AfriForum vs EFF (Shivambu) And Others - WATCH IT ALL - Land Debate
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Parliament of South Africa - “To represent the people, and to ensure government by the people in fulfilling our constitutional functions of passing laws and overseeing executive action”. Heated land debate between Ernst Roets (Deputy CEO) of AfriForum and Mp's during land debate in Parliament. CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. *****
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It is good to see these debates. My Africa is a great channel. It's funny, serious and touches on many different points that affect every single South African. I like to see this kind of democracy.
moosesnWoop123 after seeing this I can understand why South Africa will fail. People can't debate the facts and leaders openly call for war if they can't have it their way. Are there enough open minded blacks who can see past this communist agenda lies?
MoosesnWoop123 I to do not think this a demonstration of democracy. In fact, it was quite the opposite. It clearly demonstrated that if the majority in this parliament does not want to hear a point of view they go as far as an outright declaration of war on those in decent. In a nutshell I heard the following from this committee: We want to take the land you occupy. We will not pay you for it. We will do it as quickly as possible. If you do not give it to us willingly than your inviting war.
Even the chairperson felt compelled to make a comment in an attempt to distance the committee from that sentiment.
Make no mistake the question is no longer one of weather the government will forcibly take land from white people. That will be done one way or the other. The debate now has become one which seems to be focused more toward the white communities various strategies in finding solutions that will delay the process rather than expedite it.
AfriForums arguments seems to be aggressively geared towards convincing people that the grounds on which government is basing the drive towards this outcome is factually incorrect in the misguided belief that anyone actually cares about the grounds at all. I suspect this is a very ill conceived strategy and seems to rely more on international intervention than on widespread local support. I fear this strategy will dismally fail in either direction. It simply reinforces the desire to proceed with confiscation of land as demonstrated by the responses it elicited and even if there is international intervention, the only outcome of such intervention would be economic decline at a much faster pace.
On the other hand other presenters have walked through the door the ANC opened when they started to argue that the constitution need not be amended to allow for EWC. Support for the notion that the constitution need not be changed is based in the requirement of the courts determining just and fair compensation in each instance. Such approach will allow for a delay in resolving the issue for years, and perhaps a number of generations. From a strategic point of view this seems a much better argument. Though, I fear it is not. It is equally bad for the minorities, but alas, better for economics.
Weather or not the ANC opened that door intentionally or not is an open question. I would think they did so intentionally. To assume the contrary is to assume they did not think the legal arguments through, which, given the run up to all of this, seems very unlikely. Every person supporting the notion that the constitution need only receive a cosmetic amendment to clarify that fair and just compensation may be as little as zero is walking into a trap set by the ANC government. There is no better example of boiling the frog very slowly.
This is how I see all of this playing out. There will be a cosmetic amendment to Section 25 of the constitution that will include words to the effect that just and equitable compensation may be as little as zero. The expropriation act will be amended to reflect the basis of compensation to be determined in line with section 25 of the Constitution and furthermore that eviction would be possible prior to such determination by the courts. Government will thereafter deliver the expropriation notices to strategic properties as directed by external investors in claiming such properties as test cases and will engage in the ensuing legal battle regarding just and equitable compensation. The will successfully argue to any international resistance that the evicted persons will be afforded due process in court with a claim for just and equitable compensation in line with the constitution and that the international community must allow such process to play out before we are judged on the basis thereof.
The only unknown is the extent of the reaction that the communities objecting to people being evicted and having to wait years for legal battles to be thought at extraordinary expense will react. I suspect the government will feel comfortable in their military and policing power to subdue any hostilities. All and all I suspect the ANC is outwitting the likes of AfriForum and all of the people seemingly arguing in favour of such cosmetic changes.
From an economic perspective I suspect that such amendment, however insignificant it might seem, will have a negative effect over the longer term. In the short run it seems that China will be the biggest benefactor of acquired land even if it is only rights of access and not outright ownership which will vest in the government just as the EFF desires. But the investment China will bring will buffer against the main economic impact.
None of this will have any effect on the poor and unemployed masses of the country though. Not unless government can find investment that will allow for the creation of employment opportunities of the local population. China has not showed itself to be that kind of investor. The problem is that there may be a drive from the likes of BLF and the EFF feeling sufficiently empowered to proceed with large scale land grabs and criticizing the ANC when they fail to expropriate grabbed land in a similar fashion. No amount of chines investment will be capable of buffering the economic collapse once this happens.
Lets talk about the 300+ years of white oppression:
berlin conference , native land act, group areas act, apartheid,bantu education, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands
BN S If we must we can talk about that. I'd prefer we talk about the strides that was made in the past 24 years through BBBEE though. Employment is, contrary to popular opinion, demonstrably transformed to the extent that the workplace is close to being representative of demographics. Yes there are millions of people, 16.78 million to be exact, who is unemployed, of which about 6% is white. On the other hand the same is true for the employed though. Only approximately 2.2million people in formal employment is white while the rest of the employed millions is black, Indian and Coloured. There are more black owners of residential houses than whites by a factor or about 10. Most new lifestyle housing estates is representative of the demographics of the area. If you are an unemployed black person your chances of obtaining gainful employment in this country is about 92% higher than that of your white unemployed counterpart with the same level of education.
Whatever happened centuries ago happened. I do not condone subjugation of one race over another. Whatever happened during apartheid happened and I condone none of that either. But I am proud that I voted for the abolishment thereof whatever the repercussions is that is coming to the fore only now. I have no feelings of guilt over my race. I had no influence over any of it and once I had, I, together with most of my family and friends, used it to change apartheid.
In truth, even if all whites in South Africa was eliminated completely from the economic landscape, denied any form of participation in commerce, jobs or ownership of property there would still be about 15 million impoverished black people in exactly the same position than they are in right now, possibly more. That is a mathematical certainty.
So, my question to you is this. Is it your desire to suppress white people simply because you hate us and wish for some kind of revenge to be exacted on us? Or do you want to find a way forward that offers the best possibility for all South Africans to find a way out of poverty and to become a prosperous nation? If your answer is the latter than we can engage in discussion. If it is the former, than this interaction is utterly futile.
Why do you care what another person thinks of you? Are you such a child that you should care what others think?
Absolute best part... "I have had many strawman arguments used against me".... Lady from ANC : "Hey Wena, you cannot call me a strawman" HAHAHA
can someone place that part in another video that was classic . whole world should enjoy our members of parliament.
That was hilarious. What a shame they are to Africans like ourselves. We have to work to remove them before we have nothing left to save.
She doesn't know what a strawman is, lol.
That's the level of intelligence in the ANC
This video is full of LOLS - the chairman's "No, eheh, no no, neh eh" and the Extreme Left comment right in the beginning!
I'm proud of my fellow Africans who stood up to the arrogance of this CEO. Calling this organisation "Afriforum" now feels like simply a front to fool the black South Africans into thinking that this organisation has the black south African at heart. It doesn't. This CEO came with bitterness and he got called out. I applaud the white SFs who also called this CEO out about his arrogance. Afriforum, What a disgrace
Afriforum ,wolf in sheep clothing
The ANC woman closed her ears in parliament while solutions was being mentioned. Thats exactly the ANC's style. Not interested in a solution.
You are as delusional as that woman. Keep closing your eyes and blocking your ears and see what future you get.
These fools are trying to brush aside over 300 years of oppression, let me remind them:
berlin conference , native land act, group areas act, apartheid,bantu education, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands
Luvo Ntamehlo from your tone you seem reasonable and the type of person with sincere convictions but who is willing also to consider the facts. Ignore those who call you "delusional" based purely on what you have said above. I am interested to know your perspective. In your estimation, what percentage of currently white-owned land was stolen by dispossessing blacks of land on which they were living? Is it 100%, in your view?
Ha,ha It is not that she is not interested in a solution, it is that she does not know what the word 'solution' means. I have heard that she wasn't able to pass any grade (from 0 to 12) in school. It is most likely a true fact looking at her response of utter stupidity.
Crappy solutions I must say
Blacks are oppressed in Europe, USA and native Africa...this is so painful. Lets liberate ourselves Africa. Africaforum's agenda is so wicked...
Im glad i found a full video, not like on social media Networks and broadcastsers Who only show's small clips To further their own agenda.
This was the direct feed from parliament, but I agree.
Fully agree. People will slice the fuck out of this to further their own agenda. It's so nice to see all these perspectives, contrasting and emotional. Makes me proud that we have this type of procedures in place!
Read this today - so true:
Our struggle journalists are so committed to their collectively predetermined truth that no verified facts would stand in their way.
Today's motto is: Breaking News? We fix it!
Look up News24's video. "If it bleeds it leads"
Well done Ernst. I cant believe that these are our politicians, they acted like a bunch of grade 1 school kids. What a pity.
for my entire life living in South Africa, this is the EXACT behavior I have received from African people. Leave before its too late!
White African: Yes, "a bunch of Grade 1 school kids" !!! NOTHING in Ernst Roets´s speech is offensive... NOTHING is his discourse is unbalanced... NOTHING in Ernst´s speech is in need of logical thinking !....... What happened in Parliament was really a very heavy attack on White People, focused on the person of Ernst Roets as representative of the ideals of Afriforum !... Pure RACISM, and an out-of-control wish for revenge! Any civilized country would be deeply ashamed of such an orchestrated behavior, but -- of course -- that´s NOT the case with South Africa ! The severe and long-lasting brainwashing perpetrated by the ANC and its fanatic partners is dangerously pushing the Country down to the hole...... What surprises me the most is that the MAJORITY of South Africans have NOT yet been able to realize they are on the verge of complete disaster... Shame!!!
Very true words, it might be a good thing that most South Africans are not fully aware of the intensity of the matter, they seem to have to old "Ag it will be ok" attitude. I am grateful that not everyone knows, as this can give us some time to leave the country unnoticed and before a panic state is ensued!
I’m finding it incredibly difficult to watch these idiots responding to Mr Roets. They are simply too simple to grasp facts.
Super Sheep leave buddy. Less of you that are here the better.
I learn everyday by following the politics of South Africa, this gives me hugs to go beyond it and read history of the this world, and on what I've read, I've compared it to what my grandmother thought me may her soul rest in peace
They didn't even address anything Afriforum said. They just attacked his character. Disappointing.
They just concentrated on feelings not facts and logic
Be truthful for once and forget about defending white privilege . We are taking the land back wether you like it or not
Fact is we want our land back. We will get it back sooner or later we will
they have nothing to argue they cant even speak properly !
omw! playing round and round we go! s...tup!
Disgusted with Glynnis Breytenbach. There's nothing you can align with on Afriforums stance? NOTHING!?!?!?!?! Not sure what game the DA are playing but I'm horrified!
The DA is dead to me, they have become just one more populist party. They are useless and like we see in the Cape they were useless to solve the water crisis. In the end the ordinary Capetonians black and white got us through the water crisis. The DA is incompetent and they like the EFF are trying their best to be the ANC's mini-me. It is clear there are no party in parliament prepared to fight for people's right to private ownership.
The da are like the Bernie sanders of south africa, only at least he was genuine of his utopian delusions.
He also said "there where injustices and restitution must take place" She did not agree with that either.
Glad I found this video because all the official channels that has been broadcasting the submissions have not broadcast or uploaded Afriforum's submission but they sure as hell uploaded the responses, including people speaking of civil war.
Deon Cockrell true
Yes that is exactly what i was getting only the outrage had to surch for this
But you need to understand that Afriforum is racist, that is why you only see the responses. Logic does not exist in South-Africa and hearing both sides is considered racist as well. Damned country we live in, propaganda left right and center without any remorse for lying to it's populous.
What's your view of their submission??
@@TumiSelepe - Their submission is delusional and stinks of ”…its right because i’m white and i said so..”
Well done Ernst, finally a fact based presentation with no fear of the useless government.
As well as a solution for prosperity for all- what the hell is wrong with that??.
Bravo, bravo Mr. Roets.............beautifully said, truthful, based on facts, justice, common sense and a good shot at the racism of the EFF/ANC...keep up your intelligent , eloquent speeches that call out the racism and ignorance of the blacks.........."drunk on ideology" and racism, hatred and total ignorance
Shootayib Yukhrabaytak it was once said that the earth is flat. This was fact.
Yes, until white people proved it wrong through intelligence, questioning, ambition and a thirst for knowledge
Thabo Mathabatha . Eish!! Says he of those who never even invented the wheel. No worries mate, the Chinese are here already. 20 years at most, and they Will rule you bumbling big mouths.
Excuse me? He said nothing about ignorance of "the blacks" Afriforum was adressing the racism & true agenda of the EFF & ANC. Afriforum are not a racist organization, please dont insinuate that they are.
Oh no, not at all - I don't think Afriforum is racist. I support them wholeheartedly. They are trying with great effort to work with the ANC/EFF in spite of the hatred of the blacks (most) toward whites and their refusal to get over it and get on with their lives.......... however I do think the black politicians I have listened to on TH-cam are ignorant - totally........they are obsessed with "colonialism".......are we debating events 300 to 400 years ago???? The "expropriation of land without compensation" is the greatest racist event since Hitler and the Nazi's took everything from the Jews..........and Mr. Roets did call out the obsession of the ANC/EFF with white people's "crimes".....the black politicians are very much like the "Black Lives Matter" extremists in the US............how does this black woman know what land was open in 1652??? The indigenous blacks didn't have a written language until white people wrote their language down in order to communicate .......I see no way to cooperate with the ANC or EFF..........they call SA a democratic state?!?!?!?! they try to pretend farm murders don't happen.......lies, lies come from them........hatred and...........one white politician is condemning Afriforum for being racist and ignoring the farm murders and hatred toward whites.........are white people resorting to "kissing ass" to hope they will be tolerated by these monstrously hateful blacks........they call Roets arrogant?!?!?! "We need to come together as a nation......." tell that to the ANC/EFF...........blacks don't want a restorative justice......they want revenge.........these white politicians are behaving like frightened fools
I truly believe that there is no need for this, these fights and racism. We should move on, because we will be like Ghana which was the first country to gain independency, and zimbabwe. I am not saying the apartheid was okay but it's in the past now. we should just make sure that our policies accommodate everyone irrespective of colour, we are one. This debates are making things bad, changing people who aint racist to being racist, for no reason. This is just anger, no thoughts. I am a true African and i believe that we should one... we are splendid together. come on people... if we create this hatred, how is the next coming generation going to live in such. Please!!!!!!!
I am a black South African and it pains me to see this kind of ignorance. It hurts but I can't help but agree with 90% of what AfriForum had to say at the end of the video. They stated the facts and because *facts don't care about your feelings* some people became a little emotional.
It must be stated however that more solutions also need to be implemented and other mentioned solutions can be altered.
Never the less AfriForum was the strongest in the debate.
The resulting hyperinflation that will arise from this policy won't discriminate either. If a bag of tomatoes end up costing R 300 000, then the price will apply to both black and white people. Take Venezuela's current situation for example:
"The country's monthly minimum wage of 1,307,000 bolívars - around $6.03 on the black market - is enough for two cartons of eggs, a kilo (about 2.2 pounds) of cornmeal and a box of pasta
OR
two liters of milk, four cans of tuna and a loaf of bread."
Thank you Mr Roets for keeping your cool in the midst of such hostility. He presented the facts in a logical clear fashion and without unnecessary emotion. The so called honorable members refuse to acknowledge historical fact and international law principles such as Title by Conquest, Res Nullius and the various treaties and purchase agreements.
Perhaps the ICC can help us fight this discrimination.
Wow! Your call sweeping statements facts!! You call them facts to push and support your own agenda! Shame to you 😝
He is mad as fuck hahahaha . We are glad he is finally tapping into it . Their time is up they are shit scared . 🤣🤣🤣
Lol, title by conquest? Ain't that the exact same thing as expropriation of land without compensation?
@@msidom124 present your facts ... and please don't make sweeping statements.
Really! the guy believes our people means black people?
Racism is a systematic thing in SA and it is getting sophisticated by the day.
Ernst jy is n yster!! Dankie dat jy probeer en dit op n ordentelike manier doen .
Of dit n verskil gann maak weet ek nie maar nogmals dankie.
@Marty Boi we halfway there
Rubbish u just don't want to hear the truth, go back to the European countries mxm
@@namjiveofficialchannel100n2 vele these settlers dont want to listen 😂😂😂
@@namjiveofficialchannel100n2 i dont even know which country i come from. This is the only place i know
This man is a very factual man , clearly very articulated and very honest in his debate, the ANC representatives show how immature they are in debating.
Peter-jong De jong : He is intelligent ! read his book "Kill the Boer"
graham Paice black rule and black entitlement will kill this country
U invested in something thats not urz.. That was the biggest risk ever, it showed how immature u are. We, blacks, fought and are still fighting for what is ours.
Lesedi Moagi you do realise that the land will never be yours? The state will own the land. That is what the EFF wants. And the ANC wants what is under the land. Why? Because they are going to need to pay China: your new colonisers.
It's going to be pretty hard to "fight for what is ours" when your government is selling it off to China.
Open your eyes Lesedi. Ernst is fighting for you too.
Steve I think u are right.. I think it would be better if things are left just as they are.
Ernst Roets tells the truth but the problem is people are angry and when you are angry you are ruled by your emotions
What truth yet South Africa had international boundaries before whites arrived. How can land within borders be said to belong to noone?.
I support AfriForum after INTELLIGENT Gerrie Nel joined them.
I support our EFFICIENT and PRODUCTIVE Farmers.
I love this debate,,its straight to the point
If I live in Europe, it doesn't mean I can start farming in a country side and say that it is unoccupied land🙄
Ohh my goodness, 1652 was a different time than 2020 🙄
Lol. Ja ne!!
Unoccupied land and barbarian tribes were scattered all over fighting and killing each other
@@ancovanstaden7297 same human being
@@dudleykamal4679 their choice
Its amazing how far left the overton window has shifted that all logic seems right wing. Ernst Roets keeps on arguing with the facts and keeps cool. He is a true gem!
@Luvo its easy to say that you recognise the land and therefore it is yours. How about earning the land or paying for it.
Luvo Ntamehlo Res Nullius is when a country or state does not control an area of land and nobody is found there not a peice of land where there is a registered title deed, fencing, etc as obviously that land belongs to someone. This international law and is very different from what you postulate. The land without inhabitants is written record. Again where there is a difference of opinion please produce written evidence to the contrary.
Title by conquest was also part of international law at the time. It was the same principle used by the Zulu, Xhosa, British, etc. Do you object to this principle just because of the race of one conqueror then you are racist
As for treaty and purchases. Please look at the Crudop agreement where land was purchased from the Khoi San. Look and the land purchase made by Piet Retief and many others. Chief Mpande honoured the purchase agreement afterwards. There are many such agreements.
Please refute these with logical argument if you can
Luvo Ntamehlo you can look at the bank statements and transactions to prove that it was paid for. Just recognising a mountain does not mean you own it. Sorry for you.
@@kevinfreese2524 not an argument
Phiwokuhle Qwabe and you are making an argument?
What a legendary speech by Ernst Roets! Applause!!
Its too bad none of those idiots listened to anything he said. Its made obvious by their line of questions. They called facts racist. Smmfh they will never get africa off the ground if these morons gain full control.
@@mouseypublishings By "these idiots" you mean Black people right? isn't that racist?
@@orapelengtawana3287 there was a white idiot as well so keep trying to race bait
@@michaelcarney6280 Im saying that cos u dont acknowledge the fact that Roots disrespected everyone in that room...
@@orapelengtawana3287 what your saying is it's ok to be racist towards white people because that's what the ANC and EFF are doing try doing that in Europe to Blacks or Arabs your a hippercrite
The logic of some of these people is simply Astounding - !!! You can't go forward or progress with thoughts like these - Surely !!!
The scary thing is this is they are in parliament. Disgrace. Easy to understand why the country is in the state it's in.
Steven Watermeyer: that`s why we are in a recession
The fact is the land will be taken, like it or not
The first time I have seen white South Africans scold other white South Africans.
Shivambo, keepin it real...
Brilliant speach Ernst, and all you said is true.. but these people are blind, no use in arguing with them
Riaan van Wyk yeah... because am white and i say so
EWB , you shall follow your father
If I say "you people"is it that racist ?or shld I say "these people" then I'm a racist,pls educate
Who are these people?
oppressors
I love this chairperson!! He is very objective and cool and calm.
Yes, he's gaining in respect but I'm concerned that he still allows statements, from particularly Shivambu, instead of just constructive questions.
Thato Mogane ....Roets also...respect him.The black woman screams like..μ§¿°°￦₹¤§
Agreed! It would be nice to have a government full of people like him to lead us into a prosperous and free future for all South Africans.
He's horrible.. Calm but doing a bad job in my opinion. You need to be informed and proactive in these type of jobs but then again, what do I know lorl
The passion in this parliament is giving me goosebumps 😬😬😬
I have followed these proceedings closely. Joined Afriforum after their presentation. It is sad that not all members of parliament are properly educated. They only represent their party’s dictatorship, which is not open to
democratic discussion. Well said Afriforum, the facts speak for themselves, although sadly ignored. History will judge the failure of the current government, when people cry and starve of hunger. All we can do, is to attempt to help steer this, once wonderful country as our future unfolds and history is written!
A full on genocide is comming. How can people not see this?? Once starvation sets in whites will be slaughtered in the streets
My Name is Vusi Zwane,I'm South African and Black( not only that I'm Zulu)...I suggest in 2019 we wake up to vote but don't tick anything in that ballot box instead find some open space and write "we want a completely new government". We need to get rid of all of these people all of them. History is terrible but repeating it just shows how emotional our government has become...logic should always come first..it pains me to know that white south africans have oppressed us for so long but for some reason, This young man sounds smarter and more logical then all of them put together simply by just avoiding getting emotional. The ANC has always been a revolutionary party they thrive in a fighting environment n the EFF (a break away faction of the ANC) just can't stand peace...I respect my veterans but goddamnit
Uyanya wena mlungu. You are not black.
Truth Is Comrades don't belong in parliament
This Afriforum guy is very strong. The DA needs strong guys like this to get through and under the skin of the Opposition Party. The Clarity Responses / Questions was Pre-meditated
The DA opposes his views, so they are clearly not interested in recruiting someone with his school of thought.
Is he really making the false equivalence that colonizers who bulldozed their way into countries is the same as Africans who emigrated legally to Europe? His arguments are flawed.
Hnr Mokoele🙌🙌🙌🙌
Afriforum for the first time got a proper and fitting roasting
23m:00s Hon Philtane🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Enough said!
Omg These ppl have poor comprehension skills, poor communication and they're highly reactive and irrational. He clearly presented facts and provided EIGHT concrete solutions!! And all they can conclude is that he's arrogant. Wow.
and close their ears cos they have no facts
Infuriating isn't it how does one work towards solution in the present if they insist on using the past to destroy the future
Arrogance does not begin to describe their attitude
Can you please list these solutions?
@@xolilestilo8376 you've proven my point
Good speech Mr Roets ....i would like us on a solution, Fact is a black person was disadvantaged in this country but can we stop fighting let's focus on a solution
Stolen land, simply doesn't belong to you. That land will be take. Also should consider paying fine and pay compensation the abuse. That's what you call human rights
As a white south african I love u all very much end of story
Calling that lady a strawman would be an insult to strawmen around the world...
Maybe strawwomen? Just asking. Would that be better?
@@playgirl7305 Are you assuming xer/xor/her/his/xe gender??? How dare you! It's strawperson.
@@bojackhorsemanners a female strawperson
Calling that lady a strawman is an insult to that lady and all Africans
@@tumizasation ??
Naturally a very emotive issue. History has indeed placed a great burden on us. We are all a product of this history, and our views on this matter clearly indicates this.
I could've debated this bloke a whole lot better than these politicians 🤦
Dankie Ernst Roets.
I might be against Ernst's point of view but I would like to give some constructive criticism.
I so wish he can be able to choose his words wisely and be able to present his point of view without inviting some back-lashing.
In his presentation he made some good points but lack the wheel to convey it correctly.
That's where his weak point is.
I follow this guy and listen to his arguments. I just wish I can remove the element of superiority in his mind so that he can debate with clear mind!!!
He can be good in debates.
He had good points and I believe this could have turned in a better two way conversation. But the way he uses words 🤕🤕🤕🤕
What a ending... Absolutely brilliant!!!
Let us all pray to Almighty GOD for His divine supernatural interventions in our lives.
This kind of Jesus save us thinking is not needed in times where we are challenging the economical status quo
South African parliamentarians are emotional to the extent where their judgement is clouded...
As black man, I must admit that Afriforum have got their facts in order.
Flipver0 😂😂😂
udakiwe mfana
Yes, Njabulo. Insults beat facts any day.
Your not black...
I'm black and I totally agree with you. It's sad that we have elected dumb people to govern us. Not only are they dumb but they're also very corrupt.
We need intelligent and ethical people like Thuli Madonsela to govern us. It's sad that she not a politician.
Another thing we need is our own enclave where intelligent black people can govern themselves. Another races are also welcome. It's obvious that this country is gonna fail and blacks own anything except politicians. Orania is a good model.
Good speech ernst but let's deal with equality first then we will come to all that
Good conclusion from the toddler racist. He's smart after all. What he said is true and it has to be taken seriously by these corrupt politicians.
Im looking at all the names of the ppl commenting.. This Comment us indeed biased and compromised😭😂
When you are being called "Arrogant" for telling the truth. I guess truth hurts, to most.
1st time I ever watch an entire video of SA parliament. Was interesting listening to liars and they such....
Once again this just shows that these people do not care about your facts or findings. To say all the land was stolen is absurd, but because they are the majority they can say what they want and everyone will believe it. Even if they know it's not the truth, but this is all about revenge for them.
kenny king Will all the blacks leave Europe and America? Seems everyone would be happy with the swop?
It's justice, call it revenge if you like. What's wrong with justice for all those atrocities & evil committed against Afrikans?
100% agreed!!! Marcel
Bernard Mew No, let them stay there, occupy unused land & be left in peace.
So lets say you killed me, would it be fare if your great grand child gets sent to jail for the murder you committed? I don't think that is justice or fare. I am not saying something should not be done to correct what our history has caused today, but justice and revenge were due to the whites who committed their crimes not their ancestors. Lets talk just and fare solutions not revenge or justice on crimes committed by people long time dead.OR we just cause divisions.
Afriforum on point as usual. The state must seriously listen to our civil organisations more so we can increase the middle income group and have a more successful economy.
Your civil organisation is irrelevant and we are coming for the land... Keep hiding behind fake profiles because that is the only power have
We don't need success economy only land blustery thief Boers tym is here u ll run to were u came from or ur grandfather said come frm
That is not what the state want. They want to destroy the middle class because it poses a real threat to them when there is a strong middle class. Did you not hear Zuma refer to them in a very derogatory manner as ''Cleva Blacks'' because they do not fall for the Government's lies and incompetence anymore?
"You are drunk in hatred and contempt"???
That's a bold statement from an Afriforum deputy president
He said by conquest maybe black South African should unite and conquer white south African to end this bs
That guy Roets stood alone against a mob. The only thing he won was the argument.
1. You know, I've listened thoughtfully to the Afriforum guy...I may not agree with some of the things he says but there is truth in what he's saying.
2. And we need to get rid of all these old people in parliament and get young, educated blood, people who can make substantial arguments or objections.
My comment comes long after this session took place but I felt compelled to share. Having watched the full session, I have a few things to add: Whist Mr Roets' presentation may have contained facts and pointed out the shortcomings of the ANC government, HOW one says something is crucial if black people and the white minority are going to find a solution to the land issue. There is understandably a lot of pain that black people associate with the injustices of the Apartheid regime, so when addressing a sensitive issue like this, Mr Roets would have done well to take this into consideration. Whilst I understand the MPs frustrations with Mr Roets, I feel we need a younger breed of politicians who aren't so emotionally affected or provoked by the injustices of the past (In no way am I making light of the horrors of the former regime). I'm asking God how best this nation can move forward in addressing and resolving the land issue in a way that engenders justice for all people concerned.
Those opposing Afriforum's presentation repeat the same things, such as "arrogance", land was not "vacant". Which land was not vacant and where? Consult the archives. Cite where land was taken by conquest. They come without any supporting facts. Very counter productive. In a place such as parliament one must be as specific as possible. The ANC and EFF are being as broad as possible. Edit: Ernst was definitely on the attack, but it is well deserved as the ANC has been blatently looting state coffers and have been neglecting their job for too long. This whole land thing was their desparate attempt at staying in power. Maybe the ANC will actually do their job and process the land claims after this, if they dont decide to destroy the whole country with appropriation without compensation. Ofcourse they couldn't dispute any of the facts afriforum put forward.
Make Africa great again president malema
Saddest thing is that you're hiding your name, what do you fear ?
I suppose the berlin conference , native land act, group areas act, apartheid, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands never happened???
What about burning of evidence and dead witnesses funny how people ask for evidence that they know has been destroyed 😭
@@bijosn surprise surprise even some whites were disposessed during apartheid.
Ernst "facts"Roets is on the right track honest accurate respect to you tzaneenseun hope everyone listens to the truth expose the corrupt government A forum you give many both black and white Khoisan kin Indian hope that this country might survive and thrive
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Ernst Roets is a gem.
you mean a Germ
Wayne Mthembu lol😂👌🏿
HAHAHAHA. No I went to school and so did my teachers. I meant gem. I passed English and was not "progressed".
No no honey Boo Boo...!! You failed to catch the joke love. Ernst really is a Germ...a filthy pathetic alarmist one at that...no joke!
🤣🤣🤣 germ
Roets is intellectually so head and shoulders above the rest, I think he should emigrate. He will never be appreciated in a country like South Africa. They don't even understand a word he says.
No, we need him here in SA or we have no hope
Yes i dont understand him, i dont speak Racism!
@@thapelonthutang5080 not agreeing with your opinion does not equal racism.
You do speak racism, he said nothing racist in his presentation. They are so filled with hate they can't hear the truth. The fact that he criticised the governing party and the fascist EFF is not racist it is merely telling the truth. The reply to his presentation was utterly racist. It is there before your eyes open them.
@@marinawareham9501 wake up hope is lost with that bunch of self entitled black racists. SA will go the way of Zimbawe. So sad
Ernst Roets is remarkably patient! I guess he has to be because his opponents find it difficult to follow reasoned debate. Pity!
Astraea Shaw you mean suicidal😂😂😂
Raffael Rueckert lol you mean when you want to cling to your ill gained wealth you claim you discovered a land and then you talk about conquest and in the same line you claim you reached the southern tip of africa before bantu people and then claim a whole sale killings of san people and the khoi by bantu people...your gymnastics attempts to rewrite history are quite appalling to say the list. You are missing out a great opportunity to advance on the reconciliation project mandela offered your people to built an inclusive society...but i guess this is what happens when forgive a people who don't deserve it hey...we are taking the land ramble all you want
@ Bongani you are a hypocrite. You clearly don't know the history of south africa. You are just a stupid racist
African tribes frequently waged war against each other and made alliances for survival. The succession of african immigrants from Central Africa during the time of the Bantu expansion initially led to the formation of merged tribes such as the Masarwa. After some time african immigrants of greater strength invaded much of the traditional San territories. Archeological research suggests that each african tribe succession had better weapons than their predecessors enabling them to dominate the eastern parts of South Africa thereby forcing the Khoisan into less desirable parts of the country. Your ancestors were the ones killing the Khoisan people left and right and stealing their land.
Go and read a history book, maybe you will learn something. I know it will be a new experience but try it. And stop trying to rewrite the history of South Africa and voetsek back to central africa where your ancestors came from
Reasonable debate amongst distraught victims and relishing perpetrators. 🤣 laughable at best, when has a smiling rapist put on a sad facing when talking to his crying victim.
@@ntsakomarete3437 who's history books? The white man's history books?
Nice try with your fake account.
Literally each and every one of the MPs' comments were straw man arguments where they totally misrepresented what Ernst said and attacked his character.
Utterly disappointing to see the lack of intellect, lack of historical knowledge, lack of decorum. If this is what sits in Parliament then no wonder they made such a mess of this country and will continue to make with yet again another hare brained scheme.
Straw men want the whole world to believe there is a white genocide in South Africa.
@@zefaniakooks1659 I don't remember Afriforum ever advocating that there is a white genocide in SA. But they have brought attention to farm attacks and farm murders.
Zefania Kooks Afriforum never mentioned white genocide. Perhaps its your guilty conscience speaking. I would contend that it may be ethnic cleansing
Honestly, saying "our people" makes you a racist President?? how could any correct thinking person make that sort of correlation? The truth is that there seems to be a culture of intolerance in Afrikaans community even against their own people. It can be endearing because you can stand together in principle for certain believes which mostly center around preserving Afrikaner ideals but its highly dangerous because you can be easily misled! Most free thinking Afrikaner people are highly ostracized for a having a different view from the herd mentality and as a result are mentally imprisoned while being conditioned to accept substandard or inferior cognitive patterns of thought ! Your individualism or the freedom to test new thought patterns is stolen from you under the guise of being a trots Afrikaner boel! and more often than not, an Afrikaner who is not brave enough to claim that individualism often finds him or herself having to hide their love or interest from anything that's not Afrikaans oriented ! In this thread alone, Steve Swarts is ostracized by some people for expressing disappontment in the presentation. That's cruel!
Thank you Ernst for speaking the truth, always presenting facts with clear explanations, keeping calm even in the most difficult of situations. You are an inspiration.
I didn't know that borehole technology was cutting edge!
They used to say Eurpeans Only, but now they claim to be Africans??
Well done Ernst!
His whole argument was "black people can't farm"
Afriforum speaks on facts, the others on ideologies
lol
Facts or no facts we are taking the lands
stupid facts, we don't need him with his facts, we want to work the LAND!
Khoisan's land, u don't belong anywhere in this country. As the Khoisan if they want you
HB P what are you going to do HB P?
Great presentation and sorry to see the attacks from our mps and leaders. Their perception became their reality.
Remember: “Woe to those who scheme iniquity, Who work out evil on their beds! When morning comes, they do it, For it is in the power of their hands. They covet fields and then seize them, And houses, and take them away. They rob a man and his house, A man and his inheritance. Therefore thus says the LORD, "Behold, I am planning against this family a calamity From which you cannot remove your necks; And you will not walk haughtily, For it will be an evil time.”
Micah 2:1-3 NASB
😂😂😂
Thanks Ernst, i am very proud of you because you have handled yourself very good amongst a group of ..................
Ons benodig meer mense soos Mnr. Roets in hierdie land
This is what IQ of above 100 vs IQ of below 70 sounds like.
You look the part.
empty polyester suit.
empty suit Reasons of how and why the pink obtained land.
Come on, I'm sure Roets' IQ is above 70, surely.
If you think those studies for iq accounted for language barriers and economic situation when testing for the average iq of an average population, well then you must have a low iq yourself.
@@raffaelrueckert388 got any citations to prove that? Which studies in particular because that is bullshit. You should read 'white brain, black brain'.
Lol, c'mon Phiwikuhle Qwabe - this video clearly shows everybody on that panel attacked Ernst' person and not his ideas. It's not about their English - it's about their arguments, and they had zero!
I don't think that the guys from the EFF necessarily have low IQs, but they definitely appeal to those with lower IQs, they know how to argue in a way that will resonate with their low IQ/poorly educated voting base. Which is a pretty smart and devious tactic!
You sound like a thinking person Qwabe. Surely you can see right through their bullshit?
This little boy (Ernst Roet) has been put to his place, however he has a number of points in his solution on issues such as dis-functional education system on most black schools, cutting down on some gov departments which are useless and so on.
How is it that one mans statement had more information and justified motivation than an entire panel of opposition, who did not give a single solution or show how land reform is beneficial in any way. They clearly have an agenda that is more important than the state of the country. Watch the body language and it speaks volumes.
No doubt what our forefathers did may not have been the best solution, but it did allow for the growth of the country that it is today. Why destroy the whole thing for vengeance. It's like the story of the two mothers from the bible who both claimed the baby to be their own, one mother wanted to spare the baby, the other was prepared to cut it in half. Which do you think loved the baby more?
As a South African I do not wish to see this country (my country of birth) to be torn apart, by the likes of a few people who only seek to have their own needs or desires to be met.
The insanity of repeating something and expecting different results is not the example of south africa, but other countries like Zimbabwe who tried the EXACT same thing and failed miserably.
Don't make the same mistake. I am near the end of my life and dont have children that will have to be subjected to this failing country, but for the sake of those who do, don't act on what happened in the past, as you would only be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Lets take what we have and find a solution that is beneficial to all. All to often in this country we destroy what we cant get. We dont get free schools, burn them. The cost of public transport goes up,, burn buses and trains. We get given a business, we loot someone else's. The girl doesnt like you, rape her. He has what you want, kill him and take it. These things bring destruction and not growth!
The words....kangaroo court come to mind.
Not quite but it looks like it could possibly go that way very easily. All those there were being emotional instead of listening, understanding, reflecting, and then formulating a response. Most didn't even listen carefully to what was said. Emotions are too high strung for anyone to agree on a solution, everyone needs to work better at removing emotions from the talks.
well said ernst!
Agreed - no more holding back!
why these two vikings in our parliament ?
"Governments come and go" Clearly not in South Africa.
the people are far too base to actually exercise freedom!
Future Known, yes like Zuma said..................... till the return of Jesus which simply mean that the majority of ANC supporters together with their godless pro-abortion policy corrupt leaders have first class tickets to the lake of fire and brimstone prepared for their father the devil and his ''forefather'' angels. Slaughter another goat and hope for the best, so terribly sad.................... save that Christ, the Lion Of Judah is a righteous judge who cannot be lied to, praise His name!
Yikes. I thought my Detroit Board of Education (and city hall) meetings were silly, but this is middle schoolers playing student senate.
LoL Yip that is how they roll - down hill all the way to destruction. It seems to be a DNA thing..........
Remember to send aid when the "starving kids in Africa" commercials roll!
Your probably a very sad person
Well done Ernst you have balls love ya !!!
Why don't we show them a copy of the contract "Die Traktaat" that king Shaka signed?
Afriform rocks!
You think so?
Dithare Machabaphala you know you love them. Don't deny it
Give me Floyd Shivambu's no. I wanna call him. The guy issa legent.
I have yet to see a single rational argument advanced to counter what Roets says. To this point we get the usual ANC / EFF pap appealing to people with an IQ of 40 by attacks on his character, etc. Then there is 'tut-tutting' of the DA / ACDP members - still not cogent argument.
6%. Just 6% has been transferred to the hands of poor black farmers?
Aaaaand everyone blames Zuma alone.
Mr Rhodes got them quite.....eh eh eh Chair hahaha
Psalms 2:1-12
Waarom is daar onrus onder die volke,
Waarom smee die nasies planne -
en dit tevergeefs?
Die konings van die aarde
is in opstand,
die leiers span saam teen die Here
en teen Sy gesalfde en sê:
"Kom ons maak ons vry
en gooi hulle juk af!"
Hy wat in die hemel woon,
lag hulle uit,
die Here spot met hulle.
Hy spreek hulle aan in Sy toorn,
in Sy gramskap jaag Hy hulle op loop:
"Dit is Ek wat hom as my koning
gesalf het op Sion,
my heilige berg."
Ek wil vertel wat die Here
aangekondig het.
Hy het vir my gesê:
"Jy is my seun,
van vandag af is Ek jou Vader.
Vra My, en Ek gee volke vir jou
as eiendom,
die hele aarde as jou besitting,
Jy sal hulle verpletter
met jou ystersepter,
hulle flenters slaan soos n kleipot."
Wees dan nou verstandig, konings,
wees gewaarsku,
regeerders van die aarde!
Julle moet die Here met ontsag dien,
Hom met vrees en bewing toejuig
en Hom onderdanig wees,
sodat Hy nie toornig word
en julle op die pad omkom nie,
want Sy toorn ontvlam gou.
Dit gaan goed met almal
wat by Hom skuiling soek.
The whole debate is not about land, it is about buying votes with other people's property because you are bankrupt due to corruption and theft.
They have no common decency or even politeness. These people are not trying to solve a problem they are trying to stir up problems.
What an arguement. and yes, you won't agree with sound reason and logic if it's against what you "think" is right
People hurt by facts and reason... one was even offended by the term strawman LOL
Dont call me a strawman. I am not a strawman
It was like Roets was arguing with children Hahahahaha
Poor black families are having 6 or 7 children with nothing to call their own, and the father goes missing 70%+ of the time. Then the white man is to blame when the next generation suffers squalor, and they are owed because they are more and have less, despite all policy punishing the whites for being whites.
It is not funny. It is sad and scary!
Nick Mayley i think rather not we are not hurt by anything but injustices of the past. our future is not possible without your people understanding this simple people’s out cry.
Nick Mayley you are a sad human being and I doubt if it has anything to do with your colour, in every way and your children will be a casualty of a Miss opportunity to build.
Unlike the Europeans in Africa, Black people in Europe didn’t steal any land.
When was land stolen in South Africa? Are you talking about conquered land?
Piero Oconovar when conquering land in Africa was it done in a humane manner
Yes Piero, obviously conquered land in Africa was executed humanly. They took big fluffy ostrich feathers and tickled each other into submission.
I see a lot of commenters saying earnest is presenting the facts...There is no truth in what is saying..he is just obsessed with blaming the ANC and EFF...
by the way the anc and eff have not failed the people of south Africa... the government is doing the best it can to help South Africans given the limited resources and budget it has...
I do not agree With Ernst. I do acknowledge that a long period of time has passed on without addressing this serous matter of land, Which I think is going to lead us as a country TO A very disadvantage side if not handled properly...
Ernset is quiet right to say that there has to be a form of compensation given for the land...But What I don't agree with him on is his totally abolishing of the process of land reform.
he has gone some considerable lengths to prevent a democratic course from taking place...and that is something that worries me as a south African...
I don't want to take the racist approach or ignorant approach for this matter and any matter, and all of us we shouldn't do it..
what I'm suggesting we should do..we need to come together as South Africans and unite for the democratic course to take effect which is going to ensure that we all benefit as humans and as native South Africans, black and white, and allow the expropriation of land without compensation to take effect. JUST LIKE THAT!!!!