Great info! I have over 150 hours on a front soft Nitromousse and it looks brand new but has shrunk a lot. It was once a little too firm in my preferred tire, but now it is way too soft. Changed to a smaller tire and kept using it though.
I run Nitromousse front and rear with a Golden Fatty on on the front and a regalar Golden rear. I love it, seem to take forever for my front rim to seat on the bead but the grip I have is epic and I just blast through rocks and rock climbs haha. I have the Platinums not the Plushie. mine are like 10-12psi on an FE350. Good vid, happy to see they should last me a good while. Only got about 60 hrs on them so far.
I pulled a Michelin bib out of my front tire with about 50 hours and it looks brand new. Only pulled it because I swapped in tubes for dual sport trip with some highway riding. The shop that put it in for me originally really lubed it really well and I think that is key to bib longevity.
Interesting information... I've never tried a mousse, mostly because I didn't want to like them, then have to pay the high cost almost every tire change.
10 standard tubes for the coat of a mousse, at least 5 HD tubes... Unless you're racing and literally cannot have punctures they're a horrible value proposition.
If you are in the mountains 25 miles from your truck and get a flat a mousse will look like a good investment. To fix the flat you need to carry all the tools, a spare tube and a pump or air canister to inflate the tube. Not something I want to have to worry about.
In my old Husky I ran front & rear TuBliss until I had catastrophic loss of air on the front happen twice(the last time on an asphalt section 😐). After that I went to a UHD tube up front, kept the Tubliss in the rear. This year I bought a KTM XCw, I ran the stock setup for a bit then changed over to UHD tubes . This is working for now, but here in NE terrain I really liked that low psi in the rear.
I've tried the Nitromousse Softie in the 325 size. Here in Europe we only use 140/80-18 FIM tires for extreme enduro. It worked very well when new, but as it reached 100 hours, cornering was impossible. It shrunk quite a bit and wouldn't hold a Shinko 216SX on the bead, which is smaller than the Michelin Enduro Medium I normally use. Mousse was always taken care of - properly lubed and when ran on pavement never went too fast. I rate these very well, but the with the 100 hours and shrinkage it was just too soft for my liking. Michelin BIB's have better longevity, but are hard as rocks when new. Not hating on Nuetech, but Nitromousses are just rebranded China made mousses. Don't believe me? Google OTOM mousse. It's the same. No hate for Nuetech, I've run Tubliss for years and it was perfect. Nitromousse's performance when new is also very good, but it hurts when a company uses marketing to promote a product like it's the best thing out there. Airmousse also uses the same China manufacturer for their mousses. So next time you get a mousse, check carefully, you might be getting the same product for a higher price.
@@PNWEnduro There are a lot of good alternatives out there now. Metzeler mousses also come in various hardness, but might be hard and expensive to find in the US. X-GRIP just got a distributor in the US, CPD Direct. They are made in Austria. Mitas mousses are also good, but the case might be the same as the Metzelers. There is a really cool Italian mousse called Speedy Mousse. Very small company, the owner worked for Goldentyre for years. Each mousse is hand made and vaccuum sealed in a bag and have a very big offer of mousses. Only available in Europe I'm afraid :(
If your mousse shrinks you can always cut a piece out of another mousse and run that in your tire as well. It's fairly common practice and will allow you to run your mousses longer (Edit: this is actually shown in the video, now that I've watched further). You can also save the mousse and use it for extreme riding. I rode with Trystan Hart and he demoed how to change a tire. His mousse was actually torn in 2 and had chunks missing from such extensive use. He ran 3 rimlocks in the back, and the tire did not sit on the bead, but he said with 3 rimlocks it doesn't slip and gives him significantly better traction. Mind you we rode hard enduro, and he did hit some enduro cross as well. Definitely not an ideal setup for faster harescramble riding, but a worthy use for a worn mousse.
I started running the Nitro Mousse last tire change. I do the Mousse front Tubeless rear combo. I don't know what it is but I got more front flats in the last 6 months than in over 20 years of riding.
@@PNWEnduro Good point!! I'm now rolling on Bridgestone X40 front and rear. My bike is a 2012 Beta 498 carbed. I came across your channel after looking at the Sherco 300 at a local dealer. My last 300 was a 05 KTM 300exc I bought new for racing desert. Those days of "hard enduro" are long past. At 62 years old I'm looking at both the Sherco and Beta 300's.
Great video. I run a Michelin in my rear tire I have 215 hours on. How do you lube the mousse? I use the Schrader valve and inject the Lubin through there every 10 or 20 hours. That works great.
@@LuckyNikitaBoba Because the faster you go, the faster the moose wears. So if you’re doing a lot of transfer sections at 50 mph maybe I would not use a moose.
Great video! I too get over 100 hours on a Nitro Mousse. When I pull mine out, I still have tons of lube on them. Yours looked fairly dry. Is it just the video or do you not use tons of lube? I go a bit overboard with mine. I lube the bib and the inside of the tire.
I like the vx30 way more than the m59, works better and lasts longer. I haven’t tried the x31 simply because I like the vx30 and I can’t justify paying $30-40 more for the x31.
Hi man in first sorry for my english but i gonna be happy if u understand me. My question is , how often do u lube mousse ? Whats the maintance of having mousse ? I jesť that u need all time lube it with gel , like whats the intervals please . Thx so much for respond
What's the max temp where you guys ride? Nitro's last a tire in the SW area. At what hr did you add the wedge? If you had to add a wedge then the mousse didn't last.
I've done plenty of road time while in Death Valley doing stretches of 30-40 miles @ 75mph and have had zero problems. I have over a year on my current nitro mousse setup and no plans of swapping them any time soon. I left air valve installed and removed the valve core so I have a port to inject lube ocassionally. Zero issues
Do you run two rim locks? Im also thinking of running the soft nitro in the from. I accidentally road around with next to no air in my front and had excellent control on rocks. Do you think this would be a smart move?
You should consider adding a mousse with the inner section cut down so it fits in the front tire along with the tubliss. This saved me when the inner tube pinch flatted on my front tire with tubliss. Tire was at 12psi, inner tube 110, and it still flatted. The cut down mousse inside made it no big deal to ride out. Ditched tubliss for mousses after that and loving it.
The problem with mousse is they’re expensive, they’re a real challenge to install, and even harder to install the bead locks. Here in rocky north eastern Ontario me and my friends run heavy duty tubes and 12 psi rear and 14 psi front, and in seven years and four big WR 450’s and countless thousands of gnarly rocky terrain I have never had a pinch flat. Never had a flat, period. I think for those guys that race competitively they might have benefits but for the average trail rider I don’t think the benefits are worth the installation hassle. Just sayin.
A tube at 12 psi will not have nearly as good of traction as a mousse that feels like 4 psi. With a rabaconda a mousse is easier to install/remove than a tube and if I’m getting well over 200 engine hours on a mousse the cost is not much at all. I do prefer the feel of air but never having to worry about a flat when I’m 40km from my truck is worth the trade off.
Mousse is the way. I can run one set of mousse for two years and multiple tire swaps. No Rabaconda, just a manul tire stand with levers. Technique is everything. I would never never go back to tubes and I do plenty of road miles on my 501. I will never worry about dealing with a flat or carrying tire change tools in the middle of the desert. I can also ride twisty roads and highway with no issues. I just always run stiff sidewall tires, as that is what I prefer, any way.
I ride with people who carry their own tools and tubes to fix any flats. They always teach “self sufficient “ . I on the other hand can’t fix a flat to save my life. I also don’t want to be “that guy”. I hate to carry extra tools especially tire spoons and other in order to fix my flats. Is Mousse the only solution ? I don’t want to be that guy. When I’m riding confident, I love hitting small rocks to get air. I’m asking to get a pinch flat .
Mousses are the only guaranteed no flat solution. You could run Tubliss but they can still get a flat, you can ride it out if needed with less chance of damaging your rim compared to a flat with tubes.
Great info! I have over 150 hours on a front soft Nitromousse and it looks brand new but has shrunk a lot. It was once a little too firm in my preferred tire, but now it is way too soft. Changed to a smaller tire and kept using it though.
I run Nitromousse front and rear with a Golden Fatty on on the front and a regalar Golden rear. I love it, seem to take forever for my front rim to seat on the bead but the grip I have is epic and I just blast through rocks and rock climbs haha. I have the Platinums not the Plushie. mine are like 10-12psi on an FE350. Good vid, happy to see they should last me a good while. Only got about 60 hrs on them so far.
I pulled a Michelin bib out of my front tire with about 50 hours and it looks brand new. Only pulled it because I swapped in tubes for dual sport trip with some highway riding. The shop that put it in for me originally really lubed it really well and I think that is key to bib longevity.
Great video! I heavily lube the bib and the inside of the tire and I get equal life out of them.
I am impressed that the mousse held up so well though you obviously don't lube it much.
Interesting information... I've never tried a mousse, mostly because I didn't want to like them, then have to pay the high cost almost every tire change.
10 standard tubes for the coat of a mousse, at least 5 HD tubes... Unless you're racing and literally cannot have punctures they're a horrible value proposition.
If you are in the mountains 25 miles from your truck and get a flat a mousse will look like a good investment. To fix the flat you need to carry all the tools, a spare tube and a pump or air canister to inflate the tube. Not something I want to have to worry about.
@@PNWEnduro Been there, fixed several, doesn't bother me enough to justify the cost. I can see the value of it from your perspective, though.
In my old Husky I ran front & rear TuBliss until I had catastrophic loss of air on the front happen twice(the last time on an asphalt section 😐). After that I went to a UHD tube up front, kept the Tubliss in the rear. This year I bought a KTM XCw, I ran the stock setup for a bit then changed over to UHD tubes . This is working for now, but here in NE terrain I really liked that low psi in the rear.
@@painsridesWhat caused the Tubliss failure?
Literally the reason i haven't bought one i keep hearing 30h but hell if i get a 100 id be stoked
I've tried the Nitromousse Softie in the 325 size. Here in Europe we only use 140/80-18 FIM tires for extreme enduro. It worked very well when new, but as it reached 100 hours, cornering was impossible. It shrunk quite a bit and wouldn't hold a Shinko 216SX on the bead, which is smaller than the Michelin Enduro Medium I normally use. Mousse was always taken care of - properly lubed and when ran on pavement never went too fast.
I rate these very well, but the with the 100 hours and shrinkage it was just too soft for my liking. Michelin BIB's have better longevity, but are hard as rocks when new.
Not hating on Nuetech, but Nitromousses are just rebranded China made mousses. Don't believe me? Google OTOM mousse. It's the same. No hate for Nuetech, I've run Tubliss for years and it was perfect. Nitromousse's performance when new is also very good, but it hurts when a company uses marketing to promote a product like it's the best thing out there. Airmousse also uses the same China manufacturer for their mousses. So next time you get a mousse, check carefully, you might be getting the same product for a higher price.
Good info. Lots of tire company's are starting to sell mousses now. I wonder how many of those come from the same place.
@@PNWEnduro There are a lot of good alternatives out there now. Metzeler mousses also come in various hardness, but might be hard and expensive to find in the US. X-GRIP just got a distributor in the US, CPD Direct. They are made in Austria. Mitas mousses are also good, but the case might be the same as the Metzelers. There is a really cool Italian mousse called Speedy Mousse. Very small company, the owner worked for Goldentyre for years. Each mousse is hand made and vaccuum sealed in a bag and have a very big offer of mousses. Only available in Europe I'm afraid :(
If your mousse shrinks you can always cut a piece out of another mousse and run that in your tire as well. It's fairly common practice and will allow you to run your mousses longer (Edit: this is actually shown in the video, now that I've watched further). You can also save the mousse and use it for extreme riding. I rode with Trystan Hart and he demoed how to change a tire. His mousse was actually torn in 2 and had chunks missing from such extensive use. He ran 3 rimlocks in the back, and the tire did not sit on the bead, but he said with 3 rimlocks it doesn't slip and gives him significantly better traction. Mind you we rode hard enduro, and he did hit some enduro cross as well. Definitely not an ideal setup for faster harescramble riding, but a worthy use for a worn mousse.
I started running the Nitro Mousse last tire change. I do the Mousse front Tubeless rear combo. I don't know what it is but I got more front flats in the last 6 months than in over 20 years of riding.
You may have been using a front tire with too soft of a sidewall.
@@PNWEnduro Good point!! I'm now rolling on Bridgestone X40 front and rear. My bike is a 2012 Beta 498 carbed. I came across your channel after looking at the Sherco 300 at a local dealer. My last 300 was a 05 KTM 300exc I bought new for racing desert. Those days of "hard enduro" are long past. At 62 years old I'm looking at both the Sherco and Beta 300's.
Great video. I run a Michelin in my rear tire I have 215 hours on. How do you lube the mousse? I use the Schrader valve and inject the Lubin through there every 10 or 20 hours. That works great.
I only lube them at tire changes.
How many tires do you change out tires after 200 + hours.
Change rear tire around every 30 hours so probably 8-10 tires so far.
I agree much longer wear than 20hrs trail riding (CO front range). Maybe if you're in a hot climate doing MX it'd be a bit shorter...
How would mx cause it to wear faster? I don’t know anything about mouses.
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Because the faster you go, the faster the moose wears. So if you’re doing a lot of transfer sections at 50 mph maybe I would not use a moose.
so what psi Range mousse you rocking in the front and rear? Ive seen 8 psi and 12. Im illiterate when it comes to the metrics of softness.
Front srt mousse equivalent to 12 pi’s new, it’s more like 10 now. Rear soft nitromousse is 6-8 new, more like 3-4 now.
Great video! I too get over 100 hours on a Nitro Mousse. When I pull mine out, I still have tons of lube on them. Yours looked fairly dry. Is it just the video or do you not use tons of lube? I go a bit overboard with mine. I lube the bib and the inside of the tire.
I thought I lubed them pretty good but maybe I need to start using more.
What are you using for Lube at tire changes? Nitro mousse gel or something like Murphys tire soap?
Nitromousse gel.
Great video is this the plush version that you bought new? Really enjoy your videos.
Plush, I've had a few of them now.
off topic but how do you like the vx30 front tire ive strictly ran the m59 or battlecross x31 and was wondering how the vx30 compares?
I like the vx30 way more than the m59, works better and lasts longer. I haven’t tried the x31 simply because I like the vx30 and I can’t justify paying $30-40 more for the x31.
@@PNWEnduro i guess thats my next front tire then thank you
Hi man in first sorry for my english but i gonna be happy if u understand me. My question is , how often do u lube mousse ? Whats the maintance of having mousse ? I jesť that u need all time lube it with gel , like whats the intervals please . Thx so much for respond
I just lube the mousse when I do a tire change, so around 30-35 hours.
@@PNWEnduro Okay thanks man
What's the max temp where you guys ride? Nitro's last a tire in the SW area. At what hr did you add the wedge? If you had to add a wedge then the mousse didn't last.
Max temperature I'll ride in is around 30-32c. The wedge was added around 170 hours.
Any input on quick 50-55mph jaunts down paved roads on mousses? I’d love to run them but a lot of Michigan riding involves paved transfer sections
They are not the best for paved transfer sections, they will get hot and degrade faster.
@@PNWEnduroDamn! I do a lot of 100 miles dual sport rides. About 20 miles are on pavement.
@@LuckyNikitaBobaI know a guy that claims he runs front & rear mousse and does 15 mile Hwy sections all the time. Says he gets 2 tires per mousse.
@@ThisTallclaims, if he can prove it, then it’s not true.. I won’t run any mousse for that reason. Heat kills them. Tubeless better
I've done plenty of road time while in Death Valley doing stretches of 30-40 miles @ 75mph and have had zero problems. I have over a year on my current nitro mousse setup and no plans of swapping them any time soon. I left air valve installed and removed the valve core so I have a port to inject lube ocassionally. Zero issues
You ran the soft mouse 6-8psi for 200hrs? I was considering the 10-12psi. My buddy says it’s stiff at first but lasts longer.
Yes, the soft mousse. Still running it today. I don't recommend the standard mousse on the rear.
@@PNWEnduro How come?
Too hard on the rear, less traction and more deflection.
@@PNWEnduro Do you ever have issues with the tire coming off the rim as the mousse loses its inflated state?
Do you run two rim locks? Im also thinking of running the soft nitro in the from. I accidentally road around with next to no air in my front and had excellent control on rocks. Do you think this would be a smart move?
Only one rim lock, never had a problem. I originally had a soft in the front as well. I liked it but if became too soft too quickly.
Maybe it missed it. How often/what Lube are you using on the mousse?
Nitromousse brand lube. Re-lube at every tire change.
The mousse balls look good too but the price is ridiculous. If they come down near the nitro mousse I'll probably try them
Yes, I'm curious about those as well.
I got a set of rear mousse balls on sale. I’m trying them out now. I would be stoked if they lasted 200 hours.
I've been running a set. So far so good. Only about 20 hours in and still feel brand new.
Am I crazy or is that mousse completely dry???
Yeah I think I'll stick with the tubless.
You should consider adding a mousse with the inner section cut down so it fits in the front tire along with the tubliss. This saved me when the inner tube pinch flatted on my front tire with tubliss. Tire was at 12psi, inner tube 110, and it still flatted. The cut down mousse inside made it no big deal to ride out. Ditched tubliss for mousses after that and loving it.
The problem with mousse is they’re expensive, they’re a real challenge to install, and even harder to install the bead locks. Here in rocky north eastern Ontario me and my friends run heavy duty tubes and 12 psi rear and 14 psi front, and in seven years and four big WR 450’s and countless thousands of gnarly rocky terrain I have never had a pinch flat. Never had a flat, period. I think for those guys that race competitively they might have benefits but for the average trail rider I don’t think the benefits are worth the installation hassle. Just sayin.
A tube at 12 psi will not have nearly as good of traction as a mousse that feels like 4 psi. With a rabaconda a mousse is easier to install/remove than a tube and if I’m getting well over 200 engine hours on a mousse the cost is not much at all. I do prefer the feel of air but never having to worry about a flat when I’m 40km from my truck is worth the trade off.
Mousse is the way. I can run one set of mousse for two years and multiple tire swaps. No Rabaconda, just a manul tire stand with levers. Technique is everything. I would never never go back to tubes and I do plenty of road miles on my 501. I will never worry about dealing with a flat or carrying tire change tools in the middle of the desert. I can also ride twisty roads and highway with no issues. I just always run stiff sidewall tires, as that is what I prefer, any way.
Where is your assembly lube? Should be all slimy with lube.
I lubed after filming before I installed it in the new tire.
@@PNWEnduro when I remove mine, they are still slimy, yours should be the same or they degrade much quicker. You may want to use a lot more.
I ride with people who carry their own tools and tubes to fix any flats. They always teach “self sufficient “ . I on the other hand can’t fix a flat to save my life. I also don’t want to be “that guy”. I hate to carry extra tools especially tire spoons and other in order to fix my flats. Is Mousse the only solution ? I don’t want to be that guy. When I’m riding confident, I love hitting small rocks to get air. I’m asking to get a pinch flat .
Mousses are the only guaranteed no flat solution. You could run Tubliss but they can still get a flat, you can ride it out if needed with less chance of damaging your rim compared to a flat with tubes.