This is NOT about “earning a living” or even “making a profit”! This is about stopping private transfer in its entirety - at best, and far more sinister at worst!
It’s a step in the plan to remove our rights, nothing less. They are beta testing what works in various states. The most pro 2a states will get less restrictive laws, but they will still get new laws that help the end goal.
Its another way for the bidenstration to attack political enemies or anyone they dont agree with. The “rule” is so vague they can use it against nearly anyone .
Ok so what about the transfer of weapons to drug cartels? Untold millions of border jumpers,before worrying about legal citizens selling according to the law. We may want to consider two or three million unknown people having military grade fire arms. The private seller has a copy of the driver's license and a signed receipt, for their protection. Our concern is not gun sales but who is being armed by someone who has already broken immigration law to get the unknown into our cities. Don't tell me the cartels bought all those 50 caliber machine guns and sniper rifles at local gun shows. They are not using AR 15s.
I remember when buying a gun was the same as buying a basketball. You paid your money and walked out. There was no paperwork other than a receipt. We're not a bit safer today because of the background checks.
Clearly she's way out of touch with "home ffl" dealers requirements! My father bought and sold guns as his 2nd business since the early 60's. By the 80's they required him to designate a specific part of our home as his gun business and increasingly added security requirements to that area and other restrictions. I doubt most people wanting to sell their guns today would have the location in their home to store their guns as required by the ATF to even be granted a license so they could legally sell their guns. Going through a gun dealer requires the guy selling his collection to pay a steep payment off the top which far exceeds what a table at a gun show costs. All these politicians that voted this through need to be voted out of office.
Yeah we are spoiled but most of us remember when it was common place to buy a gun the same day with no issues, the current political climate wants you to not be armed.
I remember when my father mailed a check to a gun dealer in another city. 5 days later the postman delivered a rifle to our house. We have lost so many of our rights !!
@@dkstudioart What you don’t understand is that a minor clerical error by the government is usually next to impossible to get corrected. I’m a lawyer. I deal with our nightmare government frequently. So if some bored federal employee types the info into “the system” wrong it may take YOU ( because they screwed up) days or weeks to get approved. EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU TRY TO EXERCISE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BUY A FIREARM.
What’s next….your auto can only be sold thru a car dealer!! You don’t ensure the next owner has a valid drivers license!! FU govt requirement for control.
Well owning a car is completely different. I do understand your analogy of it but owning a vehicle is a privilege not a constitutional right. All these rules the ATF and the federal government implies is a direct infringement on our constitutional right to bare arms. That's why they do this crap. Actually if you look at how many people get killed and injured each year by drivers without license you will find it's comparable to gun violence death and injuries, that's not taking into account of drunk and or people on drugs. What I'm getting at they want you and I to be unarmed so they can control us.
There have been moves to make it so you can only have your car serviced at a dealership. So far it has been struck down in many places but that day is coming.
It sounds like she wants you to sell grandpas collection to her and the other gun shops ONLY so that THEY can be buying them up for pennies on the dollar and be making all of the profit themselves. This is disgusting.
@@MyWillypilly Right. She seems like a very nice lady, but this isn't about that at all. This is business. I buy and sell everything for a living, and if I can get a good deal on a gun collection, I'm gonna have to go in for it (Even if they're just for me).
@@blang38 It has to do with a right to bear arms that *"shall not be infringed."* Any "law" or "rule" that attempts to dictate where, how, or who we acquire those firearms from is an "infringement," and is therefore *illegal*
With the acceptance of needing a license to sell a firearm when will it be acceptable for needing a license to speak or for any other constitutional right?
It is a constitutional right to own and sell your own private property. I am now an FFL, but I collected my own precious items for a long time. Selling privately to friends would never have needed a background check, so how can they force it now, without a new federal law?!!
Love you guys, but it seems like you are not just ok with government overreach on the subject but in favor of it. I respectfully ask you to reevaluate supporting “ common sense “ gun control. More regulation and more red tape is a form of gun control. If asking someone to present ID to vote is an infringement of rights then how much more is it to require background checks and waiting periods, license to sell and trade? Imagine having to have a license to farm or buy groceries, a background check and health evaluation to buy sugar or bread?
This is exactly what I wanted to say. I do love you guys.....But you are not thinking about this correctly. It sounds like you are ok with delays of days or weeks before you can even find out if you will even getting to buy the new gun. This is just more government over reach. They are trying to get into every bit of our lives. They are now trying to regulate selling eggs and owning frickin chickens. It a way way too much. And it's just not ok. Too much government for me.
That sounds good in the theory, but professional licenses have existed for centuries because if given the chance, people will put making money over ethics. Making professionals keep up a minimum standard is good for the public at large.
@@Odin029 True, but is you have legally owned weapon and want to sell it to a legal buyer then what is the problem? This is the first step to a slippery slope. Do you trust any government to do the right thing?
@daveadock2874 Unfortunately I can't trust any random Joe any more than I can trust a government. You have no idea how many plumbing jobs I've gotten over the years because the homeowner trusted an unlicensed guy who seemed nice.
Do YOU pay registration fees on your vehicles? Why do you pay them? Because every body else does? Is it not Your right to not pay it? Totally a comment from one that never payed ssi but will expect full benifits when they are old and more useless.
FFL don’t like the average guy trading or purchasing, use firearms to resell . That cuts out the ridiculous lowball prices FFL‘s give you four a used firearm and then turn around and sell for an outrageous price.. stop gouging your customers to cover your overhead all in one sale.if someone has a concealed carry permit. That’s all the background check needed for a private seller, and it should be all you need for a FFL. Every thang you think you know and said about private sellers is a infringement on our constitutional rights.
This lady is a joke . And the attorney standing next to her ain’t no better. People like this are the reason we keep losing our Second Amendment rights 1 inch at a time . There trying to justify overreach. Which will benefit both of their businesses. . Now you can see their true colors sell out.
I’m a lawyer. I know some law. But If I want to sell my gun I have no ability to do a background check. So I’m just screwed unless I want to sell to a dealer who we all know is going to give me much less for my firearm than a private citizen who isn’t buying my gun for the purpose of making a profit. THAT’s WRONG!!!!!
Sell the used gun with no paper work. How are they going to prove when you sold it? Or sell a candy bar for 1500.00 and sell the gun for .99. No profit made off gun . I don’t I’ll be following this made up bs rule.
Imagine what a great country this was. A house kit and gun Shipped. No government involvement. Oh and crime was lower. Sears was Americana as Howard johnson
Years ago I used to shop for guns using the Shotgun News. That publication (if it still exists) was geared toward FFLs and retailers. I would scour that paper looking for interesting things to buy, sometimes old foreign surplus guns but also other stuff. When I found something I wanted I would take it to a pawn shop I knew, and they would buy it for me +10% and all the taxes and fees. Of course they had an FFL and were a legitimate business, but that's how they made their money. They didn't have a huge stock of weapons on hand that they had to borrow money to buy. Their business model catered to buyers who understood the business and knew what they wanted, and they did well. The customer got exactly what he wanted and at a good price. I believe they are still in business today, though I no longer collect, haven't for a long time. Divorce forced the sale of my collection, so now I just watch all you young folks having fun out on the range via TH-cam. That's my life story, and if you have read this far may God bless you for your patience. I probably wouldn't have done it. 😀
You can count on the ATF attending any future gun shows to verify enforcement. Years ago I was a hotel desk clerk/night auditor. I used to check in ATF agents a few days prior to the local gun show. The way I know they were ATF agents was at the time of check in they used an AmEx card with the ATF logo on it. One day I checked in three (3) ATF agents. They will continue to attempt to enforce any new regulations. Be careful everyone!
This is the first time I have ever disagreed with one of your videos and even though I think the world of Maggie, in this case you are wrong! If I desire to sell a gun I own and I am going to make any money at all on it, I should not have to get an FFL to do so! I am not trying to make a living on the sale and likely the money I make will go back into another firearm but the government has NO business in my private sale! This sounds like a big gold mine for FFL's who now will be able to charge every private sale a transfer fee and try to claim we are safer.
I bought firearms that I didn’t have to pass a background check pre Brady. Gun shows were held a VFW posts for individuals to come and buy/trade their guns, then it was commercialized still to buy/trade amongst others. Not no more! One needs to read this rule and it will give you the hebe gebeeis.
And what about the individual who wants to sell his 1 private gun whos walking around with a sign on his backpack? Sounds like the equivalent of you needing to become a dealer to sell your own car. And sounds like a gun registry
The whole point is to place undue pressure on everyday people and to make sure that they don’t purchase anything that they can’t track. Oh, I forgot, that don’t have a registry of any kind. LOL
Never been to a gun show where prices arent sky high compared to gun shops or online. Last gun show we went to we had our pocket knives sharpened, and we bought a buffalo skull, a patch, and 2 slingshots.....
I have owned and carried guns for fifty years. I’m a native Texan and was licensed as a non resident in Massachusetts to carry a high capacity automatic. Gun shows have indeed changed. I went with a friend for several years to shows here in north Texas. The last two times I was trying to sell guns I inherited and the guys at the tables were offering low prices in my opinion. At a couple of the tables they told me to look for two specific Hispanic men and three specific black men. On group was buying guns to sell to street gangs and the others were buying for cartels in Mexico. I asked how they knew that and they told me they saw them at all the gun shows they had been to for the last few months. I sold them to the dealers for the low price. If you can’t pass an FFL background you don’t deserve to possess a firearm, Second Amendment be damned. Crime has exploded across certain segments of America and Mexico driven by this illegal sales. Support you local gun store and be proud of your legal right and solid background as a citizen of the USA!
In Arkansas, I walk in , choose the firearm, put my concealed carry permit down with payment, and walk out after 3-5 minutes of paperwork. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. I'm glad they are breaking down on people NOT CHECKING FOR FELONS! I am sorry if you made a mistake in the past and have a record. I made financial mistakes and pay for it every day with my credit score. Be legal, be safe, and be carrying responsibly.😊
Yep I want my 16 bucks back gun shows used to be fun now they're crowded with too many people and vendors not selling what the public wants big waste nowadays:(
It wasn't that long ago when we could order a gun from Sears and have it sent to our door. We need less government in our lives, not more. The problem with incrementalism is that the effects are cumulative.
If a gun was purchased in the 1960 and you're selling it to just get it gone due to age to your friend, I have no idea how they could prove you just sold it.
I'm 53 and have only been to one gun show in my life, a little over a year ago. I left with a little Nebo 2K flashlight and a silly looking 15-round single-stack mag stick for my Hi-Point C9. To say that I was unimpressed is an understatement, and this was in central Arkansas, where you'd think the best of the best is abundant.
Registration followed by confiscation! You can bet your boots that all of the background check paperwork that has been compiled, over the years, is safely stored, ready to be used against us
In my state, if you have your concealed carry permit you usually don't have to get a background check. You're up to date permit already says you've had a background check. There are a few dealers who still do it but generally I fill out the paperwork, pay for it, and walk out the door.
At 76 with cancer I had to move into a senior living facility. They do not allow firearms so I gave all my guns to my son. That is like 15 handguns and 9 long guns. A few were handed down to me years ago. I never checked into any current laws, if any, for handing down firearms to your grown children. Not even sure where to have checked. He has two small children so my gun vault was included and he had bought the expensive cases to carry some on the plane when he went home. Probably not legal but some guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition got shipped in a POD across many states. Funny no guns allowed but I still have my recurve bow which can be as deadly as a lot of the guns I could not keep.
If I've ever sold or traded a firearm privately, I've lost some or barely broke even. For me to get a license to lose money doesn't make sense. Oh, but I can take something to a pawn shop or gun store and lose money there, and that's ok! Is the irs going to consider that income? To be taxed at the end of the year? The shops don't like the competition of private transactions. If you bought a new pistol and bring it back 3 months later, you'll get a fraction of what you paid. Now the shop sells a like new model for slightly less than a new one but makes much more profit. None of my local shops approve of private transactions. What if it's stolen? What if what you sell is used in a crime sometime later? Is it time for hammers to be serialized just in case.....🤷🤦
It would seem that both of you have forgotten about our God given 2nd amendment rights? I worked for a licensed dealer in Missouri for 18 years and he was against selling consignment guns as it was a form of competition and took up his display cases. I have watched your channel for years now and until today, your videos have been good. After watching this video it seems that you two have sided with this administration unlawful "rules". Sadly, many dealers would believe that this most recent ATF ruling will "satisfy" the anti gunners, and they will now be safe from further attacks? Believe me, this is only the beginning and I can foresee these idiots becoming more emboldened and coming for the licensed dealers next.
You are way off on most of your points. The government REQUIRES ZONING APROVAL to issue an FFL, there will not be very many new FFL holders due to this requirement. This is an attempt to limit transactions to a very limited number of locations. Many areas the average person will not get zoning approval, so sales in those areas.
To buy a firearm in Canada one is required to have a “Possession & Acquisition Licence”, a federally administered programme that proves the purchaser has already gone through the criminal background check, references, firearm safety course and is aware of the safe storage & transport laws. It is renewed every five years just like you would a drivers licence. Cuts out the waiting time & paperwork for each private or retail firearm or ammo purchase. Probably wouldn’t work in the U.S though where each state has different firearm laws.
The government did spend $42 million trying to figure out a way to collect newly prohibited models in some kind of buyback scheme” but not a single one has been forfeited by a licenced owner. There are over 2.2 million licenced firearms owners in Canada and things are looking pretty bleak for the Liberals come the next election. Trudeau will be voted out in a landslide if current polls are to be believed.
I remember when the NICS check system was put in place in the late 1990's. And what people predicted then is happening now. NICS was a "gateway drug" to total and complete control of ALL firearms sales. Read the rule very, very carefully. Because now, if anyone wants to sell a gun or two from their collection, they must sell to a dealer at wholesale price, never recouping anything near what they paid for it. And if the seller does a private sale and keeps any kind of record of what they paid for it, and then provides that record as proof that they did NOT make a profit, then they can also be charged with "dealing without a license" because they kept a record! It's a "no win" scenario, since one proves one's guilt by attempting to prove one's innocence! It's evil trickery! The entire idea is to stop ALL private transfers so everything goes thru a dealer, so that there's a record of everything that the gov't can add every gun to the registry.
I realize I'm spoiled because my mom is a legal immigrant. She always reminded me to not take things for granted. USA! where poor is living like a king compared to the rest of the world.
The problem is not really requiring an FFL at shows. It's that any time you sell to a store front dealer it's 0.6 times it's true value (at best) - a big loss to the seller.
Typical gun store owner/worker, they have the attitude that they are doing me a favor by selling me a gun. These two individuals sounds like libs. If your relative passes, bring it to an FFL and PAY them to sell your guns. Hmm, they want a cut of your money.
I don't know what state you're in but I've been to several gun shows here in Florida and I have never seen one table set up where you could buy a gun without a background check.
I put an ad in the classified section in the newspaper with a phone number when I want to sell a gun and always will. I’m not sharing the sale price with anyone.
I’ve never been to a gun show where someone had a table but didn’t have a FFL, and I’ve been to a lot of guns shows. Now Now I’ve seen people walk around with a gun they want to sell privately.
A honest conversation about private gun sells. Not the stupid so called Gun Show Loophole. If you are forced to sell your guns through a third party, you will not get the full retail value for your guns,
Gun shows are huge in southeast Louisiana and you are not making a purchase without a backround check. The only exception here would be a person who walks through the show with a weapon (made safe) and people ask how much. That aside all sales are run through the FEDS.
The longest I had to wait was about 30 minutes or so, from a Sporting Goods chain store. Normally it's 10 minutes or even less from our local gun stores.
Selling a Firearm "privately" puts the Responsibility and Liability on YOU if there is NO NICS check. If you DO NOT know the buyer, you are taking a BIG risk.
Gun shows have changed a lot since the advent of the internet. The more unusual, rare and desirable guns go to internet websites and online auctions where they are likely to bring a higher price due to more exposure to more potential buyers. Old, unusual and interesting gun-related non-gun items end up on E-bay (or wherever) where they will also bring higher prices.
Quite often the police working security and checking firearms at the entrance try to buy my everyday carry firearms before I even get in. Generally I carry revolvers and many are older than me.
98 percent of gun shows are FFL Dealers. Years ago I bought a Baker Double barrel 16 gauge shotgun privately,and the gun hadn't been produced since 1933. I told the guy,"Well I'm 100 percent legal anyway."
No we have not. Rights are gifts from GOD. We can't buy them. We HAVE paid for the Freedom to exercise those rights. Rights and Freedom are NOT two names for the same thing.
Sorry was dragging on n on but problem I see is like local problem. "People" illegally selling tamales and other food out of the back of their minivans while local restaurant owners have permits, pay taxes, fees and are inspected. Have no problem with personal or family transfers but messing over legal business peoples is wrong.
i’m 75 years old I’ve been honey since I was seven. Every weapon I own was bought legally for the background check. Make sure I was a nut. Every gun owner just passed a background check before purchasing any Weapon
Wow, I've never had to wait that long to purchase a firearm, other than the first time I purchased a pistol and I had to wait the waiting period(I've since gotten a CCW to avoid the waiting periods). I think the longest I've ever had to wait was 30-45 minutes and the person at the counter told me up front there was a computer problem on the other end and all background checks had to be done over the phone.
In a nutshell if you sell 1 gun out of your personal collection, under the new rule you have committed a felony! It's completely up to atfs discretion, according to the wording.
True of false: once you buy your firearm legally in USA, you can never sell it without AFT declaring you are a dealer? Even if you go to gun shop for the transfer?
Why would anyone go to a gun show? It is mostly junk at inflated prices. I have been to two in my small town and I was out the door in 20 minutes. Same broken down creepy people selling junk. I know there are higher end shows else where and auctions, but not in my po dunk town.
WHat if I sell my 20+year military surplus collection, through an auction house and people go bananas over my guns, netting me far, far more than I paid 20+ years ago. Will I have to get an FFL just to sell my guns through an auction or on consignment?
What about the casual "accumulator" that wants to upgrade 3-6 firearms a year? Or quit collecting Lugers and move to Pre-64 Winchesters? Will my local firearms dealer be willing to charge me a minimal amount ($20 or so?) if I want to sell or buy or trade with an acquaintance? Maybe a member of my local gun club? Or a person I've been corresponding with on a forum? What about transferring it to a relative? Will my children have to fork over $50/item if I pass away with 50+ regulated items. I see this has the potential to significantly reduce the value of lifetime "accumulations" and I fear a very HUGE windfall used gun dealers.
It opens up the 100% possibility of a Federal gun register and there will be individuals going around charging for background checks. I won't pay it. You want to sell me a firearm then you do the check for no charge.
I've been to theee gun shows in my life and my experience at these shows was mostly the firearms being sold by private people were way over priced or looked like they were drug down a dirt road. I always buy my firearms from my local FFL.
I don't like the rule. pass it through congress as a law like it should be done. I disagree with the rule because of the way it was implemented not the rule itself. As a buyer I would never buy from a private seller anyways because that gun could have been used in a crime. I don't want to take that chance. Sellers take the chance of selling to a prohibited person, who might commit crime, because they use the honesty method most of the time and not everyone is honest. I see why they push for this but it needs to pass in congress not by executive order IMHO.
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This is NOT about “earning a living” or even “making a profit”! This is about stopping private transfer in its entirety - at best, and far more sinister at worst!
It’s a step in the plan to remove our rights, nothing less.
They are beta testing what works in various states. The most pro 2a states will get less restrictive laws, but they will still get new laws that help the end goal.
Its another way for the bidenstration to attack political enemies or anyone they dont agree with. The “rule” is so vague they can use it against nearly anyone .
Agreed fkem I will not comply legislators make law not atf it’s almost time
Ok so what about the transfer of weapons to drug cartels?
Untold millions of border jumpers,before worrying about legal citizens selling according to the law.
We may want to consider two or three million unknown people having military grade fire arms.
The private seller has a copy of the driver's license and a signed receipt, for their protection.
Our concern is not gun sales but who is being armed by someone who has already broken immigration law to get the unknown into our cities.
Don't tell me the cartels bought all those 50 caliber machine guns and sniper rifles at local gun shows.
They are not using AR 15s.
Heaven forbid people buy something without government permission!!
How many of you remember going to a Flea Market and picking up a Firearm ?
@@dcarkhuf I do remember!!! And garage sales!!!
Ironically, I just got the tax notice for one of my vehicles today, even though I bought it with cash. Sucks to keep paying for it.
They will murder you just like the airline guy but any law against the constitution against the law
I thought we were a capitalist economy/government?
I remember when buying a gun was the same as buying a basketball. You paid your money and walked out. There was no paperwork other than a receipt. We're not a bit safer today because of the background checks.
Most of the new gun owners, have no idea what it's like to just BUY something....
YOU think those background checks , they are throwing the information around. NO. It's a workaround to registration.
Clearly she's way out of touch with "home ffl" dealers requirements!
My father bought and sold guns as his 2nd business since the early 60's.
By the 80's they required him to designate a specific part of our home as his gun business and increasingly added security requirements to that area and other restrictions.
I doubt most people wanting to sell their guns today would have the location in their home to store their guns as required by the ATF to even be granted a license so they could legally sell their guns.
Going through a gun dealer requires the guy selling his collection to pay a steep payment off the top which far exceeds what a table at a gun show costs.
All these politicians that voted this through need to be voted out of office.
I don't believe buying something in person then expecting to be able to bring it home Is a privilege.
exactly what i was thinking, i was like WTF?
Yeah we are spoiled but most of us remember when it was common place to buy a gun the same day with no issues, the current political climate wants you to not be armed.
I remember when my father mailed a check to a gun dealer in another city. 5 days later the postman delivered a rifle to our house. We have lost so many of our rights !!
(^^^) Correct
@@dkstudioart What you don’t understand is that a minor clerical error by the government is usually next to impossible to get corrected. I’m a lawyer. I deal with our nightmare government frequently. So if some bored federal employee types the info into “the system” wrong it may take YOU ( because they screwed up) days or weeks to get approved. EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU TRY TO EXERCISE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BUY A FIREARM.
Having a license to sell alcohol is comparing apples with oranges. You can sell liquor without requiring everyone to have a background check.
What’s next….your auto can only be sold thru a car dealer!! You don’t ensure the next owner has a valid drivers license!! FU govt requirement for control.
This is a excellent analogy 👍👍
Well owning a car is completely different. I do understand your analogy of it but owning a vehicle is a privilege not a constitutional right. All these rules the ATF and the federal government implies is a direct infringement on our constitutional right to bare arms. That's why they do this crap. Actually if you look at how many people get killed and injured each year by drivers without license you will find it's comparable to gun violence death and injuries, that's not taking into account of drunk and or people on drugs. What I'm getting at they want you and I to be unarmed so they can control us.
There have been moves to make it so you can only have your car serviced at a dealership. So far it has been struck down in many places but that day is coming.
It's all the fault of a single word that no person in government can remotely fathom: "infringed"!!
It sounds like she wants you to sell grandpas collection to her and the other gun shops ONLY so that THEY can be buying them up for pennies on the dollar and be making all of the profit themselves. This is disgusting.
She’s annoying af. Fake af too
You are totally correct !
I like her. But FFL will have pick of the litter so to speak. They can pluck and buy the nicest guns for themselves. That is wrong too.
@@MyWillypilly Right. She seems like a very nice lady, but this isn't about that at all. This is business. I buy and sell everything for a living, and if I can get a good deal on a gun collection, I'm gonna have to go in for it (Even if they're just for me).
"I can't sell alcohol without a license" - true, but the second amendment does not protect alcohol sales.
The 9th Amendment does.
Interesting. Maybe it's time for *ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAXATION* to end...
What an odd argument. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with "selling/buying".
@@blang38 Yes it does. The "shall not be infringed" part covers acquiring and disposing. Otherwise, the Amendment has no effect.
@@blang38 It has to do with a right to bear arms that *"shall not be infringed."* Any "law" or "rule" that attempts to dictate where, how, or who we acquire those firearms from is an "infringement," and is therefore *illegal*
Any one who wants a gun and has money can buy a gun. Criminals don’t do background checks. Nothing is going to change
With the acceptance of needing a license to sell a firearm when will it be acceptable for needing a license to speak or for any other constitutional right?
Absolutely!!!! This lady is missing the point.
"Hey, you got a license for that meme?"
It is a constitutional right to own and sell your own private property. I am now an FFL, but I collected my own precious items for a long time. Selling privately to friends would never have needed a background check, so how can they force it now, without a new federal law?!!
Love you guys, but it seems like you are not just ok with government overreach on the subject but in favor of it. I respectfully ask you to reevaluate supporting “ common sense “ gun control. More regulation and more red tape is a form of gun control. If asking someone to present ID to vote is an infringement of rights then how much more is it to require background checks and waiting periods, license to sell and trade? Imagine having to have a license to farm or buy groceries, a background check and health evaluation to buy sugar or bread?
Very well put!!!!!
Let's not forget about why we have a right to bare arms. The government is scared to death of Donald Trump and an unafraid America.
They aren’t in favor of it. But they are trying to explain what restrictions the government is placing on the selling of firearms.
This is exactly what I wanted to say. I do love you guys.....But you are not thinking about this correctly. It sounds like you are ok with delays of days or weeks before you can even find out if you will even getting to buy the new gun. This is just more government over reach. They are trying to get into every bit of our lives. They are now trying to regulate selling eggs and owning frickin chickens. It a way way too much. And it's just not ok. Too much government for me.
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Nobody is twisting your arms to own a gun shop. People should be able to sell anything that they own.
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That sounds good in the theory, but professional licenses have existed for centuries because if given the chance, people will put making money over ethics. Making professionals keep up a minimum standard is good for the public at large.
@@Odin029 True, but is you have legally owned weapon and want to sell it to a legal buyer then what is the problem? This is the first step to a slippery slope. Do you trust any government to do the right thing?
@daveadock2874 Unfortunately I can't trust any random Joe any more than I can trust a government. You have no idea how many plumbing jobs I've gotten over the years because the homeowner trusted an unlicensed guy who seemed nice.
That's literally what they are passing you can't even sell a gun to a neighbor or family member anymore
A right delayed is a right denied! Gun stores don't like the competion of a home based FFL. Fuds!
Do YOU pay registration fees on your vehicles? Why do you pay them? Because every body else does? Is it not Your right to not pay it? Totally a comment from one that never payed ssi but will expect full benifits when they are old and more useless.
@js7127 Comparing a right to a privilege only proves your ignorance, and the uphill battle the Second Amendment community faces.
FFL don’t like the average guy trading or purchasing, use firearms to resell . That cuts out the ridiculous lowball prices FFL‘s give you four a used firearm and then turn around and sell for an outrageous price.. stop gouging your customers to cover your overhead all in one sale.if someone has a concealed carry permit. That’s all the background check needed for a private seller, and it should be all you need for a FFL. Every thang you think you know and said about private sellers is a infringement on our constitutional rights.
This lady is a joke . And the attorney standing next to her ain’t no better. People like this are the reason we keep losing our Second Amendment rights 1 inch at a time . There trying to justify overreach. Which will benefit both of their businesses. . Now you can see their true colors sell out.
@@stephenboldrey9973i cannot stand her either. Her fake happy personality is annoying
Regular Joes should be able to sell what ever the hell they want
I’m a lawyer. I know some law. But If I want to sell my gun I have no ability to do a background check. So I’m just screwed unless I want to sell to a dealer who we all know is going to give me much less for my firearm than a private citizen who isn’t buying my gun for the purpose of making a profit. THAT’s WRONG!!!!!
Sell the used gun with no paper work. How are they going to prove when you sold it? Or sell a candy bar for 1500.00 and sell the gun for .99. No profit made off gun . I don’t I’ll be following this made up bs rule.
I’m old enough to remember buying guns from the Sears catalog! Pistols, rifles, shotguns!! Yes!! I still have a Ted Williams 30-30! Yep from Sears
It all changed in 1968
Imagine what a great country this was. A house kit and gun Shipped. No government involvement. Oh and crime was lower. Sears was Americana as Howard johnson
Now that has been a while back, I remember seeing the gun Display at Montgomery Wards, late 70s early 80s
Where is the historical precedent for all this B.S. as required by Bruin?
LOL, this woman keeps saying, "pay for the right". Last I checked, you don't have to pay for a right.
I have a question, how do they stop gangs from trading in firearms?
With the current state of Mass stabbings. When will the government start issuing serial numbers to blades and us the public having to register them?.
Australia mass stabbing,imagine if it was a gun. The tool is irrelevant. Murder is murder.
Ban ghost knives
They want to start a national registry for confiscation. FJB FATF FNFA FCIA FIRS WE NEED A NEW GOVERNMENT
Years ago I used to shop for guns using the Shotgun News. That publication (if it still exists) was geared toward FFLs and retailers. I would scour that paper looking for interesting things to buy, sometimes old foreign surplus guns but also other stuff. When I found something I wanted I would take it to a pawn shop I knew, and they would buy it for me +10% and all the taxes and fees. Of course they had an FFL and were a legitimate business, but that's how they made their money. They didn't have a huge stock of weapons on hand that they had to borrow money to buy. Their business model catered to buyers who understood the business and knew what they wanted, and they did well. The customer got exactly what he wanted and at a good price. I believe they are still in business today, though I no longer collect, haven't for a long time. Divorce forced the sale of my collection, so now I just watch all you young folks having fun out on the range via TH-cam. That's my life story, and if you have read this far may God bless you for your patience. I probably wouldn't have done it. 😀
Maggie said they paid for that right. That makes it a privilege.
Exactly what I was thinking!!
You can count on the ATF attending any future gun shows to verify enforcement. Years ago I was a hotel desk clerk/night auditor. I used to check in ATF agents a few days prior to the local gun show. The way I know they were ATF agents was at the time of check in they used an AmEx card with the ATF logo on it. One day I checked in three (3) ATF agents. They will continue to attempt to enforce any new regulations. Be careful everyone!
When has the ATF gone into the hood to find people selling guns without a FFL?
This is the first time I have ever disagreed with one of your videos and even though I think the world of Maggie, in this case you are wrong! If I desire to sell a gun I own and I am going to make any money at all on it, I should not have to get an FFL to do so! I am not trying to make a living on the sale and likely the money I make will go back into another firearm but the government has NO business in my private sale! This sounds like a big gold mine for FFL's who now will be able to charge every private sale a transfer fee and try to claim we are safer.
Dealers will always try to promote restricting my second amendment rights to only be allowed (by the govt.) in deals where they are enriched.
I bought firearms that I didn’t have to pass a background check pre Brady. Gun shows were held a VFW posts for individuals to come and buy/trade their guns, then it was commercialized still to buy/trade amongst others. Not no more! One needs to read this rule and it will give you the hebe gebeeis.
And what about the individual who wants to sell his 1 private gun whos walking around with a sign on his backpack? Sounds like the equivalent of you needing to become a dealer to sell your own car. And sounds like a gun registry
It' hurts flea markets and yard sales. Or a friend at work selling any old gun.
Haven't been to a gun show in twenty years. Just don't have a need for a spa or patio enclosure.
The whole point is to place undue pressure on everyday people and to make sure that they don’t purchase anything that they can’t track. Oh, I forgot, that don’t have a registry of any kind. LOL
I get the feeling is not about keeping guns out of criminals' hands and it is about get taxes on private sales.
Never been to a gun show where prices arent sky high compared to gun shops or online. Last gun show we went to we had our pocket knives sharpened, and we bought a buffalo skull, a patch, and 2 slingshots.....
I have owned and carried guns for fifty years. I’m a native Texan and was licensed as a non resident in Massachusetts to carry a high capacity automatic.
Gun shows have indeed changed. I went with a friend for several years to shows here in north Texas.
The last two times I was trying to sell guns I inherited and the guys at the tables were offering low prices in my opinion. At a couple of the tables they told me to look for two specific Hispanic men and three specific black men. On group was buying guns to sell to street gangs and the others were buying for cartels in Mexico.
I asked how they knew that and they told me they saw them at all the gun shows they had been to for the last few months.
I sold them to the dealers for the low price. If you can’t pass an FFL background you don’t deserve to possess a firearm, Second Amendment be damned. Crime has exploded across certain segments of America and Mexico driven by this illegal sales.
Support you local gun store and be proud of your legal right and solid background as a citizen of the USA!
In Arkansas, I walk in , choose the firearm, put my concealed carry permit down with payment, and walk out after 3-5 minutes of paperwork. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. I'm glad they are breaking down on people NOT CHECKING FOR FELONS! I am sorry if you made a mistake in the past and have a record. I made financial mistakes and pay for it every day with my credit score. Be legal, be safe, and be carrying responsibly.😊
Yep I want my 16 bucks back gun shows used to be fun now they're crowded with too many people and vendors not selling what the public wants big waste nowadays:(
It wasn't that long ago when we could order a gun from Sears and have it sent to our door. We need less government in our lives, not more. The problem with incrementalism is that the effects are cumulative.
If a gun was purchased in the 1960 and you're selling it to just get it gone due to age to your friend, I have no idea how they could prove you just sold it.
Times acoming Maggie when they're gonna shut down your store too.
I'm 53 and have only been to one gun show in my life, a little over a year ago. I left with a little Nebo 2K flashlight and a silly looking 15-round single-stack mag stick for my Hi-Point C9. To say that I was unimpressed is an understatement, and this was in central Arkansas, where you'd think the best of the best is abundant.
Bad episode!
Also this law says "for profit" so I don't see why private collections couldn't be sold if there only getting what money they have in it already!
You two are awesome Patriots, very knowledgeable, I'm a Patriot and Christian man, thanks Soo much for your info
Sounds like back door gun registration to me
Registration followed by confiscation! You can bet your boots that all of the background check paperwork that has been compiled, over the years, is safely stored, ready to be used against us
In my state, if you have your concealed carry permit you usually don't have to get a background check. You're up to date permit already says you've had a background check. There are a few dealers who still do it but generally I fill out the paperwork, pay for it, and walk out the door.
At 76 with cancer I had to move into a senior living facility. They do not allow firearms so I gave all my guns to my son. That is like 15 handguns and 9 long guns. A few were handed down to me years ago. I never checked into any current laws, if any, for handing down firearms to your grown children. Not even sure where to have checked. He has two small children so my gun vault was included and he had bought the expensive cases to carry some on the plane when he went home. Probably not legal but some guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition got shipped in a POD across many states.
Funny no guns allowed but I still have my recurve bow which can be as deadly as a lot of the guns I could not keep.
If I've ever sold or traded a firearm privately, I've lost some or barely broke even. For me to get a license to lose money doesn't make sense.
Oh, but I can take something to a pawn shop or gun store and lose money there, and that's ok!
Is the irs going to consider that income? To be taxed at the end of the year?
The shops don't like the competition of private transactions.
If you bought a new pistol and bring it back 3 months later, you'll get a fraction of what you paid. Now the shop sells a like new model for slightly less than a new one but makes much more profit.
None of my local shops approve of private transactions. What if it's stolen? What if what you sell is used in a crime sometime later?
Is it time for hammers to be serialized just in case.....🤷🤦
It would seem that both of you have forgotten about our God given 2nd amendment rights? I worked for a licensed dealer in Missouri for 18 years and he was against selling consignment guns as it was a form of competition and took up his display cases. I have watched your channel for years now and until today, your videos have been good. After watching this video it seems that you two have sided with this administration unlawful "rules". Sadly, many dealers would believe that this most recent ATF ruling will "satisfy" the anti gunners, and they will now be safe from further attacks? Believe me, this is only the beginning and I can foresee these idiots becoming more emboldened and coming for the licensed dealers next.
You are way off on most of your points. The government REQUIRES ZONING APROVAL to issue an FFL, there will not be very many new FFL holders due to this requirement. This is an attempt to limit transactions to a very limited number of locations. Many areas the average person will not get zoning approval, so sales in those areas.
So, why can’t a private individual set up at a gun show and when they sell a firearm, transfer it through an FFL dealer?
To buy a firearm in Canada one is required to have a “Possession & Acquisition Licence”, a federally administered programme that proves the purchaser has already gone through the criminal background check, references, firearm safety course and is aware of the safe storage & transport laws. It is renewed every five years just like you would a drivers licence. Cuts out the waiting time & paperwork for each private or retail firearm or ammo purchase. Probably wouldn’t work in the U.S though where each state has different firearm laws.
I thought Trudaeu took all the guns away
The government did spend $42 million trying to figure out a way to collect newly prohibited models in some kind of buyback scheme” but not a single one has been forfeited by a licenced owner. There are over 2.2 million licenced firearms owners in Canada and things are looking pretty bleak for the Liberals come the next election. Trudeau will be voted out in a landslide if current polls are to be believed.
I remember when the NICS check system was put in place in the late 1990's. And what people predicted then is happening now. NICS was a "gateway drug" to total and complete control of ALL firearms sales.
Read the rule very, very carefully. Because now, if anyone wants to sell a gun or two from their collection, they must sell to a dealer at wholesale price, never recouping anything near what they paid for it. And if the seller does a private sale and keeps any kind of record of what they paid for it, and then provides that record as proof that they did NOT make a profit, then they can also be charged with "dealing without a license" because they kept a record! It's a "no win" scenario, since one proves one's guilt by attempting to prove one's innocence! It's evil trickery!
The entire idea is to stop ALL private transfers so everything goes thru a dealer, so that there's a record of everything that the gov't can add every gun to the registry.
This is the comment i was looking for.
At the 14 minute I realized I need to unsubscribe. Can’t stand boot lickers
Yeah i agree that woman is brain washed by the government. I'm out of here.
I am also unsubsribing and will never watch another video by them.
Absolutely agree get this channel off my feed.
I unsubscribed as well!
I realize I'm spoiled because my mom is a legal immigrant. She always reminded me to not take things for granted. USA! where poor is living like a king compared to the rest of the world.
The problem is not really requiring an FFL at shows. It's that any time you sell to a store front dealer it's 0.6 times it's true value (at best) - a big loss to the seller.
I have a misdemeanor fighting on my record so I'm going to find out if i can pass a background soon
Depends what kind of misdemeanor
As long as its not a domestic violence charge you should be fine
Typical gun store owner/worker, they have the attitude that they are doing me a favor by selling me a gun.
These two individuals sounds like libs.
If your relative passes, bring it to an FFL and PAY them to sell your guns. Hmm, they want a cut of your money.
It's called building their registry.
Buying a gun at a gun show in Maryland is the same as buying one in a store. The rules and qualifications are the same.
I don't know what state you're in but I've been to several gun shows here in Florida and I have never seen one table set up where you could buy a gun without a background check.
Here in Phoenix. It's a mix match. FFL dealers have to do background checks. Regular folk (non dealers) don't.
A 100% un-enforceable rule that will be selectively enforced.
I put an ad in the classified section in the newspaper with a phone number when I want to sell a gun and always will. I’m not sharing the sale price with anyone.
I’ve never been to a gun show where someone had a table but didn’t have a FFL, and I’ve been to a lot of guns shows. Now Now I’ve seen people walk around with a gun they want to sell privately.
A honest conversation about private gun sells. Not the stupid so called Gun Show Loophole. If you are forced to sell your guns through a third party, you will not get the full retail value for your guns,
Gun shows are huge in southeast Louisiana and you are not making a purchase without a backround check. The only exception here would be a person who walks through the show with a weapon (made safe) and people ask how much. That aside all sales are run through the FEDS.
No American should have to pay the government for a “Right”!🤨🤨🤨
The longest I had to wait was about 30 minutes or so, from a Sporting Goods chain store. Normally it's 10 minutes or even less from our local gun stores.
Selling a Firearm "privately" puts the Responsibility and Liability on YOU if there is NO NICS check. If you DO NOT know the buyer, you are taking a BIG risk.
In my state, if you have a CCL, they do not perform a NICS background check when you buy a handgun. (no waiting period, etc)
Gun shows have changed a lot since the advent of the internet. The more unusual, rare and desirable guns go to internet websites and online auctions where they are likely to bring a higher price due to more exposure to more potential buyers. Old, unusual and interesting gun-related non-gun items end up on E-bay (or wherever) where they will also bring higher prices.
Quite often the police working security and checking firearms at the entrance try to buy my everyday carry firearms before I even get in. Generally I carry revolvers and many are older than me.
98 percent of gun shows are FFL Dealers. Years ago I bought a Baker Double barrel 16 gauge shotgun privately,and the gun hadn't been produced since 1933. I told the guy,"Well I'm 100 percent legal anyway."
We have paid for that right...
Yes sir we have.
No we have not. Rights are gifts from GOD. We can't buy them. We HAVE paid for the Freedom to exercise those rights. Rights and Freedom are NOT two names for the same thing.
Sorry was dragging on n on but problem I see is like local problem. "People" illegally selling tamales and other food out of the back of their minivans while local restaurant owners have permits, pay taxes, fees and are inspected. Have no problem with personal or family transfers but messing over legal business peoples is wrong.
It's surprising how much got changed in just 3 days.
It's about time the rich and powerful are joining forces to disarm the little people.
Perhaps gun shows could be held in the middle of the Rio Grande river!!
Now there's a Idea !
Two Words....."Property RIGHTS!!!!
i’m 75 years old I’ve been honey since I was seven. Every weapon I own was bought legally for the background check. Make sure I was a nut. Every gun owner just passed a background check before purchasing any Weapon
It's really disappointing how accommodating they seem to be with more infringement on our 2A rights.
Wow, I've never had to wait that long to purchase a firearm, other than the first time I purchased a pistol and I had to wait the waiting period(I've since gotten a CCW to avoid the waiting periods). I think the longest I've ever had to wait was 30-45 minutes and the person at the counter told me up front there was a computer problem on the other end and all background checks had to be done over the phone.
In a nutshell if you sell 1 gun out of your personal collection, under the new rule you have committed a felony! It's completely up to atfs discretion, according to the wording.
What i have read is they can jailnyou for selling 1 gun. The verabage of the new "rule" is so vague that it included any gun sale..
True of false: once you buy your firearm legally in USA, you can never sell it without AFT declaring you are a dealer? Even if you go to gun shop for the transfer?
mine is 4 business days. My guy works with me. I do come back for it. so far it has always been a wait.
I’ve bought a gun at a gun show and I had to do a 4473 just like a regular gun store.
Most tables at gun shows I see now are FFL dealers.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Explosives are not mentioned as inalienable rights in the Constitution.
Why would anyone go to a gun show? It is mostly junk at inflated prices. I have been to two in my small town and I was out the door in 20 minutes. Same broken down creepy people selling junk. I know there are higher end shows else where and auctions, but not in my po dunk town.
WHat if I sell my 20+year military surplus collection, through an auction house and people go bananas over my guns, netting me far, far more than I paid 20+ years ago. Will I have to get an FFL just to sell my guns through an auction or on consignment?
What about the casual "accumulator" that wants to upgrade 3-6 firearms a year? Or quit collecting Lugers and move to Pre-64 Winchesters? Will my local firearms dealer be willing to charge me a minimal amount ($20 or so?) if I want to sell or buy or trade with an acquaintance? Maybe a member of my local gun club? Or a person I've been corresponding with on a forum? What about transferring it to a relative? Will my children have to fork over $50/item if I pass away with 50+ regulated items. I see this has the potential to significantly reduce the value of lifetime "accumulations" and I fear a very HUGE windfall used gun dealers.
It opens up the 100% possibility of a Federal gun register and there will be individuals going around charging for background checks. I won't pay it. You want to sell me a firearm then you do the check for no charge.
I've been to theee gun shows in my life and my experience at these shows was mostly the firearms being sold by private people were way over priced or looked like they were drug down a dirt road. I always buy my firearms from my local FFL.
I don't like the rule. pass it through congress as a law like it should be done. I disagree with the rule because of the way it was implemented not the rule itself. As a buyer I would never buy from a private seller anyways because that gun could have been used in a crime. I don't want to take that chance. Sellers take the chance of selling to a prohibited person, who might commit crime, because they use the honesty method most of the time and not everyone is honest. I see why they push for this but it needs to pass in congress not by executive order IMHO.
If it's not your business then it won t be a problem or change!!