That thing MOVES. It's kind of a special treat when you come across a 400+HP Speed3. Typically, most people do basic bolt-ons and get around 300-330HP. But to see one that's been fully built and running on E85 isn't something you see often.
***** I followed a guy on Instagram before he deleted his account and he had, probably around the same HP as this one, a 2nd gen Speed3 with slicks and ran 11 seconds 1/4 mile. I'd imagine this guy's Speed3 would run high 11's or low 12's.
jeffS197 I was thinking the same thing. So much unnecessary commotion over brakes. And I doubt anyone preps their car for Matt to review for 7-10 minutes.
As a Gen1 MS3 owner since 2008, this video made me very happy. Very nicely modded car. I was thinking of doing similar power mods to what this guy did, than the RS was unveiled.
***** No, but I would do for the sticker price on the RS. Personally, I am fine with the power the K04 produces. I was only thinking of the bolt-on power increases to about 330hp max. Reason this guy spent $45k is due to having to constantly rebuild because of the high power output and probably pushes his car hard regularly.
DZEMAG This is NOT a well modded car lol. For 420WHP, it has a stock clutch, stock brakes, stock wheel/ tire width, stock catback, and a STOCK INTERCOOLER. Wat. Undoubtably fun to drive, but not necessarily a nicely modded car.
Caleb Marshall Thanks for your comment, but if you check out my wheel well page, you will see all the other mods that are on my car that weren't mentioned in the review. I am running a larger top mount intercooler which is covered by the oem engine cover and as far as the suspension and handling goes, I am running Ksport coilovers as well as BFG KDW tires that are wider than stock. And for the catback, there aren't any real hp gains to be made with an after market system besides being overly loud.
I've always wondered Matt, how do the drivers react after the take? Adrenaline pumped? Happy to get their car back? Ever been berated or praised for pushing the limits?
Personal experience, it's just cool to get the thoughts from someone who's opinion you respect like Matt's on your car. Especially since it is his first time seeing and driving it and he can give you a good unbiased opinion based upon the number of cars he drivers per year as an automotive journalist.
fortheloveofcake93 I've always wanted to see Matt push the cars a little harder. I know it's a public road and all, but I've never really seen him drive more than 6/10 or 7/10 in his one take videos.
Iain Murray Well, he redlined this car like six times in this video lol, floored it, hopped around a bit on the road, I'd say he pushed it far enough. He shouldn't go Stig mode, since it isn't his car. At least I wouldn't want him to go 10/10 or even 9/10 in my car lol. Still great videos
I was meaning through the corners, he seems quite tame, even more so in his other one takes. It was fast enough to be entertaining, but I've always wanted to see Matt push the cars a little harder. I personally would like to see if he could drive my car faster than me, especially if it's only for a 10 min session. Matt's a great guy though and I rarely miss his uploads.
It doesn't torque steer as much because of the power band. The 3076 shines up top, where you don't typically get torque steer. Whereas, the Speed in the video before had a BNR, which has a lot more torque down low in the RPM range - more torque steer.
Matt i have to say well done for doing something different with reviewing cars. It is good to see that you give feed back over peoples cars that have been modified to their liking. The fact that your honest makes the reviews more interesting. Some of the cars that you have reviewed clearly show that there are many car enthusiast in your community. I have a 2007 Mazda 6 MPS. I am planning to make some more modifications to it over the next couple of months. Seeing your insight to each and every car you review makes my choice with modifying my car easier. I want my car to have balance with enough power to make it move. I would like to see a review on the Mazda Speed 6 with some mods. I know that you are a fan of the car, any ways keep up the reviews. Its good to see someone doing something different.
This is one of the best One Takes yet. Not just the car choice, but the chemistry between the host/driver with the passager/owner. The guy has a bad ass car and he is really humble about it, get thoes brakes though!
MrGovenator1 The owner's a dumbass. He had the engine built, then kept everything else stock. Of course it's a money pit, the stock parts weren't meant for 400+ HP. I mean it's obvious he's an idiot, he's still running stock brakes with that power and is too cheap to replace a sensor to get TC and ABS working again.
firehawkws7 He's only had to replace turbos then get the engine built for power. You act like he's replacing transmissions left and right and putting in stock clutches weekly.
***** if he bought it new, it would have been $25kish, so that could be the case as well. Also, possible to spend more than $5k on three turbos if you have someone else do the work and stuff. Still seems kinda high though. Oh, he has different tires as well, hard to say what that cost him for sure, but that contributed, I assure you. I wore out the stock potenzas on mine when I had it in 30k miles, lol.
mazda has really come into its own since the partnership with Ford ended. All of their cars since 2014 and later are very refined with great interiors and great handling. the only thing they're missing is a car that makes big power. They have an RX concept but who knows if that will ever make production. I personally am hoping for a next gen speed3 using the engine from the new CX-9. So much potential in that engine especially with the great chassis of the 3rd gen Mazda 3. The new speed3 can potentially obliterate Ford focus ST/RS, WRX/STI, GTI/R, etc.
I have an 08.5 MS3 that I bought new and while I'm nowhere near 420 WHP, I'm also nowhere near 45k, including the original purchase price. I'm at 130k and have had essentially ZERO issues other than the basic maint. items (brakes, tires, oil, etc). Original Turbo and clutch too!
Same here. I only have 80k on my 09 MS3, but in the 5 years I have had it the only non maintenance thing I've had to replace was the gas cap which somehow got cross threaded on and stuck.
I have a few basic bolt on mods: Hypertech Tuner, Mazdaspeed CAI, RSB, JBarone Short Shifter. Appearance wise: HID's (sport, not GT) and yellow film over the fog lights, side moldings removed, tinted windows Debaged and the Mazda emblems are both plastidiped. Used to have some OEM RX8 wheels painted black, but I sold those and I'm back on my stock wheels. That's about it.
Ok so its likely this guy had bad luck I thought these were decently realiable if you didn't go crazy with the power. I would only do a stage 1 or stage 2 Cobb tune if I was to mess with it but being as the car would be a daily it might just stay stock
You can make this power for 4500 and I think thats really what he meant. BNR S4 kit is about 1500 bucks. Youll just need hpfp ($300), rear motor mount($100) , tune($500), exhaust($1000), fmic($600). I miss my 400whp speed3 :(
@@botdingoBOT DINGO Bullshit. You're not making 400whp on pump gas, and since when is a tune $500? An accessport is $650 and a professional tune is a couple hundred on top of that. Plus, you left out 3.5 bar map sensor, EBCS, TIP and intake, clutch kit, built motor.... A ms3 could reliably make closer to 350whp fully bolted with a good tune, but a stock block wouldn't last being daily driven with the type of power this guy's car is making. Realistically your build list should look like: -Acessport $650 -HPFP $350 -TIP and intake EBAY $100 -EBAY DP, 3 inch straight pipe $400 -CXracing FMIC $400 -3.5 bar map sensor $85 -Grimmspeed EBCS $125 -CS turbo $1100 -Professional tune $500
That guy was terrified the entire time. Hell, I was terrified just watching. Every time you got boost and that thing took off I thought you were going to torque steer off a cliff.
This car is ready. I agree good brakes are important but when you are building and maintaining a car like that for daily driving... You got my respect nice wagon.
There's mixed reaction to these one take videos but from what Matt says it seems it's mostly positive which I'm happy about... With these videos, the spectrum of cars that can be reviewed/shown/analysed/publicised is increased infinitely; I think this was mentioned on video at some point but let's not forget it. Reviewing new cars is great and we all want to see the most anticipated new releases on video, but this is great too, it's something different that we wouldn't otherwise see. Of course, lots of people think what I've just said, but I wanted to say it too.
thanks TheSmokingTire i did originally use the Dillon brand name in my comment but when i saw them at the end they didn't look like the usual ones you wear so edited out the name in case i was mistaken.
+The Strength Doc Ive seen them on 600-700 whp. the amount of power you can get out of it these days is insane. Honestly prefer the 2nd gen speed especially with body mods.
Lol, when Matt said it's a 1st gen, not the ugly one. I love the 2nd gen Speed3. This one looks more basic, so it's easier to look good. When you go over the top, people will either love it or hate it. But the 2nd gen ones look dope to me, hood scoop and all. And yea I heard these cars have the most torque steer. I've seen many crazy fast ones tho.
I had a 2009 MP3 with a few bolt-ons and a crap OTS tune. It only had like 283hp and was still so fun to drive in the canyons. Thing felt like a rocket. In this day in age of fast but soulless EV's, I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Wish I never sold mine!
Kyle: I would recommend some Porterfield R4s pads (Amazing daily, aggressive pads), stop-tech SS lines, and maybe some Motul fluid. That's the best you can do with stock calipers.
I really enjoyed this 1take. The guy seemed so laid back about everything and that's a really nicely done mazdaspeed3, it'd give a lot of wrxs a run for their money. Plus i like that it 170k on the clock meaning its been driven (which I don't feel like its alot, but I guess getting to drive mostly new cars all the time and the ones you own having little miles other than the lexus I can see why matt reacted the way he did
You must be fuckin stupid to think that a custom alignment can't alter those characteristics... Stick to firestone or wheelworks and the stock alignment specs dumbass
@@nissantech8857 camber and toe settings alter a cars turn in and coming out of a corner also under accel or decel. Not to also mention ride stiffness on front and rear
I really wish Mazda had put this engine in the RX8. That much power is certainly a hoot, but even more so when driving the rear wheels, leaving the fronts to simply steer and brake.
Oh hell yeah finally a MS3!!! Ever since my buddy had one for a few years and light bolt-on parts I was wondering why no one really tuned em XD Moving to a Focus ST I still like the power of the MS3 more, just doesn't handle as well
Here's the fun thing about these one takes: a totally unscripted and raw review of cars in a snapshot in time. Modified in ways that make sense in 2015, for our purpose. It will be wild to watch these in 20 years and see how times and preferences have changed.
I have a few questions. How is the rust? Yeah I know you guys are in Cali, but if you ever come to the east coast you'll see 5yo Mazdas that are crumbling apart, so I wouldn't even be surprised if they rusted in less-humid climate just by looking at it :o Have you had issues with carbon deposits that are inherent to DI, especially with a turbo? Especially considering your higher than stock boost and E85. The Ksport coilovers are a bit disappointing, though. There are plenty of better quality name brand options for the MS3.
With these films you are building a solid database of car reviews. Comparing heavily modified vs near stock and FWD vs RWD vs AWD. You are sitting on a gold mine Trebek.
#TheSmokingTire, you MUST do a Toyota MR-S with the Celica's 2ZZGE engine! It's a poorman's Lotus Elise with more comfort at half the price! Please get a shoutout to someone in the area and review it! TRUST me, you will LOVE it!
There aren't too many mods needed for this car to be amazing. You need larger injectors and better spark plugs for a turbo upgrade, like the 3071r. It would be wise to have a front mounted intercooler, and aem intake, and 3in full exhaust system. Also, a good power tune is advised. In all of that, your 0-60 should be like 4 seconds flat.
when he’s talking about it struggling to get traction when he adds boost what he’s feeling is the front tires pulling so hard it actually ends up dragging the rear tires at points
BJ, upgraded injectors for this platform don't exist, aside from the single set that was made for huge cost and used only briefly due to gains being minimal at best.
I know it's not readily available to you, but other than that, Ethanol is great. It's cheap race gas and cars gobble the shit out of it. We have reliable (70+) E at most pumps, and even though you get less mpgs, the price decrease actually makes it a bit more economical depending on price. Corn juice and injectors/tune was good for 70awhp on the LGT
'Have you done anything to the brakes?' 'No.' There's quite a few of these One Takes where that dialogue happens. What is the point in adding huge power if you can't use it? A car can't be truly fast unless it has brakes that can cope with it's power output. It should be the first thing you do!
Holy crap I was ear to ear smiles during the entire shoot.....well almost. Once he dropped the money pit info, my jaw dropped. I guess when you're pushing 400+ HP through a fwd car, that also is daily driven, you're bound to go through parts.
Even with badges, its a sleeper cuz peeps think its a regular slow Mazda 3. Only 3 owners know about Speed3. They think it just a grocery wagon driven by women.
Matt - I think the torque steer is less because of the spool characteristic of the larger turbo. Higher in the revs before the power comes.. the gear just unfolds and you're on to the next.. weeeee!
Wow! Booked until august! Please don't accept sponsors. LOL Or at least don't make it seem like it is sponsored and keep the quality "indie" enough to make it relatable to us mortals. Cheers from Philippines!
The gen 1 speed3 is way nicer inside and out.. Plus the steering and gearing.. Have a large dog.. Cant think of many other sub 30k Hatch/performance wagons that will fit her like one of these. The Sti/wrx hatches are tiny, as are the Ford St's. Any suggestions? Great car and video.. If I get one ill need to modify it close to this, minus e85
2009 Mazdaspeed3 owner here. It seems like finding a stock Speed3 in my area(Socal near Cobb Tuning) is like looking for a unicorn. So far I have got 62,000 miles of smiles with no issues. Just regular maintenance, gas and lots of summer tires. The sleeper look is a big plus since it is my DD. And it is all stock and staying that way. The 2017 awd Mazdaspeed3 is tempting though...
Justin Blanco So far, the car has no major issues. There are 3 minor things like creaky dashboard trim pieces, a burn fuse for the power outlet, and a slight gear whine when in 5th gear. A co-worker has a 2008 MS3 with 270,000 miles on it so far. The 2008/2009 models in stock form are relatively trouble free.
+Justin Blanco My '07 MS3 has been very reliable for 280,000 miles. Engine is all stock, but I beefed up the suspension damping to make it handle better. Although plenty will disagree, I don't really think an MS3 needs more power than stock or would handle it very well.
VAspeed3 Good to hear your MS3 has that many trouble free miles. It seems they are really reliable if left in stock form. But I'm not sure why the same engine in the CX7 is having so many issues. Maybe it was detuned improperly for 87 octane or the auto transmission setup?
Love my 2007 speed 3, I just hit 60k as the second owner this month. Only thing ive replaced is the thermostat. I'm going to do a bunch of maintenance soon with plugs, shocks and tires but so far its been flawless for me. I do notice now I get a little smoke on startup in the morning after the car sits over night, turbo seals? Anyone have any info on that?
***** Dude its not a race car, 400 at the front wheels is not practical in any way, who cares if it has massive brakes this car is only good for huge straight line pulls anyway
***** well it kinda depends on how you use it. if you like to start from the lights and that's it, the stock brakes will hold, but if you drive hard all the time, they will obviously overheat rapidly,so they need modification. in a 420hp car though you need them more than if it's a minor power upgrade.
***** i think the first thing you need to address is probably overheating, not the stopping power. that depends on the specificcar of course, but some stock cars stop surprisingly well, so you would need good rotors.
Is it possible to get away with a catless exhaust in L.A? I have an 03 cobra with Long Tube Headers off road X and bullet mufflers, I'm wondering if I need to add high flow cats? Or if I will be ok catless if I find the right people. I am moving from NC to L.A next year. Thanks
Are you talking smog wise? If so you usually would just have to find someone to overlook it and pay a lil more, my challenger and M5 are catless and just depending on how you drive will determine if you get pulled over constantly or not haha.
I passed up a 2008 100% stock very good condition one owner speed3. When I was 18. It only had 66k miles on it and the owner wanted 8.5k. Every time I see a speed3 I think back to that and how much I regret not buying it
These are awesome videos, if you could show some speedo/tach shots under acceleration that would be cool. Would love to see what 420 WHP looks like in this car.
I call BS on 420whp. It's also funny how the title says 450 and the description says 420. As an owner of a 380whp Speed 3 who has tuned 10 or so of these cars, I know them very well. Even with E85 to push back the KR threshold, it is IMPOSSIBLE to put down 420whp on stock injectors. Period. We have several local fully-bolted Speeds on GTX3076s that ran out of injector headroom a 370-380whp. This is the consistent limit that is extremely well-known and seen with this platform. Look on MSF for tons of data on this, if you want. This has been confirmed by several top-name pro tuners on the Speed platform, like Lex from Stratified and Justin from FREEKTUNE. Without supplemental fueling, we run out of fuel at 370-380whp, regardless of turbo. Air + fuel = power. If you want >380whp, you need more fuel, even with the most efficient setup/super-high flowing turbo. >380whp requires >380whp worth of fuel, there's no way around it. We need methanol or supplemental PI at that point. Dynojet graphs or I call serious BS, man. I'll bet he's quoting either 1) VDyno numbers with the very forgiving Dynojet correction factor (1.09), 2) quoting brake horsepower (at the crank) rather than wheel horsepower, or 3) the most likely, just simply inflating his numbers. Many people do it, LOL. The thing of it is that E85 requires 30% more fueling volume when you run it straight. Speed guys mix it though, and we get the best balance of performance/injector headroom at about 25-30% ethanol content. But even at that level, it easy eats up 10-15% of our injector headroom due to it's lower energy potential as a fuel. This guy is simply not being honest...
+Zack Richmond Suit you your self. I've had to car dynod at at 2 different dynojets and both times it made around the same power. VDyno with a 1.01 correction factor is also showing around the same number. My injectors are currently at 108% though so I have no head room. And as far as the 450hp in the description, That is an error on Matts side. I told him that the Car made 420whp. If you were to factor in a drive chain loss of 15% which is low, that would mean that my car is making around 480hp at the crank
padsalltheway Must be corrected SAE numbers. You outta be really careful running over 100 IDC. You're actually injecting during the exhaust cycle at that point. That's really dangerous. I'm surprised you're not getting spark blowout at that level. Was it an actual Dynojet? Or a Dynapak? Some dynos are much "easier" than others. Regardless, I wouldn't be running that tune long-term. A tune that consistently hits >100 IDC is just asking for trouble...
Ben Chesterman I can agree with 370 too, so long as he's upgraded turbo. K04s (stock turbo) will only support 330 or so tops. I made 385whp being fully bolted, ethanol tuned, BNR S3 turbo, all the bells/whistles/supporting mods without supplemental fueling. I just recently added water/methanol injection to my car, but I didn't tune it for any more power regardless of the fact that I now have extra fueling headroom because stock rods and stock clutch are also not happy north of 380wtq or so. If you have a turbo big enough, and the extra fueling that is NECESSARY (without which it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to make >385-390whp - can't argue with physics), there's still the matter of the clutch and the rods too. My BS meter went off the charts when this dude started talking about his power level because I know MS3s like the back of my hand. I've tuned them too...
Too bad Matt isn't here in Texas (or me being in Cali). He could drive my E30/methanol injected Speed with a BNR S3. Since the standard Mazdaspeed convention of talking about whp/wtq has been broken here, I put down ~440/440 at the crank. It'd be a nice comparison, and my longer Genpu (2nd gen) gears would help enjoy all that extra power... :D
Arthur Robinson I'm open to any type of car. I'm too busy to go out and actively find them, but fortunately so many people have submitted cars that I will probably never need to. If someone sent in a cool pro tourer I would absolutely be down.
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I always watch the owners faces during redlines.
That thing MOVES. It's kind of a special treat when you come across a 400+HP Speed3. Typically, most people do basic bolt-ons and get around 300-330HP. But to see one that's been fully built and running on E85 isn't something you see often.
***** I followed a guy on Instagram before he deleted his account and he had, probably around the same HP as this one, a 2nd gen Speed3 with slicks and ran 11 seconds 1/4 mile. I'd imagine this guy's Speed3 would run high 11's or low 12's.
***** Tons of speed 3 and speed 6 guys do it here where i'm from. When you're in the speed community you see more than usual.
***** No clutch and no brakes? Hmmm.
jeffS197 I was thinking the same thing. So much unnecessary commotion over brakes. And I doubt anyone preps their car for Matt to review for 7-10 minutes.
One of these surprised the crap out of me one the freeway one day.
As a Gen1 MS3 owner since 2008, this video made me very happy.
Very nicely modded car. I was thinking of doing similar power mods to what this guy did, than the RS was unveiled.
DZEMAG You're willing to dump 45k into your car?
***** No, but I would do for the sticker price on the RS.
Personally, I am fine with the power the K04 produces. I was only thinking of the bolt-on power increases to about 330hp max.
Reason this guy spent $45k is due to having to constantly rebuild because of the high power output and probably pushes his car hard regularly.
***** that was probably repairs...they aren't known for their reliability. You don't meet a lot of repeat buyers.
DZEMAG This is NOT a well modded car lol. For 420WHP, it has a stock clutch, stock brakes, stock wheel/ tire width, stock catback, and a STOCK INTERCOOLER. Wat. Undoubtably fun to drive, but not necessarily a nicely modded car.
Caleb Marshall Thanks for your comment, but if you check out my wheel well page, you will see all the other mods that are on my car that weren't mentioned in the review. I am running a larger top mount intercooler which is covered by the oem engine cover and as far as the suspension and handling goes, I am running Ksport coilovers as well as BFG KDW tires that are wider than stock. And for the catback, there aren't any real hp gains to be made with an after market system besides being overly loud.
I've always wondered Matt, how do the drivers react after the take? Adrenaline pumped? Happy to get their car back? Ever been berated or praised for pushing the limits?
Personal experience, it's just cool to get the thoughts from someone who's opinion you respect like Matt's on your car. Especially since it is his first time seeing and driving it and he can give you a good unbiased opinion based upon the number of cars he drivers per year as an automotive journalist.
fortheloveofcake93 Go watch the white BRZ video, the kid almost shit his pants..didn't even know what his own car could do
fortheloveofcake93 I've always wanted to see Matt push the cars a little harder. I know it's a public road and all, but I've never really seen him drive more than 6/10 or 7/10 in his one take videos.
Iain Murray Well, he redlined this car like six times in this video lol, floored it, hopped around a bit on the road, I'd say he pushed it far enough. He shouldn't go Stig mode, since it isn't his car. At least I wouldn't want him to go 10/10 or even 9/10 in my car lol. Still great videos
I was meaning through the corners, he seems quite tame, even more so in his other one takes. It was fast enough to be entertaining, but I've always wanted to see Matt push the cars a little harder. I personally would like to see if he could drive my car faster than me, especially if it's only for a 10 min session. Matt's a great guy though and I rarely miss his uploads.
I really enjoy these one take videos Matt. They give me something to watch while I eat lunch.
you should give your guests a mandatory shot of espresso before filming
It doesn't torque steer as much because of the power band. The 3076 shines up top, where you don't typically get torque steer. Whereas, the Speed in the video before had a BNR, which has a lot more torque down low in the RPM range - more torque steer.
Man, i love these ONE TAKE videos!
i love how this car sounds, minimal drone and very pleasant to listen to. good change from a wide open exhaust (as much as i love them)
Watch out, Jesse, I betcha he's got 45k under the hood of that car
0hn0haha haha 😂😂😂💀
0hn0haha Mazda’s aren’t really any less pricey to mod out then a Subaru
You can make 450+whp with like $7000 on this platform lmfao
That dude has the most "meh" tone. Super chill
Maybe it's just me, but him grabbing the "oh shit" handle for the whole time makes him look nervous...
Behzad Majdizadeh Thats because their going around corners fast
Behzad Majdizadeh Well you don't have much to grab other than the handle when you're not driving and the car's going fast through corners.
maximus9401 "You think you may need bigger brakes?" "....meh"
ya super annoying. seemed to me like he didn't even want to be in the video.
The one takes ROCK! Keep them up.
This is by far one of the best channel doing this type of videos. I love this :D
Matt i have to say well done for doing something different with reviewing cars. It is good to see that you give feed back over peoples cars that have been modified to their liking. The fact that your honest makes the reviews more interesting. Some of the cars that you have reviewed clearly show that there are many car enthusiast in your community. I have a 2007 Mazda 6 MPS. I am planning to make some more modifications to it over the next couple of months. Seeing your insight to each and every car you review makes my choice with modifying my car easier. I want my car to have balance with enough power to make it move. I would like to see a review on the Mazda Speed 6 with some mods. I know that you are a fan of the car, any ways keep up the reviews. Its good to see someone doing something different.
really loving the one takes! It's great to have the quirks of a car pointed out like that.
This is one of the best One Takes yet. Not just the car choice, but the chemistry between the host/driver with the passager/owner. The guy has a bad ass car and he is really humble about it, get thoes brakes though!
Woh 45k into that thing O.o.... Mind officially blown.
MrGovenator1 What the fuck? Is that what he said?
Nayr Nitsua Naw, its what she said.
MrGovenator1 The owner's a dumbass. He had the engine built, then kept everything else stock. Of course it's a money pit, the stock parts weren't meant for 400+ HP.
I mean it's obvious he's an idiot, he's still running stock brakes with that power and is too cheap to replace a sensor to get TC and ABS working again.
firehawkws7 He's only had to replace turbos then get the engine built for power. You act like he's replacing transmissions left and right and putting in stock clutches weekly.
***** if he bought it new, it would have been $25kish, so that could be the case as well. Also, possible to spend more than $5k on three turbos if you have someone else do the work and stuff. Still seems kinda high though. Oh, he has different tires as well, hard to say what that cost him for sure, but that contributed, I assure you. I wore out the stock potenzas on mine when I had it in 30k miles, lol.
mazda has really come into its own since the partnership with Ford ended. All of their cars since 2014 and later are very refined with great interiors and great handling. the only thing they're missing is a car that makes big power. They have an RX concept but who knows if that will ever make production. I personally am hoping for a next gen speed3 using the engine from the new CX-9. So much potential in that engine especially with the great chassis of the 3rd gen Mazda 3. The new speed3 can potentially obliterate Ford focus ST/RS, WRX/STI, GTI/R, etc.
I have an 08.5 MS3 that I bought new and while I'm nowhere near 420 WHP, I'm also nowhere near 45k, including the original purchase price. I'm at 130k and have had essentially ZERO issues other than the basic maint. items (brakes, tires, oil, etc). Original Turbo and clutch too!
Same here. I only have 80k on my 09 MS3, but in the 5 years I have had it the only non maintenance thing I've had to replace was the gas cap which somehow got cross threaded on and stuck.
David Alfonso You keep your speed3 stock? All the ones I have seen near me have been modified. I would prefer a stock one.
***** Mine is 2008 white speed3 100% stock with 73k miles
I have a few basic bolt on mods: Hypertech Tuner, Mazdaspeed CAI, RSB, JBarone Short Shifter. Appearance wise: HID's (sport, not GT) and yellow film over the fog lights, side moldings removed, tinted windows Debaged and the Mazda emblems are both plastidiped. Used to have some OEM RX8 wheels painted black, but I sold those and I'm back on my stock wheels. That's about it.
Ok so its likely this guy had bad luck I thought these were decently realiable if you didn't go crazy with the power. I would only do a stage 1 or stage 2 Cobb tune if I was to mess with it but being as the car would be a daily it might just stay stock
As soon as Matt heard he put 45000 Dollars in the car, He LOL'D hard in his head
You can make this power for 4500 and I think thats really what he meant. BNR S4 kit is about 1500 bucks. Youll just need hpfp ($300), rear motor mount($100) , tune($500), exhaust($1000), fmic($600). I miss my 400whp speed3 :(
Mines been stupid reliable 77k problem free miles it's my daily
@@gokeyinspections8552 cool
@@botdingo whats the fmic?
@@botdingoBOT DINGO Bullshit. You're not making 400whp on pump gas, and since when is a tune $500? An accessport is $650 and a professional tune is a couple hundred on top of that. Plus, you left out 3.5 bar map sensor, EBCS, TIP and intake, clutch kit, built motor....
A ms3 could reliably make closer to 350whp fully bolted with a good tune, but a stock block wouldn't last being daily driven with the type of power this guy's car is making.
Realistically your build list should look like:
-Acessport $650
-HPFP $350
-TIP and intake EBAY $100
-EBAY DP, 3 inch straight pipe $400
-CXracing FMIC $400
-3.5 bar map sensor $85
-Grimmspeed EBCS $125
-CS turbo $1100
-Professional tune $500
Owner holding the holy shit handle
Dude was hanging on for dear life lol! You can see him grip that shit
After watching this, I then proceeded to get in my speed3 and rip it.
That guy was terrified the entire time. Hell, I was terrified just watching. Every time you got boost and that thing took off I thought you were going to torque steer off a cliff.
favorite gen1 review the car is wild, its been fun with mine but time for awd golf r soon with apr stage 4
This car is ready. I agree good brakes are important but when you are building and maintaining a car like that for daily driving... You got my respect nice wagon.
Looks pretty fast! I can't believe the stock clutch can take that abuse!
There's mixed reaction to these one take videos but from what Matt says it seems it's mostly positive which I'm happy about... With these videos, the spectrum of cars that can be reviewed/shown/analysed/publicised is increased infinitely; I think this was mentioned on video at some point but let's not forget it. Reviewing new cars is great and we all want to see the most anticipated new releases on video, but this is great too, it's something different that we wouldn't otherwise see. Of course, lots of people think what I've just said, but I wanted to say it too.
gauges impossible to read, those dark sunglasses wouldn't help :D
altern8ive Dillon Optics is the official eyewear of The Smoking Tire. Use the link on our home page to get a free TST shirt with every purchase!
TheSmokingTire smooth.
thanks TheSmokingTire i did originally use the Dillon brand name in my comment but when i saw them at the end they didn't look like the usual ones you wear so edited out the name in case i was mistaken.
altern8ive I have dillion optics sunglasses, they don't make gauges hard to read..they do make everything clearer though.
TheSmokingTire no thanks Jeff.
420 at the wheels blaze it
Holy hell man AND it still has a top mount. Impressive.
i drive a speed 3, i can't imagine 420 WHP out of that thing
+The Strength Doc my buddies got a stock(ish 2.3) 3 and it breaks tires all the time lol
+The Strength Doc Ive seen them on 600-700 whp. the amount of power you can get out of it these days is insane. Honestly prefer the 2nd gen speed especially with body mods.
+ThirstyMonkeyNicca a good friend of mine has his first gen being built rn, complete build/weight reduction should make close to 600wheel
KJDD787 nice cannot wait to get mine.
any reliability issues? Planning to get a MS3
Lol, when Matt said it's a 1st gen, not the ugly one. I love the 2nd gen Speed3. This one looks more basic, so it's easier to look good. When you go over the top, people will either love it or hate it. But the 2nd gen ones look dope to me, hood scoop and all.
And yea I heard these cars have the most torque steer. I've seen many crazy fast ones tho.
I'm a huge fan of the Gen 1. Looks so much better than the second gen.
I had a 2009 MP3 with a few bolt-ons and a crap OTS tune. It only had like 283hp and was still so fun to drive in the canyons. Thing felt like a rocket. In this day in age of fast but soulless EV's, I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Wish I never sold mine!
Kyle: I would recommend some Porterfield R4s pads (Amazing daily, aggressive pads), stop-tech SS lines, and maybe some Motul fluid. That's the best you can do with stock calipers.
I really enjoyed this 1take. The guy seemed so laid back about everything and that's a really nicely done mazdaspeed3, it'd give a lot of wrxs a run for their money. Plus i like that it 170k on the clock meaning its been driven (which I don't feel like its alot, but I guess getting to drive mostly new cars all the time and the ones you own having little miles other than the lexus I can see why matt reacted the way he did
I absolutely love high HP FWD cars. That thing rips!
"It's got a fresh alignment, so it oversteers more than understeers right now."
Wat?
Yeah.... Ummm
Whats off about that?
You must be fuckin stupid to think that a custom alignment can't alter those characteristics... Stick to firestone or wheelworks and the stock alignment specs dumbass
@@X11CHASE ...please enlighten me how a "custom" alignment on a fwd car will cause it to oversteer🤔
@@nissantech8857 camber and toe settings alter a cars turn in and coming out of a corner also under accel or decel. Not to also mention ride stiffness on front and rear
Just bought my 2007 MPS 3 yesterday. 6 speed manual. 100,000 kms. Taking a while to get used to a big HP FWD and a heavy duty clutch....
I like his enthusiasm
I love the 1st Gen Mazdaspeed 3.
Can you say torque steer?!? :p
I really wish Mazda had put this engine in the RX8. That much power is certainly a hoot, but even more so when driving the rear wheels, leaving the fronts to simply steer and brake.
Oh hell yeah finally a MS3!!! Ever since my buddy had one for a few years and light bolt-on parts I was wondering why no one really tuned em XD Moving to a Focus ST I still like the power of the MS3 more, just doesn't handle as well
This roof view is awesome. I really think you could make it even better by setting up a "speedometer cam" and revs
Here's the fun thing about these one takes: a totally unscripted and raw review of cars in a snapshot in time. Modified in ways that make sense in 2015, for our purpose. It will be wild to watch these in 20 years and see how times and preferences have changed.
Not even a Mazda fan, but this car is nuts. Don't even care it has stock brakes. This must be fun to race people in. Well done owner.
I have a few questions.
How is the rust? Yeah I know you guys are in Cali, but if you ever come to the east coast you'll see 5yo Mazdas that are crumbling apart, so I wouldn't even be surprised if they rusted in less-humid climate just by looking at it :o
Have you had issues with carbon deposits that are inherent to DI, especially with a turbo? Especially considering your higher than stock boost and E85.
The Ksport coilovers are a bit disappointing, though. There are plenty of better quality name brand options for the MS3.
great motivation to keep going with my MS3
Surprisingly nice little mazda.
That thing looks to have some nice power.
With these films you are building a solid database of car reviews. Comparing heavily modified vs near stock and FWD vs RWD vs AWD. You are sitting on a gold mine Trebek.
this thing is so badass
Great series. Great just awesome.
#TheSmokingTire, you MUST do a Toyota MR-S with the Celica's 2ZZGE engine! It's a poorman's Lotus Elise with more comfort at half the price! Please get a shoutout to someone in the area and review it! TRUST me, you will LOVE it!
Would love to see that too. Know anyone with this setup?
I used to have a 2000 Celica gts 6 speed. My first car, lots of fun for a 16 year old. Loves the 8500rpm redline
He spent 45K and he still on stocked brakes?
Brakes are huge on that thing they can withstand that power.
@@victormaddox-craft5730 not on a German Autotobahn. I have a stock MPS3, and the brakes are.... jop...
Nice car, they are around mid teens in price in NZ.
I love the sleeper aspect!
There aren't too many mods needed for this car to be amazing. You need larger injectors and better spark plugs for a turbo upgrade, like the 3071r. It would be wise to have a front mounted intercooler, and aem intake, and 3in full exhaust system. Also, a good power tune is advised. In all of that, your 0-60 should be like 4 seconds flat.
Love these One Takes. This is a good example of the potential the MS3 platform has. Please get a new shift knob though haha! Also no FMIC?!
Now need a sorted MS6
sweeeptheleg Would love to see an AWD MS3 like the 6 got
Charles T there is a guy in Greece that did the AWD conversion to his gen 1 MS3. It pretty nice
crimson25haze Mazda is doing an AWD one in 2016 :)
Still a maybe...it's isn't 100%, but it's exciting to think about!
Charles T I agree but the AWD system kinda sucks, it's FWD till the front slips, and cannot send more than 50% to the rear
when he’s talking about it struggling to get traction when he adds boost what he’s feeling is the front tires pulling so hard it actually ends up dragging the rear tires at points
BJ, upgraded injectors for this platform don't exist, aside from the single set that was made for huge cost and used only briefly due to gains being minimal at best.
God I really want you to come drive my vtec mini, please come to Scotland :3
I know it's not readily available to you, but other than that, Ethanol is great. It's cheap race gas and cars gobble the shit out of it. We have reliable (70+) E at most pumps, and even though you get less mpgs, the price decrease actually makes it a bit more economical depending on price. Corn juice and injectors/tune was good for 70awhp on the LGT
'Have you done anything to the brakes?' 'No.' There's quite a few of these One Takes where that dialogue happens. What is the point in adding huge power if you can't use it? A car can't be truly fast unless it has brakes that can cope with it's power output. It should be the first thing you do!
lol problem is most ppl care more about pure power than having a well rounded car
Yeah, it's crazy. Is it fun to have to brake 400 metres before a corner? Sounds a bit shit to me.
he totally put his arm up to show that he lifts, can confirm he lifts
Holy crap I was ear to ear smiles during the entire shoot.....well almost. Once he dropped the money pit info, my jaw dropped. I guess when you're pushing 400+ HP through a fwd car, that also is daily driven, you're bound to go through parts.
Even with badges, its a sleeper cuz peeps think its a regular slow Mazda 3. Only 3 owners know about Speed3. They think it just a grocery wagon driven by women.
Matt - I think the torque steer is less because of the spool characteristic of the larger turbo. Higher in the revs before the power comes.. the gear just unfolds and you're on to the next.. weeeee!
awesome video, ive yet to see a mazda 3 sedan with a turbo and that much power.
Maannn this thing pulls!
Take it back Matt, that can't be the only G you respect.
Wow! Booked until august! Please don't accept sponsors. LOL Or at least don't make it seem like it is sponsored and keep the quality "indie" enough to make it relatable to us mortals. Cheers from Philippines!
The gen 1 speed3 is way nicer inside and out.. Plus the steering and gearing..
Have a large dog.. Cant think of many other sub 30k Hatch/performance wagons that will fit her like one of these. The Sti/wrx hatches are tiny, as are the Ford St's. Any suggestions?
Great car and video.. If I get one ill need to modify it close to this, minus e85
Shahul Usman I've got 2 golden retrievers. Theres plenty of room:)
Nice.. I have a 100lb greater Swiss mountain. Shoukd be good if you can fit a golden. I wish the Fiesta/focus St's had bigger hatches
Wait, the dogs fit with the back seats up or down?
2:10 my exact thought right before he said it
2009 Mazdaspeed3 owner here. It seems like finding a stock Speed3 in my area(Socal near Cobb Tuning) is like looking for a unicorn. So far I have got 62,000 miles of smiles with no issues. Just regular maintenance, gas and lots of summer tires. The sleeper look is a big plus since it is my DD. And it is all stock and staying that way. The 2017 awd Mazdaspeed3 is tempting though...
+1400VID are they reliable? thinking of getting one because it has more room for the dog lol
Justin Blanco So far, the car has no major issues. There are 3 minor things like creaky dashboard trim pieces, a burn fuse for the power outlet, and a slight gear whine when in 5th gear. A co-worker has a 2008 MS3 with 270,000 miles on it so far. The 2008/2009 models in stock form are relatively trouble free.
+Justin Blanco My '07 MS3 has been very reliable for 280,000 miles. Engine is all stock, but I beefed up the suspension damping to make it handle better. Although plenty will disagree, I don't really think an MS3 needs more power than stock or would handle it very well.
VAspeed3 Good to hear your MS3 has that many trouble free miles. It seems they are really reliable if left in stock form. But I'm not sure why the same engine in the CX7 is having so many issues. Maybe it was detuned improperly for 87 octane or the auto transmission setup?
i would like to see a roll race between this and a mustang gt 2015
Dacrazy-can This would smoke it assuming it's not from like 20mph. 420 at the wheels and 650lbs lighter.
Bryan Kendall
yeah , but i want to see how much
Dacrazy-can Well there's only one way to find out...
***** Nah not if you give the GT the same built engine you know what will happen then
***** then you're JDM buttboys wouldn't like that
Love my 2007 speed 3, I just hit 60k as the second owner this month. Only thing ive replaced is the thermostat. I'm going to do a bunch of maintenance soon with plugs, shocks and tires but so far its been flawless for me. I do notice now I get a little smoke on startup in the morning after the car sits over night, turbo seals? Anyone have any info on that?
Zero respect for having that ammount of power, and not making sure the car stops properly. Simply not cool.
Other than that: I like it:)
***** Dude its not a race car, 400 at the front wheels is not practical in any way, who cares if it has massive brakes this car is only good for huge straight line pulls anyway
The stock rotors on the speed 3 are big
***** well it kinda depends on how you use it. if you like to start from the lights and that's it, the stock brakes will hold, but if you drive hard all the time, they will obviously overheat rapidly,so they need modification. in a 420hp car though you need them more than if it's a minor power upgrade.
***** I dont think people realize how expenseive big brakes are. A full set can be 3 or 4 grand
***** i think the first thing you need to address is probably overheating, not the stopping power. that depends on the specificcar of course, but some stock cars stop surprisingly well, so you would need good rotors.
Is it possible to get away with a catless exhaust in L.A?
I have an 03 cobra with Long Tube Headers off road X and bullet mufflers, I'm wondering if I need to add high flow cats? Or if I will be ok catless if I find the right people. I am moving from NC to L.A next year.
Thanks
Are you talking smog wise? If so you usually would just have to find someone to overlook it and pay a lil more, my challenger and M5 are catless and just depending on how you drive will determine if you get pulled over constantly or not haha.
I have that same turbo in my SRT4. They are great turbos
That was great to watch. Kick starter for dude's brakes lol!
Who needs bakes when you got power.... Ok, that is a Top Gear remark.
I like this Mazda 3. Looks good.
He has stock rims on 225 tires... Awesome car and video. If he had 17x45x255(265) he would be golden
First thing I thought when I saw this in my reccomended was "sweet mother of torque steer! :D"
i rem i had a cwp 08.5 ms3. its was fun. Had to change the mm to shift better. but overall was a great car..miss my ms3!
Matt has anyone spazzed out mid-drive and asked you to step out of the drivers seat? No disrespect, honestly curious lol
+TheSmokingTire
zombiecheef only my mother.
I think 350whp is the sweet spot for these cars.
I want to say I was rolling next to this guy in Burbank I've seen this car around Burbank, he barked the tires at about 25mph... lol
I passed up a 2008 100% stock very good condition one owner speed3. When I was 18. It only had 66k miles on it and the owner wanted 8.5k. Every time I see a speed3 I think back to that and how much I regret not buying it
These are awesome videos, if you could show some speedo/tach shots under acceleration that would be cool. Would love to see what 420 WHP looks like in this car.
Great vid! you don't see to many vids on the handling and actually power for a mazdaspeed3 gen one. A lot of freeway racing tho!
That thing is nuts
1st gen speed3 around 12 grand lol more like 6-9 grand
Depends on milage I just got a 10 for 12k but it has 40k miles
@@treycantu1097 3400.
they’ve depreciated more it’s been 5 years
I love how the owner is holding on to the "Oh Shit" bar
I call BS on 420whp. It's also funny how the title says 450 and the description says 420. As an owner of a 380whp Speed 3 who has tuned 10 or so of these cars, I know them very well. Even with E85 to push back the KR threshold, it is IMPOSSIBLE to put down 420whp on stock injectors. Period. We have several local fully-bolted Speeds on GTX3076s that ran out of injector headroom a 370-380whp. This is the consistent limit that is extremely well-known and seen with this platform. Look on MSF for tons of data on this, if you want. This has been confirmed by several top-name pro tuners on the Speed platform, like Lex from Stratified and Justin from FREEKTUNE.
Without supplemental fueling, we run out of fuel at 370-380whp, regardless of turbo. Air + fuel = power. If you want >380whp, you need more fuel, even with the most efficient setup/super-high flowing turbo. >380whp requires >380whp worth of fuel, there's no way around it. We need methanol or supplemental PI at that point.
Dynojet graphs or I call serious BS, man. I'll bet he's quoting either 1) VDyno numbers with the very forgiving Dynojet correction factor (1.09), 2) quoting brake horsepower (at the crank) rather than wheel horsepower, or 3) the most likely, just simply inflating his numbers. Many people do it, LOL.
The thing of it is that E85 requires 30% more fueling volume when you run it straight. Speed guys mix it though, and we get the best balance of performance/injector headroom at about 25-30% ethanol content. But even at that level, it easy eats up 10-15% of our injector headroom due to it's lower energy potential as a fuel. This guy is simply not being honest...
+Zack Richmond Suit you your self. I've had to car dynod at at 2 different dynojets and both times it made around the same power. VDyno with a 1.01 correction factor is also showing around the same number. My injectors are currently at 108% though so I have no head room. And as far as the 450hp in the description, That is an error on Matts side. I told him that the Car made 420whp. If you were to factor in a drive chain loss of 15% which is low, that would mean that my car is making around 480hp at the crank
padsalltheway Must be corrected SAE numbers. You outta be really careful running over 100 IDC. You're actually injecting during the exhaust cycle at that point. That's really dangerous. I'm surprised you're not getting spark blowout at that level. Was it an actual Dynojet? Or a Dynapak? Some dynos are much "easier" than others.
Regardless, I wouldn't be running that tune long-term. A tune that consistently hits >100 IDC is just asking for trouble...
370 hp with tune , exhaust system and e85 . I agree something else has been done to it
Ben Chesterman I can agree with 370 too, so long as he's upgraded turbo. K04s (stock turbo) will only support 330 or so tops. I made 385whp being fully bolted, ethanol tuned, BNR S3 turbo, all the bells/whistles/supporting mods without supplemental fueling.
I just recently added water/methanol injection to my car, but I didn't tune it for any more power regardless of the fact that I now have extra fueling headroom because stock rods and stock clutch are also not happy north of 380wtq or so. If you have a turbo big enough, and the extra fueling that is NECESSARY (without which it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to make >385-390whp - can't argue with physics), there's still the matter of the clutch and the rods too. My BS meter went off the charts when this dude started talking about his power level because I know MS3s like the back of my hand. I've tuned them too...
Too bad Matt isn't here in Texas (or me being in Cali). He could drive my E30/methanol injected Speed with a BNR S3. Since the standard Mazdaspeed convention of talking about whp/wtq has been broken here, I put down ~440/440 at the crank. It'd be a nice comparison, and my longer Genpu (2nd gen) gears would help enjoy all that extra power... :D
trust me brakes make the biggest diference in drive confidence
Really didn't hear a ton of wheel-spin, that's pretty impressive!
Hey, Matt. You ever thought about doing one takes of Pro Touring cars?
Arthur Robinson I'm open to any type of car. I'm too busy to go out and actively find them, but fortunately so many people have submitted cars that I will probably never need to. If someone sent in a cool pro tourer I would absolutely be down.
That's really cool! I guess the HotRod crowd isn't your typical demographic, so there's not many people with Restomods searching for you.