Love this guy, wish there were more people with his clear-sighted, cool rationality and there were more major professors who uploaded their lecture courses onto youtube.
That is very true, making it difficult to discuss class politics with people from the USA and, worse, making the politics of class very confused in the USA. One of the preconditions for the achievement of a classless society has to be an understanding of the problem.
great interview. full of insight into the nature of capitalism and US imperialism. not sure i agree with the claim that vietnam was a 'defensive' war (at 34:07). though it was different from iraq and afghanistan - it wasn't meant to be a war to occupy the country.
@wotnuhellizdis " When David Harvey said pre-emptive strikes are new for this century, I think he was talking exclusively about US foreign policy , as the British had done so during the Napoleonic war in 1807 " lol i think the qualifier "new for this century" means we are not looking back to premodern 1807.
You're right in saying that the USA is a mixed economy- almost all 'capitalist' countries today are (in fact, I can't think of any that aren't off the top of my head), but I don't see why this means they aren't capitalist. Private ownership of property and means of production are the basis of the economy- isn't this what it means to be capitalist, even if there is some government intervention?
When David Harvey said pre-emptive strikes are new for this century, I think he was talking exclusively about US foreign policy , as the British had done so during the Napoleonic war in 1807 against the kingdom of Denmark which was seen to be a potential threat to England's then ally Sweden. Or maybe Wiccapedia is full of misinformation.
Now you're just talking about a different thing. I would disagree that a completely hands-off approach is the best way, but in any case my point was that having a mixed economy does not mean it's not capitalist. Especially considering that pretty much every country in the world, successful or not, has a mixed economy, and the vast majority of those are capitalist mixed economies.
There is no actual "housing" problem. The reason there is an insufficient supply of decent, affordable housing is that land markets, absent the public collection of the rent of land, are not responsive to competitive forces. Rather, the low effective rate of taxation on land rent allows owners of land to hold land idle for decades or even longer. Investment in land is as often made for speculation as for development. The "housing" issues will be solved only when we solve the land problem by shifting taxation to land (i.e., location) rental values.
You know, that is a kind of disingenuous response. You can't say "child labor became unnecessary because of capitalism", an abstract term that consolidates a variety of concrete realities and of processes, a multitude of causes. Even if you could, that would be a logical fallacy, a false cause. It seems you give agency to an empty phrase. At least as a historian, Marx engages in a lucid exposition of Child labor in London during the 19th century, shows the bitter fight to abolish it.
You didn't even understand my point. My point is that the BRIC's left their socialism and Communism behind and are becoming functional economies through capitalism (no, not fully capitalist, but more capitalist than they were which is why they have boomed), their booms would be bigger if they were fully capitalist. Actually the closest thing to capitalism would be Andorra which has no income tax, or now there is a section of Honduras that is 100% privately owned (no government roads nothing).
"What Marx wrote and what self-appointed 'Marxists' interpreted are two different things" In think single quotes could have gone around 'interpreted' too! You make a good point. I think Chomsky probably has it right too: watch?v=WsC0q3CO6lM
@hjemkomst Sorry for the late reply. Yes I am serious. These are the facts: When people in a country are growing more and more in favor of "taxing the rich" in the name of fair share, you can come to the conclusion that they are not in any way capitalist other than claiming to be in name only. The problem is that the US is not a capitalist nation; it is a mixed economy. If we were capitalist we would not be in the mess we are right now.
My whole point is that socialism is so inferior to capitalism it is impossible to take one serious who espouses it. I used the BRICs as an example in their somewhat embrace of capitalism and not communism! If you took the trouble to look at the areas of an economy where the government is involved the least, and the free enterprise is allowed to happen (within the rule of law!) it is the most prosperous part of an economy. While the areas still under control of government are the worst.
i agree. i think its good to add his deep geographical expertise with some other theorists in the philosophical/critic studies. I like Zizek, I have found many of his ideas on global capitalism very crucial. he tries to write clearly, and is the enemy of obscuntarism, but he uses a philosophical framework as well as marxist and lacanian theory, so this synthesis may be polarizing. This causes some passionate detractors, but he speaks on some very fascinating, far-reaching paradoxes
What Marx wrote and what self-appointed 'Marxists' interpreted are two different things. Marx's understanding of 'class struggle' is dialectical. He sees the proletariat as constitutive of capital, classes are not identities but degrees of alienation from capital. The class struggle is supposed to achieve a *classless* society in which the categories of bourgeoisie/proletariat become meaningless, rather than a marxist-leninist 'workers state'.
He states his report on housing conditions in general included recommendations on wealth distribution and racial issues. Hardly sticking to housing. But this is typical of socialist idealist intellectual thinking. Things are portrayed as either racism, class, or income distribution usually as a result of the realization that they themselves are useless or impotent. the racist,social structure, income equality card is more often played as a 'safe haven' than any useful suggestion.
The problem with Marxism, as I understand it, is that it aims at "the dictatorship of the proletariat". I don't want to live in a dictatorship. The great problem is that many dictators ARE proletarians (the urge to tyranny knows no class distinction) and frankly I am not impressed.
David Harvey is precise, concise and clear. These qualities is what makes his strength.
These serie of interviews are more than interesting. Bravo for the organiser and especially for the uploader.
holy shit this guy is awesome
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Amazing interview and thanks to everyone.
Also, I laughed out loud at your Handle and the icon accompanying it. Very Good, Sir.
Love this guy, wish there were more people with his clear-sighted, cool rationality and there were more major professors who uploaded their lecture courses onto youtube.
That is very true, making it difficult to discuss class politics with people from the USA and, worse, making the politics of class very confused in the USA. One of the preconditions for the achievement of a classless society has to be an understanding of the problem.
42:45 is prescient (OWS), given that this is 2004.
Just recently discovered him... Ordered his books!
Great interview David.
Bravo Dr. Harvey. Marx and Engels did their share. They provided us with the tools; Historical Materialism.
Love his gilet
what, huh? not sure what you're saying with all the typos. please explain.
@GeoHistPol You nailed it what the problem is with America and its peers.
great interview. full of insight into the nature of capitalism and US imperialism. not sure i agree with the claim that vietnam was a 'defensive' war (at 34:07). though it was different from iraq and afghanistan - it wasn't meant to be a war to occupy the country.
@wotnuhellizdis " When David Harvey said pre-emptive strikes are new for this century, I think he was talking exclusively about US foreign policy , as the British had done so during the Napoleonic war in 1807 " lol i think the qualifier "new for this century" means we are not looking back to premodern 1807.
I live roughly four miles from where he lived as a kid !
You're right in saying that the USA is a mixed economy- almost all 'capitalist' countries today are (in fact, I can't think of any that aren't off the top of my head), but I don't see why this means they aren't capitalist. Private ownership of property and means of production are the basis of the economy- isn't this what it means to be capitalist, even if there is some government intervention?
When David Harvey said pre-emptive strikes are new for this century, I think he was talking exclusively about US foreign policy , as the British had done so during the Napoleonic war in 1807 against the kingdom of Denmark which was seen to be a potential threat to England's then ally Sweden.
Or maybe Wiccapedia is full of misinformation.
My goodness, he's sharp
@amet1980 Isnt Harvey British?
Now you're just talking about a different thing. I would disagree that a completely hands-off approach is the best way, but in any case my point was that having a mixed economy does not mean it's not capitalist. Especially considering that pretty much every country in the world, successful or not, has a mixed economy, and the vast majority of those are capitalist mixed economies.
Esto podría alguien subtitularlo al castellano? idioma que hablamos acá en Argentina
long live synthesizer theme music
The whole interview is pretty damn prescient! If only Charlie Rose would have given an interview of this depth instead of cutting off points...
Rose is a dreadful interviewer.
There is no actual "housing" problem. The reason there is an insufficient supply of decent, affordable housing is that land markets, absent the public collection of the rent of land, are not responsive to competitive forces. Rather, the low effective rate of taxation on land rent allows owners of land to hold land idle for decades or even longer. Investment in land is as often made for speculation as for development. The "housing" issues will be solved only when we solve the land problem by shifting taxation to land (i.e., location) rental values.
You're pretty mature for a 57 year old. What year did u drop out of high school?
10 years later. Brazil exports 19% to China, 13% to US, 6% to Netherlands, 8% to Argentina
You know, that is a kind of disingenuous response. You can't say "child labor became unnecessary because of capitalism", an abstract term that consolidates a variety of concrete realities and of processes, a multitude of causes. Even if you could, that would be a logical fallacy, a false cause. It seems you give agency to an empty phrase. At least as a historian, Marx engages in a lucid exposition of Child labor in London during the 19th century, shows the bitter fight to abolish it.
Long live historical materialism.Long live socialism.Now more than ever
You didn't even understand my point. My point is that the BRIC's left their socialism and Communism behind and are becoming functional economies through capitalism (no, not fully capitalist, but more capitalist than they were which is why they have boomed), their booms would be bigger if they were fully capitalist. Actually the closest thing to capitalism would be Andorra which has no income tax, or now there is a section of Honduras that is 100% privately owned (no government roads nothing).
@amet1980 Harvey isn't post marxist.
Oh really? Explain to me, I want to learn!
Long live historical materialism.Long live socialism...
"What Marx wrote and what self-appointed 'Marxists' interpreted are two different things"
In think single quotes could have gone around 'interpreted' too!
You make a good point. I think Chomsky probably has it right too: watch?v=WsC0q3CO6lM
@hjemkomst Sorry for the late reply. Yes I am serious. These are the facts: When people in a country are growing more and more in favor of "taxing the rich" in the name of fair share, you can come to the conclusion that they are not in any way capitalist other than claiming to be in name only. The problem is that the US is not a capitalist nation; it is a mixed economy. If we were capitalist we would not be in the mess we are right now.
Hello.
What's "obscuntarism"? You used this word in your comment here one month ago.
Or was it a Freudian slip? Ha ha if it was.
obscurantism is when you obscure facts and truth, mystify things, which reactionaries love to do.
Have we become comfortably numb?
@colourmegone well as you understand it is wrong. whats your next concern?
My whole point is that socialism is so inferior to capitalism it is impossible to take one serious who espouses it. I used the BRICs as an example in their somewhat embrace of capitalism and not communism! If you took the trouble to look at the areas of an economy where the government is involved the least, and the free enterprise is allowed to happen (within the rule of law!) it is the most prosperous part of an economy. While the areas still under control of government are the worst.
That is not hte point: This is a product of the forfilling of Capital's hunger, not, by any means, hte expression of someone's will.
we're solving problems that arise from language here, kid
lol this guy emigrated to America - to teach Marxism lol!
it's a fucking jam, bro
Poaching is illegal . . . not legal . . . unless you legalize it.
i agree. i think its good to add his deep geographical expertise with some other theorists in the philosophical/critic studies. I like Zizek, I have found many of his ideas on global capitalism very crucial. he tries to write clearly, and is the enemy of obscuntarism, but he uses a philosophical framework as well as marxist and lacanian theory, so this synthesis may be polarizing.
This causes some passionate detractors, but he speaks on some very fascinating, far-reaching paradoxes
What Marx wrote and what self-appointed 'Marxists' interpreted are two different things. Marx's understanding of 'class struggle' is dialectical. He sees the proletariat as constitutive of capital, classes are not identities but degrees of alienation from capital. The class struggle is supposed to achieve a *classless* society in which the categories of bourgeoisie/proletariat become meaningless, rather than a marxist-leninist 'workers state'.
Empire abroad, tyranny at home
Is he the author of Neoliberalism?
Yes, exactly, that's not capitalism you genius. Capitalism follows the rule of law, i don't know if you are aware of that.
He states his report on housing conditions in general included recommendations on wealth distribution and racial issues. Hardly sticking to housing. But this is typical of socialist idealist intellectual thinking. Things are portrayed as either racism, class, or income distribution usually as a result of the realization that they themselves are useless or impotent. the racist,social structure, income equality card is more often played as a 'safe haven' than any useful suggestion.
Rob so your solution is to just ignore those real issues. Moronic
This crazy old prof hasn't touched down to reality for quite a number of years now! Woo, flying high in his own imaginary world!
boss hog . . . your fired
thanks taxpayers
Ha ha.
hahahahahaha
@richard1917 hahahahaha
this poster is lame
The problem with Marxism, as I understand it, is that it aims at "the dictatorship of the proletariat". I don't want to live in a dictatorship. The great problem is that many dictators ARE proletarians (the urge to tyranny knows no class distinction) and frankly I am not impressed.
Niet!
You should be illegal.