, you did, my sweet baby boy came home and I rejoiced. 2015 was a hard year for us baby, but in 2023 you made history happen. You clutched up with jim teammates in that one game on rusted lands and I couldn't believe it. I was crying, bawling even, and I heard my glorious king exclaim these words, "GARY, THIS IS FOR YOU!" Not only have you changed the game of destiny and the world forever, but you've eternally changed my world. And now you're getting older, but still the goat, my goat. I love you pookie bear, my glorious king, Saywallahbruh♥️🫶🏻
yo get in line we were here first
Lewalluh
Shrek is love shrek is life vibes
I ain't readin all that
weirdo
Demolishes team the whole game "Yeah this team just didn't bank the whole time idk what's going on" love it😂
It shoots like a 180 still. I haven't shot a 180 since the original LH.
slideshot precision instrument BROOOOOO
I just got that roll with smallbore and rico..the only downside was I got a reload masterwork
What makes precision instrument worth getting over magnificent howl?
The consistency of precision instrument is way better than the sudden 50% of magnificent unless your pub stomping@@shawnpetersen1204
@@shawnpetersen1204consistency and don’t require a kill
already I got the same's roll you looking for it. with range masterwork, it's really amazing.
Slideshot/Precision Instrument roll got me acting up 🤫😩
This is really making me want to download Destiny again....
It still looks like it's got that 180 Recoil, this is gonna be fun
the recoil is killing the feeling for me
Knucklehead radar also gives +20 to all weapons so that would push this even further in the AE department
Astrocyte + icarus gives 90 AE if enjoy the pain of blink 👍
@wallah what's your take on full bore for 1st slot? I feel like hammer full bore are the best in slot because of the lack of range
You weren't lying about the return being worth it man!
Magnificent Howl is still the perk
Got one with hammer forged, high cal, slideshot, precision and a range mw and it’s shiny
trust, use the full auto setting on this for MnK, world of a difference for the recoil
Do you think they'll put magnificent howl on a 180 again?
Can't decide what perk to use in last column, love the gun though!
Magnificent Howl is so strong tbh
@@BuckalloBill i mean not really its still 3 tap
@@jaimydamen6956 not when u actually get kills lmao. I run radiant lucky pants and it’s crzzz
Should try a slide shot and howl roll its way better than that
All these streamers are sleeping on Slideshot, Opening shot 💀
i dropped a we ran with my very first game with lunas. the best 140 imo
Wallah iv got a 5/5 if you would like to use it ( fluted,ricochet,slide,opening and range masterwork )
Gary was putting in work
I wanna like it so bad. It obviously has the rpm as a 140, but the recoil and how it shoots is still like a 180 and it’s throwing me off. It’s so weird.
First roll I got has encore and prediction instruments.
Difference between 60 and 70 range is one meter
Great vid, What would be your 5/5 God roll?
Bruh got a sword at level 2720, my guess is he never took this thing off even for once.
Hunter with knuckle can get it to 80 ae i think or its at 70 i dont remember how much it is. But locks with ophidians will be at 85 with just heat rises equipped not even using the grenade proc
IF you do get a god roll soon, could you make a separate video for it? Or perhaps just a mini-video on it..? Much obliged if you do.
i wouldnt even care if it had bad perks im just happy its back
I just hate how bungie made the luna’s howl’s rpm from 180 to 140, I just hate the way it feels now, compared to the 180
I saved up 1000 tokens and i pulled 15 lunas and not one of them were worth keeping i have a bad feeling about this :(
777 for me and same
Fluted, rico, slideshot opening shot range mw. Max range max aa
If you have slide shot and magnificent howl will the stacks keep increasing until you reload even when you are sliding?
Yep arguably the best perk combo for mag howl if not the best perks
Bro I cant seem to get one with Precision INtrument. Im so done with Brave RNG
Shame Not Forgotten didn't get this treatment
Does slideshot proc howl after all?
Can’t help but try to shoot it faster than it can fire, just still feels like it should have 180 rpm
If you were on ps5 I'd let you try my roll. It's 4 out of 5 based on what you said. It woukd help me to know if it's worth keeping based on your review.
he didnt even mention mag howl 2 tapping
@SayWallahBruh heat rises give iirc 30 AE passively and 60-70 while perk is active (consumed grenade)
Got full bore ricochet slide opening master reload shiny too
If you’re running thread of accent doesn’t that improve your AE as well? You won’t need to be on warlock to get near max AE while also giving the gun better handling.
intro goes hard
Unfortunately my xbox decided the stop working yesterday after i crashed midgame onslaught😢 hope yall get good rolls because i ain't even getting the gun💔
Richo and high cal give the same range bonus
Mine has slide shot and Kill clip, is that decent?
Flared and Corkscrew are the other perks btw
Peeps on reddit saying Precision instrument doesnt let it 2c1b. True ??
Is magnificent howl worth going for?
@MXG2809 ok thanks, I will try and get a god roll with magnificent howl for 6 v 6 and then Wallah's roll for trials
@MXG2809 I will keep that in mind when grinding for it thanks!
I got the 5/5 yesterday
The only thing that bothers me is that piece thats hanging on bottom of the barrel.
Regardless, this nightmare of a hand cannon is one i'll be farming for the most.
It's 80 AE with Heat Rises.
It's ludicrous ^_^
12 seconds into the match: Defeated Christ Is King
Wait precision instrument over magnificent howl?
Yeah wallah is dumb sometimes
Seems to visually shoot like a 180. Must be the precision frame?
its been that way since they switched it from a 180 to a 140 years ago.
I would use Full Bore
Magnificent howl two taps Lmao it's so goos
Did you say that conditional is better on the stasis shot than the solar shot? If so why and how?
The shot spread is easier to hit on stasis because its shaped like a pyramid, compared to the solar shot which is round and pellets can miss a bit more often
i knew it, wallah is gary and gary is wallah, its his alter ego :o
Wallah you are a freaking mad man
Is it me or does lunas flinch you more than a 120?
Nf is still the best hc, but the only thing is we need to wait till final shape to bring it up to power
*The Other Half "weapon level 2720"*
My Wallah in Christ go touch some fucking grass 😂
Great comment!
Why not full bore instead of your arrowhead?
He looooves handling
Maybe if u didn't kill everyone they could bank
All I wanted was for this and Not Forgotten to be the best and stay the best, with how much work it took to unlock it deserved to be the king. But bungie had to be clowns.
Pretty sure precision instrument isn’t the go to compared to mag howl
a consistency perk vs a win more perk. In 6s mag howl, in 3s precision instrument
Good against new lights
I hate the recoil so much... It covers my opponents movement. All it takes is a change in strafe, or a quick crouch, or an Explosive flinch, and I'm dead meat. It feels like such a liability. 😭
Feels like a massive let down. It feels so bad without Zen Moment. Good thing Not Forgotten is getting un-sunset. 😔
Movement is ✨
8:27 The recoil makes visibility so bad that Wallah is pulling the entire gun down after each shot just so he can see his target and flick back to them. 180 recoil is blinding and terrible...
Am I the only one that genuinely doesn't like how this gun feels? The recoil really throws me off
I hate the way it fires 😭
Never got Luna's Howl or Not Forgotten because I was absolute dogwater at pvp and didn't feel like tearing my hair out in the old old competitive playlist and also the fact it was a 180 handcannon stopped me from pulling it from the monument after it was sunset. Now that I've gotten relatively better at pvp and it's a 140 with precision frame stats I'm happy to give it a try and maybe have a new main handcannon
The stability really throws me off. Can’t seem to hit shots as well with it compared to other 140s. Might just need to use it more ig
Definitely have to use it more. A 140 having the recoil of a 180 takes a bit of getting used to
@@jonahbrown5669 for sure. Might be better to use it in full auto rather than tap firing for now.
The recoil is blinding you. Normal 140s kick out of the way and give you significant visibility between shots so you can see your opponent moving... Luna's gets in your way and covers them up. Its a small difference on paper but it loses duels...
@@ShaoShaoMienshao that’s exactly what I was explaining to my friend. He said how “that’s impossible because it has such little recoil” but I told him that the normal recoil literally moves the gun out of the way so you can see what you’re shooting.
Good to know I’m not alone here lmaoo
@@MegaBeanHead0 At 8:27 you can see Wallah actually pulling the gun down out of the way just so he can see what he's shooting at, the recoil is very blinding and will probably take me a week to get used to if I even bother lol
180 recoil pattern is enough for me to pass
Wait how can u see your ae on the side of the screen?
They added a while back. Cant remember when.
honestly I wish I could turn it off
It only appears when you have Icarus Grip equipped on the weapon
Why is no one talking about SBMM Being removed ? lol check every game mode bottom left says doesn’t take into account skill
Throw on speedloader slacks and a discord sniper and completely ignore ae penalties lol
It's so obvious that this is Gary's gameplay.
Yayy, my crucible opinion has arrived