I run a really similar build myself all the time, mostly soloing, so I figured I drop a few tips/observations I learned. As for the armor; yes, you should've stayed using the stealth, in which case you play long range snipe since all the weapons pinpoint accurate but the bots miss a lot the further you are from them. About the Rover I have to agree that it is way more effective against bugs, but it still does work on bots aswell it just takes some practice. It can deal with all the small bots, even the jetpack dudes and up to the saw-hand fellas. For anything larger, it does aim center mass so if it's stationary it doesn't do anything, but you can kind of 'dance' around with it yourself to make the Rover bob up and down and side to side as it tries to maintain it's position relative to you. I had quite some medium kills that way, but it really takes a lot of games to practice doing that effectively while you yourself are shooting aswell and it's still partially RNG how the laser of the Rover bounces. Summary about the Rover; if one doesn't mind putting up with that much hustle to make it somewhat effective then it's fine to bring against the bots, if one don't have that patience or time then you really are better off with any bombardment or eagle startagem instead. PS.: My personal choice of the 2 open stratagem slots for this build is for bugs the MG and the Gattling sentries, for bots the 500kg and the 120 barrage.
haha I do indeed! Ty for the shoutout brotha. Appreciate it! Awesome to see someone with you skill using this build against bots. I personally tried this once or twice against them and struggled pretty hard (im more of a bug player tbh), so i was very impressed to see you solo-helldive them with it. Insane stuff totally agree re: switching rover for eagle air strike - definitely gives you more swarm clearing potential against bugs, and yeh rover is pretty useless against bots wp dude. thanks again
would love to see you rock the purifier build in my latest purifier vid.. or at least give the gun another go. I'm absolutely loving it at the moment and really like to see a talented player like yourself rock it in helldive difficulty
Mogz is amazing - you're a legend for giving him a shoutout. He puts so much effort and passion into his vids. Plus always a lovely dude and I'm sure he appreciates it
I would'nt be surprised if they tweeked stealth to make you more noticeable because whenever im not wearing stealth armor its like they find me from miles away now
I believe the reason why Varylia 5 has so many bots is because they’ve deployed more bots to defend construction on that new Exo Suit. Varylia 5 has had INSANE numbers of bots for me as well.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 even with the busted spawn rate, it is nowhere near as bad as Varylia. Probably made worse with the current rate it is added on top of.
Imo the scythe deserves to be better Considering the sickle is also another infinite ammo weapon, it boggles my mind that AH considered the two to be equal. Dps aside, the sickle has a better scope for all range and lower ttk for chaffs due to it shooting bullets. For some stupid reason the scythe also seems to have recoil, like the laser cannon. Imo the scythe should have a better scope, in addition to having a bit more dps. It is more accurate than the sickle yes but having no stagger and a crappy sight means you can neither engage enemies upclose nor reliably snipe targets, and the low dps means you have to be really damn accurate with weakspots. There are just so many design flaws around the weapon, and it shows that its yet another weapon that isnt heavily tested during development.
They could double its damage and it would still barely have more DPS than the Sickle while still having not only less uptime, but a less convenient fire mode for managing heat buildup. It's crazy.
This video is a summary of the roles of Mogz & takibo. The first show your the rope, the second demonstrate it in the most violent way. Love both your content, both of you always demonstrate that weapons works, even the trash tier, in your own ways.
imho the biggest problem with infinite ammo weapons is you end up needing to use grenades and especially stims and since those aren't infinite you're going to end up needing to suck down resupplies regularly anyway.
28:29 Sure you can. When I've used up grenades/stratagems I call in supplies when I need to destroy a fabricator. Call in a resupply or the guard dog, EAT etc right on top. Anything in a pod will destroy a fabricator as it drops through it.
@@TreyDoe And then another hits somewhere nearby and you fly away again. Then again. And again, again, again... I wonder what kind of abyssal idiot thought this was good gameplay...
Best part for me was when you fragged your own rover. In the best of times, I keep getting shot by them while I’m moving and trying to deal with opponents. The backpack shield is a much better choice. Or, just go stealthy and bring another strat to do add’l damage. All in all, great performance with an incredible handicap!
A gun that shoots a laser having recoil definitely makes sense. Every force has an equal and opposite reaction. So for you to exert an immense amount of light, enough to burn through metal, in a beam that big, dont forget *loud* , there's going to be force pushing you back.
Guard dog pairs well with a stagger primary. I love the scythe, it's ttk is very comparable to many other weapons. It requires very accurate firing and maintaining accuracy on face just melts bots.
I think it would be very cool to get a solid laser smg. Personaly i love the ballistic/pummelr/amg against bots. A laser verion would be interesting, done right.
In the first game we had the Tanto, it was a laser SMG with a beam like the scythe, but it was very short range, but it had much better damage, and of course was one handed.
This was one of those runs where you had a larger number of bs deaths than usual. You know its bad when youre getting instantly one tapped while wearing heavy armour lol.
thats some crazy luck at the end? last second on the mission and the satellite was lined up. Really fast inputs to at the end i would have choked that.
The scythe is secretly powerful... One swipe kills jetpack Dbags, it also kills berserkers pretty quick, kills devastators in a couple seconds and can also take down Hulks with use of stun grenades. It would be better with a better scope like the sickle.
Laser canon can deal with hulk, gunship, dropship,any skullheaded bots, turrets and tanks. Yes of course turrets mean walker turrets too. Laser cannon is just silent OP.
I don't know why everyone panics so much when a Factory Strider is on the field. As a player comfortably sitting at level 145, and also someone who ONLY uses Laser Cannon for bots, you don't need any stratagems against the strider. You don't even need to shoot the main cannon at all. Just make sure you have good distance and cover from it. Shoot out the guns on the bottom, then run underneath and concentrate fire on the belly until its dead. Like seriously... Those things stress me out less than a Hulk.
The community doesn't classify it as a "laser" weapon solely because it does not fire a continuous beam. Plus if you look closely, the laser pulses fired do have a slight degree of travel time, which goes against what lasers are in the first place.
Does anyone know how well the dagger sidearm works with the shield? I was thinking about maybe running a similar build with bots but with a pummeler too
The dagger works amazingly well with the ballistic shield. It's a hidden combo as the ballistic shield can block fire from anything that's not a literal cannon or rocket, and the dagger has near limitless ammo. Just mind your heat levels and aim for the head, it works wonders!
idk if MO planets are harder, I feel like you can get lucky with the mission even on MO and it is really easy. I do think that planets after they are 100% liberated or lost get harder. I have tested it and I feel like they are.
The bipods that are meant to be used when prone? And when prone you have far greater recoil control? The mechanic thats been in the game since launch? Nope, never heard of them.
@@Crimnox_Cinder Bipods can be used more than just prone. Going prone gives better recoil control no shit. It called better stability. With a bipod you could mount it while standing and get better recoil. For example on a rock, wall, barrel, etc etc etc. It is very situational but could be useful. If you do go prone your bipod would give little to no recoil but you couldn't move very well. Just like in any other military style shooter or real life. As of right now the bipods dont actually do anything just aesthetic. Come at me with a better comment dipshit.
I have stopped playing til they fix the spawns. I'm only mid so when my friends aren't on I just play difficulty 4 and it can be so completely ludicrous it takes all the fun out of it.
well the laser cannon is a big rod of metal... you need both hands to hold it on shoulder already so at least some swaying is logical albeit the flinch on hit for any laser beam weapon is a big issue dealing continuous damage anyway.
But it isnt always dps, because by that metric the quasar would be abysmal. That said, the scythe has an absolutely atrocious dps anyhow. Needs more love!
@@kevinfromsales6842 i think the scythes damage problem partly stems from the nature of beam weapons. The scythe has a ttk for every single enemy its capable of killing. Weapons with actual projectiles do a certain amount of guaranteed damage when its fired. Effectively, for most chaffs the ttk is zero if weakpoints are struck, since they die instantly. On paper the scythe has a decent ttk (45/350 = 0.128 sec) for all chaffs on headshots, but considering the aforementioned point, this is a straight downgrade. The argument that it has potentially unlimited ammo is also moot because the sickle is similarly so, yet because each bullet does 55 damage the sustained dps is far higher, especially considering how the sickle has an extremely fast fire rate at 750. I dont know how long the scythe can sustain fire for, but the sickle overheats after ( 60 sec*( 100 rounds/750 rpm)) = 8 seconds; for each second, you can fire off 12.5 rounds, totalling to 687.5 damage per second and in all 5500 damage for sustained dps. Assuming the scythe has the same time per heatsink, this is only 350*8=2800... Huh? This is a little over half of what the sickle does! Other issues include the lack of a good scope - why does an AR have a reflex sight with such a huge dot? The scythe would be a lot better with the default AR scope. Another issue is the lack of stagger, which makes using it against enemies in melee extremely ineffective. Bugs, bots, dont matter. Yeah, scythe is shit. No two ways around it.
It’s sad to say this but I’m a Xbox player at heart and have always play on Xbox but I’m going to buy a ps5 just to play this game because Ik that it will never come to Xbox
My infinite build is better. You just throw your grenade and on your final grende tap the strategem menu. You will be throwing grenades left and right.
@@TroyBrophy Nah, that's just a fact. Less people are playing Helldivers so less people are probably watching Helldivers content. I watched the video and I still play nearly every day but facts are facts.
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Correction: He calls this build the "Walking Laser God" not the "Infinite build", mistake on my part.
I run a really similar build myself all the time, mostly soloing, so I figured I drop a few tips/observations I learned.
As for the armor; yes, you should've stayed using the stealth, in which case you play long range snipe since all the weapons pinpoint accurate but the bots miss a lot the further you are from them.
About the Rover I have to agree that it is way more effective against bugs, but it still does work on bots aswell it just takes some practice. It can deal with all the small bots, even the jetpack dudes and up to the saw-hand fellas. For anything larger, it does aim center mass so if it's stationary it doesn't do anything, but you can kind of 'dance' around with it yourself to make the Rover bob up and down and side to side as it tries to maintain it's position relative to you. I had quite some medium kills that way, but it really takes a lot of games to practice doing that effectively while you yourself are shooting aswell and it's still partially RNG how the laser of the Rover bounces. Summary about the Rover; if one doesn't mind putting up with that much hustle to make it somewhat effective then it's fine to bring against the bots, if one don't have that patience or time then you really are better off with any bombardment or eagle startagem instead.
PS.: My personal choice of the 2 open stratagem slots for this build is for bugs the MG and the Gattling sentries, for bots the 500kg and the 120 barrage.
haha I do indeed!
Ty for the shoutout brotha. Appreciate it!
Awesome to see someone with you skill using this build against bots. I personally tried this once or twice against them and struggled pretty hard (im more of a bug player tbh), so i was very impressed to see you solo-helldive them with it. Insane stuff
totally agree re: switching rover for eagle air strike - definitely gives you more swarm clearing potential against bugs, and yeh rover is pretty useless against bots
wp dude. thanks again
you did shoot four EAT's. 4 shots fired, 270 kills...you are a god!! lol
would love to see you rock the purifier build in my latest purifier vid.. or at least give the gun another go. I'm absolutely loving it at the moment and really like to see a talented player like yourself rock it in helldive difficulty
Rover is actively detrimental vs metal...after clearing one area it sweeps it's laser across the plains pulling aggro all over the place
the Guard dog rover is a 'good boy'
Mogz is amazing - you're a legend for giving him a shoutout. He puts so much effort and passion into his vids. Plus always a lovely dude and I'm sure he appreciates it
I would'nt be surprised if they tweeked stealth to make you more noticeable because whenever im not wearing stealth armor its like they find me from miles away now
26:53 love that little guy coming at you from the left then gets headshot by friendly fire 😆
I believe the reason why Varylia 5 has so many bots is because they’ve deployed more bots to defend construction on that new Exo Suit. Varylia 5 has had INSANE numbers of bots for me as well.
It's because they are trying to build a petafactory. Super earth wants to claim the petafactory and use it to remake the old war emancipator exosuit
If thats youre rationale, hey more power to you. Realistically, its probably because spawn rate hasnt been fixed!
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 no, they literally said this in game
@@sturmmagnunstein1008are you stupid? You must be joking
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 even with the busted spawn rate, it is nowhere near as bad as Varylia. Probably made worse with the current rate it is added on top of.
Imo the scythe deserves to be better Considering the sickle is also another infinite ammo weapon, it boggles my mind that AH considered the two to be equal. Dps aside, the sickle has a better scope for all range and lower ttk for chaffs due to it shooting bullets. For some stupid reason the scythe also seems to have recoil, like the laser cannon.
Imo the scythe should have a better scope, in addition to having a bit more dps. It is more accurate than the sickle yes but having no stagger and a crappy sight means you can neither engage enemies upclose nor reliably snipe targets, and the low dps means you have to be really damn accurate with weakspots. There are just so many design flaws around the weapon, and it shows that its yet another weapon that isnt heavily tested during development.
Even it just having the Scythe/AR scope would help it so much.
Scythe needs a much longer up time, because it's just a worse sickle at this point
Scythe is just shit. The whole its got infinite ammo argument so it needs a shitty damage model crumbles when the sickle also exists.
They could double its damage and it would still barely have more DPS than the Sickle while still having not only less uptime, but a less convenient fire mode for managing heat buildup. It's crazy.
This video is a summary of the roles of Mogz & takibo. The first show your the rope, the second demonstrate it in the most violent way.
Love both your content, both of you always demonstrate that weapons works, even the trash tier, in your own ways.
I remember reading somewhere that gunships will actively attempt to crash on top of you when shot down.
I really doubt that since they will go whichever direction you shoot them
Thematically I love the laser backpack with this build, but do to the longer ttk with the lasers the shield backpack is vital imo.
Save the rovers for bugs. For any precision weapon build you need a shield backpack to let you aim consistently.
imho the biggest problem with infinite ammo weapons is you end up needing to use grenades and especially stims and since those aren't infinite you're going to end up needing to suck down resupplies regularly anyway.
Its an illusion of infinite, for sure, but it is still 1 less resource to worry about. Still has its perks.
The problem with the laser build is you have to tank hits and when there are so many bots it gets real hairy. Great video.
28:29 Sure you can. When I've used up grenades/stratagems I call in supplies when I need to destroy a fabricator. Call in a resupply or the guard dog, EAT etc right on top. Anything in a pod will destroy a fabricator as it drops through it.
Also Railcannon Strike, wasteful perhaps, but it will destroy the Fabricators with ease.
Oh yeah, forgot he had that with him.
@@SimoWill75 Apparently so did he, although at that point he had just used it...
The ragdolling in bot games is completely out of control...
Seriously, if a rocket hits anywhere within a few feet of me, my guy flies away
@@TreyDoe And then another hits somewhere nearby and you fly away again. Then again. And again, again, again...
I wonder what kind of abyssal idiot thought this was good gameplay...
would be awesome for a heavy armour to negate or remove ragdoll
I swear the amount I struggle on Varylia 5 makes me feel like I’m back in my first few weeks of playing on Molevelon Creek
Yea rover works well in bug missions, but you sacrifice the shield for it. Shield is the meta fr
Best part for me was when you fragged your own rover. In the best of times, I keep getting shot by them while I’m moving and trying to deal with opponents. The backpack shield is a much better choice. Or, just go stealthy and bring another strat to do add’l damage.
All in all, great performance with an incredible handicap!
spawn rate was high for bots across the board at the time of the video. It was clearly stated in the dispatches that there is increased resistance.
The guard dog rover is exclusively for group play to encourage your teammates to keep their distance
A gun that shoots a laser having recoil definitely makes sense. Every force has an equal and opposite reaction. So for you to exert an immense amount of light, enough to burn through metal, in a beam that big, dont forget *loud* , there's going to be force pushing you back.
Light has no mass.
@@Crimnox_Cinder but it does have momentum.
Guard dog pairs well with a stagger primary.
I love the scythe, it's ttk is very comparable to many other weapons. It requires very accurate firing and maintaining accuracy on face just melts bots.
I think it would be very cool to get a solid laser smg. Personaly i love the ballistic/pummelr/amg against bots. A laser verion would be interesting, done right.
In the first game we had the Tanto, it was a laser SMG with a beam like the scythe, but it was very short range, but it had much better damage, and of course was one handed.
@@Crimnox_Cinder did they have a pistol sickle? Or sickle smg?
Flinch perk at some point would be so good for automotans
I'd call this the Federation Build, it's like watching a Star Trek ship light up all it's phaser strips.
This was one of those runs where you had a larger number of bs deaths than usual. You know its bad when youre getting instantly one tapped while wearing heavy armour lol.
I’d like to see this build against bugs
4 shots fired, 4 shots hit. I'm thinking the lasers don't count and that's only the expendable launchers.
thats some crazy luck at the end? last second on the mission and the satellite was lined up. Really fast inputs to at the end i would have choked that.
31:47 Not today!!!
The scythe is secretly powerful... One swipe kills jetpack Dbags, it also kills berserkers pretty quick, kills devastators in a couple seconds and can also take down Hulks with use of stun grenades. It would be better with a better scope like the sickle.
With factories you can use your expendable anti tank drop itself and throw it at the entrance and the airdrop will kill it for you.
Laser canon can deal with hulk, gunship, dropship,any skullheaded bots, turrets and tanks. Yes of course turrets mean walker turrets too. Laser cannon is just silent OP.
It would make for an interesting comparison to now run the same loadout vs. bugs.
I know you exclusively do solo. But it’d be super dope to do a stealth mission with a duo
do you mean stealth armor as the light armor with the scout passives?
I don't know why everyone panics so much when a Factory Strider is on the field.
As a player comfortably sitting at level 145, and also someone who ONLY uses Laser Cannon for bots, you don't need any stratagems against the strider.
You don't even need to shoot the main cannon at all. Just make sure you have good distance and cover from it. Shoot out the guns on the bottom, then run underneath and concentrate fire on the belly until its dead. Like seriously... Those things stress me out less than a Hulk.
I need to try that laser cannon. It seems pretty good. Scythe over sickle? Naaah even in hd1 sickle was my favorite after justice
I don't understand why the sickle is not considered a laser weapon by a lot of players, its an energy weapon just like the scythe and laser cannon
The community doesn't classify it as a "laser" weapon solely because it does not fire a continuous beam. Plus if you look closely, the laser pulses fired do have a slight degree of travel time, which goes against what lasers are in the first place.
Jesus dude this gets comical halfway through. Which is a little relieving because its much more similar to how my solo helldives look
It only considered the EATs as shots fired.
Major creek vibes
Maybe I just like my life to be difficult in Helldivers 2 -> But I'm a fan of the heavy medic amor in Solo. It's just soooo hectic 😂
I would like to see tier lists on your channel, idk i dont like to watch other hd2 youtubers
Does anyone know how well the dagger sidearm works with the shield? I was thinking about maybe running a similar build with bots but with a pummeler too
The dagger works amazingly well with the ballistic shield. It's a hidden combo as the ballistic shield can block fire from anything that's not a literal cannon or rocket, and the dagger has near limitless ammo. Just mind your heat levels and aim for the head, it works wonders!
Major order is at 95% let's go, I've played all day four days straight.
I would swap the guard dog for the resupply back pack
idk if MO planets are harder, I feel like you can get lucky with the mission even on MO and it is really easy. I do think that planets after they are 100% liberated or lost get harder. I have tested it and I feel like they are.
Can we talk about how the machine guns have bipods that don't work?
The bipods that are meant to be used when prone? And when prone you have far greater recoil control? The mechanic thats been in the game since launch? Nope, never heard of them.
@@Crimnox_Cinder Bipods can be used more than just prone. Going prone gives better recoil control no shit. It called better stability. With a bipod you could mount it while standing and get better recoil. For example on a rock, wall, barrel, etc etc etc. It is very situational but could be useful. If you do go prone your bipod would give little to no recoil but you couldn't move very well. Just like in any other military style shooter or real life. As of right now the bipods dont actually do anything just aesthetic. Come at me with a better comment dipshit.
27:30 "Is the major order planet harder?"
No that's just Joel been a dick
Night vision please devs? I cannot see Jack 😁
Would be funny to have people submit their WORST builds imaginable and see if you can still beat lvl 9.
No sickle on the build??
W build
I have stopped playing til they fix the spawns. I'm only mid so when my friends aren't on I just play difficulty 4 and it can be so completely ludicrous it takes all the fun out of it.
well the laser cannon is a big rod of metal... you need both hands to hold it on shoulder already so at least some swaying is logical albeit the flinch on hit for any laser beam weapon is a big issue dealing continuous damage anyway.
Plasma purifier probably has the lowest dps if I were to guess.
But it isnt always dps, because by that metric the quasar would be abysmal. That said, the scythe has an absolutely atrocious dps anyhow. Needs more love!
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 I agree. Needs like 400 or 425 dps then it would be usable. Not that its the worst weapon in the game now but still.
@@kevinfromsales6842 i think the scythes damage problem partly stems from the nature of beam weapons. The scythe has a ttk for every single enemy its capable of killing. Weapons with actual projectiles do a certain amount of guaranteed damage when its fired. Effectively, for most chaffs the ttk is zero if weakpoints are struck, since they die instantly. On paper the scythe has a decent ttk (45/350 = 0.128 sec) for all chaffs on headshots, but considering the aforementioned point, this is a straight downgrade. The argument that it has potentially unlimited ammo is also moot because the sickle is similarly so, yet because each bullet does 55 damage the sustained dps is far higher, especially considering how the sickle has an extremely fast fire rate at 750. I dont know how long the scythe can sustain fire for, but the sickle overheats after ( 60 sec*( 100 rounds/750 rpm)) = 8 seconds; for each second, you can fire off 12.5 rounds, totalling to 687.5 damage per second and in all 5500 damage for sustained dps. Assuming the scythe has the same time per heatsink, this is only 350*8=2800... Huh? This is a little over half of what the sickle does!
Other issues include the lack of a good scope - why does an AR have a reflex sight with such a huge dot? The scythe would be a lot better with the default AR scope. Another issue is the lack of stagger, which makes using it against enemies in melee extremely ineffective. Bugs, bots, dont matter.
Yeah, scythe is shit. No two ways around it.
It’s sad to say this but I’m a Xbox player at heart and have always play on Xbox but I’m going to buy a ps5 just to play this game because Ik that it will never come to Xbox
21:28 It's ok i forgive you, it takes time to lose habits but please minimise....
W upload
The rover is pointless against bots and terrible for solo stealth runs. It can be awesome in solo bug runs though.
My infinite build is better. You just throw your grenade and on your final grende tap the strategem menu. You will be throwing grenades left and right.
Does this still work?
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Stop trying to post positive publicity for the game until they relist the 100+ countries on steam
52 views in 5 minutes, bro fell off
You can always tell a Helldiver...always looking for evidence that things are going badly.
About half the player population bailed this week so they're probably not watching Helldiver's content anymore either.
@@MDestron2282 another one
@@TroyBrophy Nah, that's just a fact. Less people are playing Helldivers so less people are probably watching Helldivers content. I watched the video and I still play nearly every day but facts are facts.
@@MDestron2282 my point is that I've never seen another game where players take so much interest in monitoring its declining player count.