The only C64 cart you will ever need?! - SuperCPU, REU, FloppyEmu - Turbo Chameleon 64 V2 -
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I'm more of a fan of the Ultimate 1541 which does most things the Chameleon does expect for the SuperCPU. The Chameleon is just too much for my needs and much more expensive then the U1541.
In the end I want to extend my old C64 and not "replace" it by a powerful device like the Chameleon.
Thanks for your video! I'd love to see super CPU games, there were a few shoot'em ups and I heard that the test drive I and II games ran smoother on super CPU
Nice video as always - thx a lot! Since I am interested in both solutions and they are in a similar price range, I would be interested in a comparison between Gideon's Ultimate64 Elite board and the Turbo Chameleon. What are the differences and which solution is better for whom?
I have one, hardly ever used it though :D
The wiki says at least some variant of this was released in 2011. I wonder if there is something wrong with your cartridge that produces the extreme SD card problems because I'd hope they would have any SD card problems in the firmware fixed by now. Or did one of their recent firmware/core updates break it?
I actually talked to them and they pretty much said every card should work except for the mini cards with the adapters. Maybe I was just unlucky. It works now, but I was about to send it back. The other thing, that the TC2 won't start without a C64 may be my own fault. I might have to put the C64 core on there ... we will see in part 2.
Cool! I have a question thou. Is the Chamelon just using the C64 power and keyboard and processing all data in its own core?
@@TheMcflyster Since I did not put the C64 core on there … which is why the thing wouldn‘t start in cart only mode … the answer is: it uses the real C64.
If you disable the feature to copy ROMs from the 64 it would have probably worked in cart mode. The TC takes over the duties of the 6510 and will run off its own ROM images. The VIC writes are just duplicated to the VGA piece, like its just snooping the registers sort of like the ultisid does on the UII+. I don't think it even uses the C64 clock. So yes, the C64 is basically a power supply and keyboard with I/O still available to run legacy hardware accessories.
I really don't see the point in having additional hardware specs on the Commodore 64. E.g. a faster processor, the whole point is to play games exactly as they were on the original hardware, if you want power just use a more modern computer. The most I'd do is use a 1541 floppy drive emulator that loads from SSD, but it would still be nice to have a real 1541 floppy drive too.
Maybe I missed it, but I see that the TC supports Turbo speeds, however where does it actually emulate an actual CMD SuperCPU? If it does, can you see about demonstrating it with something that requires the SuperCPU such as the SuperCPU Kicks demo, or even Metal Dust? As well, it would be interesting to see where you can set the memory for the SuperCPU ram (which is different than simply a large ram REU cart). Thanks!
That’s not correct. When running the TC64 FPGA core as a c64 expansion cartridge, it’s simulating(replicating) a turbo 6510 CPU. It’s not simulating the 16bit CPU (WDC 65C816S) that was used in the SuperCPU accelerator. Metal Dust is programmed to run on that CPU, not a regular 6510.
From the iComp product page:
“Turbo function with full 6510 processor compatibility (this includes all illegal opcodes!). For the first time, a C64 accelerator does not use a 16-bit processor, but an accelerated 6510. The "Synthmark" benchmark shows that the TC64 is even faster than the former champion, the SuperCPU (TC64 scores factor 9.78, the SCPU scores 5.48). Especially applications like Geos or Pagefox gain a lot of improved usability from this speed increase.”
@@bruce_just_ I figured it didn't. Obviously the TH-cam video name is misleading as it does not do SuperCPU regrettably.
@@bobreid4858 Yeah, it's more like hitting the 2mhz register on a 128 in 64 mode.
Maybe it could accelerate GEOS enough to make it more usable.
Kinda late, I‘d say. I got mine on release, like 13 years ago.
This gives 679 on a standard c64.
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Perhaps see how much faster things run that way.
The answer is 35!!!
Don’t see the point of such a cartridge. It has nothing to do with a C64. You could just as well rip the motherboard out of your C64 and put a Raspberry Pi with a C64 emulator in it. It can do the same and more probably.
Unless you want to use the Userport to connect something like the old Fischertechnik interface, you are right.
It uses all the hardware in the C64 except the CPU and the RAM. Video comes from the original VIC2, sound comes from the original SID, original keyboard and joystick ports work. So what is the problem here?
The FPGA includes VIC2, SID, keyboard, joystick and even mouse emulation. If you connect the cadrige to a C64, you can use the internal components in paralel. So except for the User-Port (and Datasette) the cadrige can do everything without any original C64. So "it uses all the hardware in the C64 exept..." is a bit backwards. It does not use all the hardware, it just can controll the hardware, using it as I/Os in parallel to the integrated ones in the FPGA.
A "normal" cartridge is used by the C64. This cartridge optionally uses the C64, but does not even need it (exept if you want a user port or connect orginal floppy drives or datasette).
It´s not about bad or good, it´s just a different philosopical approch. Many people into Retro Computing like to use the original C64 hardware, and expand it. The Chameleon is a very nice hardware - but more than an expansion. It can replace most of the C64 hardware. You do not even need the C64.
@@oleurgast730 The fact remains that SID, VIC etc. are used, only the 6510 and the RAM aren‘t. Each of those chips is normally controlled by the internal 6510. With the TC connected they are controlled from there. That‘s the same with the CMD SuperCPU, and I hear nobody complain about it there. The fact that the Chameleon has a standalone mode doesn‘t change the other facts. The fact that there are emulations of SID, VIC etc. running in parallel on that FPGA won‘t change that you use mostly original hardware if you use the C64‘s video and sound outputs, plugging joysticks into the C64‘s ports and use the C64 keyboard. Nobody forces you to connect a VGA monitor or use the internal floppy emulation.
You forgot the Flash 8. It has a bad reputation, but I used it for years. Combined with a BBGRAM 2 MB, I had 3 MB in GEOS, enough for two RAM 1581. A CMD HD and a real 1581 made the system complete. Working with an 8 MHz GEOS system was a dream. Completely stable, with the original power supply. My Flash 8 is now working with 9 MHz and got a fast EEPROM instead of the slow original EPROM.
If you want midi then this is not the only cart you will ever need.
However, price is insane.
Ladies? That's not very nice.
Thanks for the video. I actually have two TC64 V2s myself. Why? Because I must have them :)
I see your reasoning there!
@@RetroWK Looking forward to more videos from you about the TC64 V2 😊
and then we remove this in the trashcan😂