This is excellent. Waltz is one of the more thoughtful actors in Hollywood, partly I am sure because he was raised in Vienna. Makes a very nice analogy to musical performance, the acting metaphor.
"Your capacity for intensity" says Daniel Barenboim, is a key to how you play a piece of music. Christoph Waltz echoes that sentiment as you must separate yourself from the part and create the character. What a fascinating dialogue between two masters of their crafts, who it is obvious, deeply respect the other's genius.
ha ha - this conversation reminded me of something the great actor, Christopher Lee, said about being able to tell when an actor is acting as if they are admiring their own acting in a mirror
Wonderful to hear artists touch on the nature of the experience and process of artistic realization. Still left wondering how the hell they do it though.
Maestro Barenboim I so love your interpretation of the Prelude of Lohnegrin from La Scala 2012 (available on youtube) - I find it brings out a revolutionary quality in the music that I never heard before, as though it is drawing on the slow movement of the Schubert Quintet almost, and at the same time looking forward into the next century. It is so raw and new-sounding in this performance. When you talk about the 'shock of the first time', it seems so relevant here. I would love a 5 minute video on this amazing piece. Many thanks.
I am a singer, so acting and music are intertwined. I realize some instrumentalists don't think singers a real musicians. They are entitled to their opinions but I'm entitled to my own.
A very intersting talk. In my opinion, interpretation and performance of a piece of music or a character is equally difficult. In both cases, the source is ink on paper. A written text or score is exact enough to be reproduced, of course, up to the extend the author or composer considered necessary to led written. Then, in both cases, the artist must find the right tempo, dynamics, articulation, and proper body expression to bring the written text into life. How long or how loud this B flat, or this "Hello". This requires a personal approach, as Waltz said, which naturally should evolve from an humble and respectful knowledge of the work. I think that, at the end the artist is the means, so he will always offer a personal view of the piece or character, up to his understanding of the ideas of the composer or author
Barenboim does wear a lot of upright collars. He makes some interesting sartorial choices! I've seen rather unusual jackets in his "5 Minutes On.." and in various interviews/videos (eg, the thread on each buttonhole of the sleeve vent was a different color, or unusual fabric). Just part of his genius, I guess! I've noticed too: he tends to really slouch when he's sitting in a chair. Gotta be comfy.
Christopher doesn't really get it in some parts... when he says the musician can't get in the way of the music (Lang Lang cough) and many others also about that you "can't play that you like the 2nd movement of a Beethoven sonata" oh yes you can.. but if you milk it you ruin it
you can do a lot of things, but the outcome will depend on it. I really like you mentioning lang lang cause I can't stand him for that. I myself had that problem when studying piano. I would get into it too mccuh. I woud play forte when I felt it was correct, or drag the tempo, or accent differently, on a few occasions I even changed the text if nobody would notice. But that pleases myself only, and only in that very moment. Luckily later on I got a great piano teacher who managed to reign me in while harvesting my impulse. So I started following the text, but in my performances I would use my impulse according to the text (a bit hard to explain in words). End result? I felt happier because the first impulse is not always correct, just as Daniel said here, so I enjoed my performances more, other people enjoyed them more, and aftermath was also more enjoyable, both for me and the audience. So I completely agree with Daniel that you need a right combination of modesty, for the purposes of following the piece how it is meant to be, and self confidence, to express yourself and mae it your own in the free space that is available.
@@StrangerPage lol. You contradicted yourself too much. Btw. You have to reach to a level to think like Lang Lang. I m not here to defend him. But he’s on top of the hill. You won’t understand him until you r on that. Ppl saying MJ is a A hole. A tyrant. Unless you won 6 rings then u understand why he did all those things.
Music is always about the musician. Without the musician, the music is silent and is just notes on a page. Music was made for the musician, not the other way around. Tell a virtuoso that it is about the music and he will tell you 'not on your life!' The music is there to showcase his talents. I was a musician so I know what I am talking about. It was always all about me. Me... me... me!
I as a musician, only partly agree with that. I am but a tool to express the divine wisdom and universa: emotions through my skills. As Bach said: solo Deo Gloria.
great interview but i still have some hard time putting my feelings aside in order to "serve" the piano masterpiece i am playing.. why is it considered 'wrong' to simply absorb the essence of a piece and then share it through the unique channel that is "you"? it is like asking Chopin to play a Mozart like a Mozart. Chopin can only play Chopin...whatever piece he plays..
art heart That is exactly the reason why famous composers turn to composition because they know how to play themselves the best, Chopin would most likely agree with Barenboim's point of view. There was once an occasion that Franz Liszt was playing Chopin's nocturne, however Chopin did not like Liszt adding unneeded embellishments, Chopin was displeased with Liszt boldness. Also Chopin was a great admirer of Mozart and I'm certain Chopin would try and play Mozart pieces as faithfully as possible.
Chopin1995 thanks for your reply. i dono Gould enough.. but he is certainly not the only example. I think of Lang Lang also. You may like him or not, but personally, i admire his freedom and playfulness. He dares to transform a piece and take it to his own world and makes it a unique song.
shadowjuan2 yes :) a perfect example that illustrates what we're discussing here. Playing a piece is like a love affair. You first get to know and explore your beloved's body and personality. (=the piece content and character). then, either you stick to the rules and make love to your beloved in a very "academic" or "orthodox" way, through the missionary position. Or you go wild and dare to speak your love in new ways, new creative position, following your own unique feelings. What makes your way of loving unique. I tried to express it the best way i could. Hope it makes sense :)
art heart Yes that makes sense, but often following your heart and not what the composer intended is forsaking music. No amateur will ever have the deep understanding and musicality that Beethoven or Mozart had, take as an example Barenboim who has perfected the art of playing Beethoven, Barenboim doesn't play Beethoven with his soul in mind but with Beethoven's very own soul, that's why it sounds so damn good when he plays Beethoven. Listen to what the grandmasters of music tell you, the heart is very misleading a lot of times and that's specially if you are not prepared to play a piece of work, this I have learned the hard way. If you pay careful attention most of the times the best interpreters of music are those who are most faithful and loyal to what the composer intended, that includes Barenboim, Richter, Sokolov, Rubinstein. The only exception is Glenn Gould but even Gould always acted in sake of the music and he was always careful not to mix his emotions with the music.
Schön zu sehen dass Herr Waltz nicht immer die egozentrische Diva raushängen lässt. Leider schon bei einigen TV Auftritten erlebt. Da war er mir richtig unsympathisch! Wenn er sich auf Augenhöhe behandelt fühlt und sein Gegenüber respektiert, dann kann doch ein sehr fruchtbares Gespräch entstehen. Vielen Dank!
This is excellent. Waltz is one of the more thoughtful actors in Hollywood, partly I am sure because he was raised in Vienna. Makes a very nice analogy to musical performance, the acting metaphor.
Love the fact that this actor really thinks about things. So many actors don't.
How many in-depth interviews, like this, have you seen with other actors? 🤔
They are mostly subject to stupid five-minute promotion interviews...
It's who they are, like a boxer is to be a boxer not a philosophy
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"Your capacity for intensity" says Daniel Barenboim, is a key to how you play a piece of music. Christoph Waltz echoes that sentiment as you must separate yourself from the part and create the character. What a fascinating dialogue between two masters of their crafts, who it is obvious, deeply respect the other's genius.
ha ha - this conversation reminded me of something the great actor, Christopher Lee, said about being able to tell when an actor is acting as if they are admiring their own acting in a mirror
Wow. That's a great comparison!
Wonderful to hear artists touch on the nature of the experience and process of artistic realization. Still left wondering how the hell they do it though.
I'm in love with these series!
Muchas gracias. Siempre es interesante atravesar las barreras de la interdisciplinariedad.
Maestro Barenboim I so love your interpretation of the Prelude of Lohnegrin from La Scala 2012 (available on youtube) - I find it brings out a revolutionary quality in the music that I never heard before, as though it is drawing on the slow movement of the Schubert Quintet almost, and at the same time looking forward into the next century. It is so raw and new-sounding in this performance. When you talk about the 'shock of the first time', it seems so relevant here. I would love a 5 minute video on this amazing piece. Many thanks.
I am a singer, so acting and music are intertwined. I realize some instrumentalists don't think singers a real musicians. They are entitled to their opinions but I'm entitled to my own.
This is really great.
great video I've subscribed to you keep up the great work
Bedenk es wohl, wir werden's nicht vergessen.
A very intersting talk. In my opinion, interpretation and performance of a piece of music or a character is equally difficult. In both cases, the source is ink on paper. A written text or score is exact enough to be reproduced, of course, up to the extend the author or composer considered necessary to led written. Then, in both cases, the artist must find the right tempo, dynamics, articulation, and proper body expression to bring the written text into life. How long or how loud this B flat, or this "Hello". This requires a personal approach, as Waltz said, which naturally should evolve from an humble and respectful knowledge of the work. I think that, at the end the artist is the means, so he will always offer a personal view of the piece or character, up to his understanding of the ideas of the composer or author
Interesantiiisimo !!!
I have a question: what do you think of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould regarding his interpretations for Bach, Beethoven and Brahms?
Upright collar for ever!
Barenboim does wear a lot of upright collars. He makes some interesting sartorial choices! I've seen rather unusual jackets in his "5 Minutes On.." and in various interviews/videos (eg, the thread on each buttonhole of the sleeve vent was a different color, or unusual fabric). Just part of his genius, I guess! I've noticed too: he tends to really slouch when he's sitting in a chair. Gotta be comfy.
Check out Barenboim's jacket in the "Parallels & Paradoxes" with Till Bronner, it's made out some really crazy (knit?) fabric!
Muy buen video maestro
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Amazing
Christopher doesn't really get it in some parts... when he says the musician can't get in the way of the music (Lang Lang cough) and many others also about that you "can't play that you like the 2nd movement of a Beethoven sonata" oh yes you can.. but if you milk it you ruin it
you can do a lot of things, but the outcome will depend on it. I really like you mentioning lang lang cause I can't stand him for that. I myself had that problem when studying piano. I would get into it too mccuh. I woud play forte when I felt it was correct, or drag the tempo, or accent differently, on a few occasions I even changed the text if nobody would notice. But that pleases myself only, and only in that very moment. Luckily later on I got a great piano teacher who managed to reign me in while harvesting my impulse. So I started following the text, but in my performances I would use my impulse according to the text (a bit hard to explain in words). End result? I felt happier because the first impulse is not always correct, just as Daniel said here, so I enjoed my performances more, other people enjoyed them more, and aftermath was also more enjoyable, both for me and the audience. So I completely agree with Daniel that you need a right combination of modesty, for the purposes of following the piece how it is meant to be, and self confidence, to express yourself and mae it your own in the free space that is available.
@@StrangerPage lol. You contradicted yourself too much. Btw. You have to reach to a level to think like Lang Lang. I m not here to defend him. But he’s on top of the hill. You won’t understand him until you r on that. Ppl saying MJ is a A hole. A tyrant. Unless you won 6 rings then u understand why he did all those things.
Music is always about the musician. Without the musician, the music is silent and is just notes on a page. Music was made for the musician, not the other way around. Tell a virtuoso that it is about the music and he will tell you 'not on your life!' The music is there to showcase his talents. I was a musician so I know what I am talking about. It was always all about me. Me... me... me!
I as a musician, only partly agree with that. I am but a tool to express the divine wisdom and universa: emotions through my skills. As Bach said: solo Deo Gloria.
Barenboim talks with the last enemy of 007.
Waltz is the genious here because he pretends to be modest to let the maestro lead the discussion.
Is he pretending though?
05:44 he has absolutely no clue
great interview but i still have some hard time putting my feelings aside in order to "serve" the piano masterpiece i am playing.. why is it considered 'wrong' to simply absorb the essence of a piece and then share it through the unique channel that is "you"?
it is like asking Chopin to play a Mozart like a Mozart. Chopin can only play Chopin...whatever piece he plays..
Very interesting point. Do you like Glenn Gould? Because (in your words) he usually tend to play Gould, which means to play in his subjective feeling.
art heart That is exactly the reason why famous composers turn to composition because they know how to play themselves the best, Chopin would most likely agree with Barenboim's point of view. There was once an occasion that Franz Liszt was playing Chopin's nocturne, however Chopin did not like Liszt adding unneeded embellishments, Chopin was displeased with Liszt boldness. Also Chopin was a great admirer of Mozart and I'm certain Chopin would try and play Mozart pieces as faithfully as possible.
Chopin1995 thanks for your reply. i dono Gould enough.. but he is certainly not the only example. I think of Lang Lang also. You may like him or not, but personally, i admire his freedom and playfulness. He dares to transform a piece and take it to his own world and makes it a unique song.
shadowjuan2 yes :) a perfect example that illustrates what we're discussing here. Playing a piece is like a love affair. You first get to know and explore your beloved's body and personality. (=the piece content and character).
then, either you stick to the rules and make love to your beloved in a very "academic" or "orthodox" way, through the missionary position.
Or you go wild and dare to speak your love in new ways, new creative position, following your own unique feelings. What makes your way of loving unique.
I tried to express it the best way i could. Hope it makes sense :)
art heart Yes that makes sense, but often following your heart and not what the composer intended is forsaking music. No amateur will ever have the deep understanding and musicality that Beethoven or Mozart had, take as an example Barenboim who has perfected the art of playing Beethoven, Barenboim doesn't play Beethoven with his soul in mind but with Beethoven's very own soul, that's why it sounds so damn good when he plays Beethoven. Listen to what the grandmasters of music tell you, the heart is very misleading a lot of times and that's specially if you are not prepared to play a piece of work, this I have learned the hard way. If you pay careful attention most of the times the best interpreters of music are those who are most faithful and loyal to what the composer intended, that includes Barenboim, Richter, Sokolov, Rubinstein. The only exception is Glenn Gould but even Gould always acted in sake of the music and he was always careful not to mix his emotions with the music.
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Schön zu sehen dass Herr Waltz nicht immer die egozentrische Diva raushängen lässt. Leider schon bei einigen TV Auftritten erlebt. Da war er mir richtig unsympathisch! Wenn er sich auf Augenhöhe behandelt fühlt und sein Gegenüber respektiert, dann kann doch ein sehr fruchtbares Gespräch entstehen. Vielen Dank!
Klassikpunk eben ein typisches Beispiel von "wie man in den Wald ruft ..."
:)
He's not a great actor. He is the same in films as he is in real life. Totally overrated lol