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So Jeremy actually missed that there's an explanation for why the neighbor is blue, you just have to pay attention and be knowledgeable. He has a form of radiation poisoning, something real people have had happen to them, most notably the surviving crew of workers who helped stabilize Chernobyl when it melted down. They gave these workers a medal to commemorate their sacrifice and the neighbor has one of these medals on his chest at all times. So he's blue because he helped prevent a nuclear disaster at Chernobyl
Honestly as a kid I thought it was because he ate too much blue cheese kind of how like in Demon Slayer a girl ate too much Sakura mochi and her hair turned pink bobinsky ate too much blue cheese and turned blue
"Are kids even worth listening to?" Yes?? Part of the responsibility of being a parent is to engage in your children and their way of viewing the world even if it's exaggerated or "not worth listening to" Particularly in this case where it's noted that the reason Caroline's parents don't respond to her properly isn't because what she's saying isn't worth listening to but because _she's_ not worth listening to. Being emotionally detached does awful things to a child, such as lowering a child's self esteem, resentment and making them seek attention elsewhere, something Coraline shows
EXACTLY. Children are still human beings. Do they seriously think that talking about a child voicing her concerns for her safety/life with the same disdain one would use for a whining dog is okay??? Even if something happened to a kid that WAS over-exaggerated and/or not actually dangerous, _the FEAR is still just as real, and will still affect the child AND their mind/body just as much as it would an adult who actually DID have their life threatened._ *_Threats to your life, be they real or perceived, WILL affect your mind and harm your body if it is repeated and never addressed. THIS DOES NOT SUDDENLY CHANGE IF THE PERSON IS A CHILD._* Ugh.
Fun fact: Coraline did call the police in the book. They wrote her off as a child with an overactive imagination, and told her to have some hot cocoa before going back to bed.
15:30 - 15:49 I'd like to point out that Coraline did call the cops in the book, but the officer simply told her to go back to bed since she mentioned the part of her parents being stuck in a mirror and the Other Mother wanted to sew buttons into her eyes. Needless to say, Jeremy has too much faith in a system that doesn't take unnoticed supernatural stuff seriously.
@@eatatjoes6751 Yeah, I read the book too back in elementary school as a reading course for English class and re-reading it when I picked it up again on Audible.
Apparently, Neil Gaiman had difficulty getting the original novel published, since many publishers thought that it was too scary for young children. So, he had his coworker's young daughter read the novel. She approved it, and it was published, yet years later, confessed to Gaiman that she was terrified, but wanted to find out what happened next.
@@specturv9836based daughter. If she expressed discomfort to her dad I'm sure they not only woulda pulled the book but also console her and apologize, but she was a pimp. So we got the movie yrs later. Every horror fan starts out petrified, but gripped to the screen/book.
When I was 12, my English teacher approached me privately before class started and handed me the book from her shelf. She was an older, grandmother looking sort, and she said that she thought I would really enjoy it. So I read it. I was fucking terrified, but absolutely fascinated by it. It was the first piece of horror media that I actually enjoyed despite being scared. Of course I had nightmares, was always prone to night terrors as a kid, but I never regretted reading it. It really helped me open up to other horror media.
On the Mango Milkshake sin, it is established the Otherworld is magic, and soft magic at that, given the lack of rules. So Coraline could have a Mago Milkshake and not suffer any Allergic reaction. Granted, I am probably giving the writers credit in assuming they are aware of the allergy connection, but there you go, a way for Coraline to be okay with having a Mango Milkshake.
Also, sensitivity to the chemical in poison oak and mangoes varies from person to person and there are plenty of people who have a reaction to poison oak but can eat mangoes with little to no reaction.
@@thecollector5204 I mean, that is the gist of my argument. She is in a magical world, so she has the opportunity to try stuff she usually could not. (Add the Beldum trying to trick Caroline like a stranger offering a toddler cand,y and it makes more sense.)
It could also just be mango "flavour" not actual mango Though it is curious that she would ask for such a thing, then again the fact she asks for it could simply be taken as proof she isn't that sensitive to it in the first place
Fun Fact: Mr. Bobinskie (The Russian man) is shown wearing a medal. That medal is real, or well based on a real medal given to those who participated in the Chernobyl clean up. There for we can assume there was an incedent during the cleaning, leading him to develop blue skin
7:09 as a kid I definitely would of tried to catch that mouse also loved playing with bugs, snakes and rats And Caroline is shown to like socalled "creepy" critters throughout the film and I knew many kids like her and me It's really pathetic how Jeremy thinks everyone has to view things exactly like him
Every discussion of this movie I learn something new, like how the mango milkshake. Coraline is a pretty rebellious kid and if American public school has taught me anything- kids with allergies will risk anaphylactic shock at least once. So yeah, risking the milkshake in a world where every is magic and she can have whatever she wants, accurate gullible kid behavior.
@@MariktheGunslingerI mean it’s not normal mango milkshake. It’s “other world mango milkshake”. Who knows, maybe other mother made it not have the thing that causes allergic reactions.
10:19 There’s actually a legitimate reason for why Bobinsky is blue. He wears a Russian hero medal that was given out for those who helped in the Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster, meaning he was one of those heroes and his blue skin was actually from it.
As someone who also struggles with enunciating my words resulting in them sounding like pure gibberish.. Hearing you jab at Jeremy for doing the same will always be nothing short of hilarious.
Not necessarily. It depends on the ripeness of the fruit, and how sensitive the person is to the allergen. Had friends of mine from Florida tell me about the connection between the two, and they said you could always tell if someone ate too many mangoes by the ring of red bumps around their mouths.
Jeremy forgets what PG used to mean. Beetlejuice, Empire Strikes Back, The Witches(1990 version), etc. Those were PG and weren't exactly completely kid friendly
Yeah, too bad most adult animation is awful. They think a cartoon character swearing and making sex jokes is enough to call it adult, like in sausage party or in Velma. It’s the equivalent of a film talking down to a child but instead it’s to adults.
Had an ex that was crazy about this movie and introduced me to it. Whole family was a fan of all types of horror flicks and such. The movie is definitely unique and definitely gave me more appreciation for varieties of horror-esc films
I always assumed the mango milkshake thing was Coraline just saying shit. She's being exposed to all this amazing food and magic, it feels in her character to just name something fun sounding.
Besides that animation is a medium not a genre for a certain age- children do appreciate horror and horror can be beneficial for them to process fears. There used to be more children’s horror media or horror elements- Courage, Goosebumps, Billy and Mandy. Though Coraline managed to be a children’s book bc the agent’s daughter lied, I loved this movie as a kid
The footage of the news lady at six and a half minutes was very unsettling. I think that was more than just a flub. I hope she saw a doctor and got that taken care of. :(
Something called "migraine aura" which can present stroke-like symptoms (I feel like doctors need to come up with a new name...) I just read a CBS News article about it because I thought she'd had a stroke too
I feel like the mango milkshake could be a subtle hint put there but the movie makers. That they’re giving her something sweet that she thinks she wants but is actually harmful to her
The fact Jeremy complained about the _animal_ not having an anus is so alarming to me. He claims everything else was animated realistically, but no The shape of the cat's head to neck to shoulders implies an anchored collarbone, and almost makes it look like an anthro cat (like Tom) walking on all fours instead, which is what I _thought_ Jeremy would've sinned when he started off. Not saying that's a better sin or a worthy sin either, but I certainly wasn't expecting Jeremy to complain about the butt.
10:18, Something I wanted to point out which is an extremely cool detail of the movie is that it's implied that his skin is blue due to radiation poisoning, given that he is wearing a liquidator medal. Which, for those who are unaware, was awarded to those who helped during the aftermath of the Chernobyl disaster and were exposed to Alpha, Beta & Gamma strains of Radiation as a result.
I personally think that theory makes a lot of sense. Apparently the "official" reason for Mr. Bobinski's discolored skin is due to heavy consumption of beets. While this does make some sense as severe nitrate poisoning can dye your skin it also comes with other more debilitating side effects such as chronic seizures and vomiting.
The thing too is what's wrong with dark animated family films? Granted some kids would be too scared by some things but other kids like scary stuff. Kids are going to learn eventually that a lot of scary things are going to happen in the world or learn about death and what better, safer way to reach them than through the medium of film or the written word?
That's what I'm saying. Further more what's wrong with HORROR movies for kids? Horror movies are better off separated from non horror, but anyone who thinks that means you can't make a kids horror movie isn't paying attention, and that thinking is what brought us to Bloomfield movies that feel like r rated Disney Channel original Halloween special movies. Making the childhood horror movies actually for kids let's us have great content for kids and then have an autistic kid get beheaded for a god to rise in adult movies.
I remember watching Coraline back in middle school on our homeroom classes throughout a week! We were like 8-9 and I remember everybody loving it, particularly due to the particularly positively assimilated night terrors! And conversations about how fucking creepy button-eye dolls are for like two weeks
Seriously the whole "animation is just for kids" is so overdone and just wrong. Besides the many adult animated shows and movies i can point out, you just have to go back to the 70s and Ralph Bakshi
loved this film as a kid, will never forget watching it in the cinema when I was 11. so many kids and their parents walked out when the more scary elements really kicked in, was my first cinema horror experience that really freaked me out and solidified my love for the genre
I feel like Coraline was a gateway film to horror for many Zoomers and younger Millennials. Lure kids in with a PG animated film starring a brightly-colored protagonist by the guy who made Nightmare Before Christmas, get them hooked on body horror and gothic fantasy.
10:20 There also is an actual explanation for why he’s blue, granted it’s just a visual one. Bobinski has a medal pinned to his shirt that shows he helped deal with Chernobyl
15:40 also I heard that in the book/novel version of Coraline she actually did call the police, but they weren’t helpful at all and literally just told her to have some hot chocolate to feel better or something
Jeremy points at Coraline and complains about how she's obnoxious when that's sort of the whole point. Most parents who watched this films would probably relate heavily to their kids pestering them during a super stressful period while they're just trying to make ends meet. When her parents have finished the catalogue and can finally give Coraline more attention, the days finally go from cloudy/rainy to sunny. The entire point is that the Beldam is taking advantage of families at their most vulnerable. Coraline feels isolated and alone, pushes away people trying to get to know her. Hey, the Beldam sounds like it could be an allegory for something! The movie is a cautionary tale for both parents *and* children.
Interesting point at 8:09. If Coraline had a poison oak allergy, she could possibly have a mango allergy too. It may just be a coincidence, but Coraline is known for having obscure details such as the double O loop on the Welcome Home cake. In fact, that scene happens seconds after she drinks the mango milkshake.
Your videos are really great. Not only do you call out Jeremy's bullshit, mistakes, ignorance, etc, you also give actual insight and information to things that I didn't even know about. I found the poison oak, mango milkshake, and even the hunt-and-peck typing details to be very interesting.
Weighing in on the mango discussion, I'm allergic to mangos but I still eat them whenever possible and I haven't died yet! I just get a poison-oak like rash around the outside of my mouth. Mangos are soooo tasty though it's worth it
@@Th3Birdman Haha, thanks for the concern! Genuinely though, I mostly go for dried mangos now so the juice doesn't touch my skin. I don't think I'd drink a mango milkshake without a straw 🤣
As someone also allergic to mango I'm pretty sure the type of allergic reaction is different from anaphylaxis somehow. My mouth just gets itchy from eating mango. Probably still not great for me though
8:13 this is just a theory, but the mango milkshake probably isn't even real as the Beldam made everything up with magic... or something like that. Maybe Coraline likes the taste of mango but can't eat it, so a mango shake that doesn't trigger her allergies would make the world seem more like a dream come true. Beldam can cure a rash so it isn't impossible Though the fact Coraline is casually gulping it down like it's a delicacy is still a little odd. Perhaps she thinks she'll be fine assuming this is a dream. Probably why she asked for it in the first place. Either way clever setup for that sin earlier in the video lmao have a good one
I love your videos, because they teach me things I otherwise would have probably never heard of like the term "Hunt-n-pecker", because thats exactly how I type
Even if this movie was made for kids, what’s the matter with that ? Is a good introduction of horror for many kids like how it was for me, do you expect that kids go from Halloween specials to midsommar without a middle ground ?
The russian guy has a medal of honor given to citizens who volunteered to help clean up the qaste in and around chernobyl. He is likely blue because of radiation poisoning
2:04 So, Jeremy complains that animated animals have buttholes in "Secret Life of Pets" and "Cats", but if they DON'T have buttholes like in "Zootopia" or "Coraline" it's also a sin?? Make up your mind, Jeremy!
I always figured the mango milkshake bit was a demonstration of the Other Mother's power and something she used to further hook Coraline. Everything in the Otherworld is held together by pure magic, so it's likely the mango wasn't real mango, just mango-flavored. Maybe Coraline really wanted to try a mango milkshake at some point despite her allergy (which as someone with lactose intolerance, I can 100% relate,) and the Other Mother read that in her.
As a kid entire possums would come through the window to steal cat food, and my response would be "oh cool the possum is back" so the idea that she should be afraid of mice is especially stupid to me.
8:28 its possible she likes the taste, and as the kid she is, she's willing to try again despite the repercussions, and the mango shake probably didn't affect her because it may not even be real mango in there, but whatever the heck the Beldam fed her that only made it look and taste like mango, like everything at the other house, which also serves to further drive her into wanting to live there, because there she can eat whatever she wants without triggering any allergies So taking your info into account, it makes for a very good subtle detail from the artists part, and not an oversight
Holy crap! First sin in and I'm already cheering! I just had this argument with a group of people claiming movies were for children simply because they were animated. Shrek was one of the movies that was mentioned and I pointed out that Shrek was not actually made for children, children could watch it but the movie has a PG rating. I had to point out to several people that there's actually a masturbation scene and the only reason why it's PG is because you don't actually see anything explicit, but it's clear to any adult (lotion, napkins, naked in the bed, scrolling through women, premature finishing, etc) What is going on. Just because something is animated does not mean it is for children or exclusively for children!
8:11 I actually think the mango milkshake has quite a bit of significance. It seems "odd" (but as you mentioned isn't uncommon) and shows how easily Coraline is catered to. Additionally, Coraline may very well be aware of her allegy to mangoes and might, in this other world, be able to taste a mango milkshake without having a reaction. Just my two cents though...
15:47 arguable. Sometimes they harass ppl w not nice cars too. No real significance but my brother gets pulled over all the time in his car which is tore up from several accidents. When he drives mine he rarely does. Altho has one time cause he was speeding
Listen, I love musicals, and I like They Might Be Giants. But making _Coraline_ a They Might Be Giants musical would've been a total tone-killer, and I'm glad that idea fell through.
"Besides, nobody is as thick as Elastigirl." Birdgeta: "HA! You got that right!" I *totally* agree, Elastigirl is the definition of _THICC_ and we love her 😊
I could be wrong but according to Selick, Sergei's skin being blue may have something to do with the Chernobyl disaster. The medal on his chest is actually based on a real Soviet medal given to survivors of the incident. Again I could be wrong and it's not important to the story but nice world building
Note: Cinemasins has confirmed he has writers, meaning he likely never actually watches some of the movies he sins and is just shitting on things just for the sake of it.
15:43 in the book coralline did call the police, but they didn’t believe her and just assumed she was playing a game, so they hang up on her saying go out of your mummy that was it so yeah if the film did half that scene here that would be the same thing they would do shit
this movie wasn't for kids yet they had a commercial for it that featured button dad in that piano playing scene constantly saying carolines name in it. this is how i still remember this movie to this day cause that dam song is stuck in my head constantly hearing CAROLINE!
@ 10:06 That happened to Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy, Brian Griffin said he was going to sell a Luxurious apartment to Lou Sharrongdon who Quagmire hated, which made Quagmire want to see it before he saw it. Unfortunately Brian lied to Quagmire, the luxurious apartment that he sold him was actually a dump.
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So Jeremy actually missed that there's an explanation for why the neighbor is blue, you just have to pay attention and be knowledgeable. He has a form of radiation poisoning, something real people have had happen to them, most notably the surviving crew of workers who helped stabilize Chernobyl when it melted down. They gave these workers a medal to commemorate their sacrifice and the neighbor has one of these medals on his chest at all times. So he's blue because he helped prevent a nuclear disaster at Chernobyl
AND survived.
Henry Selick claims it’s because he eats a lot of beets
That’s unlikely to turn you blue
Medically it’s far more likely to be due to an excess of silver in his diet
Where was the explaination? I’m super curious, because I must have missed it.
Honestly as a kid I thought it was because he ate too much blue cheese kind of how like in Demon Slayer a girl ate too much Sakura mochi and her hair turned pink bobinsky ate too much blue cheese and turned blue
"Are kids even worth listening to?"
Yes?? Part of the responsibility of being a parent is to engage in your children and their way of viewing the world even if it's exaggerated or "not worth listening to"
Particularly in this case where it's noted that the reason Caroline's parents don't respond to her properly isn't because what she's saying isn't worth listening to but because _she's_ not worth listening to.
Being emotionally detached does awful things to a child, such as lowering a child's self esteem, resentment and making them seek attention elsewhere, something Coraline shows
Yes
i havent watched the video yet, but i fucking hate when people dehumanize children. they are people too with thoughts and feelings.
EXACTLY. Children are still human beings. Do they seriously think that talking about a child voicing her concerns for her safety/life with the same disdain one would use for a whining dog is okay??? Even if something happened to a kid that WAS over-exaggerated and/or not actually dangerous, _the FEAR is still just as real, and will still affect the child AND their mind/body just as much as it would an adult who actually DID have their life threatened._
*_Threats to your life, be they real or perceived, WILL affect your mind and harm your body if it is repeated and never addressed. THIS DOES NOT SUDDENLY CHANGE IF THE PERSON IS A CHILD._* Ugh.
EXACTLY! Coraline literally sought out attention in an unsafe space, and nearly fucking died because of it! How is this so hard to see??
Caroline? 😭
Fun fact: Coraline did call the police in the book. They wrote her off as a child with an overactive imagination, and told her to have some hot cocoa before going back to bed.
The cat-butthole complaint was the most Jeremy self-reporting ever.
ngl now I'm thinking about why they didn't make the cat a butthole when they even show some tig ol bitties in the film.
Omg I was coming to say the same thing the self-report is HUGE
Animation is not just for kids, I'd hope that a channel called CINEMA sins would get that.
Yeah, that shit can automatically be debunked by multiple adult animated shows and movies made in America.
The only thing they get, is things wrong.
Jeremy's obviously never watched Japanese Anime!
Trix are for kids.
@@johnburn8031 I was originally gonna put that too, but didn't. 😔
15:30 - 15:49 I'd like to point out that Coraline did call the cops in the book, but the officer simply told her to go back to bed since she mentioned the part of her parents being stuck in a mirror and the Other Mother wanted to sew buttons into her eyes. Needless to say, Jeremy has too much faith in a system that doesn't take unnoticed supernatural stuff seriously.
Yeah. I remember reading the book and specfically remembering how the cops wouldn't believe her once she went into specific supernatural stuff.
And that scene is super chilling too. "Go tell your mom that's what the nice policeman said." "When I see her, I will."
@@eatatjoes6751 Yeah, I read the book too back in elementary school as a reading course for English class and re-reading it when I picked it up again on Audible.
Didn’t they also tell her to just go drink hot cocoa?
@@itshamstertime2709 Yeah they did, I read the book and got so mad about that part.
Apparently, Neil Gaiman had difficulty getting the original novel published, since many publishers thought that it was too scary for young children. So, he had his coworker's young daughter read the novel. She approved it, and it was published, yet years later, confessed to Gaiman that she was terrified, but wanted to find out what happened next.
TRINA Q I KEEP RUNNING INTO YOU! YOU'RE EXACTLY LIKE JUSTIN Y.
Idk if that’s a based daughter moment or poor father moment
As a kid who has to read this in I think 6th grade, it was indeed scary
@@specturv9836based daughter. If she expressed discomfort to her dad I'm sure they not only woulda pulled the book but also console her and apologize, but she was a pimp. So we got the movie yrs later. Every horror fan starts out petrified, but gripped to the screen/book.
When I was 12, my English teacher approached me privately before class started and handed me the book from her shelf. She was an older, grandmother looking sort, and she said that she thought I would really enjoy it. So I read it.
I was fucking terrified, but absolutely fascinated by it. It was the first piece of horror media that I actually enjoyed despite being scared. Of course I had nightmares, was always prone to night terrors as a kid, but I never regretted reading it. It really helped me open up to other horror media.
On the Mango Milkshake sin, it is established the Otherworld is magic, and soft magic at that, given the lack of rules. So Coraline could have a Mago Milkshake and not suffer any Allergic reaction. Granted, I am probably giving the writers credit in assuming they are aware of the allergy connection, but there you go, a way for Coraline to be okay with having a Mango Milkshake.
And it could tie into the fact that she wants one specifically because she’s not allowed it in the real world because of her allergies.
Also, sensitivity to the chemical in poison oak and mangoes varies from person to person and there are plenty of people who have a reaction to poison oak but can eat mangoes with little to no reaction.
She also could've explicitly asked for a mango milkshake because she always wanted to try one, but couldn't.
@@thecollector5204 I mean, that is the gist of my argument. She is in a magical world, so she has the opportunity to try stuff she usually could not. (Add the Beldum trying to trick Caroline like a stranger offering a toddler cand,y and it makes more sense.)
It could also just be mango "flavour" not actual mango
Though it is curious that she would ask for such a thing, then again the fact she asks for it could simply be taken as proof she isn't that sensitive to it in the first place
Fun Fact: Mr. Bobinskie (The Russian man) is shown wearing a medal. That medal is real, or well based on a real medal given to those who participated in the Chernobyl clean up. There for we can assume there was an incedent during the cleaning, leading him to develop blue skin
I was just about to comment about that.
Huh didn’t know that
I just commented that, and then scrolled to find this. I was gonna be smart😭. Jessie V watcher maybe?
Or he consumes colloidal silver…
@@strisselstudios3932I can't find this anywhere, where'd you hear this?
I love how Jeremy called the tickling flowers “tulips” when they were clearly mentioned as snapdragons not too shortly afterwards...
don't you know? he's ignorant to everything until it gives him a reason to sin
In his defense that would require him to watch the film
Calling this movie “for kids” is akin to calling Rango, another PG-rated surreal animated movie, “for kids”. A profound mistake, in other words.
Rango was one of my favorite movies as a kid but then again so was Pulp Fiction.
Honestly, If Cinemasins sinnes Rango, he'd propably call it a kids movie anyway 🙄
I think he did do a video on it.@@quicksilveryt4000
7:09 as a kid I definitely would of tried to catch that mouse also loved playing with bugs, snakes and rats
And Caroline is shown to like socalled "creepy" critters throughout the film and I knew many kids like her and me
It's really pathetic how Jeremy thinks everyone has to view things exactly like him
It's amazing that Rango still holds up after all this time.
Yo, Coraline is one of my childhood movies, thanks Birdman for protecting a masterpiece against unworthy criticism.
Every discussion of this movie I learn something new, like how the mango milkshake.
Coraline is a pretty rebellious kid and if American public school has taught me anything- kids with allergies will risk anaphylactic shock at least once. So yeah, risking the milkshake in a world where every is magic and she can have whatever she wants, accurate gullible kid behavior.
For all we know the Other World is the only place where a mango milkshake won't cause a reaction.
@@MariktheGunslingerI mean it’s not normal mango milkshake. It’s “other world mango milkshake”. Who knows, maybe other mother made it not have the thing that causes allergic reactions.
10:19 There’s actually a legitimate reason for why Bobinsky is blue. He wears a Russian hero medal that was given out for those who helped in the Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster, meaning he was one of those heroes and his blue skin was actually from it.
As someone who also struggles with enunciating my words resulting in them sounding like pure gibberish.. Hearing you jab at Jeremy for doing the same will always be nothing short of hilarious.
Honestly though 😭 sometimes I speak and out of nowhere it sounds like I’ve vomited the words into a blender 😂
On the topic of mangos. The part that causes the allergy is the skin, not the flesh.
Not necessarily. It depends on the ripeness of the fruit, and how sensitive the person is to the allergen. Had friends of mine from Florida tell me about the connection between the two, and they said you could always tell if someone ate too many mangoes by the ring of red bumps around their mouths.
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Jeremy's got some nerve to sin my childhood horror movie
Great video by the way
He sinned Iron Giant, so not surprised other masterpieces are possible
If Jeremy is willing to sin WALL.E, then I'm not surprised with Coraline
@@michaelbk0076it’s not that it’s wrong to sin a masterpiece, no piece of art is perfect or without flaws, it’s just that Jeremy is a moron.
While I agree Jeremy was wrong about some of the sins had addressed, Jeremy does not have some nerve. "No movie is without sin"
Jeremy forgets what PG used to mean. Beetlejuice, Empire Strikes Back, The Witches(1990 version), etc. Those were PG and weren't exactly completely kid friendly
If Jeremy wants proof that animation is not just for kids, there are many adult animated movies out there.
He'd have a heart attack if he saw Fritz the Cat
Like _Fritz the Cat._
Although, the themes and subtext of that movie would fly over Jeremy’s head.
Yeah, too bad most adult animation is awful. They think a cartoon character swearing and making sex jokes is enough to call it adult, like in sausage party or in Velma. It’s the equivalent of a film talking down to a child but instead it’s to adults.
let me recommend Arcane, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, A Silent Voice, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Invincible, Entergalactic, 9, @@TheToxicTig3r
Heavy Metal anyone?
Had an ex that was crazy about this movie and introduced me to it. Whole family was a fan of all types of horror flicks and such. The movie is definitely unique and definitely gave me more appreciation for varieties of horror-esc films
I always assumed the mango milkshake thing was Coraline just saying shit. She's being exposed to all this amazing food and magic, it feels in her character to just name something fun sounding.
I actually hate that he sinned her for being left-handed. I’m genuinely angry by that. That is the most unsinnable part of the movie!
Besides that animation is a medium not a genre for a certain age- children do appreciate horror and horror can be beneficial for them to process fears. There used to be more children’s horror media or horror elements- Courage, Goosebumps, Billy and Mandy. Though Coraline managed to be a children’s book bc the agent’s daughter lied, I loved this movie as a kid
The footage of the news lady at six and a half minutes was very unsettling. I think that was more than just a flub. I hope she saw a doctor and got that taken care of. :(
The lady did an interview about it and said it was mostly nerves and her trying to say the whole sentence at once
Apparently she just had a bad migraine
Something called "migraine aura" which can present stroke-like symptoms (I feel like doctors need to come up with a new name...)
I just read a CBS News article about it because I thought she'd had a stroke too
I feel like the mango milkshake could be a subtle hint put there but the movie makers. That they’re giving her something sweet that she thinks she wants but is actually harmful to her
cinemasins likes to judge fantasy kid films with high standards but once it comes to a movie for teens / older kids it's all "think of the children!!"
The fact Jeremy complained about the _animal_ not having an anus is so alarming to me. He claims everything else was animated realistically, but no The shape of the cat's head to neck to shoulders implies an anchored collarbone, and almost makes it look like an anthro cat (like Tom) walking on all fours instead, which is what I _thought_ Jeremy would've sinned when he started off. Not saying that's a better sin or a worthy sin either, but I certainly wasn't expecting Jeremy to complain about the butt.
Jeremy immediately lost me when he said that Coraline is only for kids... Like dawg. Are you serious?
Always nice hearing Birdman pronounce Japanese words so accurately
10:18, Something I wanted to point out which is an extremely cool detail of the movie is that it's implied that his skin is blue due to radiation poisoning, given that he is wearing a liquidator medal. Which, for those who are unaware, was awarded to those who helped during the aftermath of the Chernobyl disaster and were exposed to Alpha, Beta & Gamma strains of Radiation as a result.
I personally think that theory makes a lot of sense. Apparently the "official" reason for Mr. Bobinski's discolored skin is due to heavy consumption of beets. While this does make some sense as severe nitrate poisoning can dye your skin it also comes with other more debilitating side effects such as chronic seizures and vomiting.
The thing too is what's wrong with dark animated family films? Granted some kids would be too scared by some things but other kids like scary stuff. Kids are going to learn eventually that a lot of scary things are going to happen in the world or learn about death and what better, safer way to reach them than through the medium of film or the written word?
That's what I'm saying. Further more what's wrong with HORROR movies for kids? Horror movies are better off separated from non horror, but anyone who thinks that means you can't make a kids horror movie isn't paying attention, and that thinking is what brought us to Bloomfield movies that feel like r rated Disney Channel original Halloween special movies. Making the childhood horror movies actually for kids let's us have great content for kids and then have an autistic kid get beheaded for a god to rise in adult movies.
I remember watching Coraline back in middle school on our homeroom classes throughout a week!
We were like 8-9 and I remember everybody loving it, particularly due to the particularly positively assimilated night terrors! And conversations about how fucking creepy button-eye dolls are for like two weeks
This movie came out when I was in 4th grade. And I remember the week after it came out, everyone was going crazy at the amount of boobage we saw 😂
11:40 "man eating tulips" sir those are snapdragons, and actually a really neat fantasy design for them too that i really enjoy.
Seriously the whole "animation is just for kids" is so overdone and just wrong. Besides the many adult animated shows and movies i can point out, you just have to go back to the 70s and Ralph Bakshi
loved this film as a kid, will never forget watching it in the cinema when I was 11. so many kids and their parents walked out when the more scary elements really kicked in, was my first cinema horror experience that really freaked me out and solidified my love for the genre
You missed a sin. Jeremy called snapdragons tulips.
I feel like Coraline was a gateway film to horror for many Zoomers and younger Millennials. Lure kids in with a PG animated film starring a brightly-colored protagonist by the guy who made Nightmare Before Christmas, get them hooked on body horror and gothic fantasy.
No way CinemaSins had the audacity to sin one of my favorite movies. Kick his ass, Birdman!
Also, the mom could have formed an opinion on Miss Spink and Forcible because theyre famous actors
Keith David makes any movie he's in 200% better.
10:20 There also is an actual explanation for why he’s blue, granted it’s just a visual one. Bobinski has a medal pinned to his shirt that shows he helped deal with Chernobyl
Was looking for this comment.
12:06 the way thebirdman said OMG you felt the pain in his soul
Why yes, a cinema sin of the movie "no cat ass".
15:40 also I heard that in the book/novel version of Coraline she actually did call the police, but they weren’t helpful at all and literally just told her to have some hot chocolate to feel better or something
Coraline is a 10 out of 10 movie! And I'm glad that the bird man is doing this video.
Jeremy points at Coraline and complains about how she's obnoxious when that's sort of the whole point. Most parents who watched this films would probably relate heavily to their kids pestering them
during a super stressful period while they're just trying to make ends meet. When her parents have finished the catalogue and can finally give Coraline more attention, the days finally go from cloudy/rainy to sunny. The entire point is that the Beldam is taking advantage of families at their most vulnerable. Coraline feels isolated and alone, pushes away people trying to get to know her. Hey, the Beldam sounds like it could be an allegory for something!
The movie is a cautionary tale for both parents *and* children.
I love the little differences in the subtitles and the voice over. Like little easter eggs.
“Why does Other Father have glasses?” Because Coraline’s real dad has glasses
Coraline is such a classic Laika film.
First the Nostalgia Critic, now Th3Birdman. If now Cinemawins does this movie too we're officially though i think
Interesting point at 8:09. If Coraline had a poison oak allergy, she could possibly have a mango allergy too. It may just be a coincidence, but Coraline is known for having obscure details such as the double O loop on the Welcome Home cake. In fact, that scene happens seconds after she drinks the mango milkshake.
HELL YEAH~ Finally Th3Birdman is getting justice for Coraline~
6:07 Jeremy's "exclamation" sounds like he just put those 20 bugs from the previous sin in his mouth
"mice cant play trumpet" and magical portals can't take you to magical worlds where everyone has buttons for eyes, yet here we are 😐
Your videos are really great. Not only do you call out Jeremy's bullshit, mistakes, ignorance, etc, you also give actual insight and information to things that I didn't even know about. I found the poison oak, mango milkshake, and even the hunt-and-peck typing details to be very interesting.
To be completely honest, was expecting the sentence for this video after the last sin to be a "Send him to Detroit" joke
Weighing in on the mango discussion, I'm allergic to mangos but I still eat them whenever possible and I haven't died yet! I just get a poison-oak like rash around the outside of my mouth. Mangos are soooo tasty though it's worth it
Dude be careful 🤣🤣🤣
I'm allergic to a lot of different things. I avoid them like the plague 😂
@@Th3Birdman Haha, thanks for the concern! Genuinely though, I mostly go for dried mangos now so the juice doesn't touch my skin. I don't think I'd drink a mango milkshake without a straw 🤣
As someone also allergic to mango I'm pretty sure the type of allergic reaction is different from anaphylaxis somehow. My mouth just gets itchy from eating mango. Probably still not great for me though
8:13 this is just a theory, but the mango milkshake probably isn't even real as the Beldam made everything up with magic... or something like that. Maybe Coraline likes the taste of mango but can't eat it, so a mango shake that doesn't trigger her allergies would make the world seem more like a dream come true.
Beldam can cure a rash so it isn't impossible
Though the fact Coraline is casually gulping it down like it's a delicacy is still a little odd. Perhaps she thinks she'll be fine assuming this is a dream. Probably why she asked for it in the first place.
Either way clever setup for that sin earlier in the video lmao have a good one
One of my favorite animated films
What crazy timing, man. I rewatched this recently and have been watching Coraline theory videos all week. It's like you read my mind.
I love your videos, because they teach me things I otherwise would have probably never heard of like the term "Hunt-n-pecker", because thats exactly how I type
Jeremy thinks animation is for kids... in other words, Jeremy works for TH-cam.
IKR?!
Even if this movie was made for kids, what’s the matter with that ? Is a good introduction of horror for many kids like how it was for me, do you expect that kids go from Halloween specials to midsommar without a middle ground ?
The russian guy has a medal of honor given to citizens who volunteered to help clean up the qaste in and around chernobyl. He is likely blue because of radiation poisoning
jeremy needs to learn that not every pg and g movies aren't for kids, they can be for teens and adults as well.
since parents and guardians can see movies with their kids and nieces and nephews.
2:04 So, Jeremy complains that animated animals have buttholes in "Secret Life of Pets" and "Cats", but if they DON'T have buttholes like in "Zootopia" or "Coraline" it's also a sin?? Make up your mind, Jeremy!
He must have a butthole fetish
Ooh sneak peak, guess this'll make this day....huh.... Day ? of telling th3birdman I appreciate his content
I always figured the mango milkshake bit was a demonstration of the Other Mother's power and something she used to further hook Coraline. Everything in the Otherworld is held together by pure magic, so it's likely the mango wasn't real mango, just mango-flavored. Maybe Coraline really wanted to try a mango milkshake at some point despite her allergy (which as someone with lactose intolerance, I can 100% relate,) and the Other Mother read that in her.
You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this.
This is my favorite movie of all time I'm glad you're covering it 💕
This is truly a great movie
I still don't understand why the dad became a pumpkin or what it was at the end
I imagine the dad changed cause of what the other mother used to create it, man did have alot of orange
Probably because he was originally a pumpkin but the other mother turned him into the father
Probably because the Beldam made him out of a pumpkin
I mean, in the movie, the other mother said that he was ''As hungry as a pumpkin,'' so probably some symbolism hidden there.
he was created from a pumpkin by the other mother
As a kid entire possums would come through the window to steal cat food, and my response would be "oh cool the possum is back" so the idea that she should be afraid of mice is especially stupid to me.
8:28 its possible she likes the taste, and as the kid she is, she's willing to try again despite the repercussions, and the mango shake probably didn't affect her because it may not even be real mango in there, but whatever the heck the Beldam fed her that only made it look and taste like mango, like everything at the other house, which also serves to further drive her into wanting to live there, because there she can eat whatever she wants without triggering any allergies
So taking your info into account, it makes for a very good subtle detail from the artists part, and not an oversight
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Coraline🤬 I guess I’m a “psychopath”, because it’s my comfort movie. Thanks, mom!! 🥰
Yeah that just puts Jermie as a normie with no taste
8:20 I like how you found a sin that wasnt the original sin but could be sinned if they noticed the fact you mention here.
Holy crap! First sin in and I'm already cheering! I just had this argument with a group of people claiming movies were for children simply because they were animated. Shrek was one of the movies that was mentioned and I pointed out that Shrek was not actually made for children, children could watch it but the movie has a PG rating. I had to point out to several people that there's actually a masturbation scene and the only reason why it's PG is because you don't actually see anything explicit, but it's clear to any adult (lotion, napkins, naked in the bed, scrolling through women, premature finishing, etc) What is going on.
Just because something is animated does not mean it is for children or exclusively for children!
8:11 I actually think the mango milkshake has quite a bit of significance. It seems "odd" (but as you mentioned isn't uncommon) and shows how easily Coraline is catered to. Additionally, Coraline may very well be aware of her allegy to mangoes and might, in this other world, be able to taste a mango milkshake without having a reaction. Just my two cents though...
Sometimes im in awe at all the pop culture references there are AND that you recognize them.
15:47 arguable. Sometimes they harass ppl w not nice cars too.
No real significance but my brother gets pulled over all the time in his car which is tore up from several accidents. When he drives mine he rarely does. Altho has one time cause he was speeding
Listen, I love musicals, and I like They Might Be Giants. But making _Coraline_ a They Might Be Giants musical would've been a total tone-killer, and I'm glad that idea fell through.
I feel like we will all finally see Cinema sins's true colours in full force once they get around to sinning the Mario Movie
………… The audacity of that man with the terrible laughter even thinking about sinning this movie.
"Besides, nobody is as thick as Elastigirl."
Birdgeta: "HA! You got that right!"
I *totally* agree, Elastigirl is the definition of _THICC_ and we love her 😊
This is literally my favorite movie of all time. And I have even been wanting you to do coraline
4:32 *Jeremy cant complain about the use of many lamps cliche*
because if there where, he could AND COUNT THEM!
"Are kids really worth listening to."
Plus 100 sins for outing yourself as a sh¡t parent.
I could be wrong but according to Selick, Sergei's skin being blue may have something to do with the Chernobyl disaster. The medal on his chest is actually based on a real Soviet medal given to survivors of the incident. Again I could be wrong and it's not important to the story but nice world building
Note: Cinemasins has confirmed he has writers, meaning he likely never actually watches some of the movies he sins and is just shitting on things just for the sake of it.
So it’s not Jeremy’s fault for the wretched opinions? He’s just like a voice actor for the writers and stuff?
15:43 in the book coralline did call the police, but they didn’t believe her and just assumed she was playing a game, so they hang up on her saying go out of your mummy that was it so yeah if the film did half that scene here that would be the same thing they would do shit
I always liked to think that Coraline not having a reaction to the mango milkshake was intentional
this movie wasn't for kids yet they had a commercial for it that featured button dad in that piano playing scene constantly saying carolines name in it. this is how i still remember this movie to this day cause that dam song is stuck in my head constantly hearing CAROLINE!
I can't believe I never got a notification for this video! Coraline was the shit when I was a kid!
Loving these perks
@ 10:06 That happened to Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy, Brian Griffin said he was going to sell a Luxurious apartment to Lou Sharrongdon who Quagmire hated, which made Quagmire want to see it before he saw it. Unfortunately Brian lied to Quagmire, the luxurious apartment that he sold him was actually a dump.
We got Timberlake three sins in. Is that a new record?
This video is an awesome birthday gift
Birdman !!! 😂😂😂 That kevin garnett skit was funny
I swear, the Sin Counter Sound Effect is just a replacement for a laugh track at this point. 😂
The "Exchlamation" sounded like Jeremys mouth was full with something. An apple, perhaps?^^
Thanks for including Long Johnson