@@Nphen Nevermind Dyson, Faraday Future and most of the unprofitable Chinese OEM's that need to be merged into larger and more profitable entities in the near term...
Personally, I would prefer to see Aptera be independent on its own. Once the production intent vehicles are independently certified to do as Aptera's computer modeling believes, then the money should be flowing to them. The capital needs at this point are within reach. Once the first 1500 or so, are actually on the road and accepting the idea of what it is, (despite the 3 wheels) then it's a done deal. Giving up at this point is most likely not in the dna of Steve Fambro or Chris Anthony. I think they want to see this through, come hell or high water. Simply don't see them giving up, and selling out.
@@RajGiandeepI don't see this as prideful but as a mission, a quest if you must. Steve Fambro is very locked in and unless he and Chris Anthony decide enough is enough, they will stay the course. I just feel that they have worked too hard to throw in the towel and walk away
@@christopherbarrett9749 They have put in amazing work & deserve it see it come to life & hit production. Still so disappointing the funding hasn't come in. Perhaps CES will be a trigger for the funds to come in.
I mostly agree and think this crowd funding & independence (unfortunately) is part of the reason Aptera is having trouble finding large investors. We as customers (and decent human beings) know that right-to-repair, long-lived solar panels and generic infotainment & ADAS are the way to go. But that's not how "Owners of Global Finance Capital" (to quote Shahid Bolsen from Middle Nation) sees the world. OGFC sees proprietary tech & cheap parts as "profit centers" for long-term wealth extraction. I mean, uh, "shareholder value."
@@Nphen Capital brings its own expertise to an enterprise, often obtained at an awful cost. Sandy Munro has forgotten how many big 3 executives failed in his time. Auto making has evolved, sure, but casting perjoritives on dead ends serves no purpose.
I would hate to see Lucid buy Aptera, but if Rawlinson would invest tens of his hundreds of millions into Aptera, via a loan, that would be great! Chris and Steve keep control, Aptera starts making money and goes public and we all win. One can dream...
I mean at that point, we could wish for Elon, or any billionaire to give them good loan terms and retain control. Unfortunately, in a society that says wealth is human value, people with tons of money think it's their God-given right to control as many things as possible. Confirmation bias. Elon went against "experts" many times and was proven right. But his fans become sycophants and no one remembers the mistakes. Or they get fired if they do. Leaving only sycophants or people who just keep their heads down and work.
@@Nphen The 'keep your head down and just work' IS the mindset of all auto makers and I would venture to say, ALL companies. No boss wants to hear of 'rebellion in the ranks'. The squeaky wheel gets replaced, not greased.
They are con men. They won't sell, they will file for bankruptcy and guess what? Investors and reservation holders will be the last in the line of creditors.
APTERA has such an impressive vehicle, I can’t believe someone or some company hasn’t invested the money required to reach production!! They could share in the profits!!! I also believe the Gravity is a great vehicle. Hopefully it will sell well.
It would be great for aptera to source or design an ultra efficient motor/powertrain, similar to what Lucid has done. But getting aptera into production to that greater picture of efficiency. And as always, great content!
It’s great that Lucid put the charge port in the drivers side rear with native NACS on the Gravity. It’d be nice if they did the same for the Air in the near future.
Lucid has a battery patent under their old name atieva, its still active and covers bottom cooling type with cylinderical cells above, basically identical to what aptera is doing. Aptera will be at risk of lititgation if they dont get a licence from lucid to use their patented battery design. You can look up the patent under the name atieva if you dont believe me.
Just here to say Telo should work with both Aptera and Lucid. There are no form factor overlap in any of the 3 companies, and all the potential for crossover tech.
I think that ultimately, Aptera's proposition as a vehicle is already so strong that it just needs to get on the road in order to start the cash flowing. That means that taking a less-than-ideal loan with a high interest rate wouldnt be nearly as bad as it would with most other startups. Maybe Aptera should pursue that route before selling out. Though, licensing their IP to Lucid might not be the worst idea. Lucid definitely stands to benefit from Aptera's efficient manufacturing and powertrain IP, so a deal in that sense wouldnt be so bad.
🤞A perfect fit and a win/win! Both are forward thinking firms that care deeply about the details. Both are winners having a hard time. (Apple could and should also buy Aptera. It is a good fit in the apple look, feel, coolness, innovative philosophy.) Thanks for another great insight into the future, Aptera/Lucid makes a lot of sense.
Lucid doesn't have a sufficiently efficient vehicle that will gain meaningful range from solar panels. So, such a partnership as you suggest won't be substantially beneficial to Aptera.
@adimchionyenadum2962 I was replying to the video. I didn’t do any calculations. Everything is based on what was said in the video. I wouldn’t be fine with Lucid buying Aptera in whole because Lucid doesn’t seem to care about lowering the price as much as possible or making the most efficient vehicle for sustainability. They would crush Aptera’s founders dreams. Ruining it for everyone who likes Aptera and its vision.
The new crowd funding is only for 14 million dollars. Mostly for everyday operations! The convertible notes are still the main source for production. What makes you think that they are a failure?
Wise comment. Plus the narrowing miles/kWh gap between good sedan vs trike. At 13K miles/yr, 8 vs 5 miles/kWh is worth about $10/mo. Who wouldn't choose a good sedan over the trike for $10/mo? Insurance difference might even cover it.
What would be the most impressive and the greatest achievement for Aptera is to DRIVE the Aptera from California to Las Vegas CES show!!! This would be AMAZING!!!
I think a partnership between Lucid and Aptera, both American companies, would be beneficial for both companies and also us EV customers. Two thumbs up! And I’m an investor in Lucid! Also, Toyota Prius model has solar cells on its roof, it works while driving or parked to add some charge.
It’s interesting how some people question the ethics of Saudi money. Having spent half my life in the U.S. and the other half in Saudi Arabia, I find it absurd when Americans criticize the source of wealth in other countries. Unlike many nations, Saudi Arabia earns its wealth through its own natural resources, without exploiting or stealing from others. This is something very few countries can genuinely claim.
I think the criticism is more the Saudis have perpetrated a lot of unethical behavior as a country. High worker exploitation, killing of journalist, the suppression/subjugation of women.
That's funny, because right now Saudies are running out of water and are literally buying up land in Arizona and sucking our wells dry. Complete horse sheet.😂
@@PandaKnight52And is America as a country better? What about their support for the genocide in Gaza? What about their destruction of Iraq based on the lie that it possessed nuclear weapons? What about their war in Vietnam? What about their destruction of Libya? What about their bombing of Syria and stealing its oil, with even Trump himself saying, "We are in Syria for the oil"? America caused the deaths of a million people in Iraq-women, children, and the elderly. The topic of human rights in the West is incredibly laughable and contradictory, as it is used merely for political interests. Believing that America genuinely cares about human rights is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
@@PandaKnight52And is America as a country better? What about their support for the gen*cide in Gaza? What about their destruction of Iraq based on the lie that it possessed nuclear weapons? What about their war in Vietnam? What about their destruction of Libya? What about their bombing of Syria and stealing its oil, with even Trump himself saying, "We are in Syria for the oil"? America caused the dea*hs of a million people in Iraq-women, children, and the elderly. The topic of human rights in the West is incredibly laughable and contradictory, as it is used merely for political interests. Believing that America genuinely cares about human rights is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak. It would be nice to have them partner up because if you are mass producing Apteras and just need to make 6K to break even, that's a hell of a lot of profit for the companies. I'll still just take the Launch Edition. Side note, will you be going out to CES, Drew?
Been saying this! I'm totally on board. The only thing that I was curious about is, even if Lucid made an efficiency-focused motor just for the Aptera, I'm very curious how much Lucid's cost would be on that motor. They lose SO much money on every vehicle, I can't help but feel like the motor itself might cost them $30k. However, with regard to solar, I just don't think Aptera's style fits the bill. Too industrial and not aesthetically pleasing enough. I feel like what Lightyear was offering would be more Lucid's thing. But, who knows, maybe Aptera could make a few tweaks to their tech.
The installation space for the Vitesco EMR3 is just barely available, larger motors can hardly be accommodated. If more space were available, the magnetless EMR4 would be the more suitable, highly efficient choice for the Aptera, as it is only slightly thicker and would require less reworking. However, if money were no object, the IWM motor could again be the first choice because it would also make a decisive difference on the market in terms of driving dynamics.
I just hope that Aptera finally would stop talking about "solar powered vehicle" but just do it and only advertise exteme efficiency. The big PROBLEM advertising with the term "solar powered vehicle" is that as soon as big potential investors hear it, the only thing that pops up in their mind is that solar powered cars woud be impossible to achieve, which is what they've been told always. It really has become such a strong belief that only few tra to re-tink and dod tha math again (or at all). Even most engineers are in that camp. So all those potenial investors will be nice and say "interesting" and that's it. End of story.
If Lucid did a buyout, do you think that Chris and Steve should each get $150million for the 15 million shares they own (assuming the current share price)? I'm not sure they've guided the company in a way that justifies that stake.
It does NOT make sense to put solar panels on anything Lucid is making or working on. It make sense on Aptera because the Aptera is so light and energy efficient. Lucid models weight 2.5 to 3.5 times what an aptera weighs.
The simple fact is that Aptera is not ready to sell to anyone who would demand control. And believe me, all of them (including the deep pockets) want control.
Interesting you mention solar cars by Lucid because I sent a message to the concact link basically offering a solar solution and their answer was “would you like to schedule a test drive?”
A Toyota small/midsized EV truck would sell. The market is already saturated with EV SUVs. We know Ford Mavericks can't sit on dealer lot for more than a day, which means there's a burning market for small pickups. I want one, my girl and her mom wants one. Every demographic wants a small practical truck. If Toyota slap their legendary Tacoma suspension and diehard guts on a powerful, highly efficient Lucid motor, that's a winning combo. A dual motor Air motor powered truck could easily make North of 500 horses. Those would do Model Y numbers.
@bobhellman8676 Dope is dope. More women drive Ford Broncos. You'd think after linking to toxic male culture via the Juice man, you'd think they'd stay clear of it. Yet here we are.
Yeh yeah imagining 2/3 Europe have quite some winters and dreaming about this car. Yes, maybe Aptera would sell some but... it is not for high volume market. I do not see nothing special in that Aptera. Just my opinion. If 3 wheel is good idea, try not use ideal road. Crash safety? Personally would not own one even if it cost new 15k.
Aptera staff is from S. California. I don't think they have much clew of your reality. Similar to northern half of USA. When Aptera went to San Fran for an event, some employees said they had never been that far north!
I don't think it's a good idea for Lucid or any company to buy out Aptera. They would lose control of the company. That didn't go well last time. I could see Lucid using Aptera's solar tech though.
I'd rather Aptera lose control and make it to market than maintain control and never made it to market. Lucid I believe would have no reason to twist the Aptera into something it isn't. They already have sedans and SUVs, acquiring Aptera would simply solidify their monopoly on the most efficient vehicles in the world
@@TailosiveEV At that point, they could just go and give half the company to VC for funding. None of us enjoy the thought of that prospect because Aptera is *so close* to the goal line while still being independent. Some of us may enjoy the engineering and efficiency that Rawlinson champions, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't take Aptera to the Saudis; a brutal & repressive monarchy looking to greenwash their image. I'd just as soon see Telo merge with Aptera, but I presume they don't have working capital either. As I've mentioned in other comments, global finance capital is not our friend.
@@Nphen A brutal and repressive monarchy? oh, the Saudis, I thought you meant J. Biden. But the Saudis are Muzziees, and that is part and parcel of their 'religion'.
I was thinking along these lines but with Tesla's tech, given Aptera's affinity for the Tesla-developed NACS connector. Both Tesla and Lucid might have benefitted from an earlier collaboration by sharing more parts with Aptera, sparing Aptera some development costs in the meanwhile. Those costs are mostly sunk now. A century ago, GM's founder bought up small "popular" brands, gained economies of scale, and became America's great success of the last century. Canu, Tevo, Aptera could all join together to find those economies, too. Musk's indifference to offering an Aptera/Lucid/Tevo/Canu distribution network surprised me as it's a no-brainer.
I want to show you a video my Robert Dunn or Aging Wheels. Stating the issue with Solar in conventional vehicles. EV are efficient, but not efficient enough to justify adding them as range extender. Take a Tesla 3, it takes about 150-ish Wh/km and that means to at least get a single km you need a 150w. More panels more expensive. See imagine the amount of space/roof it'll occupy. Something people want is sun roofs. Moon roofs. And people really want cheap cars.
@@zid-zed solar cells laminated between two sheets of glass is not complicated, nor expensive to produce at scale. How many people would complain about getting 1/2 gallon of gas per day because their car can make it? Stop thinking about it like it's a bad idea because it won't cover all your daily driving needs, and start thinking about it like it will make a difference.
Hello! I definitely agree with this very good proposition. Aptera is onto solar power and I believe this is more environmental friendly than EV's and deserves support from the community who believes our planet Earth needs urgent regeneration for humanity's survival! 🙂👍🙏
So lucid says they don’t want to compete on the cheaper side of vehicles. And I feel like Aptera can hit a sub 10k vehicle by playing with design and offerings. So I wouldn’t want lucid to outright buy Aptera and change focus. But 60 million is such a small amount to invest with such a big potential upside, I don’t see how lucid or Tesla or any other car company hasn’t invested in them. But a lucid Aptera partnership makes so much sense. Now I doubt lucid will make in hub motors, and in theory Aptera knows how to make efficient ones they just need to start manufacturing. But the atlas lucid power train in an Aptera and Aptera solar on a lucid make too much sense and they can make a deal for both to help keep costs down. Honestly 60 million in Aptera to pay for solar r&d and have another partner with your powertrain makes so much sense.
Low priced Aptera is a whole new world. Imagine 100hp, FWD, 20 kWh battery, no winter climate accessories, 70mph limit, 120V/1.5kW charging option. Stripped down that much to maybe achieve 10 miles/kWh. In the southern half of the country, solar should average 2.5 kWh/day, 25 miles. Provided commuters drive less
@ Aptera can really have an impact once they’re able to provide the low cost side. If you hit the right spot it’s not how do we change our life style to have this car and it becomes we add this car to our current lineup and then because it’s free to drive you do.
What makes you so sure that if Aptera is gobbled up in an acquisition, that the Aptera vehicle would be produced? Maybe Lucid would only want some of Aptera's IP, like the solar panels, so they can be used for an upcoming Lucid model. A win for Lucid... leapfrog your own R&D... and eliminate your competition...then Lucid would be "The most efficient vehicle sold." Acquisition may not be the answer you hoped for. Let's finish up the production intent vehicles, go to CES, and let's see where that leads us.
I wouldn't want Aptera to sell to another company. They did that before and the company went under. I hope Aptera finds more ways to bring in money. Maybe several more partnerships for their solar panels to be on more products. What I think is keeping big investors away from Aptera is the design. It is different from anything else on the road, making it a risk.
Peter already stated he's never going into the 30k range with the Lucid brand. However, he is very open to the idea of licensing out his tech to other OEMs. As it stands. Ford, Toyota, Nissan are the only brands that make sense. The compact, powerful yet highly efficient Air motor is perfect for a Ford Maverick EV truck. Even just a rear wheel drive truck would yield 350 horses, hitting 400 mile range with 125kW battery pack. Those would sell like HOT CAKES! They dont even have to put any bells and whistles. Just take the same Maverick interior and make it EV.
YES. LUCID LISTEN UP. Invest in Aptera to use their solar. For this small amount of money, many of us waiting for Aptera will BECOME INSTANT LUCID FANS. We will buy LUCID next gen affordable car as our primary car and Aptera Gust as our secondary vehicle. That California bear on the Lucid EDU would fit PERFECTLY on the Aptera. My current vehicle is a 220K ‘16 Model S… you gotta know many of us have saved and saved and now are waiting for the next compelling advancement to drive to the grocery store and back 😂❤🎉 Aptera has so many fans, once they see the Lucid CEO interviews, and they feel this investment, they will instantly convert to your customers.
I actually have felt this way for a while. A company with money should scoop up Aptera, Canoo, and Telo. If Lucid bought those it would immediately get tons of product variation, and IP that it could leverage while also putting product on the road. Telo is the only one of the group that is not ready to produce. Canoo and Aptera just need money but they can produce ASAP. Make all of the vehicles more efficient in size, powertrain, wire harnessing, steer and brake by wire, 800v architecture, and add solar panels. The aesthetics between them should be pretty decent too. All they would need is to incorporate a battery company after that and they would easily rival Tesla.
I suspect Aptera is nowhere near production. If/when they finally get there, they will offer half a vehicle, 50% more wheel tracks, 50% more miles/kWh worth about $10/mo. All costing similar $40K as other more capable EV. Aptera is trying to excel at least valuable segment of the market while underperforming the important segments. Result: No professional investment.
Aptera seems to be valuating themselves higher than Lucid at this point - Look at the ~$14 per share offering for about $0.4 of tangible value. No wonder they came back to gullible crowd.
I think investors may be put off by too much that is unconventional - one thing being right to repair, that gives up ongoing recurring income from spares and repairs. The business model was one thing that sunk Sono Sion.
Why would anybody choose Aptera over model 3 (apart from few enthusiasts who want to be cool)? Comfort/looks/performance/price wise there's no point. Unless it's 10k cheaper than model 3, but it does not seem will be the case. Both are 30k$ as of today. If Tesla did 2 seater coupe based on Model 3, it would have been 25k$ and due to lower weight would have longer range than model 3 currently has. I bet you yourself would not trade your 3 to get Aptera, and newer 3 is even a bit better.
Should not merge or whatever. Aptera should stay as is for now until the production is in full swing & see how the public sees it & has driven the Aptera. I am optimistic, the public will love it. Once achieved, then & only can they have a merger. Motor wise, if Aptera adopts Lucid's, can always install a governor/limiter in HP/KW for the Aptera vehicle. Lucid can always help Aptera & get Aptera solar panels on Lucid vehicles. Tesla, are you listening on this one? Get ahead on this one & acquire Apter’s solar panels. Just an idea? As for me, I am excited & so far patient until next year to acquire my own AFFORDABLE Aptera. Lucid is very luxurious but not in my budget now or in the future.
Lucid probably could sell a quirky three wheel car. Unless Bezos wants a car company I don't see any legacy carmakers wanting aptera unless they need drivetrain technology and they would probably put the three wheel design on a shelf and make a four wheel car
Biggest hiccup is the Aptera Founders already know what could happen to their vision when they no longer have control. Probably why big investors haven't bitten.
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I think that's an amazing idea except for the fact that it would be Saudi funded just like Lucid is owned by them. Not trying to be biased but it would be nice for Aptera to stay true to their roots and what they're trying to do and not selling out. That way they don't get squished and eliminated you never know. Maybe if it comes down to it they may have to take extreme measures such as this, we shall see.
There's a reason why they can't get any serious investment money - no professional investor would touch them. Crowdfunding is they only way to fund this con. If you don't believe me just watch and wait.
The big auto makers HAVE NO DESIRE to 'improve' any product. They want them to fail as often as possible, so the auto can be towed to the service department and then rob the customer blind on repairs costs
I am not sure how Aptera would profit from Lucid. Lucid has more of a focus on luxury than efficiency. I suspect Lucid only cares about efficiency in as much as it increases the range, rather than decreases the cost of ownership or benefits the environment. I would rather see swappable motors, rather than specialized ones.
Shame on him just for expressing an opinion? I can't think of a more appropriate answer to your post than the very same expression you used to characterize him.
I don't really see a reason for Lucid to make a deal with Aptera other than caring for the environment. Lucid really seems to me to be like Porsche where they really want to be the luxury brand people view as one. They're products are glorious, but it's not the next Model 3 or Y. They're just way out of the price bracket.
For better or worse, I doubt this will happen. Lucid doesn't have a ton of cash for acquisitions floating around and the Aptera is already basically ready for production using parts that are probably completely unique and don't overlap at all with Lucid's existing supply chain. And that's not to mention that the two companies occupy two completely different segments, don't share design language, etc. There was a recent WSJ podcast where the Lucid CEO said that he doesn't expect Lucid to ever have budget models and he doesn't want to compete in that space because it's too crowded and low-margin. Perhaps Aptera would have better luck selling itself to a company like Bombardier. Bombardier is a massive conglomerate and Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) has already produced the Can-Am Spyder, so they already have an established presence and market for people interested in 3-wheeled vehicles.
they shouldnt lucid is a luxury brand. They will probably have something to go against the BMW i4 but nothing less than that. They have confirmed project midsize is the cheapest they will go.
Collaboration would be fine, but Chris and Steve sold out too much the last time and Aptera failed. I don't think they will choose to sell the control of the company's goals.
Lucid is the complete antithesis of Aptera. A big heavy expensive electric land barge has nothing in common with an affordable lightweight, efficient three-wheeled solar electric EV. Lucid is not profitable and has nothing to offer Aptera. Tesla on the other hand has a lot to offer Aptera - if Elon were interested which he probably isn't because he has his own ideas about what makes for a successful EV. But what Tesla could offer is good financial management, a heap of motivation and an enormous amount of knowledge about efficient, profitable EV production. Plus they have a heap of cash to invest. If Aptera joined forces with Lucid, the Aptera would be in competition with the Lucid models for Saudi funding, and guess what, Lucid models are like a black hole that suck up money leaving nothing left over for Aptera.
It looks like Aptera is not happening. I say that as a (small) investor and an early reservation holder. Model 3 is just so cheap now, and EV demand is low. This weird bespoke autocycle that requires an overseas company for the body, and a supplier for the motors, and is a 2 seater, and just... bizarre, makes little sense from a value proposition. The switch from the in-hub motors to an entirely new setup a few months before the promised delivery date was your clue that the literal and figurative wheels were coming off this company.
@@TailosiveEV Those paying attention to Sandy's interview knew a year ago. Unfortunate that they couldn't disclose it officially earlier but avoiding low volume specialized parts is good for repairability.
Lucid went high-end because they struggled to build an efficient machine to build the machines. As efficient as their motors are, making them at a low cost seems to be a problem for them. Saying they will have an affordable EV someday is just words with little value. Until we see it in production, it is vaporware. Company cultures feel very different. I just cannot see Lucid company culture working well with Aptera company culture. Tight budgets can push innovation. Lucid has debts and burning money at an insane rate. If the Saudi money goes away, so does Lucid. The last thing Lucid wants to get tied into another resource intensive venture. The whole solar on a Lucid vehicle fails due to mass. All the solar on an Aptera seems smart, but that has as much to do with the overall package as the panels themselves. Aptera is a niche company at the moment. Their vehicle being a two seater does limits the appeal more than the spaceship design. Maybe they need Ryan Reynolds to join them. The businesses Reynolds got involved in got great exposure. Aviation Gin, Mint Mobile, Wrexman football team, etc., have shown he can help businesses be successful. I would rather see a partnership with Reynolds versus Lucid.
Yeap! And if my homes’ PV solar can qualify for the prevailing Federal Incentive, over the years ( First 2005 and now in 2024 ) Why can’t a vehicle that produces some of its own electric charging needs qualify too? In some drivers’ all its needs in a day. That could go for Lucid or any EV BUT Aptera should gain “meaningful range “ so should only apply for meaning range IMHO. Aptera also uses less of the earth resources with its simple build needs ( smaller batteries, Only three wheels, Easy on our roads..i.e.,Even drives on our roads with less weight ) Better carbon footprint should be [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)̲̅$̲̅] rewarded ?
Lucid needs to learn how to make money in the EV industry. They lose money on every sale and that will continue for a long time. You are really saying the Saudi’s should invest in Aptera. I prefer Tesla investing in Aptera.
Nope. Just Nope. The key difference between the companies is the quality and engineering integrity. I haven't seen that from Aptera. I suspect most of Aptera's "specs" are fabricated. Aptera has huge liability exposure if it ever goes to market. Lucid will 100% never buy Aptera.
It is frustrating watching companies torch billions on "more of the same" while a truly compelling design is barely scraping by.
Exactly. Apple spent billions and decided NOT to make a car. But I mean hell, if any car *were* to be an Apple Car, it would be Aptera.
@@Nphen Nevermind Dyson, Faraday Future and most of the unprofitable Chinese OEM's that need to be merged into larger and more profitable entities in the near term...
It's an ugly design.
Hard AGREE
Personally, I would prefer to see Aptera be independent on its own. Once the production intent vehicles are independently certified to do as Aptera's computer modeling believes, then the money should be flowing to them. The capital needs at this point are within reach. Once the first 1500 or so, are actually on the road and accepting the idea of what it is, (despite the 3 wheels) then it's a done deal. Giving up at this point is most likely not in the dna of Steve Fambro or Chris Anthony. I think they want to see this through, come hell or high water. Simply don't see them giving up, and selling out.
Agreed
@@RajGiandeepI don't see this as prideful but as a mission, a quest if you must. Steve Fambro is very locked in and unless he and Chris Anthony decide enough is enough, they will stay the course. I just feel that they have worked too hard to throw in the towel and walk away
@@christopherbarrett9749 They have put in amazing work & deserve it see it come to life & hit production. Still so disappointing the funding hasn't come in. Perhaps CES will be a trigger for the funds to come in.
I mostly agree and think this crowd funding & independence (unfortunately) is part of the reason Aptera is having trouble finding large investors. We as customers (and decent human beings) know that right-to-repair, long-lived solar panels and generic infotainment & ADAS are the way to go. But that's not how "Owners of Global Finance Capital" (to quote Shahid Bolsen from Middle Nation) sees the world. OGFC sees proprietary tech & cheap parts as "profit centers" for long-term wealth extraction. I mean, uh, "shareholder value."
@@Nphen Capital brings its own expertise to an enterprise, often obtained at an awful cost. Sandy Munro has forgotten how many big 3 executives failed in his time. Auto making has evolved, sure, but casting perjoritives on dead ends serves no purpose.
I would hate to see Lucid buy Aptera, but if Rawlinson would invest tens of his hundreds of millions into Aptera, via a loan, that would be great! Chris and Steve keep control, Aptera starts making money and goes public and we all win. One can dream...
I mean at that point, we could wish for Elon, or any billionaire to give them good loan terms and retain control. Unfortunately, in a society that says wealth is human value, people with tons of money think it's their God-given right to control as many things as possible. Confirmation bias. Elon went against "experts" many times and was proven right. But his fans become sycophants and no one remembers the mistakes. Or they get fired if they do. Leaving only sycophants or people who just keep their heads down and work.
@@Nphen The 'keep your head down and just work' IS the mindset of all auto makers and I would venture to say, ALL companies. No boss wants to hear of 'rebellion in the ranks'. The squeaky wheel gets replaced, not greased.
Aptera will make it , they keep moving forward . I don't think the two CEO s would sell.
They are con men. They won't sell, they will file for bankruptcy and guess what? Investors and reservation holders will be the last in the line of creditors.
APTERA has such an impressive vehicle, I can’t believe someone or some company hasn’t invested the money required to reach production!! They could share in the profits!!! I also believe the Gravity is a great vehicle. Hopefully it will sell well.
It would be great for aptera to source or design an ultra efficient motor/powertrain, similar to what Lucid has done. But getting aptera into production to that greater picture of efficiency. And as always, great content!
It’s great that Lucid put the charge port in the drivers side rear with native NACS on the Gravity. It’d be nice if they did the same for the Air in the near future.
Lucid has a battery patent under their old name atieva, its still active and covers bottom cooling type with cylinderical cells above, basically identical to what aptera is doing. Aptera will be at risk of lititgation if they dont get a licence from lucid to use their patented battery design. You can look up the patent under the name atieva if you dont believe me.
I would love to see Lucid's powertrain inside an Aptera, but I don't see that happening. It just would be amazing from an effecieny standpoint.
That would be a great partnership. I'd love to see them partner and not a buyout. Both companies have great engineers at what they do.
Just here to say Telo should work with both Aptera and Lucid. There are no form factor overlap in any of the 3 companies, and all the potential for crossover tech.
Lucid makes the best quality EV in the world.
And loses 400k per vehicle. Genius.
@@vic321344 It's $227k per car. Tesla almost bankrupted because they were losing so much money for years so as many other car companies.
I think that ultimately, Aptera's proposition as a vehicle is already so strong that it just needs to get on the road in order to start the cash flowing. That means that taking a less-than-ideal loan with a high interest rate wouldnt be nearly as bad as it would with most other startups. Maybe Aptera should pursue that route before selling out.
Though, licensing their IP to Lucid might not be the worst idea. Lucid definitely stands to benefit from Aptera's efficient manufacturing and powertrain IP, so a deal in that sense wouldnt be so bad.
We have seen a few EVs 'who just need to get on the road to start the cash flowing' and they are all defunct
🤞A perfect fit and a win/win! Both are forward thinking firms that care deeply about the details. Both are winners having a hard time. (Apple could and should also buy Aptera. It is a good fit in the apple look, feel, coolness, innovative philosophy.) Thanks for another great insight into the future, Aptera/Lucid makes a lot of sense.
It’d be great to see a Lucid motor in the Aptera.
If lucid took over, they would shelve the current design, and use the solar patents
Yeah, that would be bad…
Rather than a buyout, Aptera could partner with Lucid and other EV manufacturers for their solar technology.
Very interesting take. I like the idea of this. They could really make a huge impact on the industry together.
A Partnership where Lucid buys solar from Aptera and Aptera buys efficient power trains from Lucid would be fine.
Lucid doesn't have a sufficiently efficient vehicle that will gain meaningful range from solar panels. So, such a partnership as you suggest won't be substantially beneficial to Aptera.
@adimchionyenadum2962 I was replying to the video. I didn’t do any calculations. Everything is based on what was said in the video. I wouldn’t be fine with Lucid buying Aptera in whole because Lucid doesn’t seem to care about lowering the price as much as possible or making the most efficient vehicle for sustainability. They would crush Aptera’s founders dreams. Ruining it for everyone who likes Aptera and its vision.
I want the Aptera to exist, too! .I'm manifesting as hard as I can.
The new crowd funding is only for 14 million dollars. Mostly for everyday operations! The convertible notes are still the main source for production. What makes you think that they are a failure?
I think ultimately the lowering cost and increasing density of batteries will offset the need for extreme efficiency
Wise comment. Plus the narrowing miles/kWh gap between good sedan vs trike. At 13K miles/yr, 8 vs 5 miles/kWh is worth about $10/mo. Who wouldn't choose a good sedan over the trike for $10/mo? Insurance difference might even cover it.
Take a look at the Honda tech, they plan on a 650 mile range EV in the next decade, for a 'wheeled brick'
What would be the most impressive and the greatest achievement for Aptera is to DRIVE the Aptera from California to Las Vegas CES show!!! This would be AMAZING!!!
I think a partnership between Lucid and Aptera, both American companies, would be beneficial for both companies and also us EV customers. Two thumbs up! And I’m an investor in Lucid! Also, Toyota Prius model has solar cells on its roof, it works while driving or parked to add some charge.
It’s interesting how some people question the ethics of Saudi money. Having spent half my life in the U.S. and the other half in Saudi Arabia, I find it absurd when Americans criticize the source of wealth in other countries. Unlike many nations, Saudi Arabia earns its wealth through its own natural resources, without exploiting or stealing from others. This is something very few countries can genuinely claim.
I think the criticism is more the Saudis have perpetrated a lot of unethical behavior as a country. High worker exploitation, killing of journalist, the suppression/subjugation of women.
Yeah also from their very own slave labour from their very own immigrants
That's funny, because right now Saudies are running out of water and are literally buying up land in Arizona and sucking our wells dry. Complete horse sheet.😂
@@PandaKnight52And is America as a country better? What about their support for the genocide in Gaza? What about their destruction of Iraq based on the lie that it possessed nuclear weapons? What about their war in Vietnam? What about their destruction of Libya? What about their bombing of Syria and stealing its oil, with even Trump himself saying, "We are in Syria for the oil"? America caused the deaths of a million people in Iraq-women, children, and the elderly. The topic of human rights in the West is incredibly laughable and contradictory, as it is used merely for political interests. Believing that America genuinely cares about human rights is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
@@PandaKnight52And is America as a country better? What about their support for the gen*cide in Gaza? What about their destruction of Iraq based on the lie that it possessed nuclear weapons? What about their war in Vietnam? What about their destruction of Libya? What about their bombing of Syria and stealing its oil, with even Trump himself saying, "We are in Syria for the oil"? America caused the dea*hs of a million people in Iraq-women, children, and the elderly. The topic of human rights in the West is incredibly laughable and contradictory, as it is used merely for political interests. Believing that America genuinely cares about human rights is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.
If wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak. It would be nice to have them partner up because if you are mass producing Apteras and just need to make 6K to break even, that's a hell of a lot of profit for the companies. I'll still just take the Launch Edition.
Side note, will you be going out to CES, Drew?
Been saying this! I'm totally on board. The only thing that I was curious about is, even if Lucid made an efficiency-focused motor just for the Aptera, I'm very curious how much Lucid's cost would be on that motor. They lose SO much money on every vehicle, I can't help but feel like the motor itself might cost them $30k.
However, with regard to solar, I just don't think Aptera's style fits the bill. Too industrial and not aesthetically pleasing enough. I feel like what Lightyear was offering would be more Lucid's thing. But, who knows, maybe Aptera could make a few tweaks to their tech.
The installation space for the Vitesco EMR3 is just barely available, larger motors can hardly be accommodated. If more space were available, the magnetless EMR4 would be the more suitable, highly efficient choice for the Aptera, as it is only slightly thicker and would require less reworking. However, if money were no object, the IWM motor could again be the first choice because it would also make a decisive difference on the market in terms of driving dynamics.
I just hope that Aptera finally would stop talking about "solar powered vehicle" but just do it and only advertise exteme efficiency.
The big PROBLEM advertising with the term "solar powered vehicle" is that as soon as big potential investors hear it, the only thing that pops up in their mind is that solar powered cars woud be impossible to achieve, which is what they've been told always. It really has become such a strong belief that only few tra to re-tink and dod tha math again (or at all). Even most engineers are in that camp.
So all those potenial investors will be nice and say "interesting" and that's it. End of story.
If Lucid did a buyout, do you think that Chris and Steve should each get $150million for the 15 million shares they own (assuming the current share price)? I'm not sure they've guided the company in a way that justifies that stake.
It does NOT make sense to put solar panels on anything Lucid is making or working on. It make sense on Aptera because the Aptera is so light and energy efficient. Lucid models weight 2.5 to 3.5 times what an aptera weighs.
Tesla could easily afford to buy Aptera and have a vehicle darn near close to production that would be way better than their Cyber cab.
The simple fact is that Aptera is not ready to sell to anyone who would demand control. And believe me, all of them (including the deep pockets) want control.
@@JEP-Tech I would prefer NOT to have Elon Musk anywhere near Lucid or Aptera. Let them mature on their own!
Interesting you mention solar cars by Lucid because I sent a message to the concact link basically offering a solar solution and their answer was “would you like to schedule a test drive?”
Boy Drew, you made this sound very interesting. I hope someone is listening.
Lucid should partner with Toyota/ Lexus. A Lexus with Lucid technology would sell pretty well.
A Toyota small/midsized EV truck would sell. The market is already saturated with EV SUVs. We know Ford Mavericks can't sit on dealer lot for more than a day, which means there's a burning market for small pickups. I want one, my girl and her mom wants one. Every demographic wants a small practical truck. If Toyota slap their legendary Tacoma suspension and diehard guts on a powerful, highly efficient Lucid motor, that's a winning combo. A dual motor Air motor powered truck could easily make North of 500 horses. Those would do Model Y numbers.
@@JDDevice Sounds like you should see if Telo Trucks has a Family Plan!
@bobhellman8676 Dope is dope. More women drive Ford Broncos. You'd think after linking to toxic male culture via the Juice man, you'd think they'd stay clear of it. Yet here we are.
Yeh yeah imagining 2/3 Europe have quite some winters and dreaming about this car. Yes, maybe Aptera would sell some but... it is not for high volume market. I do not see nothing special in that Aptera. Just my opinion. If 3 wheel is good idea, try not use ideal road. Crash safety? Personally would not own one even if it cost new 15k.
Aptera staff is from S. California. I don't think they have much clew of your reality. Similar to northern half of USA. When Aptera went to San Fran for an event, some employees said they had never been that far north!
I’d be worried Lucid would drag Aptera down. It would be nice to see Apterra get a big investment…
I don't think it's a good idea for Lucid or any company to buy out Aptera. They would lose control of the company. That didn't go well last time.
I could see Lucid using Aptera's solar tech though.
I'd rather Aptera lose control and make it to market than maintain control and never made it to market. Lucid I believe would have no reason to twist the Aptera into something it isn't. They already have sedans and SUVs, acquiring Aptera would simply solidify their monopoly on the most efficient vehicles in the world
@@TailosiveEV Exactly what I was going to say. Owned by Lucid in 2025Q4 is 100% better than bankrupt in 2025Q4.
@@TailosiveEV At that point, they could just go and give half the company to VC for funding. None of us enjoy the thought of that prospect because Aptera is *so close* to the goal line while still being independent. Some of us may enjoy the engineering and efficiency that Rawlinson champions, but there's no guarantee he wouldn't take Aptera to the Saudis; a brutal & repressive monarchy looking to greenwash their image. I'd just as soon see Telo merge with Aptera, but I presume they don't have working capital either. As I've mentioned in other comments, global finance capital is not our friend.
@@TailosiveEV Any buyout would be the end of the Aptera vehicle.
@@Nphen A brutal and repressive monarchy? oh, the Saudis, I thought you meant J. Biden. But the Saudis are Muzziees, and that is part and parcel of their 'religion'.
I was thinking along these lines but with Tesla's tech, given Aptera's affinity for the Tesla-developed NACS connector. Both Tesla and Lucid might have benefitted from an earlier collaboration by sharing more parts with Aptera, sparing Aptera some development costs in the meanwhile. Those costs are mostly sunk now.
A century ago, GM's founder bought up small "popular" brands, gained economies of scale, and became America's great success of the last century. Canu, Tevo, Aptera could all join together to find those economies, too. Musk's indifference to offering an Aptera/Lucid/Tevo/Canu distribution network surprised me as it's a no-brainer.
It blows my mind seeing EV’s aiming for efficiency, that don’t have solar covering them. It’s like they are run by giant corporations or something.
I want to show you a video my Robert Dunn or Aging Wheels. Stating the issue with Solar in conventional vehicles.
EV are efficient, but not efficient enough to justify adding them as range extender.
Take a Tesla 3, it takes about 150-ish Wh/km and that means to at least get a single km you need a 150w. More panels more expensive.
See imagine the amount of space/roof it'll occupy. Something people want is sun roofs. Moon roofs.
And people really want cheap cars.
@@zid-zed solar cells laminated between two sheets of glass is not complicated, nor expensive to produce at scale. How many people would complain about getting 1/2 gallon of gas per day because their car can make it? Stop thinking about it like it's a bad idea because it won't cover all your daily driving needs, and start thinking about it like it will make a difference.
And developing a vehicle software stack is so expensive and treacherous, it would be great to have more consolidation there
Hello! I definitely agree with this very good proposition. Aptera is onto solar power and I believe this is more environmental friendly than EV's and deserves support from the community who believes our planet Earth needs urgent regeneration for humanity's survival! 🙂👍🙏
So lucid says they don’t want to compete on the cheaper side of vehicles. And I feel like Aptera can hit a sub 10k vehicle by playing with design and offerings. So I wouldn’t want lucid to outright buy Aptera and change focus. But 60 million is such a small amount to invest with such a big potential upside, I don’t see how lucid or Tesla or any other car company hasn’t invested in them. But a lucid Aptera partnership makes so much sense. Now I doubt lucid will make in hub motors, and in theory Aptera knows how to make efficient ones they just need to start manufacturing. But the atlas lucid power train in an Aptera and Aptera solar on a lucid make too much sense and they can make a deal for both to help keep costs down. Honestly 60 million in Aptera to pay for solar r&d and have another partner with your powertrain makes so much sense.
Low priced Aptera is a whole new world. Imagine 100hp, FWD, 20 kWh battery, no winter climate accessories, 70mph limit, 120V/1.5kW charging option. Stripped down that much to maybe achieve 10 miles/kWh. In the southern half of the country, solar should average 2.5 kWh/day, 25 miles. Provided commuters drive less
@ Aptera can really have an impact once they’re able to provide the low cost side. If you hit the right spot it’s not how do we change our life style to have this car and it becomes we add this car to our current lineup and then because it’s free to drive you do.
Great idea!
YES! btw, do you think chris/steve have rejected big bucks because theyre afraid of losing control
Apple has a great opportunity here…
What makes you so sure that if Aptera is gobbled up in an acquisition, that the Aptera vehicle would be produced? Maybe Lucid would only want some of Aptera's IP, like the solar panels, so they can be used for an upcoming Lucid model. A win for Lucid... leapfrog your own R&D... and eliminate your competition...then Lucid would be "The most efficient vehicle sold." Acquisition may not be the answer you hoped for. Let's finish up the production intent vehicles, go to CES, and let's see where that leads us.
to partner - yes, to absorb Aptera - BIG NO.
I wouldn't want Aptera to sell to another company. They did that before and the company went under. I hope Aptera finds more ways to bring in money. Maybe several more partnerships for their solar panels to be on more products.
What I think is keeping big investors away from Aptera is the design. It is different from anything else on the road, making it a risk.
Peter already stated he's never going into the 30k range with the Lucid brand. However, he is very open to the idea of licensing out his tech to other OEMs.
As it stands. Ford, Toyota, Nissan are the only brands that make sense. The compact, powerful yet highly efficient Air motor is perfect for a Ford Maverick EV truck. Even just a rear wheel drive truck would yield 350 horses, hitting 400 mile range with 125kW battery pack. Those would sell like HOT CAKES! They dont even have to put any bells and whistles. Just take the same Maverick interior and make it EV.
I would definitely approve of a lucid aptera collab. My two favorite EV companies.
Well you have the morals of a goldfish so that checks out
You have the morality of a goldfish so your take checks out
@@EarthCreature.In some people's minds two companies working together is immoral I guess?
YES. LUCID LISTEN UP. Invest in Aptera to use their solar. For this small amount of money, many of us waiting for Aptera will BECOME INSTANT LUCID FANS. We will buy LUCID next gen affordable car as our primary car and Aptera Gust as our secondary vehicle. That California bear on the Lucid EDU would fit PERFECTLY on the Aptera. My current vehicle is a 220K ‘16 Model S… you gotta know many of us have saved and saved and now are waiting for the next compelling advancement to drive to the grocery store and back 😂❤🎉 Aptera has so many fans, once they see the Lucid CEO interviews, and they feel this investment, they will instantly convert to your customers.
The Aptera is the only EV that's ever had any actual appeal to me
Ill just keep driving exclusively gasoline i guess
I actually have felt this way for a while. A company with money should scoop up Aptera, Canoo, and Telo. If Lucid bought those it would immediately get tons of product variation, and IP that it could leverage while also putting product on the road. Telo is the only one of the group that is not ready to produce. Canoo and Aptera just need money but they can produce ASAP. Make all of the vehicles more efficient in size, powertrain, wire harnessing, steer and brake by wire, 800v architecture, and add solar panels. The aesthetics between them should be pretty decent too. All they would need is to incorporate a battery company after that and they would easily rival Tesla.
I suspect Aptera is nowhere near production. If/when they finally get there, they will offer half a vehicle, 50% more wheel tracks, 50% more miles/kWh worth about $10/mo. All costing similar $40K as other more capable EV. Aptera is trying to excel at least valuable segment of the market while underperforming the important segments.
Result: No professional investment.
We all forget the Chi Coms HAD all the patents and such on Aptera after the first failure. And they did nothing with it.
Mitsubishi chemical might be an interesting mix.They own CPC group.
Didn’t the Air just finished almost last in the challenge from LA to NY? Even the Model S did better. They need to improve charging speed by a lot
Aptera seems to be valuating themselves higher than Lucid at this point - Look at the ~$14 per share offering for about $0.4 of tangible value. No wonder they came back to gullible crowd.
Aptera tech is superior to Lucid's ridiculous luxury con. So.. wake the f up guy
@EarthCreature. lol
Gullible crowd! Are you remotely serious? Have you even looked up some of the members of this "gullible crowd?
I think investors may be put off by too much that is unconventional - one thing being right to repair, that gives up ongoing recurring income from spares and repairs. The business model was one thing that sunk Sono Sion.
Care to elaborate a bit on the Sono Sion reference?
Why would anybody choose Aptera over model 3 (apart from few enthusiasts who want to be cool)? Comfort/looks/performance/price wise there's no point. Unless it's 10k cheaper than model 3, but it does not seem will be the case. Both are 30k$ as of today.
If Tesla did 2 seater coupe based on Model 3, it would have been 25k$ and due to lower weight would have longer range than model 3 currently has.
I bet you yourself would not trade your 3 to get Aptera, and newer 3 is even a bit better.
Valid points, and this writer just bought a used "03' since the Aptera will never be made in my life time
Aptera is at least $40K per USCG disclosure.
It would be great if the gov would loan them the 60M out of the 7.5B they are supposed to be loaning to Stellantis.
Should not merge or whatever. Aptera should stay as is for now until the production is in full swing & see how the public sees it & has driven the Aptera. I am optimistic, the public will love it. Once achieved, then & only can they have a merger. Motor wise, if Aptera adopts Lucid's, can always install a governor/limiter in HP/KW for the Aptera vehicle. Lucid can always help Aptera & get Aptera solar panels on Lucid vehicles. Tesla, are you listening on this one? Get ahead on this one & acquire Apter’s solar panels. Just an idea? As for me, I am excited & so far patient until next year to acquire my own AFFORDABLE Aptera. Lucid is very luxurious but not in my budget now or in the future.
I suspect they have had a few interested investors, they are just not contract terms Aptera is comfortable with.
100% agree. I mean, whatever gets it done really, but also, I 100% agree that these two would be so good together!
Lucid probably could sell a quirky three wheel car. Unless Bezos wants a car company I don't see any legacy carmakers wanting aptera unless they need drivetrain technology and they would probably put the three wheel design on a shelf and make a four wheel car
Biggest hiccup is the Aptera Founders already know what could happen to their vision when they no longer have control. Probably why big investors haven't bitten.
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I think that's an amazing idea except for the fact that it would be Saudi funded just like Lucid is owned by them. Not trying to be biased but it would be nice for Aptera to stay true to their roots and what they're trying to do and not selling out. That way they don't get squished and eliminated you never know. Maybe if it comes down to it they may have to take extreme measures such as this, we shall see.
There's a reason why they can't get any serious investment money - no professional investor would touch them. Crowdfunding is they only way to fund this con. If you don't believe me just watch and wait.
Terrible idea!!!
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The big auto makers HAVE NO DESIRE to 'improve' any product. They want them to fail as often as possible, so the auto can be towed to the service department and then rob the customer blind on repairs costs
I am not sure how Aptera would profit from Lucid. Lucid has more of a focus on luxury than efficiency. I suspect Lucid only cares about efficiency in as much as it increases the range, rather than decreases the cost of ownership or benefits the environment. I would rather see swappable motors, rather than specialized ones.
It's inappropriate to suggest buyouts. Even if they have to slowly slog it out shame on you. I'm willing to wait for mine
YOU, OP might be young enough to wait for yours, even if you get it when your 85. Some of us DO NOT have that luxury
Shame on him just for expressing an opinion? I can't think of a more appropriate answer to your post than the very same expression you used to characterize him.
I still have hopes of apple buying or partnering with Aptera. I think this would be an awesome partnership.
I don't really see a reason for Lucid to make a deal with Aptera other than caring for the environment. Lucid really seems to me to be like Porsche where they really want to be the luxury brand people view as one. They're products are glorious, but it's not the next Model 3 or Y. They're just way out of the price bracket.
For better or worse, I doubt this will happen. Lucid doesn't have a ton of cash for acquisitions floating around and the Aptera is already basically ready for production using parts that are probably completely unique and don't overlap at all with Lucid's existing supply chain. And that's not to mention that the two companies occupy two completely different segments, don't share design language, etc. There was a recent WSJ podcast where the Lucid CEO said that he doesn't expect Lucid to ever have budget models and he doesn't want to compete in that space because it's too crowded and low-margin. Perhaps Aptera would have better luck selling itself to a company like Bombardier. Bombardier is a massive conglomerate and Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) has already produced the Can-Am Spyder, so they already have an established presence and market for people interested in 3-wheeled vehicles.
Lucid & Aptera both use 2170s, both use NACS, both have CarPlay support, and a desire for aluminum castings to lower weight and maximize efficiency
CES will bring us the investors.
If a company still has to resort to crowdfunding in this late stage, the company is done.
Thanks for the awesome sh!t take!
There is never a stage in a startup that it can't do crowdfunding. Hunting for funds and funding only stops at IPO.
AMC but EV! Lucid, Rivian and Aptera all join to make a new AMC
I might agree with that acquisition if Lucid was not in a struggle already.
Lucid could buy Aptera and call it the Lucid Wing. 😉
Lucid Gust
Aptera seems like it would be dangerous in a wreck.
they shouldnt lucid is a luxury brand. They will probably have something to go against the BMW i4 but nothing less than that. They have confirmed project midsize is the cheapest they will go.
Lucid is burning enough cash and doesn’t need help doing so.
There is no Aptera.
10 years ago, maybe.
Vaperware.
Collaboration would be fine, but Chris and Steve sold out too much the last time and Aptera failed. I don't think they will choose to sell the control of the company's goals.
Lucid is the complete antithesis of Aptera. A big heavy expensive electric land barge has nothing in common with an affordable lightweight, efficient three-wheeled solar electric EV. Lucid is not profitable and has nothing to offer Aptera. Tesla on the other hand has a lot to offer Aptera - if Elon were interested which he probably isn't because he has his own ideas about what makes for a successful EV. But what Tesla could offer is good financial management, a heap of motivation and an enormous amount of knowledge about efficient, profitable EV production. Plus they have a heap of cash to invest. If Aptera joined forces with Lucid, the Aptera would be in competition with the Lucid models for Saudi funding, and guess what, Lucid models are like a black hole that suck up money leaving nothing left over for Aptera.
TSLA might be able to help Aptera with what Aptera should have done years ago, but the trike is not an asset to TSLA.
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It looks like Aptera is not happening. I say that as a (small) investor and an early reservation holder. Model 3 is just so cheap now, and EV demand is low. This weird bespoke autocycle that requires an overseas company for the body, and a supplier for the motors, and is a 2 seater, and just... bizarre, makes little sense from a value proposition. The switch from the in-hub motors to an entirely new setup a few months before the promised delivery date was your clue that the literal and figurative wheels were coming off this company.
They knew they were switching to in board motors a year before it was announced
@@TailosiveEV Those paying attention to Sandy's interview knew a year ago. Unfortunate that they couldn't disclose it officially earlier but avoiding low volume specialized parts is good for repairability.
Lucid went high-end because they struggled to build an efficient machine to build the machines.
As efficient as their motors are, making them at a low cost seems to be a problem for them.
Saying they will have an affordable EV someday is just words with little value. Until we see it in production, it is vaporware.
Company cultures feel very different. I just cannot see Lucid company culture working well with Aptera company culture.
Tight budgets can push innovation. Lucid has debts and burning money at an insane rate. If the Saudi money goes away, so does Lucid. The last thing Lucid wants to get tied into another resource intensive venture.
The whole solar on a Lucid vehicle fails due to mass. All the solar on an Aptera seems smart, but that has as much to do with the overall package as the panels themselves.
Aptera is a niche company at the moment. Their vehicle being a two seater does limits the appeal more than the spaceship design.
Maybe they need Ryan Reynolds to join them. The businesses Reynolds got involved in got great exposure. Aviation Gin, Mint Mobile, Wrexman football team, etc., have shown he can help businesses be successful. I would rather see a partnership with Reynolds versus Lucid.
Yeap!
And if my homes’ PV solar can qualify for the prevailing Federal Incentive, over the years ( First 2005 and now in 2024 ) Why can’t a vehicle that produces some of its own electric charging needs qualify too? In some drivers’ all its needs in a day. That could go for Lucid or any EV BUT Aptera should gain “meaningful range “ so should only apply for meaning range IMHO. Aptera also uses less of the earth resources with its simple build needs ( smaller batteries, Only three wheels, Easy on our roads..i.e.,Even drives on our roads with less weight ) Better carbon footprint should be [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)̲̅$̲̅] rewarded ?
I suspect gov motivation of solar subsidy was labor increase. No subsidies for solar put on my boat or car camping setup. Just my residential solar.
No
Lucid needs to learn how to make money in the EV industry. They lose money on every sale and that will continue for a long time. You are really saying the Saudi’s should invest in Aptera. I prefer Tesla investing in Aptera.
But TSLA has no use for Aptera. And until Aptera demonstrates who they are, probably too much risk for anyone else.
Aptera will fail in 2025... Told you so Drew.
From all evidence, including the FTC filings, you are likely correct. The crowd funding move so indicates
I don't think a buyout is a good idea
Nope. Just Nope. The key difference between the companies is the quality and engineering integrity. I haven't seen that from Aptera. I suspect most of Aptera's "specs" are fabricated. Aptera has huge liability exposure if it ever goes to market.
Lucid will 100% never buy Aptera.
Aptera is still around?
No, it shouldn't. Lucid's balance sheet looks terrible.
How very controversial you controvertialist! Colour me shocked.
No 50K aptera - bullshit.
How do you feel about $40K? What is your lowest acceptable miles/kWh?
Aptera is a 2 seater. Who would pay 50k for a 2 seater? No one.