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Road Cycling Vlog: Foolish Things
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Road Cycling Vlog: Foolish Things
I've been tinkering again!
A bike fit is not a cheap thing. Its actually quite an investment in you and your cycling. Once you have the correct position worked out all scientifically, the last thing you should be doing is fiddling with the bike.
Well, that is exactly what I have done. Since I bought my Cannondale Synapse road bike back in November I had been having a fair few bike fit issues, so much so that I couple of weeks ago I had After having a professional bike fit done. The new position was pretty good until I swapped over and rode my Trek Madone road bike and the difference was chalk and cheese. The Trek was perfect.
I then got the tape measure out and started to tinker. Probably not the wisest thing to go against the wisdom of a professional bike fitter but if it resulted in the Cannondale fitting me as well as the Trek it would be worth it.
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I liked this video as soon as you said “I’ve done something foolish”... great video!
Hi Leonard,this is a great video. Back in October I suddenly developed a major problem with my right knee. I literally woke up one morning and could not put any weight on it. Being 59 at the time, I thought that this is what getting old must be like? Nearly all of my life I have lifted weights and played tons of ice hockey. Fast forward to late winter, my knee issue improved but still painful after skating. As a TH-cam enthusiast I watch a lot of videos on cycling, nutrition, fitness etc... because I, like you being a heavier cyclist always looking for betterment in my athletic life. I weigh 127 kilos :( (280 lbs). The bright side is I am very strong. To the point, I recently purchased a program from a TH-cam-er after watching and studying copious amounts of his videos.He is legit. Anyhow your knee pain may be due to the fact the since you may only be cycling as a means to fitness your hips, glutes, may need to be trained. And you mentioned mobility, he is very much an advocate. So his regimen encompasses training as an athlete not a singular focus on pushing weights in a gym. If you want the name of this TH-cam-er I would be glad to provide that to you. In the meantime, if you try some body weight squats, lower back hyper extensions, and a good stretching program, I think you might enjoy some relief from knee pain.
Cheers!
Glad to hear you have got your cannondale sorted. Bike positioning can be about trial and error. I have three bikes, each with different geometry and I have got used to the fact that I ride each one differently and each one feels different, which I like. My trek is a long distance endurance racer, comfortable, fast, relaxed stem position; my bianchi is quick, nimble, better suited over shorter distances, has a lower more aggressive stem position; my specialized has a higher stem position, almost sit up and beg, excellent for comfortable all day cruising. I try and use all three bikes regularly, so I am used to them. Each of them feels like an old shoe in their own different way.
I am a recent viewer of your blogs and find them enthralling! Well done. Re the knee trouble I have two observations 1) Have you considered reviewing the axle length you are using? Your knees do appear to swing out on each pedal stroke and I wonder if a slightly longer axle would stop that. 2) Reverting back to using toe clips as an experiment - They give a good range of movement for the foot and would allow you to change the foot/leg position whilst on a ride? Just a thought
Another excellent Video, I might add the Jazz is an excellent an excellent choice for background music!!!!!
Thanks.
Rule of thumb when there is knee pain; Pain in the front of the knee, your seat height from bottom pedal stroke (pedal closest to the ground level) is too low, and Knee pain in the back of the knee means your seat height is too high from bottom pedal stroke.
It just shows how important it is for getting a professional bike fit
Just a cautionary note, if that’s a carbon steerer on those forks then you ideally want to cut the steerer and push the stem cap bung further down the steerer so the stem clamps around the bit with the bung in it.
If it’s clamped below then there is the possibility that the steerer might be damaged and fail.
If you don’t want to cut the steerer, then fit the spacers back in and flip the stem or get one with a greater negative offset to get the bars low enough.
Thanks for the info. I will have to speak to someone about it.
I love cycling it's a true joy but it's not good for a well balanced physique, if we do only cycling then regardless of bike fits, tightness in ligaments, poor flexibility and muscle imbalances are inevitable! It's going to be different for everyone depending on lifestyles and movement patterns but I would invite people who 'only cycle' to experiment and perhaps try a yoga or a pilates class, then it will soon become apparent that cycling fitness is quite specific it's not all round fitness. Age need not have to equal lack of strength flexibility balance or mobility.
Instablaster...
Great videos! I’ve enjoyed them all.
You may have gotten the knee pain sorted out by now but the cleat position dictates the travel of your knees. Once I moved my cleats such that my feet sat in a natural position, it became more comfortable, my knees tracked straight up and down and I also experienced better power transfer.
Knee pain...Could be the amount of float in your road bike cleats.
I use the yellow Shimano cleats...I don't want to be bolted in!
No foolish things whatsoever, friend ;) I'm riding vintage bikes now mainly, being that I live in Tuscany and there are plenty of "races" like the Eroica. You have an Eroica too in GB, right? It's great fun, lots of wonderful people participating. If you need a suitable old bike, there are still plenty of them available out there and prices are very low compared to modern ones. I can suggest brands like De Rosa, Colnago, Benotto, Bianchi, Moser, beautiful examples of glorious times in cycling history. Keep up your great job! You have amazing surroundings and landscape. Different but sure not worse than Tuscany. Saluti
Hi leonard. Again speedplay. Recommend Bob and Brad for knee pain relief plus strengthening exervises.
Excellent, so glad you dialed in the Cannondale. I had a similar situation but when I finally got it dialed in, it became part of me and seems to disappear under me on long rides. You Rock!!
That’s a great way to describe it.
I too have knee issues. I was using the Shimano "yellow" cleats. These cleats have a large lateral movement. I changed them to the "blue" version. Their lateral play is greatly reduced. This in conjunction with proper cleat placement was the key for me. My cleat placement is much different for each leg. My right leg was broken twice and I had the A.C.L. reconstructed twice for that leg. In the end. The right cleat is positioned towards the toe by 5 to 7 centimeters. No more knee pain. Everyone is different. Have a look. Sometimes the most minor adjustment of the cleats will make a huge difference.
Had the exact same problem with my CAAD12 and thought it was just me! Great content and advice as always 👍🏼
Thanks Zeshan.
Glad the Cannondale is improving. I tried something similar with my Mountain bikes and the feel of the one I copied my placements on actually feels better than the original.
well done. glad you sorted it.
Great video. I'm your fan from Juárez city, Mexico
Ya I found out that millimeters matter as well. I’m happy for you that your Cannondale is more comfortable. Video one more time
Glad the fit is getting refined further: small steps in the right direction beats multiple stabs in the dark that put you back a step anyway! It’s a good plan to tackle another 100km ride if you’re feeling game! The science does seem to hold true that the longer endurance fitness needs less frequent attention once it’s been built up, than the shorter stuff. Go for it!
I’m certainly up for another 100!
i had the same problem with my knees and i got some Bike Pedal Spacer Extenders and it solved my knee pain problem....i love them. :-) cheep fix
Glad to hear you're loving the Cannondale due to the new tweeks!
I’m really pleased with it.
Nice vid, Leonard! Keep the spirits up and I hope to see you do another 100km (or miles???) and place is on strava :)
Just rode stage 7 of the tour of Watopia and it was brutal, took me 2 hours 45 minutes, will not ride Alpe d’Huez again. Will ride the flats for my fitness 👍🏻✌🏻
I use platform pedals and the knee pain issue resolved with that. . We don't have good road conditions here and about half our riding is gravel to trail to sort of paved.
I discovered that the up stroke with my foot fixed to the pedal was pulling on my knee was causing pain.
Hi love your vids .started cycling up again after a very long time your a great help with all this info you put on here and myself being 5 ft 1 and rather rounded .clothes are a problem.
Welcome Karen
I ride with all the spacers under my stem. Yup I am getting older :) Nice video as always Leonard!
Thanks Thomas
Tree analogy funny I had my stem flipped over to angle bars lower in addition to removing spacers. You still have that available if needed
That’s definitely worth a try, thanks.
glad you got the canondale fit
Me too!
I’m glad you fixed your own bike. You could always flip your handlebar stem over too to get an extra few mm lower.
"I might just have done something foolish"
COOL!!! This is going to be a great vlog. =)
Oh! That's not foolish. That is way smart. Pretty tickled pink that you've been able to dial in the fit on the Cannondale.
Hope you still enjoyed it. Fiddling with a professional bike fit is pretty foolish.
@@jollygoodvelo I did indeed enjoy it.
Your knee pain is highly likely coming from from your feet perhaps try some wedges inside your shoes under your insoles.
Specialized make a varus wedge this will allow pressure on the ball of your foot and hopefully stop your knees rolling inwards...Do some research leonard you`ll find your way.Happy new year bud.
Thanks but this is a vlog I made a couple of years ago and the problem was sorted with a better position on the bike.
Great example of a problem solved here I thought ! Can’t see any foolishness at all . Love the vids, thank you.
Thanks for watchingz
I had he same problem between my Norco Threshold (daily driver) and my Devinci Silverstone (summer bike). Getting the same fit and feel was tough but worth it. No, neither stem is slammed. I think you're on the right track with cleat angle for your knee pain.
Thanks Norm.
Hi. This is the first of your videos I've watched. Excellent, thanks v much, I've subscribed. I have a Trek Madone too, also 5 years old. I like it, but even after a professional bike fit, it was never quite perfect, still not sure why. On an impulse, I recently bought a Trek Emonda SL6. The bike shop were good but don't do bike fits ("just measure it up to your old bike, it'll be fine"). I also bought new shoes, pedals and cleats from them which , again, they just put on with an estimated position. Lo and behold, with no adjustment, it seems perfect! Like yourself I'm a big fella and I need to lose some pounds. I'm currently training for the Lap the Lough sportive in N Ireland, about 100 miles all told. I've started to get a bit of knee pain so I'd be very interested to hear if you manage to solve yours. Look forward to watching your other videos.
Hi Great video again Can totally relate to this Bought the Synapse in March as a retirement treat (full carbon with Dura Ace) and paid for a professional bike fit Although I've got to say I feel more comfortable on my Specialized Allez (less lower back pain on 70+ mile rides) which I set up myself Might have a look at the measurements on the Specialized and transfer them to the Cannondale in light of your video (I've got a print out of the bike fit if I need to change back) 👍🚴
Bike fit can be very tricky. Hope you manage to sort it.
I used to have knee issues moved to look keo cleats and that slight lateral movement helped
i also love my looks. when i tried shimano 105 5800 i felt too locked in.
on your knee pain just check the seat is perfectly square to the stem even a very very slight few millimetres one way or the other will effect your top leg position and the outcome is most often found in the knee
Thanks Nick, yes, that did occur to me too. I only set the angle by eye so it could easily be out.
One issue with the handlebar positioning is that your Trek has rim brakes whereas Cannondale has Discs - which combined with the mechanical gears makes the lever hood quite long ie. deep.
My last bit of knee pain was solved by getting a new pair of shoes. 1cm smaller as well. My foot had just enough space to shift slightly with each stroke. Not enough to blister or cause foot pain.
I had some foot pain with these shoes when I first bought them but sis ce the bike fit that has sorted itself out.
It looks to me as if one of your knees is closer to the top tube than the other. Quite normal, but in my case I found that turning the cleats on one foot a bit outwards balanced it up a bit, and then my knee pain went away. So I wonder if something similar might help you. The cleat position that gives me most comfort is quite different for each foot, but I expect this is not unusual.
Go for it: 100 km, 62 miles, no problem!
Could come up 10 mil off complete slam and flip that stem for a little more adjustment if needed . The last comment about losing fitness stung me . I bought my mountain cabin and have been working on it and not riding . I did get the 12-30 6700 cassette for my madone New beginnings for this scrawny old vegan ! Cheers .
Thanks for the tip. Good luck with the new cassette.
I also think that even with a good bike fit, it takes several decent rides to get used to a new bike. The overall geometry, tire width, and handlebars can all be a bit different. I rode my new bike for 150 miles before I felt confident with the bike and the fit.
I think they all have an effect.
Knee pain can come from leg position your legs need to be flush with the cross bar if you're legs face out then your knee cap is be but under a lot of strain.
I think it is also important to have the correct saddle height.
Cannondale is quite specific about no spacers, over the stem, I think they accept one 5mm. Just letting you know, for possible warranty issues down the line.
Thanks for the information. That is good to know.
I'm carrying 20kg too much weight and know exactly where my residual knee pain comes from :-) Working on the problem...
I enjoy you music in your videos. What style of music is that?
I’ve heard speed play reduces knee pain significantly!
I have a Cube Attain and a Ribble Audax, both have different settings. But each bike I have set up the higher handlebars, as you say age is the factor, my back cannot take the lower bar position. The other issue I have is getting a comfortable seat, at the moment I'm trawling thru seats trying to find a comfy one! Getting up to 50 mile rides now, I find the bum can get numb around the final 10 miles, is this normal or should I be looking for a further comfy saddle? Target this year is the 100k, so I'm nearly there.
You should look to buy the Shimano ultegra pedals with the 4 mm wider axles. your stance width might be to narrow.
Thanks for the tip.
U can turn ur stem up side down. And lower ur bars more.
Not foolish at all! I'm sure the chap who fitted you knows how to...
But I personally believe that when you tweak things to your needs/liking it feels right in a mysterious way.
I might add that the spacers on top may not be good as the tension of the stem should be backed up underneath by the fork tube tensor... allowing 3_5mm on top then stem position should be 100% backed up for nm-torqueing...
All this is especially important if your top fork tube is 100% carbon...
It certainly does.
At $300 plus, some of use can't afford a professional fitting
Latest studies show its a load of nonsense.
I get pain in my shins, any ideas?
Just curious about your KNEE PAIN: I've been dealing with a left (top) knee pain for > 2 years, since I did a 7 hr. bike ride when I was NOT in shape to do that. I certainly over-exerted myself, and both legs were killing me for some time afterwards. Now, I only feel some pain when I get up from a seated position and when climbing stairs, although not always. The doctor said he found nothing on the X-Ray and attributed the problem to war-and-tear Osteoarthritis. Is this what you have?
Good for you! 😀 Nothing worse than an ill fitting bicycle 🚲 And, what mung bean gave this video a dislike....? I don't get it, I love your videos 🙏🙏🙏
There’s always one. I could literally make a film where I end world hunger, find world peace and home the homeless and someone some where would get offended and give it a thumbs down.
@@jollygoodvelo 😜😜😜 I love your sense of humour! You're right though... There's always one 👍
Turn the stem the other way round, this will reduce the angle its at and lower it !
Thanks for the tip but I think it’s pretty much perfect.
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if you do want to make the bars lower, turn the stem upside down.
He's got a belly which is the reason he won't slam the stem to -17 deg :). Why do that anyway when riding on the hoods all the time? Flexibility has little to do with it, as I can get very low not being particularly flexible either. The trick is to push the hips forward the way tt riders do.
@@82vitt , he stated the bars were higher on the canondale compared to the trek. he is trying to replicate the same fit. by using the stem upside down he may be able to achieve his aim.
Flexibility has little to do with age and everything to do with how much you stretch. This can also effect the angle of your upper leg leading to knee pain.
Thanks for the tip. Have to admit my flexibility is pretty bad.
@@jollygoodvelo I suffer knee pain too, it's a constant battle to stay motivated to stretch and use the foam roller. When I do the pain disappears but then I get lazy and a few weeks later the pain returns.
Watching your ride it appears that your left knee moves away from the bike at the top of the peddle stroke. Your right thigh brushes the top tube. I have no idea if this is important 🤷🏼♂️
I think that happens on all my bikes.
what if you have chronic back hernia injury, is it wrong to ride with headset with full of spacers and also +17 degree & 70 mm handlebar stem? (i.e whole of the spacers are located in underneath of the stem?)
Sorry, that is a little beyond my experience.
Just signed up for the London prudential ride in august. I am fairly large . Any tips ?
Train hard. It’s very easy to underestimate how hard a 100 miler is .
Where did you get your bike fit done, if you don't mind me asking ? was it bike fixers by any chance ?
It was. Steve knows his stuff.
Have you ever tried Castor oil wraps for knee pain?, I have had good luck with it.
Did a doctor suggest that?
Jakob W ,no but did not disapprove.
Those 105 hoods seem long, could that be part of the difference in fit?
It’s because of the hydraulic resovoir for the disk brakes
I see you rub on that fat top tube as well haha! I just got a Ultegra Carbon Synapse and loving it but working out a few little things. I'm younger than you and have my stem height where you did previously, so you got me beat on the flexibility front, and taller is comfy for me so haters gonna hate.
It must be a thing with the Synapse. Yes, the haters will certainly hate. Just ignore them.
Faulty positioning of cleat = one of causes for knee pain, no?
I've always been curious...Why do you needed to fog out the neighbors trash bins?
They'll have house numbers on; he doesn't want people knowing exactly where he (and his bikes) lives.
@@dannyholder1359...I'm in the States, and we buy garbage containers from the big box stores. Thanks for the answer.
Hmmm! One tangential issue that arises from your video is that, having paid for a 'professional bike fit', you felt it necessary to carry out a number of further adjustments. That's quite worrying, isn't it. I've never had one, but I had assumed that a 'professional bike fit' would produce the optimal set, otherwise what is the point? Any illumination much appreciated. Thanks for the interesting video.
That is a very good question. A bike fit aims to adjust the bike so that the critical angles on your body confirm as close as possible to a theoretical ideal. Sometimes that is not possible or if it is, it’s not comfortable. The best possible bike fit is the one that works for you regardless of the theory.
Counting the spacers on the stem to figure out the cyclists age!! ha ha ha! that's great!
Like tree rings.
knee pain. have you got wedges under your cleats????
Not at the moment but we have talked about it.
You seem to be shifted to the left... also: you have too many spacers over your stem. Your compression plug is useless that way
Thanks. Several people have commented saying something similar. Looks like you may have saved me a nasty accident.
I too have knee problems , I am in need of a knee reconstruction , Probably You do too ?
Fortunately for me, my knees seem to be OK.
MY APOLOGIES, I WASN'T AWARE THAT I HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE, HENCE MY ONGOING PUZZLEMENT AS TO YOUR " SHAPE " , I'M NOT BEING DEROGATORY, AS I MYSELF NEED TO LOOSE QUITE A BIT OF WEIGHT/ BODY FAT.
It all boils down to diet. I eat too much of the wrong things. Losing weight is 80% what you eat and only 20% exercise.
Have you been watching the HBO series Chernobyl?
I'm still searching for the foolish thing you did...
Is it possible to get the jersey on the continent?
Be well, Ronny.
It was fiddling around with the position that too ages to set up with the professional bike fit!
I can send you a jersey. Email me for details. leonard@jollygoodvelo.com
I didn’t believe a bike fit was more than just lining up the saddle and jumping on the bike. I went 1.5 years without one thinking my back pain, knee pain, shoulder fatigue, hand numbness, etc., was all part of being a cyclist. Took another cyclist to run me down and suggest I get one cause I didn’t "look right" on my bike. I researched it and got one and it was one of the best investments I made for myself. It’s so dialed in that when a cleat broke and I stopped by a nearby cycling shop, I could tell instantly my foot position was wrong after they replaced it. I ended up calling my bike shop and peddled there to have it adjusted to my measurements. I rode the entire way feeling the knee pain I felt before the fit. I say all this to say, my best guess it is more than likely your cleat position which transitions with you from bike to bike. I’d start with that and/or your foot position inside your shoe which may require some adjustment. Either way, I’m glad you share your experiences, Pro and con cause it’s a reminder for everyone we’re not alone in experiencing them.
You are probably 20kg overweight and for all the years I have been watching your videos you don't seem to have lost any, and that I think is the root cause of your knee issues.