I really liked Whiterose's entire plot. You get enthralled by the possibility that his plan may be real, but a couple of times, you're curtly reminded that he's heavily indulging in a delusion. This is very similar to Elliot, except where Elliot eventually meets the adversity of the circumstances and eventually therapeutically comes out on top, Whiterose ultimately becomes a prisoner of delusion and feigned control, before it kills him.
Media literacy is dead. And common sense. The series is rather simple. So simple. It even spells the plot to you. Exposition is clear-cut. It seems complicated. Its dense. But at the end of the day Sam Esmail spells it out for us many times. Yet countless people in the comments who claim to have watched the show completely failed to grasp it. Even when its spelled out to you. Fun fact. There is a term in coding called the Alderson Loop. Which is a program coded to repeat itself infinitely. We all know the inspiration for the series was that Sam Esmail was in the hacking scene in college. And why he takes all the hacking in the show seriously. Because he wanted to see it represented correctly. And he would have known this phrase. And makes sense why Elliots last name is Alderson. Its just one small hint from the beginning about the "real" Elliot. It truly is one of the best examples of a tv sweies where the creator knew the ending from the start. Which we know he did because it was written as a film first and he pitched the show to USA telling them the ending. And there is a podcast with Sam Esmail answering every single question one could ask from the series. Where he again spells everything out.
about Tyrell and the blue light, there's a cool theory. What he saw was the "Blue Screen of Death", the infamous blue message which appeared in Windows when there was a critical failure. No evidence to support the theory, but it still sounds cool
My theory is that whiterose was actually building quantum supercomputer. This would allow her and the Deus Group to really control the world. All about alternate realities was to manipulate Angela. When Deus Group was hacked, she just blew it up and killed herself, perhaps so that the research dies with her.
The only thing that left me a bit confused was, so he actually did all that stuff but as an alternative personality and the "real" Elliot we saw still was just what he wished his life was?
the mastermind personality took over the base Elliot in the real world and carried out the plot of the show. at the end we see that the base Elliot has been living in the perfect fantasy. eventually the mastermind personality relents and gives the base Elliot control over his life again. it's a misconception that the plot was just a fantasy. It was the fake perfect world that was a fantasy. base Elliot which we never see during the show until the end returns to the forefront. Hope that helps!
also the mastermind personality being the main character in the show explains a lot. like how he forgot who his sister is and all the incorrect memories. it's not base Elliot we are watching. it's a rage filled incomplete version of him with a one track mind to destroy the powers that be.
Okay so the “real” Elliot has been in a coma this whole show? Or did everything happen in the show and the “real” Elliot was unconscious of it all until the very end when he “wakes up”
Some are mind games some are not. I think most of the things happen in the show. I just don't think the events are meant to be taken seriously the show to me seems more like a journey into the real elliots mind. Something like that
alright, so i got this recommended randomly and was like, huh what happened to mr robot? so i watched the video. and all i can say is what the fuck is that dumpsterfire of a show LMAO love the video and the quick summary and everything else though. great work.
I don't think so. I think that we were given a huge clue as to the real Elliot in season two. Tldr: Elliot is Tyrrell. When Elliot is in prison Tyrrell disappears. There is also at least one time where Elliot is confused with Tyrrell. This is explained by Tyrrell having to disappear because he is a wanted man. He was blamed for the attacks. That coincidentally was why Elliot was in prison. Sa to when Tyrrell died it was at the point where the identity was no longer useful. White Rose has just announced that they would make Tyrrell the new leader of the dais group. A situation where he could no longer act from the shadows. One final thing here I strongly disagree that we should take everything at face value, when the entire show is telling us that it is lying to us. That more than almost any other point is the driving force behind the final season. But BBBp is correct in if you focus on questioning everything you get nowhere. I have a theory that white Rose is another facet of Elliots psyche but there are a metric ton of small changes that are needed to make that fit, and I have a wall of text here. So I won't get into that.
@@dustinalexander9680 Thanks a lot for your complete explanation, but if Tyrell was the real Elliot, wouldn't it be only one picture on the wall of the police? As I recall the scene when Darlene was shown the map of wanted people, there were both Elliot and Tyrell's pictures, and also we could see them both in the conference room of Allsafe. The reason I still doubt Tyrell is the real Elliot is that he was the only one who could talk to Elliot and Mr.Robot. Anyway, I agree with you the entire show was telling a lie and your theory about White Rose might be true as well. Tnx ❤️
The real Elliot is Tyrell and what we thought was Elliott is the persona "The Mastermind". They are many clues along the seasons that Tyrell is the real Elliot.
@@raymondsims7042 It is a bit complicated to explain that in a small comment without the video support on top of that, but they are several videos around that support that hypothesis. Anyway, one thing is sure, it is much more complicated than it appears. The Mastermind has the face of Rami Malek, but it is just a persona. It isn't the real guy. The real face of the protagonist, we don't know really what it is. (as teased in the final scene).
@@nietzschescodes yeah and I thought it was a brilliant twist to make the elliot we’ve been watching to just be another personality. However I don’t think tyrell was the real personality. I didn’t know that was a theory many people had, but a lot of evidence in the show goes against that. There’s a lot of scenes where tyrell is by himself and Elliot isn’t even in sight, and they address him as tyrell wellick. When he was on the run the cops said they were looking for tyrell wellick. I think tyrell wellick is his own person, but that’s an interesting theory though
It’s very obvious that Tyrell is another personality. But I doubt Tyrell is the host. It becomes obvious that Elliot and Tyrell share one body, the first time Elliot meets Tyrell’s wife.
I watched a few episodes of this when it premiered but quickly realized it was just another show hiding bad writing behind a 'mystery' that the writers didn't even know or understand themselves. The she/him bad guy/gal/they/them was cringe and the 'multiple personalities' was lazy. *Thank god I didn't waste 4 years of my life on this nonsense* Cool video thou! Well made and edited and well explained, good work. Subscribed!
It got better the more you watch. I almost gave up on it at one point too, i thought it was just Great-Valu Fight Club but about hacking...but it actually is quite good and far more than that.
" Writers didn't understand." hmm its not like Sam Esmail told the actors their fates and what would happen to them. You have no right to trash on this show when you have barely watched it.
So I’m gonna say this coming from a different perspective, I work with psychic energy, remote, viewing, astral, travel, astral projection, and I travel to different dimensions in my sleep often times I’m being sent to places a lot like the places Elliott was seeing so I believe the show had a lot to do with us as humanity. We create other realities and we manifest other realities just by our thoughts and what we want what we visualize and almost like we develop multiple personalities and we’re all different in different places and the only thing at the end was that Elliott was doing it and not not so good way he was controlling other people, so Mr. robot was controlling those other people that was the only thing but in general in real life a lot of us do this we do travel to different dimensions. We do visit different time spaces galaxies planets, so there’s nothing out about the show. The reason why I watched it and I’m not even into hacking and all that but after the show I was like really obsessed with hacking I wish I was a hacker. Honestly, I love hackers I’m obsessed with them so I feel like they do have a lot of power and control so I feel like this was just showing like anybody who works with the Internet can control other people easily you can you can destroy ruin peoples lives you can make it better and is also showing the multiple dimensions that we’re in and how we can live out different realities all at the same time, when he said he said at the end that it was all dark and it was void that’s why a lot of us humans keep reincarnating onto earth because in the end there’s only the void and nobody wants to go there. We want to stay here we wanna be alive we wanna experience being on earth.
If the only had simplified the series just a bit, and not twisted the episodes 5 times a minute, I would actually enjoyed it to the fullest. it's beautifully annoying this series. I still wanna watch it again. And again be swearing.
I get it if you like simple stories more. But the confusing way the story is told is supposed to represent elliot's mind. He's as puzzled as we are, and we're part of him. So, it makes sense. As the story goes on, it gets clearer. The twists are there so you can watch the series again and have totally different experiences. Also, the twists aren't just there to be there but; they connect to the themes. So, it's more about personal taste than a problem with the show.
@@TenjysanNah they were pulling plot devices and retcons out of their ass, and every time they did that they made it seem like Elliot had a grand realization
@@Tenjysan You’re saying that like you and I didn’t watch the same show. I can go down a long list of convenient asspulls for the plot, but the main one is Elliot not being the original and the whole thing with the inner world just so they can find a good way to end the show without explaining anything. Don’t even get me started on Elliot’s ungodly plot armor
@@prod.superior5434 I have even watched the show multiple times, and the only thing I would see as an ass pull was the twist with Leon in the season 3 finale, but even that isn't so bad because of the gag character. And your issue that you're addressing here has been foreshadowed multiple times since episode 1. The amount of foreshadowing is incredible, so I don't understand the accusation that it's an ass pull when it was planned from the beginning. Plus, it fits thematically very well. We have Elliot and Whiterose, two sides of the same coin. While Whiterose actively tries to confront her trauma but in the wrong way and ends up breaking more and ultimately taking her own life, we have Elliot who wants to forget all his trauma but realizes that's not the right path and is on the way to acceptance. Whiterose tries to believe that there's another world, while Elliot has created his own dream world. The show is about how to deal with trauma, so this twist is absolutely not an ass pull but a thematically clever move. There's a reason why this series has been so highly rated.
For Tyrell the noises he heard and the blue light he saw are both Scandinavian folklore tales of what happens when death is coming
Best show I've ever watched. Nothing else comes close.
I always took the blue light that Tyrell seen was a “Blue Screen of Death”
That’s a great way of looking at it!
It's a old nord thing of seeing a blue light in the forest before you die. Same with the noise is from the same culture
I really liked Whiterose's entire plot. You get enthralled by the possibility that his plan may be real, but a couple of times, you're curtly reminded that he's heavily indulging in a delusion. This is very similar to Elliot, except where Elliot eventually meets the adversity of the circumstances and eventually therapeutically comes out on top, Whiterose ultimately becomes a prisoner of delusion and feigned control, before it kills him.
Media literacy is dead. And common sense.
The series is rather simple. So simple. It even spells the plot to you. Exposition is clear-cut. It seems complicated. Its dense. But at the end of the day Sam Esmail spells it out for us many times.
Yet countless people in the comments who claim to have watched the show completely failed to grasp it. Even when its spelled out to you.
Fun fact. There is a term in coding called the Alderson Loop. Which is a program coded to repeat itself infinitely. We all know the inspiration for the series was that Sam Esmail was in the hacking scene in college. And why he takes all the hacking in the show seriously. Because he wanted to see it represented correctly. And he would have known this phrase. And makes sense why Elliots last name is Alderson. Its just one small hint from the beginning about the "real" Elliot.
It truly is one of the best examples of a tv sweies where the creator knew the ending from the start. Which we know he did because it was written as a film first and he pitched the show to USA telling them the ending.
And there is a podcast with Sam Esmail answering every single question one could ask from the series. Where he again spells everything out.
exactly. people are confusing the word "complex" with "deep"
you sound like a pretentious dumbass
about Tyrell and the blue light, there's a cool theory. What he saw was the "Blue Screen of Death", the infamous blue message which appeared in Windows when there was a critical failure. No evidence to support the theory, but it still sounds cool
My theory is that whiterose was actually building quantum supercomputer. This would allow her and the Deus Group to really control the world. All about alternate realities was to manipulate Angela. When Deus Group was hacked, she just blew it up and killed herself, perhaps so that the research dies with her.
Were we inside the masterminds perspective the whole time?
Yes, apart from flashbacks and the final shot of the show (and scenes from the POV of other characters).
The only thing that left me a bit confused was, so he actually did all that stuff but as an alternative personality and the "real" Elliot we saw still was just what he wished his life was?
the mastermind personality took over the base Elliot in the real world and carried out the plot of the show. at the end we see that the base Elliot has been living in the perfect fantasy. eventually the mastermind personality relents and gives the base Elliot control over his life again. it's a misconception that the plot was just a fantasy. It was the fake perfect world that was a fantasy. base Elliot which we never see during the show until the end returns to the forefront. Hope that helps!
also the mastermind personality being the main character in the show explains a lot. like how he forgot who his sister is and all the incorrect memories. it's not base Elliot we are watching. it's a rage filled incomplete version of him with a one track mind to destroy the powers that be.
Great explanation!
This show is so brilliant
13:34 Man
Masterpiece
Mr Robot is one of only a few good series in the last 10 years. Mystery box series even when done right are limited.
Mr robot, breaking bad, and better call saul
The holy Trinity
Very David Lynch-y.
Okay so the “real” Elliot has been in a coma this whole show? Or did everything happen in the show and the “real” Elliot was unconscious of it all until the very end when he “wakes up”
everything Elliot does he does for real, the "real" Elliot is just locked in his head
Not that complicated. Everything we saw happened. Just, the "real" Elliot was hijacked by another alter.
Good summary but we really shouldn't use JJ Abrams' mystery box as a skeleton for good media. He has more misses than hits.
AGREE.
The real Elliot is a child who has thrown his dad out of window :D and the show is just mind playing game with him
Did you even watch the show lol
Some are mind games some are not. I think most of the things happen in the show. I just don't think the events are meant to be taken seriously the show to me seems more like a journey into the real elliots mind. Something like that
alright, so i got this recommended randomly and was like, huh what happened to mr robot? so i watched the video. and all i can say is what the fuck is that dumpsterfire of a show LMAO love the video and the quick summary and everything else though. great work.
haha ignorance is bliss isnt it? ;)
This " Dumpster fire of a show" of a show is called Mr. Robot.
If its dumpster fire of a show, that must mean everyone should hate it right? Just because you cant understand it dosent mean you should trash on it.
So we'll never know who the real elliot is? :(
I don't think so. I think that we were given a huge clue as to the real Elliot in season two.
Tldr: Elliot is Tyrrell.
When Elliot is in prison Tyrrell disappears. There is also at least one time where Elliot is confused with Tyrrell. This is explained by Tyrrell having to disappear because he is a wanted man. He was blamed for the attacks. That coincidentally was why Elliot was in prison.
Sa to when Tyrrell died it was at the point where the identity was no longer useful. White Rose has just announced that they would make Tyrrell the new leader of the dais group. A situation where he could no longer act from the shadows.
One final thing here I strongly disagree that we should take everything at face value, when the entire show is telling us that it is lying to us. That more than almost any other point is the driving force behind the final season.
But BBBp is correct in if you focus on questioning everything you get nowhere. I have a theory that white Rose is another facet of Elliots psyche but there are a metric ton of small changes that are needed to make that fit, and I have a wall of text here. So I won't get into that.
@@dustinalexander9680 Thanks a lot for your complete explanation, but if Tyrell was the real Elliot, wouldn't it be only one picture on the wall of the police? As I recall the scene when Darlene was shown the map of wanted people, there were both Elliot and Tyrell's pictures, and also we could see them both in the conference room of Allsafe. The reason I still doubt Tyrell is the real Elliot is that he was the only one who could talk to Elliot and Mr.Robot. Anyway, I agree with you the entire show was telling a lie and your theory about White Rose might be true as well.
Tnx ❤️
The original host is Ollie. Remember when wellicks wife called elliott "ollie" from the car window in season 3.
@@popsmoke68w4Elliot told Joanna his name was Ollie when he was snooping around her apartment outside
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Eliots the mastermind
The multiverse. Infinite universes. No paradox.
Not at all
The real Elliot is Tyrell and what we thought was Elliott is the persona "The Mastermind". They are many clues along the seasons that Tyrell is the real Elliot.
Mate please explain this theory in more depth!!! You think tyrell is elliot? Why do you think so?
@@raymondsims7042 It is a bit complicated to explain that in a small comment without the video support on top of that, but they are several videos around that support that hypothesis.
Anyway, one thing is sure, it is much more complicated than it appears. The Mastermind has the face of Rami Malek, but it is just a persona. It isn't the real guy. The real face of the protagonist, we don't know really what it is. (as teased in the final scene).
@@nietzschescodes yeah and I thought it was a brilliant twist to make the elliot we’ve been watching to just be another personality. However I don’t think tyrell was the real personality. I didn’t know that was a theory many people had, but a lot of evidence in the show goes against that. There’s a lot of scenes where tyrell is by himself and Elliot isn’t even in sight, and they address him as tyrell wellick. When he was on the run the cops said they were looking for tyrell wellick. I think tyrell wellick is his own person, but that’s an interesting theory though
It’s very obvious that Tyrell is another personality. But I doubt Tyrell is the host. It becomes obvious that Elliot and Tyrell share one body, the first time Elliot meets Tyrell’s wife.
Elliot and Tyrell share one body? what are you talking about?@@unistudent4002
I watched a few episodes of this when it premiered but quickly realized it was just another show hiding bad writing behind a 'mystery' that the writers didn't even know or understand themselves. The she/him bad guy/gal/they/them was cringe and the 'multiple personalities' was lazy.
*Thank god I didn't waste 4 years of my life on this nonsense*
Cool video thou! Well made and edited and well explained, good work. Subscribed!
haha ignorance is bliss isnt it? ;)
It got better the more you watch. I almost gave up on it at one point too, i thought it was just Great-Valu Fight Club but about hacking...but it actually is quite good and far more than that.
If it's nonsense then why did you watch the fucking video, you clearly don't care about this show.
And you said yourself that you only watched a few who are you to judge a show based on a few episodes?
" Writers didn't understand." hmm its not like Sam Esmail told the actors their fates and what would happen to them. You have no right to trash on this show when you have barely watched it.
So I’m gonna say this coming from a different perspective, I work with psychic energy, remote, viewing, astral, travel, astral projection, and I travel to different dimensions in my sleep often times I’m being sent to places a lot like the places Elliott was seeing so I believe the show had a lot to do with us as humanity. We create other realities and we manifest other realities just by our thoughts and what we want what we visualize and almost like we develop multiple personalities and we’re all different in different places and the only thing at the end was that Elliott was doing it and not not so good way he was controlling other people, so Mr. robot was controlling those other people that was the only thing but in general in real life a lot of us do this we do travel to different dimensions. We do visit different time spaces galaxies planets, so there’s nothing out about the show. The reason why I watched it and I’m not even into hacking and all that but after the show I was like really obsessed with hacking I wish I was a hacker. Honestly, I love hackers I’m obsessed with them so I feel like they do have a lot of power and control so I feel like this was just showing like anybody who works with the Internet can control other people easily you can you can destroy ruin peoples lives you can make it better and is also showing the multiple dimensions that we’re in and how we can live out different realities all at the same time, when he said he said at the end that it was all dark and it was void that’s why a lot of us humans keep reincarnating onto earth because in the end there’s only the void and nobody wants to go there. We want to stay here we wanna be alive we wanna experience being on earth.
If the only had simplified the series just a bit, and not twisted the episodes 5 times a minute, I would actually enjoyed it to the fullest. it's beautifully annoying this series. I still wanna watch it again. And again be swearing.
I get it if you like simple stories more. But the confusing way the story is told is supposed to represent elliot's mind. He's as puzzled as we are, and we're part of him. So, it makes sense. As the story goes on, it gets clearer. The twists are there so you can watch the series again and have totally different experiences. Also, the twists aren't just there to be there but; they connect to the themes. So, it's more about personal taste than a problem with the show.
@@TenjysanNah they were pulling plot devices and retcons out of their ass, and every time they did that they made it seem like Elliot had a grand realization
@@prod.superior5434 Alright, do you have a specific example for that, or are you just making that claim based on intuition
@@Tenjysan You’re saying that like you and I didn’t watch the same show. I can go down a long list of convenient asspulls for the plot, but the main one is Elliot not being the original and the whole thing with the inner world just so they can find a good way to end the show without explaining anything.
Don’t even get me started on Elliot’s ungodly plot armor
@@prod.superior5434 I have even watched the show multiple times, and the only thing I would see as an ass pull was the twist with Leon in the season 3 finale, but even that isn't so bad because of the gag character.
And your issue that you're addressing here has been foreshadowed multiple times since episode 1. The amount of foreshadowing is incredible, so I don't understand the accusation that it's an ass pull when it was planned from the beginning.
Plus, it fits thematically very well.
We have Elliot and Whiterose, two sides of the same coin. While Whiterose actively tries to confront her trauma but in the wrong way and ends up breaking more and ultimately taking her own life, we have Elliot who wants to forget all his trauma but realizes that's not the right path and is on the way to acceptance. Whiterose tries to believe that there's another world, while Elliot has created his own dream world.
The show is about how to deal with trauma, so this twist is absolutely not an ass pull but a thematically clever move. There's a reason why this series has been so highly rated.