I appreciate how respectful everyone has been in the comments! Thanks for engaging and sharing your own thoughts on this "issue"! One last thing I want to say about this Kickstarter is that QT is, in fact, playable (at the time of writing this comment). As such, the devs have revealed the next, previously hidden, stretch goal. For $260K they'll add a secret boss fight... Unless this fight is going to be incredibly animation intensive and borderline "cinematic", there's no way that adding it should be a stretch goal THAT high. Not only that, but...this is basically a Sonic game. Is anyone really clamoring for a Boss? Rollin' Rascal is focused on 3D platforming and high-speed action - gameplay that doesn't easily allow for a fun and engaging boss fight. I'm not saying it's impossible, but just not easy to pull off.
Just noticed your new comment here. So I'll give my opinions about bosses in Sonic games. Well I gotta be honest, me & other Sonic fans don't normally see eye to eye on this topic. I LOVE boss battles in games in general, including on Sonic games.Fact is I argue it is the reason in lore why you are even there typically. In these kinda games the character is on an adventure to stop the villains, not just to run around random locations for the hell of it. Personally I play games for the intended narrative experience.
I play games for a similar reason too - the narrative. That being said, I usually want my narrative to be told to me THROUGH gameplay and not just through exposition or whatever. I'm playing a video game, not reading a book or watching a movie. For me...Sonic bosses are meh at best (and usually really bad) but I can see why some people like them. I just don't like how Sonic's moveset in both 2D and 3D are about making forward progress and doing it quickly, but usually bosses are static enemies that have a certain pattern. You end up waiting around for the bosses to expose a weakness of some sort and rinse and repeat. The Sonic Frontiers bosses are great examples of good bosses though!
@@crossflux971 Maybe ironic to say but I don't find Frontiers or the Unleashed Werehog bosses to be good examples of boss battles when it comes to the gameplay. I like using the physics based gameplay to attack the enemies in a semi-pinball style combat. Battling by using a ton of fancy fighting game moves is kinda boring to me. I also gotta be honest by saying I don't relate to the hate for "needing to wait to hit something" style bosses... you don't see that being a big deal with fans on other platformers, yet it is a big sin with Sonic for some reason? Neh, I don't feel it, I like battles that require little strategy instead of merely hitting the boss tons quickly to nuke it.
spark 3 gave a secret boss fight for free funny enough so did freedom planet 2 which were appropriate considering they`re style of gameplay i just dont see it with rascal.
@fumetsusozo I like boss fights that aren't a different style than the rest of the game. So like, in Sonic, you're constantly on the move. So a good sonic boss should let you stay on the move. A boss should be a test of certain mechanics. That's my take at least.
I find it strange that Q.T. had her own separate stretch goal for changing her colour, like what if the game only made 200k? you can colour Rascal but not Q.T.? also why was she so high in price? i feel she shoulda been a lower goal, but perhaps she was so high to entice people to pledge the money?
That's what I'm thinking. Having the Color Customizer be a separate goal for her seems a little...eh to me. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, however, and say that since QT has different patterns of color on her model, perhaps she did need a unique customizer in order to apply the colors to her model.
Had a similar chat some days ago with a friend on these subjects. I'll just comment on the playable Q.T goal as it stood out the most to me. As you said her design & model are already clearly finished, which means there is only few things left to consider they need to work on. Unless they are planning to give her unique gameplay... which I highly doubt... otherwise she most likely will be little more then a reskin for her brother, with maybe a bonus skill on her if lucky. Meaning they mostly only need to work on her playable animations... also my own experience as a game dev tells me that character reskins are pretty easy to make. So when you consider all of that... then her absurdly high price goal number is probably just bait for extra money.
So it seems that they DID reach the QT goal and some of my misgivings were confirmed (while others were disproven). The Devs have said that she's to have unique gameplay mechanics - so that's good! However, she'll play the same as Rascal in multiplayer stuff... Regardless, one singular character with a few exclusive abilities doesn't warrant a stretch goal 4x the size of the minimum asking price of going through with the project, itself.
@@crossflux971 Oh I didn't hear they reached her goal! Guess I should had checked today. Well good to hear she isn't just a reskin... But yeah it is still like you said, a single extra playable character shouldn't cost anywhere near the number they asked for... the only thing that could get close to being worth that amount would be if she had her own separate storymode with unique dialog & bosses, ETC. If they are doing anything even close to all of that, then I have nothing to really complain about.
I would hope she'd get the same treatment as Rascal in that regard - unique outfits and animations that make her feel like her own character and not just a palette swap,@RSLVXILD
I don't mean to come across as "holier then thou". Just because I study game design and am currently working on a project of my own, that doesn't make my opinion any more valid than someone else's. Just a different point of view.
@@crossflux971 Oh don't get me wrong I agree with your points it just makes me really think about what I would want to do when I ever get to the KickStarter part of any of my games I would want to make the tiers as fair as I can.
@OhBeeBumbles Same here. The consumers don't need to know/ care how much time and effort goes into the project from my side. So when I do s kickstarter, I need to price things from their side of things. If I were to want to back the game, myself, what would seem fair?
Indeed. Not only that, but they're supposed to be adding a color customizer in the base game. So you can already change Rascal's base colors. If these skins are special, then that most likely means the customizer will be a bit lacking.
I’ll agree that some of the prices of the rewards are questionable and a lot of the stretch goals are kind of underwhelming, but I think that’s a combination of them being realistic on what they believe they can deliver and trying to raise as much as they can for the project. In the end a kickstarters job is to secure funding and entice people, so while it would be shitty to sell skins at that price for a full release, I don’t see issue with offering it as an incentive even if I personally wouldn’t pay that much for it. I also think it’s likely QT was put so high not because of how difficult it would be, but because they know people want it and to give them something desirable to aim for. Lastly most of the rewards like early builds, designing things for the game , and costumes are commonplace for kickstarter projects. I don’t think your wrong to be put off by how the kickstarters been handled, I’ve had some similar thoughts as it went on, but a lot of the criticisms in the video can apply to most kickstarter games. Maybe I’m giving more credit and benefit of the doubt then I should, who knows.
I totally get you. I definitely don't get the feeling that Curiomstic are trying to scam people or anything like that. I know that they're just trying to get as much money as they can, but I still see their methods are scummy. If a triple A company did the same things they're doing, people would be calling them out. I just don't see why a small indie team should be exempt from criticisms.
I’ll buy the game, but I’m not gonna back it. Kickstarter never gave Michael Superbacker his Air Umbrella, and I still don’t support the website. I said I would never use Kickstarter again, and I still won’t.
I don't know if I agree about QT, but that's mainly because of a lack of the Kickstarter's clarity. Yes they do have the 3D model and have her in the game, but we also don't know how different they are planning to make her mechanically from Rascal. While it's possible that she's literally just the same as Rascal with different animations, (in which case, I agree with you) she seems to have her own personality, so for all I know she could have a completely different moveset, physics and/or skins for multiplayer, and that would take additional time and resources to develop, code and test. I would help if they could be more clear on what they intend for the playability of the character. When it comes to making your own NPC, level, etc. I can understanding charging so much for it. If I were to have somebody I don't know pop in and tell me to put things in my game, I wouldn't want to do it unless they were paying me a lot for it. The unreasonably high price is probably to make sure that they get AT BEST one or two people on board for it and don't find themselves swamped in requests, in which case they're basically just doing commission work. So not liking the idea of it or thinking it's a fair price is natural. I agree about the other stuff though and I don't mean to overly defend the project. I haven't backed it because I'm crazy broke right now (but even if I wasn't, probably would have just gotten the standard edition for a digital copy of the game at best), and I don't really understand the business of kickstarter or costs of development (My local currency isn't the dollar). But this was just my uninformed take on it. I have hobbiest experience in game design and that's about it.
I totally see what you mean with the "help develop things". Not being swamped with all the requests is something to consider. As I said in the video, I would never consider having a tier like this for one of my own games, but if the devs are OK with some community involvement that's one way of handling it.
@@crossflux971 I wouldn't do it myself either, but I've seen it happen before. It was a tier for Undertale's kickstarter too, and its why that game has that one secret boss that is MIRED in controversy, as well as that Spider boss (of whom I have forgotten the name of but has that really cool song) - and it's an excellent example of both the best and worst case scenario that comes from somebody paying to make a character in your game. But the thing about Rolling Rascal is that it is very clearly targeted towards the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, which is a very passionate community who deeply want Sega to listen to them about the franchise's direction and love making fan games, mods and OCs. From an advertising standpoint it is probably in Rolling Rascals best interest to put out indication that they'd be happy with a fan's creative input, even if 99% of fans don't want to/can't pay through the nose to make it happen. Though I may also be over thinking it at this point!😬
I could see that. But if they wanted to limit the pool, why not just put everyone who backed the game into a roulette in order to randomly select them?
People who are paying for that tier aren't real beta testers. People who beta test professional have technical training to use dev tools and methods to find bugs. They are expected to repetitively test all aspects of a game for weeks. This idea that "tHeY shOUlD bE pAYiNg yOU" is ridiculous because have "beta access" and being a "beta tester" are two very different things. Yes the kickstarter does use the phrase "beta tester", but that's just an honorary title. What they mean is you get access to development builds which you're free to play at your leisure. With all that being said, the skins thing is weird af. Especially since those skins are just basic textures they could've made in an hour. $10 for each is crazy. But it's hard to be mad because no one's being forced to pay for anything they don't want to.
True. Beta testing is a real profession. But the devs are using it as a title to attract more people into paying for it. I'd almost go as far to say as it's ego-stroking.
@@crossflux971 How is it attracting? If anything, all it's done is generate malice with videos like yours. You seem to think there's some deep meaning to this, when in reality the tier descriptions were probably written by some tech-illiterate social media manager that wasn't putting that much thought into it.
@@Yellow_Plus_Red"This idea that "tHeY shOUlD bE pAYiNg yOU" is ridiculous because have "beta access" and being a "beta tester" are two very different things."
usually on ks they lock an alpha build behind a mid level backing tier or as an ad on from $30-$100, but rascal already has a super solid demo so they had to call it "beta tester" to be more appealing. But even then the prices are absolutely ludicrous. Those skins are easily hackible cause they are in the game, would've tossed em $5 for one just to help support the game but Ill just hack em in now.
I should have done a little more looking into that "beta tester" part. That was my fault. I still think my point stands, though. I agree with you. I wouldn't mind throwing a few bucks at them for some color swaps just to help out the devs a bit. But the prices they're asking for is too much.
@@crossflux971 also they added custom rascal colors to the demo. You're probably right that qt is already to go and it was just taken out to make into a stretch goal, along with probably many others
My issues looking at the kickstarter is the costume stretch goals and why they're so far apart from each other. Maybe outit pack 1, another their, then outfit pack 2, but instead outfit back 2 is 7 stretch goals lower in the 225K where the 100K was-- I know the first tier is just Rascal and it would cost more to make outfits with QT aswell. I just think theres strange priorities in the order of what money their reaches what. And while secret boss sounds cool I kind expect to be in the main game. That might just be me. Maybe if the game does really well they can put those extra stretch goals in via patches in the future. I do see this game being a success
Update: They revealed in a Kickstarter post that every colour swap skin will be exclusive to the Kickstarter. I hope that doesn’t last long because those prices were awful.
@AKablalik That's pretty messed up. I already hate kickstarter exclusivity nonsense. I'm just looking forward to modders being able to add all these things in for free. I feel bad for console players though.
?? you do know a lot of wip games you have to pay to become a beta tester...why would they hand out free pre release versions of the game, That they will constantly receive as well? As well as them getting a digital sound track, painted figure, and artbook as well. You don't have to pay for beta tester because you're not missing out on anything. Its just there for people who have the money to spare and for those who want to play the game sooner. It's 100% fine for it to be there and thats what the demo is there for, to give you a small taste of the game to come. there would be no point to a demo if there was a FREE beta version of the game it just isnt logical, and makes it seem like you just want beta tester, but dont want to pay the extreme amount of money. (no offense to anything if I did come off offensive. Just my true thoughts)
Although my main point is still that I think the Beta test should be available for all backers who at least bought the base game, but even still. If they wanted to charge more for the special privilege, the price is too outrageous. The soundtrack and art book are paltry for their prices too (since you'd be able to find all this stuff for free just days after the release) - and the figure doesn't appeal to everyone.
That is sorta a warped point of view. I am a game dev myself, and from what I know typically other devs don't give out betas just as early copies for fans to feel special... Being a beta tester means it is their job to help report any problems the game may have while it is still under development. Which means if it costs money to be a tester, then you are paying to do work in that case... which is worse then somebody trying to get free labor. It is a bit abuse of power to make outsiders pay to help work on their games.
I have seen many card games, board games, etc, that seem to have a fine balance, but video games seem to have the biggest swing of any kickstarters i have seen. (This is just my personal experience)
This is similar to my experience too. I think a lot of people still don't know what goes in to making certain aspects of games, and so developers can kinda use that to...not really "trick", per se, but use those certain aspects to get more money. That's just my take. I don't mean to sound like I'm accusing the Rascal devs of being up to no good or anything like that.
@crossflux971 Yeah, I think video games are such high roller in terms of development so sometimes I think they try to roll costs high to try to make as much back from the minimum of interest instead of low costing to try and draw more interest. However, usually, when I see really bad pricing points for stuff like this, it sours my interest.
$150 for color swaps, I pay to work for you.... AND there's a chance this flops???? For a community driven game these dudes taxing like apple. Man I almost forgot about $400 dollars for a game that likely won't cost $60. 🙉
ummmm idk if you know this but most projects you do need to pay to be a Bata tester it is a vary common practice in Indy games with a kick starter or patreon sooo yeah that part seemed a bit weird also what do you think the demo is for the demo is the add
I completely understand why it seems like a weird point to bring up. I've backed plenty of projects before and I know the Beta Tester thing is a common practice - I just disagree with it. Also, if the Demo is meant to be the "beta test" then why even include the tier at all if the demo is to remain free for everyone?
@@crossflux971 I asked them on TikTok why they decided to port it to switch and is it because it’s easier to publish or something. They said No, it’s actually the hardest and they chose switch because it “has the most players” I’m not a game dev but that’s sound kinda dumb to me. I’ve asked about ps5 and Xbox in the future but they just ignore those comments now. 🤷
@@crossflux971 That's.. not a yeesh? Porting is incredibly expensive and takes a hell of a lot more for each additional console. PC and switch feel like perfect and natural first homes for a game of this type.
@@skylarkblue1 I see your point. Porting a game can get funky when it comes to optimizing (even if Rascal is made in something like Unity). However, if they choose to Port later, they could use the profits from their earlier sales to offset the development costs. It would all be dependent on if the devs think the amount of money they'd make from PS and Xbox sales to be worth it.
In the case of Q.T. going off the dev's previous work, Sonic GT, they likely would make Q.T. play very differently from Rascal. This means not only drafting a toolkit and animating it, but also designing levels that play to the strengths of both characters. I get where you're coming from, but from this perspective, I believe you made an oversight.
The toolkit, I can get on board with. As for animations, the Devs already showed quite a few of them off once her stretch goal was reached. Basically proving that they didn't need to "develop" them - they were already made ahead of time and they were simply gatekeeping QT in order to get more money out of the community. Also, even if she plays differently from Rascal, they've also stated that she'll function identical to him in Multiplayer stages since they're afraid it'll cause an imbalance in competitive fairness.
I appreciate how respectful everyone has been in the comments! Thanks for engaging and sharing your own thoughts on this "issue"!
One last thing I want to say about this Kickstarter is that QT is, in fact, playable (at the time of writing this comment). As such, the devs have revealed the next, previously hidden, stretch goal. For $260K they'll add a secret boss fight...
Unless this fight is going to be incredibly animation intensive and borderline "cinematic", there's no way that adding it should be a stretch goal THAT high. Not only that, but...this is basically a Sonic game. Is anyone really clamoring for a Boss? Rollin' Rascal is focused on 3D platforming and high-speed action - gameplay that doesn't easily allow for a fun and engaging boss fight. I'm not saying it's impossible, but just not easy to pull off.
Just noticed your new comment here. So I'll give my opinions about bosses in Sonic games. Well I gotta be honest, me & other Sonic fans don't normally see eye to eye on this topic. I LOVE boss battles in games in general, including on Sonic games.Fact is I argue it is the reason in lore why you are even there typically. In these kinda games the character is on an adventure to stop the villains, not just to run around random locations for the hell of it. Personally I play games for the intended narrative experience.
I play games for a similar reason too - the narrative. That being said, I usually want my narrative to be told to me THROUGH gameplay and not just through exposition or whatever. I'm playing a video game, not reading a book or watching a movie.
For me...Sonic bosses are meh at best (and usually really bad) but I can see why some people like them. I just don't like how Sonic's moveset in both 2D and 3D are about making forward progress and doing it quickly, but usually bosses are static enemies that have a certain pattern. You end up waiting around for the bosses to expose a weakness of some sort and rinse and repeat.
The Sonic Frontiers bosses are great examples of good bosses though!
@@crossflux971 Maybe ironic to say but I don't find Frontiers or the Unleashed Werehog bosses to be good examples of boss battles when it comes to the gameplay. I like using the physics based gameplay to attack the enemies in a semi-pinball style combat. Battling by using a ton of fancy fighting game moves is kinda boring to me. I also gotta be honest by saying I don't relate to the hate for "needing to wait to hit something" style bosses... you don't see that being a big deal with fans on other platformers, yet it is a big sin with Sonic for some reason? Neh, I don't feel it, I like battles that require little strategy instead of merely hitting the boss tons quickly to nuke it.
spark 3 gave a secret boss fight for free funny enough so did freedom planet 2 which were appropriate considering they`re style of gameplay i just dont see it with rascal.
@fumetsusozo I like boss fights that aren't a different style than the rest of the game. So like, in Sonic, you're constantly on the move. So a good sonic boss should let you stay on the move. A boss should be a test of certain mechanics.
That's my take at least.
I find it strange that Q.T. had her own separate stretch goal for changing her colour, like what if the game only made 200k? you can colour Rascal but not Q.T.? also why was she so high in price? i feel she shoulda been a lower goal, but perhaps she was so high to entice people to pledge the money?
That's what I'm thinking. Having the Color Customizer be a separate goal for her seems a little...eh to me. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, however, and say that since QT has different patterns of color on her model, perhaps she did need a unique customizer in order to apply the colors to her model.
theyre girlbaiting us
yeah I would rather have something else but my guess is they''re made based on whats easier to make
My biggest issue was that it was 50$ for name in credits which is kinda absurd
I’m paying $25 and I’ll have my name in the credits?
@@spades-slickI think they changed it after a while, because I remember it not being included in the lower tiers at first.
Had a similar chat some days ago with a friend on these subjects. I'll just comment on the playable Q.T goal as it stood out the most to me. As you said her design & model are already clearly finished, which means there is only few things left to consider they need to work on. Unless they are planning to give her unique gameplay... which I highly doubt... otherwise she most likely will be little more then a reskin for her brother, with maybe a bonus skill on her if lucky. Meaning they mostly only need to work on her playable animations... also my own experience as a game dev tells me that character reskins are pretty easy to make. So when you consider all of that... then her absurdly high price goal number is probably just bait for extra money.
So it seems that they DID reach the QT goal and some of my misgivings were confirmed (while others were disproven). The Devs have said that she's to have unique gameplay mechanics - so that's good! However, she'll play the same as Rascal in multiplayer stuff...
Regardless, one singular character with a few exclusive abilities doesn't warrant a stretch goal 4x the size of the minimum asking price of going through with the project, itself.
@@crossflux971 Oh I didn't hear they reached her goal! Guess I should had checked today. Well good to hear she isn't just a reskin... But yeah it is still like you said, a single extra playable character shouldn't cost anywhere near the number they asked for... the only thing that could get close to being worth that amount would be if she had her own separate storymode with unique dialog & bosses, ETC. If they are doing anything even close to all of that, then I have nothing to really complain about.
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I would hope she'd get the same treatment as Rascal in that regard - unique outfits and animations that make her feel like her own character and not just a palette swap,@RSLVXILD
Yeah I did kinda find it strange how they got QT as a stretch goal. I hope they take the criticism as someone who also want to be a Game Dev
I don't mean to come across as "holier then thou". Just because I study game design and am currently working on a project of my own, that doesn't make my opinion any more valid than someone else's. Just a different point of view.
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Oh don't get me wrong I agree with your points it just makes me really think about what I would want to do when I ever get to the KickStarter part of any of my games I would want to make the tiers as fair as I can.
@OhBeeBumbles Same here. The consumers don't need to know/ care how much time and effort goes into the project from my side. So when I do s kickstarter, I need to price things from their side of things. If I were to want to back the game, myself, what would seem fair?
Remember when character skins were things that you could unlock and only required currency acquired through gameplay?
Like how BOTW does?
Indeed. Not only that, but they're supposed to be adding a color customizer in the base game. So you can already change Rascal's base colors. If these skins are special, then that most likely means the customizer will be a bit lacking.
I’ll agree that some of the prices of the rewards are questionable and a lot of the stretch goals are kind of underwhelming, but I think that’s a combination of them being realistic on what they believe they can deliver and trying to raise as much as they can for the project. In the end a kickstarters job is to secure funding and entice people, so while it would be shitty to sell skins at that price for a full release, I don’t see issue with offering it as an incentive even if I personally wouldn’t pay that much for it. I also think it’s likely QT was put so high not because of how difficult it would be, but because they know people want it and to give them something desirable to aim for. Lastly most of the rewards like early builds, designing things for the game , and costumes are commonplace for kickstarter projects. I don’t think your wrong to be put off by how the kickstarters been handled, I’ve had some similar thoughts as it went on, but a lot of the criticisms in the video can apply to most kickstarter games. Maybe I’m giving more credit and benefit of the doubt then I should, who knows.
I totally get you. I definitely don't get the feeling that Curiomstic are trying to scam people or anything like that. I know that they're just trying to get as much money as they can, but I still see their methods are scummy. If a triple A company did the same things they're doing, people would be calling them out. I just don't see why a small indie team should be exempt from criticisms.
Paying isnt the issue, but $400 to be a BETA TESTER is wild LMAOOOO.
I’ll buy the game, but I’m not gonna back it. Kickstarter never gave Michael Superbacker his Air Umbrella, and I still don’t support the website. I said I would never use Kickstarter again, and I still won’t.
I don't know if I agree about QT, but that's mainly because of a lack of the Kickstarter's clarity. Yes they do have the 3D model and have her in the game, but we also don't know how different they are planning to make her mechanically from Rascal. While it's possible that she's literally just the same as Rascal with different animations, (in which case, I agree with you) she seems to have her own personality, so for all I know she could have a completely different moveset, physics and/or skins for multiplayer, and that would take additional time and resources to develop, code and test. I would help if they could be more clear on what they intend for the playability of the character.
When it comes to making your own NPC, level, etc. I can understanding charging so much for it. If I were to have somebody I don't know pop in and tell me to put things in my game, I wouldn't want to do it unless they were paying me a lot for it. The unreasonably high price is probably to make sure that they get AT BEST one or two people on board for it and don't find themselves swamped in requests, in which case they're basically just doing commission work. So not liking the idea of it or thinking it's a fair price is natural.
I agree about the other stuff though and I don't mean to overly defend the project. I haven't backed it because I'm crazy broke right now (but even if I wasn't, probably would have just gotten the standard edition for a digital copy of the game at best), and I don't really understand the business of kickstarter or costs of development (My local currency isn't the dollar). But this was just my uninformed take on it. I have hobbiest experience in game design and that's about it.
I totally see what you mean with the "help develop things". Not being swamped with all the requests is something to consider. As I said in the video, I would never consider having a tier like this for one of my own games, but if the devs are OK with some community involvement that's one way of handling it.
@@crossflux971 I wouldn't do it myself either, but I've seen it happen before. It was a tier for Undertale's kickstarter too, and its why that game has that one secret boss that is MIRED in controversy, as well as that Spider boss (of whom I have forgotten the name of but has that really cool song) - and it's an excellent example of both the best and worst case scenario that comes from somebody paying to make a character in your game.
But the thing about Rolling Rascal is that it is very clearly targeted towards the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, which is a very passionate community who deeply want Sega to listen to them about the franchise's direction and love making fan games, mods and OCs. From an advertising standpoint it is probably in Rolling Rascals best interest to put out indication that they'd be happy with a fan's creative input, even if 99% of fans don't want to/can't pay through the nose to make it happen. Though I may also be over thinking it at this point!😬
You have a good point. I can totally see this being good or bad in the end. I really hope it turns out well.@@larkison9140
i think its $400 for beta testing mainly to get a smaller test pool, discourage people some.
It does come with other items on top of that, idk
I could see that. But if they wanted to limit the pool, why not just put everyone who backed the game into a roulette in order to randomly select them?
@@crossflux971 neat idea
People who are paying for that tier aren't real beta testers. People who beta test professional have technical training to use dev tools and methods to find bugs. They are expected to repetitively test all aspects of a game for weeks. This idea that "tHeY shOUlD bE pAYiNg yOU" is ridiculous because have "beta access" and being a "beta tester" are two very different things.
Yes the kickstarter does use the phrase "beta tester", but that's just an honorary title. What they mean is you get access to development builds which you're free to play at your leisure.
With all that being said, the skins thing is weird af. Especially since those skins are just basic textures they could've made in an hour. $10 for each is crazy. But it's hard to be mad because no one's being forced to pay for anything they don't want to.
Don't people normally beta test as a job?
@@Austin-kt7kyI don't understand how your statement has anything to do with what I just said.
True. Beta testing is a real profession. But the devs are using it as a title to attract more people into paying for it. I'd almost go as far to say as it's ego-stroking.
@@crossflux971 How is it attracting? If anything, all it's done is generate malice with videos like yours. You seem to think there's some deep meaning to this, when in reality the tier descriptions were probably written by some tech-illiterate social media manager that wasn't putting that much thought into it.
@@Yellow_Plus_Red"This idea that "tHeY shOUlD bE pAYiNg yOU" is ridiculous because have "beta access" and being a "beta tester" are two very different things."
usually on ks they lock an alpha build behind a mid level backing tier or as an ad on from $30-$100, but rascal already has a super solid demo so they had to call it "beta tester" to be more appealing. But even then the prices are absolutely ludicrous. Those skins are easily hackible cause they are in the game, would've tossed em $5 for one just to help support the game but Ill just hack em in now.
I should have done a little more looking into that "beta tester" part. That was my fault.
I still think my point stands, though. I agree with you. I wouldn't mind throwing a few bucks at them for some color swaps just to help out the devs a bit. But the prices they're asking for is too much.
@@crossflux971 also they added custom rascal colors to the demo. You're probably right that qt is already to go and it was just taken out to make into a stretch goal, along with probably many others
My issues looking at the kickstarter is the costume stretch goals and why they're so far apart from each other. Maybe outit pack 1, another their, then outfit pack 2, but instead outfit back 2 is 7 stretch goals lower in the 225K where the 100K was-- I know the first tier is just Rascal and it would cost more to make outfits with QT aswell. I just think theres strange priorities in the order of what money their reaches what. And while secret boss sounds cool I kind expect to be in the main game. That might just be me. Maybe if the game does really well they can put those extra stretch goals in via patches in the future. I do see this game being a success
Update: They revealed in a Kickstarter post that every colour swap skin will be exclusive to the Kickstarter. I hope that doesn’t last long because those prices were awful.
@AKablalik That's pretty messed up. I already hate kickstarter exclusivity nonsense. I'm just looking forward to modders being able to add all these things in for free. I feel bad for console players though.
?? you do know a lot of wip games you have to pay to become a beta tester...why would they hand out free pre release versions of the game, That they will constantly receive as well? As well as them getting a digital sound track, painted figure, and artbook as well. You don't have to pay for beta tester because you're not missing out on anything. Its just there for people who have the money to spare and for those who want to play the game sooner. It's 100% fine for it to be there and thats what the demo is there for, to give you a small taste of the game to come. there would be no point to a demo if there was a FREE beta version of the game it just isnt logical, and makes it seem like you just want beta tester, but dont want to pay the extreme amount of money. (no offense to anything if I did come off offensive. Just my true thoughts)
Although my main point is still that I think the Beta test should be available for all backers who at least bought the base game, but even still. If they wanted to charge more for the special privilege, the price is too outrageous. The soundtrack and art book are paltry for their prices too (since you'd be able to find all this stuff for free just days after the release) - and the figure doesn't appeal to everyone.
That is sorta a warped point of view. I am a game dev myself, and from what I know typically other devs don't give out betas just as early copies for fans to feel special... Being a beta tester means it is their job to help report any problems the game may have while it is still under development. Which means if it costs money to be a tester, then you are paying to do work in that case... which is worse then somebody trying to get free labor. It is a bit abuse of power to make outsiders pay to help work on their games.
I have seen many card games, board games, etc, that seem to have a fine balance, but video games seem to have the biggest swing of any kickstarters i have seen. (This is just my personal experience)
This is similar to my experience too. I think a lot of people still don't know what goes in to making certain aspects of games, and so developers can kinda use that to...not really "trick", per se, but use those certain aspects to get more money. That's just my take.
I don't mean to sound like I'm accusing the Rascal devs of being up to no good or anything like that.
@crossflux971 Yeah, I think video games are such high roller in terms of development so sometimes I think they try to roll costs high to try to make as much back from the minimum of interest instead of low costing to try and draw more interest. However, usually, when I see really bad pricing points for stuff like this, it sours my interest.
$150 for color swaps, I pay to work for you.... AND there's a chance this flops???? For a community driven game these dudes taxing like apple. Man I almost forgot about $400 dollars for a game that likely won't cost $60. 🙉
ummmm idk if you know this but most projects you do need to pay to be a Bata tester it is a vary common practice in Indy games with a kick starter or patreon sooo yeah that part seemed a bit weird also what do you think the demo is for the demo is the add
I completely understand why it seems like a weird point to bring up. I've backed plenty of projects before and I know the Beta Tester thing is a common practice - I just disagree with it.
Also, if the Demo is meant to be the "beta test" then why even include the tier at all if the demo is to remain free for everyone?
Pay for beta is common now. but most of the time it is for maybe 100 bucks
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THE CURSE OF OMORI AND FUNKIN CONTINUES
I don’t think you know how kickstarters work bro 🤣
I was gonna donate to this game but they said it’ll only be on pc and switch so I gotta pass
Yeesh. I didn't know that. Maybe if the demand is high enough, they'll port it later
@@crossflux971 I asked them on TikTok why they decided to port it to switch and is it because it’s easier to publish or something. They said No, it’s actually the hardest and they chose switch because it “has the most players” I’m not a game dev but that’s sound kinda dumb to me. I’ve asked about ps5 and Xbox in the future but they just ignore those comments now. 🤷
You play PlayStation or Xbox?
@@crossflux971 That's.. not a yeesh? Porting is incredibly expensive and takes a hell of a lot more for each additional console. PC and switch feel like perfect and natural first homes for a game of this type.
@@skylarkblue1 I see your point. Porting a game can get funky when it comes to optimizing (even if Rascal is made in something like Unity). However, if they choose to Port later, they could use the profits from their earlier sales to offset the development costs. It would all be dependent on if the devs think the amount of money they'd make from PS and Xbox sales to be worth it.
In the case of Q.T. going off the dev's previous work, Sonic GT, they likely would make Q.T. play very differently from Rascal. This means not only drafting a toolkit and animating it, but also designing levels that play to the strengths of both characters.
I get where you're coming from, but from this perspective, I believe you made an oversight.
The toolkit, I can get on board with. As for animations, the Devs already showed quite a few of them off once her stretch goal was reached. Basically proving that they didn't need to "develop" them - they were already made ahead of time and they were simply gatekeeping QT in order to get more money out of the community.
Also, even if she plays differently from Rascal, they've also stated that she'll function identical to him in Multiplayer stages since they're afraid it'll cause an imbalance in competitive fairness.
@crossflux971 I see... Yeah, that sucks :/