if you want I have a quick 3d print for a cable management comb, something I designed so that the cables maintain the same order throughout the cable chains, also keeps the spindle cable away from the stepper cables by spacing it with the water coolant lines, which is important for EMI :)
Space? What space? You'd need 6ft or more to reduce EMI interference from the spindle cable, let alone the stepper drive wires. What should be done is a common ground point for the shielded cable drains(from every shielded cable). Having shielded cable is pointless if the shield is not grounded. Adding clip-on ferrite are also a good idea. That controller's USB line is very susceptible to interference.
Sorry let me clarify lol think i hit a nerve there...my Stepper cables, limit switch cables, and spindle cables are all double shielded cables of which the source end is grounded to a common ESD drain Rail which drains to a Seperate Earth Grounding Rod... the space I have created is not enough to completely eliminate EMI but every bit you can do is more than doing nothing at all... im not saying the spacing and logical ordering of the cables is enough to reduce EMI completely or even significantly but it is done to ensure that the cables are not twisted together which would create an increased risk for EMI interference. Sorry ADHD brain so I tend to explain things in shorthand sometimes >.
Also see you are running both x and y-axis at 4000mm/min. While I have no problem matching this on the X-axis, I can’t get the Y-Axis to run much beyond 3400mm/min without getting skipped steps and stalling. Considering upgrading to 36v and CNC3D Nighthawk in the hope for more speed, as many have said the xProv5 is the limiting factor. So I guess I am wondering, have you had to dial things back now your using your machine in anger or has it behaved at those max rates?
I was but I ended up with some stall issues so I dialed it back to 3k and about 2100 when cutting most materials that arnt hard woods. I have to double check but I am 90% sure I am 1/16 for steps.
@@sparks-tech cheers for getting back on this. Yes those are much more like the real world speeds I run my machine at too, and are near three max ability of the xProV5 with its inbuilt 24v drivers. I am currently sourcing a 36v PSU, External drivers and Controller and hope to see almost double those speeds once installed.
@@sparks-tech yes I have indeed and external driver version of that & the Root CNC controller. I think this will be my upgrade path with a 36v PSU to realise the speeds that the xPro hasn’t been able to deliver on 👍
I think GSender is a very well rounded option with a good layout and easy to understand interface. My next choice would be OpenBuilds for sender software. I really want to like Commander and I think the support from CNC3D is amazing but I don’t like the interface or workflow.
Sorry I missed this message the messages feature in TH-cam sucks. As far as I am aware there is no wireless MPG support in GSender. There are a few wireless gaming controllers that you can use and my Xbox controller works well. I have used Commander more and I am getting more and more used to it. The community support around Commander is amazing.
How was Van? I went last year. Compared with current images on the net, it has 'changed'... If you get chatter making deeper cuts, I recommend adding vertical angle pieces to the gantry uprights. They are rather thin looking and under load could be a point of flex, especially when traveling in the X. A single piece of 1/2" angle iron would stiffen that up like no tomorrow and not interfere with the Y movement.
Van was great, the weather was very nice to us and held off raining until the travel day. Thanks for the advice the back of the X has a 40x40 profile to help keep things rigid but I was looking at the small 90’ connectors thinking a piece of angle iron might make a better connection between the two. I plan to run it as is and push it a bit and then make videos on any upgrades so I will keep your advice in mind as I move forward.
What is your table size? I've got largest 1.5x1.5m and X gantry has very low torsion rigidity for this size unfortunately. You can push the router bit and it would deflect whole assembly very easy, bit was jumping with slightest speed increase. By default X gantry is C profile and 40x40 square profile at the back which is in the center and therefore gives nothing for the torsion. I ended up using two C profile back to back and additionally two 80x20 profiles above and below these, it now seems that it is more or less acceptable. Next problem is quick wear of screw nuts though :)
My table is 50” wide by 48” deep. I have room on all sides to allow for wall panels if I choose to enclose it at some point in the future. So far my Z is stable with very little deflection when pushing on it but once I get my hose order and get the cooling setup I can do some real world testing.
Note of caution. Mounting on Wood is bad practice. Electricity+flammables = recipe for disaster. Play safe, get a metal enclosure. Besides, that router, no matter how well you make the vacuum system, will produce dust and find its way into the electronics. Keeping them cool and clean, and grounded, is a good thing. Ground the chassis, too. It will make static electricity which can cause sparks through the moving dust.
What size is this? 1000x1000?
Yes this is the 1000x1000 model with about 730x720 cutting size.
if you want I have a quick 3d print for a cable management comb, something I designed so that the cables maintain the same order throughout the cable chains, also keeps the spindle cable away from the stepper cables by spacing it with the water coolant lines, which is important for EMI :)
Nice, yeah send me a link.
Space? What space? You'd need 6ft or more to reduce EMI interference from the spindle cable, let alone the stepper drive wires. What should be done is a common ground point for the shielded cable drains(from every shielded cable). Having shielded cable is pointless if the shield is not grounded. Adding clip-on ferrite are also a good idea. That controller's USB line is very susceptible to interference.
Sorry let me clarify lol think i hit a nerve there...my Stepper cables, limit switch cables, and spindle cables are all double shielded cables of which the source end is grounded to a common ESD drain Rail which drains to a Seperate Earth Grounding Rod... the space I have created is not enough to completely eliminate EMI but every bit you can do is more than doing nothing at all... im not saying the spacing and logical ordering of the cables is enough to reduce EMI completely or even significantly but it is done to ensure that the cables are not twisted together which would create an increased risk for EMI interference. Sorry ADHD brain so I tend to explain things in shorthand sometimes >.
I like the idea of a comb for cable management regardless of the effects on EMI, if you don't mind sharing the file I would love to give it a try.
post us the link mate. would be cool
I have a near identical setup & it has been useful to see your settings. Wondering what your micro-steps are set to 1/8 or 1/16 perhaps?
Also see you are running both x and y-axis at 4000mm/min. While I have no problem matching this on the X-axis, I can’t get the Y-Axis to run much beyond 3400mm/min without getting skipped steps and stalling.
Considering upgrading to 36v and CNC3D Nighthawk in the hope for more speed, as many have said the xProv5 is the limiting factor.
So I guess I am wondering, have you had to dial things back now your using your machine in anger or has it behaved at those max rates?
I was but I ended up with some stall issues so I dialed it back to 3k and about 2100 when cutting most materials that arnt hard woods.
I have to double check but I am 90% sure I am 1/16 for steps.
@@sparks-tech cheers for getting back on this. Yes those are much more like the real world speeds I run my machine at too, and are near three max ability of the xProV5 with its inbuilt 24v drivers. I am currently sourcing a 36v PSU, External drivers and Controller and hope to see almost double those speeds once installed.
@@DatumCAD nice. Have you looked at the Nighthawk controller. It allows for higher PSU’s to be used and travel speeds.
@@sparks-tech yes I have indeed and external driver version of that & the Root CNC controller. I think this will be my upgrade path with a 36v PSU to realise the speeds that the xPro hasn’t been able to deliver on 👍
Good mornin' which intel nook are you using? Going to buy one today. Thank you for this video!!
You’re welcome hopefully it was somewhat helpful.
I am using a NUC7i5BNH, so a 7th Gen i5 CPU Nic with 16 GB of ram.
im having a problem with my y axis stepper motor wont lock just turns freely. any help would appreciated
Can you send me some pictures of how you have it wired?
you tested commander meanwhole or any other software you liked more then gsender in comparison?
I think GSender is a very well rounded option with a good layout and easy to understand interface.
My next choice would be OpenBuilds for sender software. I really want to like Commander and I think the support from CNC3D is amazing but I don’t like the interface or workflow.
@@sparks-tech a nice + for commander is that now you can connect a wireless MPG. Is there a MPG Option for Gsender?
Sorry I missed this message the messages feature in TH-cam sucks.
As far as I am aware there is no wireless MPG support in GSender. There are a few wireless gaming controllers that you can use and my Xbox controller works well.
I have used Commander more and I am getting more and more used to it. The community support around Commander is amazing.
How was Van? I went last year. Compared with current images on the net, it has 'changed'...
If you get chatter making deeper cuts, I recommend adding vertical angle pieces to the gantry uprights. They are rather thin looking and under load could be a point of flex, especially when traveling in the X. A single piece of 1/2" angle iron would stiffen that up like no tomorrow and not interfere with the Y movement.
Van was great, the weather was very nice to us and held off raining until the travel day.
Thanks for the advice the back of the X has a 40x40 profile to help keep things rigid but I was looking at the small 90’ connectors thinking a piece of angle iron might make a better connection between the two.
I plan to run it as is and push it a bit and then make videos on any upgrades so I will keep your advice in mind as I move forward.
Limit switches NO or NC?
I am using the NC firmware on my X5 and so far so good.
@@sparks-tech One more question. How do we tram the spindle on these? Looks a bit fiddly with the 90 degree brackets.
What is your table size? I've got largest 1.5x1.5m and X gantry has very low torsion rigidity for this size unfortunately. You can push the router bit and it would deflect whole assembly very easy, bit was jumping with slightest speed increase. By default X gantry is C profile and 40x40 square profile at the back which is in the center and therefore gives nothing for the torsion. I ended up using two C profile back to back and additionally two 80x20 profiles above and below these, it now seems that it is more or less acceptable. Next problem is quick wear of screw nuts though :)
My table is 50” wide by 48” deep. I have room on all sides to allow for wall panels if I choose to enclose it at some point in the future.
So far my Z is stable with very little deflection when pushing on it but once I get my hose order and get the cooling setup I can do some real world testing.
hi nice job . can you send me the VFD wiring to the controller plan, Thanks
I posted a follow up video with documentation on how I connected it. It’s in the playlist for the Ultimate Bee list.
Ultimate Bee H100 Spindle to xPro V5
th-cam.com/video/U_34-v9G8O8/w-d-xo.html
Note of caution. Mounting on Wood is bad practice. Electricity+flammables = recipe for disaster. Play safe, get a metal enclosure. Besides, that router, no matter how well you make the vacuum system, will produce dust and find its way into the electronics. Keeping them cool and clean, and grounded, is a good thing. Ground the chassis, too. It will make static electricity which can cause sparks through the moving dust.
Fair advice I will take a look at some other mounting options in the future.