Come on guys, you have to remember the era he grew up and learned in. My teacher was a student of his and had a similar vibrato style. Though I didn't prefer that style, it was his. That style does lean towards the violin vibrato. With the Saxophone, it's a lot more sensitive to minute changes in embouchire. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I wouldn't let that detract from his legacy. Gosh, how many pieces do we have in our repertoire do we have because of him (written for him)?! I don't know about all of you, but I would hope my technique could measure up to his. Besides, I have a dream. Do any of you think there should be a Saxophone section in the standard orchestra? That was what Marcel Mule should have enabled for all of us. My inspiration in this regard comes from George Gershwin. Have a listen to the recording of Rhapsody In Blue from the original concert with the Paul Whiteman band. See if you don't agree with me about the potential that I see. As far as altissimo is concerned. It doesn't surprise me one bit. It wasn't the use that was thought of as wrong, it was the overuse that was. Paul Brodie (my teacher) included it as a staple of technique.
I know it's much later now, but I really do feel saxophone wouldn't work in the orchestra. It's very difficult to blend with a saxophone. From personal experience, my band director's hand is constantly on my head in that "be quiet" way. And I'm playing as soft as I can. In reference to rhapsody in blue, that piece was jazz oriented, which enabled the saxophones to have a part. I need to do a lot more research, and gain experience as a player, but simply from the nature of the saxophone, I really feel it doesn't have a place in the orchestra.
your school band experience is probably not the best place to cite evidence for the saxophone being unable to blend, it’s capable of both extreme sorts and louds, and when played properly doesn’t sound reedy or harsh, but just like pure tone. The best classical saxophone sounds almost don’t even sound like a “saxophone should sound”
Adam Applegate the entire purpose of the saxophone was to blend with any member of the orchestra. It’s is utterly wrong to suggest otherwise. And I’m sorry you weren’t good enough of a player to blend.
@@calesthenics_noob Unfortunately for the vast majority of saxophonists, this is true. In part because of the modern saxophonists lack of ability, and in part due to the vast changes to modern saxophones from their earlier designs. The saxophone was so brilliantly designed to blend so seamlessly with the orchestra. And it is entirely possible to do so. If you listen to the Ibert concerto as performed by Mr. Rascher or by John Kelly, or the likes you will hear a completely different approach to saxophone playing.
i was fortunate to hear him play at the w s congress in chicago.....1979 and he was still great........ the greatest.....one of them anyways...........
He's the master of the french school of playing, which embodies the over expressive vibrato. You cant say he exaggerates it. Any professional musical instructor will tell you that to be over expressive is way better than doing nothing.
Great snapshot in time of a bygone era. Mule is a legend now, justifiably and the Ibert piece is a classic. And who is the pianist jamming on that difficult chamber orchestra piano reduction?
@@sebastianbartholomew8521 tbh I want to go have a look at recital programs, Stetson had quite a Sax roster. It's been 13 years though who knows now lol
@@NoirFan01 well this was eight years ago but honestly went extremely well ! Even just last night I had a nightmare about music school so you could say the whole experience was traumatic despite my success.
him ans sigurd rascher had apposing views on the altissimo thing, thats why ibert puts it as ad. lib. in the music, personally i love his vabrato, i have been able to replicate it and i love it deeply, some do some don't Its an opinion, whatever enjoy!
@CatFlashBlue I think the saxophone is the wind instrument that has the best tone quality. Its like a violin but it has a lot more power. He's a legend of the saxophone,of course, but I wouldn't suggest you to listen to him because his vibrato is too exagerated, go listen other classical saxophonist.
@CatFlashBlue Did you just say bassoon, strings and flute beat the sax for jazz? Are you crazy?? Have you ever heard jazz before? The reason the sax doesn't feature very much in classical music is because it's a new instrument... Classical saxophone can sound amazing. Listen to the "fuzzy bird sonata" and tell me that doesn't sound amazing!
@CatFlashBlue The saxophone has a lot to offer more than any other intrument including violin, clarinet, oboe, etc. It can not only be in jazz, but also in classical and other types of music. For exemple, the violin is only good at one thing, classical, but saxophone is excellent at everything. It's sad that nobody payed attention to the saxophone in its begining. And it's people like you that aren't open to anything, but their instrument that didn't make it happen.
Are you sure this is actually Marcel Mule playing this? I was always under the impression that he hated altissimo and I hear it in both spots in this movement (as opposed to Rascher who pioneered altissimo).
Also Raschers Altissimo was one of the best I've ever heard.. and this is really poorly executed which would fit to Mule as he disliked the usage of altissimo
Props to Branford Marsalis for trying to take this madness on, he failed honestly, but still. Only one besides Mule with a recording worth hearing LOL and the same album as the Scaramouche no less....WORK.
@CatFlashBlue Ugly tone quality? Interesting.... Saxophone is the wind instrument that most closely resembles the human voice. I find it really weird that you would say something like this. I can't imagine that you're a musician if you would make a statement as ignorant as that.
PS double checked he def hits BOTH high A's and Fs in both movements so anyone saying he did not has no ears. He took the octaves jumps. The man helped initiate the use of Saxophone altissimo soooo. Yeah. Get your sheet music and follow along.
All of you need to go listen to John Edward Kelly. Closest to Raschèr that you’ll hear. He embodies the true classical sound this instrument was meant to make. Not this thin panicked french nonsense.
NOT EVEN Marcel Mule could play the staccato downline into section 16 without squeeking. I am just saying...this piece is the Anapurna 2 of Saxophone Compositions. Nearly unconquered and not without struggle....
@@bobmatt5175 lol oh boy. My comment is about literally a specific section of the piece. Unconquerable moments that many STILL have not played correctly in recording...so. whatever bro👍🏻you sound like a sophomore on so many levels💀😂
@CatFlashBlue Jazz is full of poor saxophonists. If it's your DNA, then it's not worth my time or anyone else's to try to change your mind. All I can say is, I'm sorry that you feel that way.
With all respect to Mule, it sound like he is being chased and he is playing it like a Bach when it is Jazz, a lot of performances sound like it is a Bach peace but it is especially obvious in this performance.
Well, the piece was written in 1935 in France and jazz was growing rapidly there at the time. Ibert wrote this peace how he heard jazz, so this is jazz to him. The "being chased" is just what I think.
I listened to this again for the first time in a while. Man, I forgot how fast he played this.
Come on guys, you have to remember the era he grew up and learned in. My teacher was a student of his and had a similar vibrato style. Though I didn't prefer that style, it was his. That style does lean towards the violin vibrato. With the Saxophone, it's a lot more sensitive to minute changes in embouchire. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I wouldn't let that detract from his legacy. Gosh, how many pieces do we have in our repertoire do we have because of him (written for him)?!
I don't know about all of you, but I would hope my technique could measure up to his. Besides, I have a dream. Do any of you think there should be a Saxophone section in the standard orchestra? That was what Marcel Mule should have enabled for all of us. My inspiration in this regard comes from George Gershwin. Have a listen to the recording of Rhapsody In Blue from the original concert with the Paul Whiteman band. See if you don't agree with me about the potential that I see.
As far as altissimo is concerned. It doesn't surprise me one bit. It wasn't the use that was thought of as wrong, it was the overuse that was. Paul Brodie (my teacher) included it as a staple of technique.
I know it's much later now, but I really do feel saxophone wouldn't work in the orchestra. It's very difficult to blend with a saxophone. From personal experience, my band director's hand is constantly on my head in that "be quiet" way. And I'm playing as soft as I can. In reference to rhapsody in blue, that piece was jazz oriented, which enabled the saxophones to have a part. I need to do a lot more research, and gain experience as a player, but simply from the nature of the saxophone, I really feel it doesn't have a place in the orchestra.
your school band experience is probably not the best place to cite evidence for the saxophone being unable to blend, it’s capable of both extreme sorts and louds, and when played properly doesn’t sound reedy or harsh, but just like pure tone. The best classical saxophone sounds almost don’t even sound like a “saxophone should sound”
Adam Applegate the entire purpose of the saxophone was to blend with any member of the orchestra. It’s is utterly wrong to suggest otherwise. And I’m sorry you weren’t good enough of a player to blend.
@@calesthenics_noob Unfortunately for the vast majority of saxophonists, this is true. In part because of the modern saxophonists lack of ability, and in part due to the vast changes to modern saxophones from their earlier designs. The saxophone was so brilliantly designed to blend so seamlessly with the orchestra. And it is entirely possible to do so. If you listen to the Ibert concerto as performed by Mr. Rascher or by John Kelly, or the likes you will hear a completely different approach to saxophone playing.
i was fortunate to hear him play at the w s congress in chicago.....1979
and he was still great........
the greatest.....one of them anyways...........
He's the master of the french school of playing, which embodies the over expressive vibrato. You cant say he exaggerates it. Any professional musical instructor will tell you that to be over expressive is way better than doing nothing.
Any professional musical instructor would tell you to do it properly, not too much or too little......
why do you think he skipped out on the altissimo?
Never heard it played so fast yet so good.
For someone coming from a time when vibrato was very controversial for the sax, he had a lot of balls putting it into his works.
The Master.
Absolute monster. This guy is a god. If only he were still alive and there were better recordings available
Great snapshot in time of a bygone era. Mule is a legend now, justifiably and the Ibert piece is a classic. And who is the pianist jamming on that difficult chamber orchestra piano reduction?
Though Igor Stravinsky hated saxophone we love classical music...!!! I love classical saxophone too!!
Marcel Mule taught Fredrick Hemke, who taught my private lessons teacher, who taught me... So I was indirectly taught by Marcel Mule. Lol.
You and everyone who studied at Stetson University lmfao
@@sglassssssswho taught at Stetson?
@@sebastianbartholomew8521 Dr Bishop (Hemke student) and all his cronies.
@@sebastianbartholomew8521 tbh I want to go have a look at recital programs, Stetson had quite a Sax roster. It's been 13 years though who knows now lol
@@sglasssssss dang, I was supposed to go to Stetson today but I got Covid last minute. It was free to💀
I'm about to play this for my final semester jury... God bless me
How did it go?
@@NoirFan01 well this was eight years ago but honestly went extremely well ! Even just last night I had a nightmare about music school so you could say the whole experience was traumatic despite my success.
Marcel Mule is a legend
him ans sigurd rascher had apposing views on the altissimo thing, thats why ibert puts it as ad. lib. in the music, personally i love his vabrato, i have been able to replicate it and i love it deeply, some do some don't Its an opinion, whatever enjoy!
Say what you want about his vibrato, but his technique and tone are clean clean clean!
Je viens de découvrir par hasard qu'il existait des enregistrements de Mr Marcel Mule, qui fût le professeur de mon professeur de saxo.
surprised he played altissimo
@CatFlashBlue I think the saxophone is the wind instrument that has the best tone quality. Its like a violin but it has a lot more power. He's a legend of the saxophone,of course, but I wouldn't suggest you to listen to him because his vibrato is too exagerated, go listen other classical saxophonist.
@CatFlashBlue Did you just say bassoon, strings and flute beat the sax for jazz? Are you crazy?? Have you ever heard jazz before?
The reason the sax doesn't feature very much in classical music is because it's a new instrument... Classical saxophone can sound amazing. Listen to the "fuzzy bird sonata" and tell me that doesn't sound amazing!
very nice!!!!!!!!!! =)
Saxophones are amazing!! lol I have tryouts for a Tenor soon...I'm so nervous. I've only played a Tenor once and it was a simple scale.
I know it's been 9 years, but, how'd it go?
Anyone know the piano player?
Hola hello
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@CatFlashBlue The saxophone has a lot to offer more than any other intrument including violin, clarinet, oboe, etc. It can not only be in jazz, but also in classical and other types of music. For exemple, the violin is only good at one thing, classical, but saxophone is excellent at everything. It's sad that nobody payed attention to the saxophone in its begining. And it's people like you that aren't open to anything, but their instrument that didn't make it happen.
GO SAXOPHONES!!!!
damn, this song is too hard for me.
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Are you sure this is actually Marcel Mule playing this? I was always under the impression that he hated altissimo and I hear it in both spots in this movement (as opposed to Rascher who pioneered altissimo).
At 1:52 that part is supposed to be an octave up. In the other two instances the altissimo is actually easier than jumping down the octave.
Also Raschers Altissimo was one of the best I've ever heard.. and this is really poorly executed which would fit to Mule as he disliked the usage of altissimo
Why exactly did Mule hate altissimo? If he took a more violin like approach, shouldn't he have been really comfortable with it?
This is not Rascher's tone, vibrato, or musical approach. Not Rascher for sure.
Props to Branford Marsalis for trying to take this madness on, he failed honestly, but still. Only one besides Mule with a recording worth hearing LOL and the same album as the Scaramouche no less....WORK.
I’m sorry you can’t find good recordings. There are MANY of higher quality that’s this. And using modern saxophone technique.
it's definitely not Rascher with that vibrato
@CatFlashBlue Ugly tone quality? Interesting.... Saxophone is the wind instrument that most closely resembles the human voice. I find it really weird that you would say something like this. I can't imagine that you're a musician if you would make a statement as ignorant as that.
PS double checked he def hits BOTH high A's and Fs in both movements so anyone saying he did not has no ears. He took the octaves jumps. The man helped initiate the use of Saxophone altissimo soooo. Yeah. Get your sheet music and follow along.
Please post a video of you playing better than him. Thank you.
LOL give me another 3 years😭😂
Am I hearing it wrong or did he leave out the high F#?
All of you need to go listen to John Edward Kelly. Closest to Raschèr that you’ll hear. He embodies the true classical sound this instrument was meant to make. Not this thin panicked french nonsense.
NOT EVEN Marcel Mule could play the staccato downline into section 16 without squeeking. I am just saying...this piece is the Anapurna 2 of Saxophone Compositions. Nearly unconquered and not without struggle....
Any half competent undergrad could play it nowadays
@@bobmatt5175 lol 100% untrue but spoken like an undergrad👍🏻😉
@@sglasssssss lmao if you think ibert is the peak of saxophone repertoire, you are very very very bad and uninformed
@@bobmatt5175 lol oh boy. My comment is about literally a specific section of the piece. Unconquerable moments that many STILL have not played correctly in recording...so. whatever bro👍🏻you sound like a sophomore on so many levels💀😂
@@bobmatt5175 unless your next reply is you posting a video of you playing this piece perfectly, I am done here🤗 lolol
@CatFlashBlue Jazz is full of poor saxophonists. If it's your DNA, then it's not worth my time or anyone else's to try to change your mind. All I can say is, I'm sorry that you feel that way.
With all respect to Mule, it sound like he is being chased and he is playing it like a Bach when it is Jazz, a lot of performances sound like it is a Bach peace but it is especially obvious in this performance.
Well, the piece was written in 1935 in France and jazz was growing rapidly there at the time. Ibert wrote this peace how he heard jazz, so this is jazz to him. The "being chased" is just what I think.
Also heard Delangle's TH-cam performance and thought that some tempos were hurried and rushed. A sense of urgency.
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