11:04 - lies! Haha, there is one synergy... Just one, with *Tangle Wire!* Let me know if you live that dream (hasn’t happened for me yet). Be well and Happy Brewing, babies. 🍻
This is the first video of yours that I'm seeing and I absolutely loved it. Thank you for so carefully vocalizing my stream of consciousness into something so eloquently crafted.
Glad to hear it! She is an absolute favorite of mine. Certainly my favorite Legendary for Golgari, hands down. You see *Wandering Archaic* yet? Must include from Strixhaven.
@@LocalGameGroup what do you think is the best abzan star deck? Esp with all the new cards and do you think belbe is the best golgari can offer (besides gitrog)?
I didn't know what the reverse list was when I started buy other EDH cards back in 2016. I had no clue that they said "never could" reprint cards because I was used to just buying stuff on the markets. Has it affected me now? Yea because I didn't buy any of the OG duals back like 5 years ago when they were cheap. =/
Reserved List is easy to solve. Wizards just has to print official proxies of expensive RL cards. Gold bordered RL cards have already been printed in World Championship decks. It’s just a matter of what kind of product they would go in. Make a physical Vintage Cube product that is gold bordered, it’s already popular on mtgo, it solves most of the problems. But Wizards, as greedy as they are now, wouldn’t sell it cheap.
Nah, that’s why they dropped their MSRP (back w/War of the Spark): they have a “name your price” gun, officially, for all their SL’s and anything else moving forward.
@@damo9961 The point it that they are functionally and visually the same as the RL cards; even made by Wizards themselves. They can circumvent the RL by making them Gold bordered so that the cards are technically not tournament legal.
How does the curve work competitively tho? T1: Cauldon Familiar -- Lose the 1 aoe trigger, fail to ramp with BB, just a complete wiff. T2: Cauldron Familiar + Belbe in the same turn? Means you need a 0-drop or 1-drop ramp, not too hard, but it becomes 2 cards to do what any of the [Attack→Ping] cards do. T3: CF + BB == A turn too slow. You get your 6 drop on turn 3 instead of turn 2. Any later turn? It's late game. You don't really need those 6 colorless mana unless you're playing Eldrazi Titans, and a "Colorless Ritual" still isn't as good as a static ping effect. You should sac BB and don't care about her trigger because the opponents have been locked out. You don't need to give them even a slight chance of extra mana.
I wonder why people don't run Shepard of Rot in the pinger list. Typically (at least the metas I've played in) game wins or loses don't come down to a few life lost, but usually a Thoracle or infinite combo. I've added Shepard into my list and it puts in work, and does so without the risk of attacking. His only downside is the 2 cmc, which may be why people have chosen not to run it.
I knew it was gonna be an eldrazi list. I might actually build this since i already have a semi-powerful great distortion deck which i play in cedh-y tables. And while its normal to get combo'd before kozilek comes, once i cast it once the deck feels at the same level than the table. And my favorite play is countering those 0 mana value cards not by discarding a mana crypt... but a basic wastes, the insult 🤣
@@LocalGameGroup I love her too! There's definitely some good synergies like Okiba Reckoner Raid and some other stuff that might be fun like Threats Undetected.. but I'm definitely no deckbuilder and I wonder what would you end up adding.
The reserved list was important at the start of this game for sure. But it s soooooo bad managed it s embarassing. The problem is that now we have to accept it because nothing has been done before. You can t stop buyouts without killing the market. I ve bougth a gea s and a Wheel recently. They are investments more than cards.
@@LocalGameGroup yes, most of the games people just quit all togheter after a third turn in a row, specially if you can play a sensei divining top or crystal ball before hand (crystal ball in this instance is better). The times it doesn't... I laugh SO MUCH with people salting because the turns are so randomized that I don't even care I also play with Omen Machine for the extra salty boost
Patrick, what about Cauldron Familiar? You could maybe fit in oven as well. I am sure there's an elf tribal version with the new elf cards like Elderfang Venom
I don’t like the one shots. Nothing will compete with a T1, 1 mana value “Each Opponent” creature. So I’m really just holding out for more of those. However, you could build an elf theme around Belbe, for sure.
Had a killer game today with this deck list against a counter heavy pod, but Kozilek and Wandering Archaic held down the table quite well :) any updates planned for this list for when MH2 hits?
I've got a few reserved list staples, I'm hoping to trade up to get the few "affordable" ones I need such as Mox Diamond and Lion's Eye Diamond - sadly I doubt I'll be in the position to obtain a real Bazaar or Chains so it'll be proxies for me!
You can definitely run Winter Orb. I find it often doesn't do enough with how Mana Rock heavy my own personal meta is, but it's certainly worthy of consideration for Madam Belbe.
Hey Patrick! First of all, thank you for yet another sweet deck and game plan. Second, would you ever cosider doing a deck doctor type show for patron's decks. I would get on patreon asap for that >_
Funny you should mention: yeah! So, there have been updates to the Patreon with a monthly segment added to the programing *specifically* for working on lists suggested by Patrons. I'm about to send out an alert to the *Brew Masters* on this very topic. 👌 More details can be found on the Patreon. Thanks for checking in and watching the program.
No Priest of Titania? I know she's 2 mana but you run a lot of dorks and other cheap elves, plus Belbe is an elf so you almost always tap for 2 if not 3 mana. Peer into the Abyss is a good one. I like Sandstone Oracle too, deck can run out of gas and someone at the table always has a full hand of cards. I've played some games where a turn 2 Smokestack just wins me the game.
I’m not sure why I’d be running Priest as she takes a dedicated board state and casting slot (T2) for Belbe. I have a Commander that does the ramp I need, with 100% availability on her. Plan A > Priest. I’ll be brewing a list shortly that will rely on her though. 🤝
None of these fit the makeup of the list. Add them to the “do not add” portion. The examples I started with for pingers are what we want, so don’t settle for less 👌
legacy is my favorite format. I cant afford a legacy deck. i played in a tourny that allowed proxy decks. i played vs ppl who had actual decks and i won. sadge
The buyouts have made my collection more valuable but at the end of teh day it's not something you ever wanna see. For example my Survival of the fittest didn't even cost me 100 bucks and now it's almost 4 times that. It doesn't even feel good, at this point I'll probably just proxy them and sell them at some point.
@@corvoattano6765 Gaea's Cradle, Ancient Tomb, Hedron Archive, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Dreamstone Hedron, Carpet of Flowers (T1)... These are off the top of the dome.
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11:04 - lies! Haha, there is one synergy... Just one, with *Tangle Wire!* Let me know if you live that dream (hasn’t happened for me yet). Be well and Happy Brewing, babies. 🍻
With this video i have realised that i relish in other peoples misery, i love stax. If i ever make a cEDh deck this is the one
Please your our mtggriefer group on fb ;)
"Ugin the Ineffable, you can't eff with this guy..." 😂😂😂
mono black made that joke years ago 😂
Super late to the party but currently loving Belbe and love your vid! Very clear game plan!
Thank you! Much appreciated.
This is the first video of yours that I'm seeing and I absolutely loved it. Thank you for so carefully vocalizing my stream of consciousness into something so eloquently crafted.
I've been playing belbe for a while now and there were some new things I learned in this video, thanks!
Glad to hear it! She is an absolute favorite of mine. Certainly my favorite Legendary for Golgari, hands down. You see *Wandering Archaic* yet? Must include from Strixhaven.
@@LocalGameGroup I hadn’t until now! Also sandstone oracle is a great “‘mini kozilek” usually able to draw at least 3 cards with it
@@LocalGameGroup what do you think is the best abzan star deck? Esp with all the new cards and do you think belbe is the best golgari can offer (besides gitrog)?
I once had an opponent animate his god pharaoh's statue and then equip helm of the host to it. It was pretty cool not gonna lie...
If possible a competitive 99 dollar budget list for her would be so fun to brew! Would love to see it!
I just realized Belbe is the cEDH-Deck for Tron and NicFit Players :D
I didn't know what the reverse list was when I started buy other EDH cards back in 2016. I had no clue that they said "never could" reprint cards because I was used to just buying stuff on the markets.
Has it affected me now? Yea because I didn't buy any of the OG duals back like 5 years ago when they were cheap. =/
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They blew up my collection!
Likewise 🇺🇸
Built a Belbe deck while watching this episode! I even ordered the cards I was missing lol can’t wait to play her next Friday night!
Please! Report back in, would love to know how she performs for you. Honestly, it’s easily my favorite Golgari deck.
@@LocalGameGroup I certainly will! My play group is a little more casual so I’m testing a few cheeky cards like Army of the Damned just for laughs.
when i let a friend play my decks and get asked to explain it briefly 22:40
"tapped, untapped, upside down were gonna win with these cards"
I laughed out loud at this
I used to play an Urza Stax list in cedh but this looks like so much more fun 😭😭
Definitely worth a shot! I really enjoy Belbe for powering out Stax.
Reserved List is easy to solve. Wizards just has to print official proxies of expensive RL cards. Gold bordered RL cards have already been printed in World Championship decks. It’s just a matter of what kind of product they would go in.
Make a physical Vintage Cube product that is gold bordered, it’s already popular on mtgo, it solves most of the problems. But Wizards, as greedy as they are now, wouldn’t sell it cheap.
Nah, that’s why they dropped their MSRP (back w/War of the Spark): they have a “name your price” gun, officially, for all their SL’s and anything else moving forward.
@@LocalGameGroup well, they still control the price through print-run and the price they sell to distributors. MSRP was only the *suggested* price.
I pay for all my cards, if you're going to bust out proxies some people just scoop.
@@damo9961 The point it that they are functionally and visually the same as the RL cards; even made by Wizards themselves. They can circumvent the RL by making them Gold bordered so that the cards are technically not tournament legal.
This comment didn't age well lol
How did that 30th anniversary sale go with the proxies??
Kinda surprised Caludron Familiar didnt make the cut but it makes more sense after hearing how the ideal turn 1,2, 3 goes
How does the curve work competitively tho?
T1: Cauldon Familiar -- Lose the 1 aoe trigger, fail to ramp with BB, just a complete wiff.
T2: Cauldron Familiar + Belbe in the same turn? Means you need a 0-drop or 1-drop ramp, not too hard, but it becomes 2 cards to do what any of the [Attack→Ping] cards do.
T3: CF + BB == A turn too slow. You get your 6 drop on turn 3 instead of turn 2.
Any later turn? It's late game. You don't really need those 6 colorless mana unless you're playing Eldrazi Titans, and a "Colorless Ritual" still isn't as good as a static ping effect. You should sac BB and don't care about her trigger because the opponents have been locked out. You don't need to give them even a slight chance of extra mana.
@@XoIoRouge ye
I LOVE BELBE. Subscribed af
I cannot wait to keep on improving the list. She's entirely too much fun to play.
I wonder why people don't run Shepard of Rot in the pinger list. Typically (at least the metas I've played in) game wins or loses don't come down to a few life lost, but usually a Thoracle or infinite combo. I've added Shepard into my list and it puts in work, and does so without the risk of attacking. His only downside is the 2 cmc, which may be why people have chosen not to run it.
I knew it was gonna be an eldrazi list. I might actually build this since i already have a semi-powerful great distortion deck which i play in cedh-y tables. And while its normal to get combo'd before kozilek comes, once i cast it once the deck feels at the same level than the table.
And my favorite play is countering those 0 mana value cards not by discarding a mana crypt... but a basic wastes, the insult 🤣
Oh! That sounds like a fun deck: always having Kozi available. Yeah, I avoided the ‘Drazi at first, but they’re fantastic here.
My man, any chance we could see an 2023 updated version of this build? There is.. if there's anything major to be updated
Hmm, that could be fun to revisit some lists. 🤔 I love Belbe. I’m not sure there’s anything new, but I’ll have to take a gander.
@@LocalGameGroup I love her too! There's definitely some good synergies like Okiba Reckoner Raid and some other stuff that might be fun like Threats Undetected.. but I'm definitely no deckbuilder and I wonder what would you end up adding.
Like you're content
The reserved list was important at the start of this game for sure. But it s soooooo bad managed it s embarassing. The problem is that now we have to accept it because nothing has been done before. You can t stop buyouts without killing the market. I ve bougth a gea s and a Wheel recently. They are investments more than cards.
There are not many things more evil than a turn 2 God Pharaoh Statue
Also, I don't know if you considered it... but my Belbe main card is Timesifter, I got A LOT of extra turns with it, A LOT.
To be honest man... I have. I really have, haha. It’s performed well for you? My issue is the day it doesn’t ☠️
@@LocalGameGroup yes, most of the games people just quit all togheter after a third turn in a row, specially if you can play a sensei divining top or crystal ball before hand (crystal ball in this instance is better).
The times it doesn't... I laugh SO MUCH with people salting because the turns are so randomized that I don't even care
I also play with Omen Machine for the extra salty boost
I may give it a go for kicks. Bet it looks great in foil as well.
thoughts on reserve list buyouts? well im quickly learning which of my cards are reserve listed...fork wtf xD
Hahaha, Fork! Man... That card flewww up in value. Can’t blame it.
Patrick, what about Cauldron Familiar? You could maybe fit in oven as well. I am sure there's an elf tribal version with the new elf cards like Elderfang Venom
I don’t like the one shots. Nothing will compete with a T1, 1 mana value “Each Opponent” creature. So I’m really just holding out for more of those. However, you could build an elf theme around Belbe, for sure.
Cool build
Had a killer game today with this deck list against a counter heavy pod, but Kozilek and Wandering Archaic held down the table quite well :) any updates planned for this list for when MH2 hits?
I've got a few reserved list staples, I'm hoping to trade up to get the few "affordable" ones I need such as Mox Diamond and Lion's Eye Diamond - sadly I doubt I'll be in the position to obtain a real Bazaar or Chains so it'll be proxies for me!
I almost bought a Bazaar’s for $800 a while back, excellent condition and... Passed. My only regret purchase wise 😑
@@LocalGameGroup I wish I'd done that back when I was starting to upgrade my Mimeo reanimator deck, but $200 seemed excessive 😂
My boy Jarad getting no love for his line with Phyrexian Devourer
Super sweet stax list! Curious, what are your thoughts on winter orb for the deck?
You can definitely run Winter Orb. I find it often doesn't do enough with how Mana Rock heavy my own personal meta is, but it's certainly worthy of consideration for Madam Belbe.
Hey Patrick! First of all, thank you for yet another sweet deck and game plan. Second, would you ever cosider doing a deck doctor type show for patron's decks. I would get on patreon asap for that >_
Funny you should mention: yeah! So, there have been updates to the Patreon with a monthly segment added to the programing *specifically* for working on lists suggested by Patrons. I'm about to send out an alert to the *Brew Masters* on this very topic. 👌 More details can be found on the Patreon. Thanks for checking in and watching the program.
@@LocalGameGroup thanks, will get right on that
No Priest of Titania? I know she's 2 mana but you run a lot of dorks and other cheap elves, plus Belbe is an elf so you almost always tap for 2 if not 3 mana.
Peer into the Abyss is a good one.
I like Sandstone Oracle too, deck can run out of gas and someone at the table always has a full hand of cards.
I've played some games where a turn 2 Smokestack just wins me the game.
I’m not sure why I’d be running Priest as she takes a dedicated board state and casting slot (T2) for Belbe. I have a Commander that does the ramp I need, with 100% availability on her. Plan A > Priest. I’ll be brewing a list shortly that will rely on her though. 🤝
@@LocalGameGroup How about Chalice of the Void? Most of our cards cost a lot compared to most decks
Maybe duskwielder, Cauldron Familiar, or death cultist? maybe even disciple of the vault.
None of these fit the makeup of the list. Add them to the “do not add” portion. The examples I started with for pingers are what we want, so don’t settle for less 👌
@@LocalGameGroup yeah I know the ones your using are the optimal ones but you wouldn't add any of these for redundancy I mean?
Hahahaah i just realize how this is the shit hahahaha love it
What are your thoughts on horizon stone?
the decklist brings up an error
Not enough Stax, I know!
@@LocalGameGroup no it was gone, also how can you make it more
@@LocalGameGroup ok now it works, the server was gone yesterday xD
lol "get around hullbreachers"
Bans do happen 🙃 not sad about it
legacy is my favorite format. I cant afford a legacy deck. i played in a tourny that allowed proxy decks. i played vs ppl who had actual decks and i won. sadge
I want every game to be a test of skill. Congrats!
The buyouts have made my collection more valuable but at the end of teh day it's not something you ever wanna see. For example my Survival of the fittest didn't even cost me 100 bucks and now it's almost 4 times that. It doesn't even feel good, at this point I'll probably just proxy them and sell them at some point.
I think my Survival was $70 🤌
How did you resist painting your hand and imitating her pose for the thumbnail?
So, there was *another* thumbnail, haha... It didn’t check out, but I tried to capture her personage. This was a close second.
litty
In the last 6 weeks I've gone from 0% proxies to 100% proxies. I can't play the Magic: The Stockmarket Simulator game anymore... too old. Too tired.
Too little time to dawdle. It’s tough trying to build decks/play the game while actively fighting a pay wall.
What's up with belbe's back? Slipped disk?scoliosis?
I wondered the same. It looks like an extended spine, but it’s kinda cute 🥰 She is a cyborg(?) I thought. Not sure what her lore is.
winter orb
Heyhey,
How is this deck playing on 2024? o/
I wouldn't know ;_; I did stop playing her, but it can be rough without the pingers
When you slap an Eldrazi on the board in cEDH
Haha, lot’s of confusion, general fear, a little panic... Yeah, it’s nice
@@LocalGameGroup quick question how do we get up to Kozilek mana on turn 3? At most I see we can get up to 9 mana consistently
@@corvoattano6765 Gaea's Cradle, Ancient Tomb, Hedron Archive, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Dreamstone Hedron, Carpet of Flowers (T1)... These are off the top of the dome.
@@LocalGameGroup Oop forgot about acceleration sorry lol
@@LocalGameGroup my guy was free styling
never heard of this game, dont know how i managed to land here and i dont get what the game's about. Help
Don’t worry, you’re safe here. You’re home.
This is hot tbh
Me gusta.
🤌 #GolgariBoi
@@LocalGameGroup yahyeet
Belbe is alot like edric except u get Mana instead of cards
Sometimes, the cards would be nice
How to play a better deck : bring 5k$ to your LGS ... New challenge : win on a budget OR///AND make a graphic on dollar spent per win
Watch “$99 Budget Brawl” episode and note that this is a cEDH channel where money is not an object.
Necro doesn't really care about hullbreacher...
And vice versa, yes.
When does the video start? JFC
🥲
Lavinia decktec pls...
Lavinia 🤔
@@LocalGameGroup love your content gets me tru the day thanks.😆 cedh is fun. i play keranos stax nd lavinia. And naru meha from your deck tech. 🖤🖤🖤
im at 7 minutes and....
Counting?
Just proxy expensive cards
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