It's pretty unfortunate that RV parks don't seem to understand or be willing to accommodate EV drivers that are happy to be paying customers. Good to hear Gosia's take on the part of the trip.
Even if you can convince a location where you are staying over night to give you access to a 120v plug you can get enough charge over night to possibly get you to the next DCFC charging location. Make up an excuse like "my girlfriend needs to use her hair dryer, or we want to use a hotplate, or coffee maker" and people will generally not balk at something like that, but tell them your charging your car and then things can get weird. Like you said make sure to call. I know living in an EV desert if I roll into a DCFC CCS location and it is down there are NO OTHER OPTIONS. Plan B is to try and find a camp ground with a 30 or 50 amp power drop. Make sure to get adapters for the various types of plugs you might run into. Some camp grounds may not have any 50amp drops available, but my have the 30amp drops which is a different plug. Keep an arsenal of adapters to include the Tesla one with you. Keep open as many options as possible. You cannot assume that the nearest camping site will allow you to charge an EV even if you offer to rent a spot. Make sure your plan b site will actually allow you to charge a car.
I have a TT-30 adapter for the 30 amp campsites. I have had good luck with KOA campgrounds where they will rent you a site with RV power even if you only bring a car. But watch out for the more remote sites, they may not have power at all, but at least you can see all of this from their web site ahead of time.
Good advice. Charging XC40 Recharge at hotel with Tesla HPWCs. Brought my own Tesla J1772 adapter since hotel supplied unit was very beat up. 120 V charging is very useful sometimes.
ABC...Always Be Charging. I drive a Model Y and mine didn't come with the mobile EVSE so I bought one. I also bought a 250kw rated CCS to Tesla adapter. I also have a couple of heavy duty extension cords but I don't typically need them. While I don't have these I'd recommend that if you're going to these camp sites it might be good to have multiple plug adapters for your EVSE. I can't remember all of them but they might have some other configuration other than NEMA 14-50.
As you said, a very helpful addition is the Tesla to J-1772 L2 adapter; I have one from Lectron that works perfectly with my P*2. This way you don’t have to buy a Tesla one.
Good to know we still need to call ahead for places that offer power to paying customers but not EV's. Talk about some serious prejudice to turn away paying customers for an asset/resource they're presumably paying to maintain. WOW!
My experience at three different RV sites makes me think it’s probably more ignorance than prejudice. In planning our road trip we called ahead to 2 of the sites (the 3rd one was Zion NP - good luck on getting in contact with anyone!) and asked about charging the ID.4. None of them had a clue about whether it would work. But I explained what we had as an EVSE, and then they all said it would work with what they had. I don’t know - maybe we were the first ones to inquire about charging an EV at their site. People certainly do have things they “know” about EVs. So it could certainly have been prejudice (which comes out of ignorance).
I've used mine several times, and even at the 110 ohhhh so fun!! I'm so thankful it came with car! Many more places to enjoy the charging where ever us EV owners like to get off in the weeds 💜I've never had an issue w a camp ground, if they have a phone number to call a head, that's what I do! do you guys use ioverlander?!!
We used a similar strategy on our trip to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon in my wife’s 2021 VW ID.4 PRO. We stayed at three RV places, one in Barstow, another oat Jacob Lake (AZ), and the third at Zion NP. All had 50amp outlets for 240v charging which worked out really well! Especially the place at Jacob Lake as there were no DC chargers near the Grand Canyon, and at Zion. But with our RV sites providing overnight charging it wasn’t an issue. So, yes, look into it and call ahead (although don’t be surprised if the proprietors don’t really know what they have…). More options gives greater flexibility, even in areas where DC chargers may be scarce or nonexistent.
My new Tesla didnt come with an EVSE, but I kept the 120v EVSE that came with my Chevy Volt when I traded it in. I never use it but I keep it in my frunk just in case 😁
The Volt evse can accept 240 volts, you will need a plug adaptor, there are TH-cam videos showing how this is done. It will double your charging speed.
Death Valley is super bad for J1772 vehicle, your screwed between Vegas and Tonopah. . I just did that run in my Tesla and it was cake. Death Valley is BEAUTIFUL❤
We have a wall mounted EVSE for our VW ID4 but need an adapter to use it to charge our Tesla Model 3. I was more comfortable using the Tesla Mobile Charger connected to its own NEMA 14-50 to charge the Tesla. If we travel with our Tesla, we'll take the Tesla Mobile Charger. Great video!!
Curious what the explanation was for _why_ they didn’t want you to charge at the RV site? Maybe they were concerned with how much energy the car would need to charge? That might be fairly easy to explain, and you could offer to compensate them for that - offer to pay whatever rate they pay times the battery capacity? Or they’re against EVs, and didn’t want to contribute to modernizing our transportation?
I think it's a combination of two factors: 1) Some campgrounds don't have a particularly good electricity supply, and even if they nominally have 50 amp outlets, somebody actually using all 50 amps causes voltage drops or breaker flips impacting other campers. An RV plugged into the same outlet will typically use nowhere near the full 50 amps. 2) The posted price to rent a campground for the night is based on the average amount of electricity that an RV will use to run A/C and accessories, not drawing max power all night long to charge a car. In theory, both issues could be dealt with by offering to pay for the electricity you actually use and charge at slower speeds, but both require some amount of time and effort on part of the owner to either figure out what a safe speed for you to charge there is, and what a fair price for the electricity should be, given that they don't want to pay the up-front cost of installing individual meters. There are some campground owners that do this and welcome the extra revenue from EV drivers, there are others who simply don't want to bother. This also begs an interesting question of what these campground operators will start doing once the RVs, themselves, become EVs. Will they be denied access to the campground, even if using the electricity only to run accessories like a gas-powered RV?
@@ab-tf5fl makes sense. It’s a lost sale not knowing how to make it work. As you point out, the campground could put a limit on charging rate, although I suspect many EV owners don’t know how to change that setting in their car.
What about those Tesla puck things if you need to change an EV tire on road trips? Assuming you have a spare. For example calling road service to help change the tire. Does every ev driver need those on hand?
@@laloajuria4678 Thanks. So that is only a Tesla thing? If you buy like an Ioniq they can lift the car and change the tire similar to an ICE vehicle without anything extra required from the owner.
Reviewer says “tesla don’t include because they like to keep price lower”. That’s bull. Cheaper Checy bolt EUV comes with this ….. what these reviewers are tesla apologists? Call Tesla out for not including it.
Camping? Woods? Dirt? Long distances away from infrastructure? Yeah I'm taking the gas truck :). Fits the whole family and all the gear and luggage I want in the bed and of course that sweet 700 miles of range readily fillable in rural America. But yeah, definitely always bringing a portable EVSE with the common adapters in the car in the EVs. Can't beat the Tesla mobile connector for size and convenience with Tesla, but J1772 I like the Shell Portable 40A EVSE since it does the full 40A (most portables only do 32A) and lets you select current where needed, comes with a nice case too.
Biggest issue with Tesla’s current mobile connector is that it is limited to 32A. There older gen 1 mobile connectors went to 40A. May be worth it to buy ‘aftermarket’ if you want to max out your 14-50
Be careful about plugging in and charging at rental houses, a friend was told that there would be a $500 fee if they were found to be charging at the house they were renting for a week, even on a 110v charger, this was in the outer banks.
Please use the Correct term. They are called EVSE'S. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment. They are NOT chargers. The AC charger is built in the vehicle. EVSE'S are basically a smart electric cord, NOT a charger. We need to get the names corrected before we have a bunch of dummy that use the wrong terms. Carburetors are not EFI. They do the same function but are NOT the same part. Halfway through you now, call them EVSE'S.
People call the cable and plug that are used to charge a phone “chargers” as well even though it’s just a transformer and cable, the hardware that gets the power into the battery is inside the phone itself. Correcting people who call charging cables “chargers” and demanding they call them EVSEs is pedantic and unnecessary. Obnoxiously correcting people over semantics gives EV drivers a bad look.
When people refer to the EVSE as a charger, we all have the mental capability to understand what the speaker is referring to. There is 0 harm to EVs for using a slightly different name. Lets face it, as more EVs hit the market the term CHARGER will over come EVSE. Saying "Make sure you grab your EVSE..." will not make sense to people and prompted more questions. Easier to just say "Make sure you grab the charger"...
It's pretty unfortunate that RV parks don't seem to understand or be willing to accommodate EV drivers that are happy to be paying customers. Good to hear Gosia's take on the part of the trip.
Even if you can convince a location where you are staying over night to give you access to a 120v plug you can get enough charge over night to possibly get you to the next DCFC charging location. Make up an excuse like "my girlfriend needs to use her hair dryer, or we want to use a hotplate, or coffee maker" and people will generally not balk at something like that, but tell them your charging your car and then things can get weird.
Like you said make sure to call. I know living in an EV desert if I roll into a DCFC CCS location and it is down there are NO OTHER OPTIONS. Plan B is to try and find a camp ground with a 30 or 50 amp power drop. Make sure to get adapters for the various types of plugs you might run into. Some camp grounds may not have any 50amp drops available, but my have the 30amp drops which is a different plug. Keep an arsenal of adapters to include the Tesla one with you. Keep open as many options as possible. You cannot assume that the nearest camping site will allow you to charge an EV even if you offer to rent a spot. Make sure your plan b site will actually allow you to charge a car.
I have a TT-30 adapter for the 30 amp campsites. I have had good luck with KOA campgrounds where they will rent you a site with RV power even if you only bring a car. But watch out for the more remote sites, they may not have power at all, but at least you can see all of this from their web site ahead of time.
Good advice. Charging XC40 Recharge at hotel with Tesla HPWCs. Brought my own Tesla J1772 adapter since hotel supplied unit was very beat up. 120 V charging is very useful sometimes.
ABC...Always Be Charging.
I drive a Model Y and mine didn't come with the mobile EVSE so I bought one. I also bought a 250kw rated CCS to Tesla adapter. I also have a couple of heavy duty extension cords but I don't typically need them.
While I don't have these I'd recommend that if you're going to these camp sites it might be good to have multiple plug adapters for your EVSE. I can't remember all of them but they might have some other configuration other than NEMA 14-50.
that comment aged like fine wine. one year later we have NACS-CCS1 adapters.
As you said, a very helpful addition is the Tesla to J-1772 L2 adapter; I have one from Lectron that works perfectly with my P*2. This way you don’t have to buy a Tesla one.
Good to know we still need to call ahead for places that offer power to paying customers but not EV's. Talk about some serious prejudice to turn away paying customers for an asset/resource they're
presumably paying to maintain. WOW!
My experience at three different RV sites makes me think it’s probably more ignorance than prejudice.
In planning our road trip we called ahead to 2 of the sites (the 3rd one was Zion NP - good luck on getting in contact with anyone!) and asked about charging the ID.4. None of them had a clue about whether it would work. But I explained what we had as an EVSE, and then they all said it would work with what they had. I don’t know - maybe we were the first ones to inquire about charging an EV at their site.
People certainly do have things they “know” about EVs. So it could certainly have been prejudice (which comes out of ignorance).
I've used mine several times, and even at the 110 ohhhh so fun!! I'm so thankful it came with car! Many more places to enjoy the charging where ever us EV owners like to get off in the weeds 💜I've never had an issue w a camp ground, if they have a phone number to call a head, that's what I do! do you guys use ioverlander?!!
We used a similar strategy on our trip to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon in my wife’s 2021 VW ID.4 PRO.
We stayed at three RV places, one in Barstow, another oat Jacob Lake (AZ), and the third at Zion NP. All had 50amp outlets for 240v charging which worked out really well! Especially the place at Jacob Lake as there were no DC chargers near the Grand Canyon, and at Zion. But with our RV sites providing overnight charging it wasn’t an issue.
So, yes, look into it and call ahead (although don’t be surprised if the proprietors don’t really know what they have…).
More options gives greater flexibility, even in areas where DC chargers may be scarce or nonexistent.
My new Tesla didnt come with an EVSE, but I kept the 120v EVSE that came with my Chevy Volt when I traded it in. I never use it but I keep it in my frunk just in case 😁
You have to buy it in the configuration……like for the last year it’s been like that
With the right plug adaptor your Volt evse can accept 240 volt, there are TH-cam videos showing how, this will double the kW rate
The Volt evse can accept 240 volts, you will need a plug adaptor, there are TH-cam videos showing how this is done. It will double your charging speed.
Death Valley is super bad for J1772 vehicle, your screwed between Vegas and Tonopah. . I just did that run in my Tesla and it was cake. Death Valley is BEAUTIFUL❤
We have a wall mounted EVSE for our VW ID4 but need an adapter to use it to charge our Tesla Model 3. I was more comfortable using the Tesla Mobile Charger connected to its own NEMA 14-50 to charge the Tesla. If we travel with our Tesla, we'll take the Tesla Mobile Charger. Great video!!
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Curious what the explanation was for _why_ they didn’t want you to charge at the RV site? Maybe they were concerned with how much energy the car would need to charge? That might be fairly easy to explain, and you could offer to compensate them for that - offer to pay whatever rate they pay times the battery capacity? Or they’re against EVs, and didn’t want to contribute to modernizing our transportation?
Not clear on the legality. If you pay for a space and it has a plug you should be also to use it.
It's generally the idea you're pulling max power for a long period of time. Agree could charge extra but in general most places don't care
I think it's a combination of two factors:
1) Some campgrounds don't have a particularly good electricity supply, and even if they nominally have 50 amp outlets, somebody actually using all 50 amps causes voltage drops or breaker flips impacting other campers. An RV plugged into the same outlet will typically use nowhere near the full 50 amps.
2) The posted price to rent a campground for the night is based on the average amount of electricity that an RV will use to run A/C and accessories, not drawing max power all night long to charge a car.
In theory, both issues could be dealt with by offering to pay for the electricity you actually use and charge at slower speeds, but both require some amount of time and effort on part of the owner to either figure out what a safe speed for you to charge there is, and what a fair price for the electricity should be, given that they don't want to pay the up-front cost of installing individual meters. There are some campground owners that do this and welcome the extra revenue from EV drivers, there are others who simply don't want to bother.
This also begs an interesting question of what these campground operators will start doing once the RVs, themselves, become EVs. Will they be denied access to the campground, even if using the electricity only to run accessories like a gas-powered RV?
@@ab-tf5fl makes sense. It’s a lost sale not knowing how to make it work. As you point out, the campground could put a limit on charging rate, although I suspect many EV owners don’t know how to change that setting in their car.
A lot of FUD out there on EVs! Too many folks listening to talk radio!
Gosia? Is she Polish? Must be. My wife's name is Gosia too. Good choice 😂🇵🇱
😊 enjoyed the video
What about those Tesla puck things if you need to change an EV tire on road trips? Assuming you have a spare. For example calling road service to help change the tire. Does every ev driver need those on hand?
if you own a tesla, yes.
@@laloajuria4678 Thanks. So that is only a Tesla thing? If you buy like an Ioniq they can lift the car and change the tire similar to an ICE vehicle without anything extra required from the owner.
@@patrick7228 rivian as well. Read your manual.
You don't really need the pucks. Just be extra careful
@@Robert-pm6bm Thanks!
Reviewer says “tesla don’t include because they like to keep price lower”. That’s bull. Cheaper Checy bolt EUV comes with this ….. what these reviewers are tesla apologists? Call Tesla out for not including it.
Camping? Woods? Dirt? Long distances away from infrastructure? Yeah I'm taking the gas truck :). Fits the whole family and all the gear and luggage I want in the bed and of course that sweet 700 miles of range readily fillable in rural America.
But yeah, definitely always bringing a portable EVSE with the common adapters in the car in the EVs. Can't beat the Tesla mobile connector for size and convenience with Tesla, but J1772 I like the Shell Portable 40A EVSE since it does the full 40A (most portables only do 32A) and lets you select current where needed, comes with a nice case too.
Biggest issue with Tesla’s current mobile connector is that it is limited to 32A. There older gen 1 mobile connectors went to 40A. May be worth it to buy ‘aftermarket’ if you want to max out your 14-50
True! This is a problem on the higher end 3 and T. Base LFP models only have 32A onboard charger though.
@@iMaxPatten and our unicorn sr my!
Be careful about plugging in and charging at rental houses, a friend was told that there would be a $500 fee if they were found to be charging at the house they were renting for a week, even on a 110v charger, this was in the outer banks.
Read the contract! If you need to charge make a reservation somewhere else!
Tftc
I hope you left a bad review for the campground that rejected you. 🤬
Who are these new people and where’s the chubby guy with glasses?
Please use the Correct term. They are called EVSE'S. Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment. They are NOT chargers. The AC charger is built in the vehicle. EVSE'S are basically a smart electric cord, NOT a charger.
We need to get the names corrected before we have a bunch of dummy that use the wrong terms.
Carburetors are not EFI. They do the same function but are NOT the same part. Halfway through you now, call them EVSE'S.
Please use the correct spelling, it is “called” not “cslled”…….
@@tonys9413 Tony, corrected
People call the cable and plug that are used to charge a phone “chargers” as well even though it’s just a transformer and cable, the hardware that gets the power into the battery is inside the phone itself. Correcting people who call charging cables “chargers” and demanding they call them EVSEs is pedantic and unnecessary. Obnoxiously correcting people over semantics gives EV drivers a bad look.
When people refer to the EVSE as a charger, we all have the mental capability to understand what the speaker is referring to. There is 0 harm to EVs for using a slightly different name. Lets face it, as more EVs hit the market the term CHARGER will over come EVSE. Saying "Make sure you grab your EVSE..." will not make sense to people and prompted more questions. Easier to just say "Make sure you grab the charger"...
@@gregpochet4812 WRONG. EVSE IS SHORTER TO SAY. Less letters to spell. Most of all EVSE is the Correct term.
Are you religious 🤔?
I what FACTS.