I would LOVE to see the outtakes from this scene! I'd bet Brent had them all cracking up the whole time, i wouldn't be surprised if he ad-libbed the "baby needs a new pair of shoes" line.
The real question to me is whether the aliens who built the “Casino Royale” rigged the dice because it was specifically mentioned in the book, because they managed to infer it from the fact that it was a probably-shady casino in the given time period, or because they initially made the dice fair but the “humans” inside were sufficiently intelligent and autonomous that at some point they rigged them themselves.
Or, the dice are actually fair...which is "improperly balanced" from Data and Riker and Worf's perspective. Data "fixes" them to get the results they need to win enough to buy the casino.
@@Gabronthe An honourable warrior does not attack a defenceless opponent. He would at least have to challange him to a fight to the death for possession of the chips first.
A supercomputer like data would be able to calculate the exact force required to roll the dice in a certain way that they would land on a desired number.
from my point of view, if you look at the way he's doing it in the begining, he makes the 2 throws calculating their final resting position, but he had into account dice that were properly balanced. These dice, as they are part of the casino, are obviously rigged, which is why they were not balanced. After the second attempt, you can see he realises it wasnt possible for his calculations to be wrong, and so he begins making the throws in a different way. Now, we don't really know what happens there, but from what i can tell, there are 2 posible explanations: 1) Data is making the throws calculating with the different centers of mass. When he closes the hand is just to reposition the dice in a certain way without making it obvious that he was trying to rig the throw. 2) Crushing the dice is somehow making them rearrange the center of mass to the faces the wants them to, so that the dice will always face the number he wants. How does he do that? We dont really know, but he was asked if he could "fix them" which i interpret as changing them in some way. So maybe, he is somehow applying a crushing force that is making the weight that was added inside of the dice to rig them move to a different location in his advantage. I have heard number 2 a lot being said from people, but i personally believe option 1 is by far much more credible.
@@AlFredo-sx2yy The reason why #2 is the go-to is because we see Data squeeze the dice multiple times in a controlled fashion. However, we only see this before the third throw, so it's more likely he brings the dice back into balance (unloading them, rather than loading them in his favor), and then falls back to calculated throws like he started with.
@@VestedUTuber i dunno, i believe the most logical and possible explanation might be that data just recalculated the new center of mass of the dice. But we do see him crushing the dice and we know he can bend metal bars so i guess that he bring the dice back into balance before making the new throws.
That’s the idea. The conceit of the episode is that they’re in a world created by aliens based on a sleazy pulp novel set in Vegas; the plot involving the man and the woman is that they’re having an affair while plotting to steal from and then murder her husband.
2:29 It's possible that because this was so early in the series, the character was still being fleshed out, but I really want to believe Brent Spiner ad-libbed that whole part. 🤣
He needs to adjust his gambling subroutines... The roulette wheel would have payed out better. StartPos \ (velocity mm/sec)* cos(radius/pi) / (# of slots / {always bet on black}) = WINNER ding ding ding.
@@TerminianLinkVT bc data is a dice throwing robot that can land any number he wants whenever he wants. casino would go broke in about an hour if you only had the min bet and you kept doubling it up like they did
@@twig4661 and yet the Casino was using loaded dice, as mentioned when Data brings up the unbalanced cubes. Data isnt cheating, but playing with the rules the casino is following. Just like the Kobayashi Maru, in a no win scenario you stop playing by the rules and start playing for the pot
Everything in the casino runs by the rules of the original story. They’re (accidentally) playing the part of side characters who aren’t written to have been kicked out, so they’re not. Of course in a real world casino, even just winning that much would make you liable to be removed whether you were using trick dice or not. With your winnings, but very much without permission to come back.
Well they're trying to cheat I guess cheaters never prosper but data seems to be able to do it pretty good. I guess if you are a cheater it's better to be beaten by a cheater no. It's still a pretty good video.
I would LOVE to see the outtakes from this scene! I'd bet Brent had them all cracking up the whole time, i wouldn't be surprised if he ad-libbed the "baby needs a new pair of shoes" line.
You nearly KNOW he did....lmao
He did do just that lol
Plus the finger snap lol very uncharacteristic showing off. I have a feeling he had a blast filming this scene hehe
I just love the woman just going "yeah" the whole time
perfect haha!
When your ships are 360p and planets are in 144p.
damn dude lol!!!
"Baby needs a new pair of shoes." Luv it.
Worf has absolutely no idea what is going on at the end. Not in terms of the gambling, but because Data is having fun
Typical Klingon high level security behavior
There is a certain degree of random fortune involved. I believe that is why they call it gambling.
Yeah.
There is something hilarious about someone being referred to as Commander around a craps table
The real question to me is whether the aliens who built the “Casino Royale” rigged the dice because it was specifically mentioned in the book, because they managed to infer it from the fact that it was a probably-shady casino in the given time period, or because they initially made the dice fair but the “humans” inside were sufficiently intelligent and autonomous that at some point they rigged them themselves.
Or, the dice are actually fair...which is "improperly balanced" from Data and Riker and Worf's perspective. Data "fixes" them to get the results they need to win enough to buy the casino.
Maybe the aliens just had poor QC or wide tolerance margins in their dice factory.
All dice are improperly balanced, unless the dots are painted on rather than dimples, even then still technically not balanced
Gambling scenes with Data are my all time favorite in TNG.
I love how Worf remains unimpressed the entire time.
That's his game face.
A true Klingon would have just headbutted the dealer and taken all the chips.
@@Gabronthe LOL
@@Gabronthe disagree , their is no honor in it
@@Gabronthe An honourable warrior does not attack a defenceless opponent. He would at least have to challange him to a fight to the death for possession of the chips first.
A supercomputer like data would be able to calculate the exact force required to roll the dice in a certain way that they would land on a desired number.
That's exactly what he's doing at the end.
Doesn't look like he knows their starting position, though.
from my point of view, if you look at the way he's doing it in the begining, he makes the 2 throws calculating their final resting position, but he had into account dice that were properly balanced. These dice, as they are part of the casino, are obviously rigged, which is why they were not balanced. After the second attempt, you can see he realises it wasnt possible for his calculations to be wrong, and so he begins making the throws in a different way. Now, we don't really know what happens there, but from what i can tell, there are 2 posible explanations:
1) Data is making the throws calculating with the different centers of mass. When he closes the hand is just to reposition the dice in a certain way without making it obvious that he was trying to rig the throw.
2) Crushing the dice is somehow making them rearrange the center of mass to the faces the wants them to, so that the dice will always face the number he wants. How does he do that? We dont really know, but he was asked if he could "fix them" which i interpret as changing them in some way. So maybe, he is somehow applying a crushing force that is making the weight that was added inside of the dice to rig them move to a different location in his advantage.
I have heard number 2 a lot being said from people, but i personally believe option 1 is by far much more credible.
@@AlFredo-sx2yy
The reason why #2 is the go-to is because we see Data squeeze the dice multiple times in a controlled fashion. However, we only see this before the third throw, so it's more likely he brings the dice back into balance (unloading them, rather than loading them in his favor), and then falls back to calculated throws like he started with.
@@VestedUTuber i dunno, i believe the most logical and possible explanation might be that data just recalculated the new center of mass of the dice. But we do see him crushing the dice and we know he can bend metal bars so i guess that he bring the dice back into balance before making the new throws.
The "robot in vegas" trope is an old favorite... XD
What other movies has a robot in Vegas? Rainman isn’t a robot lol
@@lastEvergreen Futurama
Always love Data's reaction in his third 7
clickity clack clickity clack. data is straight gangsta.
2:28 ...and the robot became a real life boy
At 0:38, you can see the camera dolly and jeans of the cameraman in the card table mirror
I'm just laughing at this scene thinking about how those three are dressed in an actual casino
Double-snap
OMG *melts*
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Anyone else think the overenthusiastic Texan gambling gentleman comes across as a little creepy to his partner in these scenes?
That’s the idea. The conceit of the episode is that they’re in a world created by aliens based on a sleazy pulp novel set in Vegas; the plot involving the man and the woman is that they’re having an affair while plotting to steal from and then murder her husband.
He played the retired Texas ranger in the tv show. Walker Texas ranger.
2:29 It's possible that because this was so early in the series, the character was still being fleshed out, but I really want to believe Brent Spiner ad-libbed that whole part. 🤣
Data Gambling, possibly one of my Favourite ST:NG Moments.
No emotions, my motherboard!
"Single digits on each cube, are not at all desirable." -Data
He got me those shoes. :D *in dreamland*
man the texture on that planet is super blurry. i dont remember it being that burry in the 90s.
I know it's an old comment, but we didn't have LCD TV's or high def back then.. XD
This is funny as hell, I'm viewer #7,777. *Buys lottery ticket*
ShadowsOfLight6
Runin’ down the highway, half past 11.
Waitin’ for my odometer to roll straight 7s.
I’m a lucky man.
- Bruce Springsteen
-nod- Yeah!
lol datas face
He is too cute! You are by far the last person who thinks he's adorable! Brent Spiner is good looking.
Hysterical!! ⚂⚃
2:47 and 2:56 data is soo cute
I'd like to see data play full tilt poker
Honestly, can Data get cuter at this point?
like a bawss
He needs to adjust his gambling subroutines... The roulette wheel would have payed out better.
StartPos \ (velocity mm/sec)* cos(radius/pi) / (# of slots / {always bet on black}) = WINNER ding ding ding.
OMG!!! This is awesome.
The official German syncro is so lame...
🎲🎲🎲🎲🎲💵💵💵💵💵💰💰💰💰💰🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
isnt that cheating though? how are they not thrown out?
What is cheating
@@TerminianLinkVT bc data is a dice throwing robot that can land any number he wants whenever he wants. casino would go broke in about an hour if you only had the min bet and you kept doubling it up like they did
@@twig4661 and yet the Casino was using loaded dice, as mentioned when Data brings up the unbalanced cubes. Data isnt cheating, but playing with the rules the casino is following. Just like the Kobayashi Maru, in a no win scenario you stop playing by the rules and start playing for the pot
Everything in the casino runs by the rules of the original story. They’re (accidentally) playing the part of side characters who aren’t written to have been kicked out, so they’re not.
Of course in a real world casino, even just winning that much would make you liable to be removed whether you were using trick dice or not. With your winnings, but very much without permission to come back.
2:33
Well they're trying to cheat I guess cheaters never prosper but data seems to be able to do it pretty good. I guess if you are a cheater it's better to be beaten by a cheater no. It's still a pretty good video.
No.
No what
@@TerminianLinkVT NO SOUP FOR YOU