As a current student pilot, who just completed my solo cross country’s, the controllers/towers attitude has a huge impact. I was pretty nervous landing on my cross country solo at KSBD, the ATC was very calm and cool and it instantly made me feel more relaxed. Big thanks to all the patient and kind controllers around the world, y’all are the best!
@@evanharness2850 Yeah first one was to KHMT, Second was to KSBD (Coming from Montgomery Feild KMYF) it was very funny landing a Piper Archer on a 10,000 ft runway
100% agree, this controller did a fantastic job all around. Attitude makes a huge difference. The pilot sounded too green to know that "left-bound" isn't a thing, but he should have been aware of the class bravo south of him. Great job by Kelsey of explaining everything, as usual. Good learning experience for everyone.
I used to do line service at SBD! The controllers there are outstanding! I love how small the aviation community is 😄 congrats on your solo. I used to love listening to the radios and heading outside to flag down students on their solo because they'd always get lost.
I really liked hearing this interaction. The pilot you can tell is open and knows he is green, and the ATC calms him down tells him get there safe and give me a call.
Except it is a recorded line and they are trying to coax a confession out of you that you screwed up and they did not. Call them if you like, but admit nothing.
@@JAleksandrI was going to say the same thing. It’s not your decision to call or not. If they give you a number you have to call it as soon as you’ve parked.
Hey Kelsey, I really appreciate all your content. Please keep up the good work! A little fun fact about me: I'm currently a 40 year old student pilot working on my PPL, and my flight instructor is actually a 747 Captain and Check Airman for your airline and has flown with you before. His name is Chris G, and we fly out of KYNG. He showed me a selfie you guys took together, and I recognized you instantly. He speaks very highly of you as well, both as a professional pilot and a person. You should feel proud. Thanks again for all the content, and keep up the great work. Happy landings!
wow thats great to have him as an instructor who has some real world flying experience. It is definitely a balance doing social media and work but I try to be just a normal crew member at work cause they are totally different "jobs" and I would be very annoyed if I was a crew member having to work extra cause some social media guy was busy taking selfies instead of doing his job haha
@@B1g_Salad T&G isn't there anymore. To my knowledge, they're only at Burke Lakefront now. (KBKL.) I belong to a flying club called the Western Reserve Flight Center at YNG. It's a great place, I absolutely love the people there.
@@74gear He's an amazing instructor, and definitely is a wealth of knowledge. I told him I'm a huge fan of your channel, and he thought it was the coolest thing that he was able to fly with you. His daughter is also a pilot who recently passed her CPL checkride and is a huge fan of your channel. So you've got quite a following around KYNG!
Kelsey, aviation is very similar to the medical/nursing profession. I always told my new nurses when they started to never hesitate to clarify an order, or ask a question if you were unsure. Both of our professions are about keeping people alive, so there’s no shame in clarifying ANYTHING. Love your channel.😎
My wife is an MD. The nurse and the pharmacist are the last lines of safety. If the doctor's order does not appear to make sense, ask for a clarification. Sometimes it was a misunderstanding or a miskey.
Aviation has nothing to do with keeping people alive, that's just a side effect in the majority of cases. A large portion of military aviation is actually focused on killing people, both in the air and on the ground. Civilian aviation is about transporting people and/or cargo from one place to another through the air.
@@MikeDCWeldYeah, all that stuff is just a waste of time. No need for pilots to have licenses or physicals or ATC to exist or planes to need air worthiness certificates. All those regulations are a bother and no need to have plane parts to be certified and those seatbelts/oxygen masks/evacuation doors/slides, no need for NTSB to investigate crashes, etc, etc, etc, etc aren’t really necessary. Actually, besides a nuclear power plant, I can’t think of any industry that is as highly regulated as the aviation industry and the purpose of all these regulations is so fewer people are killed. The public and aviation industry really don’t want ‘daily’ air disasters that kill hundreds of people.
Kelsey, I am sure it was not the same controller but in 1974 I was a student pilot and was attempting a touch and go at Orlando International. I always used "student pilot" when talking to ATC. I accidently set up to land at McCoy Air Force base 10 miles south of Orlando airport. He called me back and ask a few questions on things I could see out the window and quickly vectored me out of that air space and into Orlando airport. He asked me to not call but come up and visit him in the tower. I did and he was very nice and gave me a quick tour of the facility. Never said anything about my mistake. I'm sure today you would not get that type of invite due to safety concerns. And finally he said to check out the jet I parked next to that the call sign was AP - 1 which stood for Arnold Palmer 1. All in all a great day for a student pilot and a good learning experience with ATC. Thanks for posting and take care!
Nice! Funny thing about that now, though, is that if you were trying to land at Orlando International and you lined up on McCoy, you'd be going to exactly the right place. :) What was the original Orlando commercial airport is now the Orlando Executive that this guy was flying out of and McCoy Air Force Base became the new Orlando International Airport (hence the location identifier still being MCO.) It was actually later that same year that you flew there that McCoy was turned over to the city of Orlando to transition from a joint civil-military airport to civilian only.
My husband was a 50-year VFR pilot before he died in 2015. I enjoy your videos as they bring back memories - he actually enjoyed living on the flight path to Ohio State University Don Scott field - he ALWAYS looked up when he heard a plane overhead. His most memorable landing, and one of the best he always said, was an off-field landing in Hays, KS. I wish there would have been a video, but I have photos of the newspaper article and of him standing next to the plane. I’ll send if you like. Keep the blue side up!
Sweet memories, Suzanne. Among my aviation friends out at our small airfield, a conversation will stop - literally mid-sentence - as we all pause to watch an aircraft scoot by on takeoff or landing, and then we pick right back up where we left off. Was the off-field due to an engine failure, I assume?
I've been thanked by ATC for asking for clarification on an instruction far more than annoyance! BTW, it was super exciting to meet you in an airport as I was waiting for my commute home. Keep up the good work.
It's probably me, but talking to NYC while flying through the Bravo, I repeatedly asked for "say again". It felt awkward and granted: I'm a rookie, it was my first time in the Bravo, and I learned at a pilot controlled airport. But ATC was accommodating and considerate. And I went with an instructor as a backup. I realized, then that I need to get me a noise canceling headset. My David Clark were great for learning, but I need to upgrade. Especially as my hearing dwindles.
I had the same experience, and unfortunately it's when you're a new student and have the hardest time of your life just communicating that you get the crappiest headset and can't hear a thing. Instructors who always have the most expensive NC headsets for themselves need to be more aware of this.
Totally agree, it made such a huge difference. Back when I flew in the US, they were just appearing on the market. There was a company that you sent your DCs to and they would convert them to n.c. Wow, night and day. Especially for IFR!
Any recommandation for a good noise cancelling headset? I'm just starting out as a student pilot and what I fear the most is not being able to hear my instructor and ATC clearly. Sometimes I can't tell if I'm stupid and not understanding them or simply not hearing right. Having a good headset will definitely clear that doubt xD
Radio traffic is always a bit suspect, even on good days. I worked my career as a firefighter, and one day I got a call for "a fall victim". I radioed back, asking for staging location, thinking he said "assault victim", which requires police protection. The dispatcher was mildly confused, and I was mildly embarrassed on the air. Oh well.
Good example. "Left" and "West" can be virtually indistinguishable over a bandwidth-limited aviation radio channel. However, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the term "Bound", in normal english usage, is never used with "left" or "right", and in aviation, is only associated with the various compass directions. Perhaps to a completely fluent and sharp English speaker, that would have been a clue that ATC's direction was certainly NOT "Leftbound"; however with a little less linguistic sharpness on the part of the receiver, it seems it was interpreted as "Leftbound".
I'm a current student pilot who just recently completed their first solo & solo xc flights and I actually did them both on this Cessna 172N N114FA. At this point in my training, I was very well-aware of the KMCO bravo shelf that is off to the south of the Executive airport KORL, which is the airport we train at. It is very alarming to me that this individual did not realize he was clearly turning directly into the restricted Class B airspace as it is very much talked about with your instructors many, many times. Situational awareness is very crucial in this environment.
I’m not a pilot, but I used to live in Orlando and was VERY aware of the airspace for each airport. You could clearly see the patterns for each airport. It’s inconceivable that this guy would turn right into MCO airspace. I knew this even before I became a TH-cam pilot expert. 😁
The way you say "What's up 74 crew! My name is Kelsey" is so happy and genuine, it makes me feel like a kindergartener and puts a big dumb smile on my face. You rock
Kudos to the controller! Way to stay calm, and I'd wage you're probably the mentor type. I totally dig the good approach with the young pilot. Absolute lad and professional right there! To the young pilot, I hope you were able to brush off the rattling and learn from it. We live and we learn, and everyone's gotta start from somewhere, so I wish you the best of luck and best wishes on your future endeavors! You'll do great! Godspeed, boys!
I can totally understand. I got disoriented on my first checkride and flew over Teterboro. My instructor actually waited until I admitted I was lost. I was trying in vain to use VOR's to figure out where I was. Fortunately that wasn't BRAVO airspace though. And yeah, the key when you make a mistake is to say sorry...haha
Kelsey, IRL controller here… you know a lot more about ATC than most pilots I’ve talked to. I’m always pleased to hear pilots when the my actually going on haha
Kelsey, I don’t need an instructor anymore, but when I did, I would’ve loved to had this kind of explanation and this kind of information available to me when I was working on my private. You’re a great teacher man! Thank you.
@@toddsmith8608 but CFI’s like Kelsey are hard to come by. I understand everything he’s saying, but never have I seen it explained so well. ATP or no ATP, that guy can really teach.
Good advice about asking to clarify, I retired from nursing after 47 years, followed that advice till retirement. Far better to be safe. Like you, huge respect for calm Controller with distracted pilot.
I had a Class B bust myself. I took off from San Carlos, CA, which is under the San Francisco Class B. I had done my self-briefing which included "level off at [whatever altitude]". I wasn't paying attention, though, and the controller said "Cessna such-and-such, altitude indicates XXXX". I knew instantly what that meant. I chopped the throttle and pushed it over. Nothing more was said.
Hi Kelsey, in the suburbs; kids are expected to ride their bikes on the stroad every day to get to school. In rush hour, with no sidewalks. This is in fact normal. Maybe petition your local reps 5:12
I work as a rail controller, this discussion helps me to remember how I need to work with my operators. It isn't quite as critical, as trains are more restricted in their movements, but the rules and philosophy are still there.
My father and grandfather were both locomotive engineers. I have some interesting momentos of their work - before rail controllers, the crew would know to, for instance, cut their speed when they passed a certain tree along the right of way. Engineers once carried the letters from the yard masters stating they had passed the exam allowing them entrance to the Chicago area. No electronic databases then.
The main one where railways are very strict is when it comes to movement authority. As with air traffic control this will involve clear standard phraseology and read backs. Trains are more restricted in their movement, but there are still plenty of cases where incorrect movements can cause conflicts, and trains running at anything like a high speed are effectively in instrument conditions (since there is no chance to react visually to a conflict).
@@ChrisCooper312 My system is lucky in that we have TWC indications for all the trains in our system We know when anything is shunting the track. All tracks are normally one directional (two track layout.) But you are absolutely correct in the exact phrasing and readbacks.
Oh dude. I love the last transmission. Made me almost spit out my drink. Poor dude that made the plane aboard take off. Must have really needed to go to the restroom.
Thanks Kelsey, great run through. The way the traffic controller handled it is a great lesson for small through to large businesses. Don't get angry, talk it through and teach at the right time, then lastly ask and commit to what do we do to avoid this happening again.
I remember being a new pilot flying with my dad in the 80's and being terrified of flying into KMIA airspace. Listening to this was just awesome. That ATC was just awesome to the guy.
Great job by the controller through the whole situation especially de-escalating the situation. I’ve heard a lot of these tapes where it goes the opposite way where one or both sides of the radio insist on turning the heat up even more.
"There is no left-bound in aviation." True, but it reminds me of a conversation I had in Iraq many years ago. I was working at a ground station, talking to an ISR pilot. The ISR plane would spend its entire mission orbiting around one target on the ground... hours and hours of a left-hand turn. They had sensors on-board that pointed to the left. Anyway, I asked the pilot for his heading, and he said, "Left." I got the joke.
I was in the Air Force and was with AWACS back in the early 90’s. Once we arrived to wherever we were assigned to be we would loiter there for hours to control that airspace. This would typically be done by flying a big oval, like a racetrack. So we flew a “left” heading a LOT.
@@srcastic8764 How much NASCAR did you guys watch for your training? =P Seriously though, thanks to both of you for your service. Regardless of what country you served with, we're all allies so I'm grateful to all who served. Not just my Canadian countrymen.
@@livelyupmyself1 except that wouldn’t make any sense, regular directions (^v) are relative to each person, whereas the cardinal directions (N,S,E,W) are constant (like a lot of people it took me a while to figure out as a kid, I always thought the direction I was facing was north, but now as an adult I almost always know which direction is north wherever I’m at, the only time I regularly get confused is when I come out of subway/underground metro stations in big cities), if you used the same words for both things would get confusing fast, not to mention that up and down could mean both north and forward/south and backward , but also a positive or negative change in altitude. To summarize, it sounds like it would just be a never ending mess of “your left or my left?”, “who’s on first?”-style shenanigans.
There is a lot going on when you are learning to fly plus you might be nervous. Brief in detail, know your space, study the maps etc all apply. Assume nothing will go the way it usually does and pay attention. Kelsey gives loads of good advice IMHO. Asking for clarification is not a crime. Don’t compare your chapter 1 of flying with others who might be on chapter 20. It’s ok to be the new guy.
Wish I had that ATC person when I got the #. I was early in my IFR training and was under the hood planning to do a missed approach approach at KGON in Connecticut. I flew the approach and went missed (I still wasn’t comfy under the hood). Tower gave me a turn I wasn’t expecting because it was contrary to the missed approach procedure so I started to follow the procedure and she gave me a small dressing down and had me change frequencies to NY ATC. Well, did I get a freakin earful. My god it was so egregious that my CFII (who was also confused with the original tower order) said he never heard such treatment on air. Controller said so you want to do holds? Then he had me go to the hold point and begin holding. I had not done a hold before and this would have been a lesson on entry and navigating the pattern. I did not have any fancy instruments to show me the pattern. I was completely frazzled by now and my instructor said to hang in. After 3 horrible circuits, the controller had me Chang altitude which, naturally, increased my workload. A few more circuits and he told me to descent. I was completely humiliated and I developed a bad headache. My instructor asked me what I wanted to do and I just cancelled my IFR clearance. That’s when I got the phone #. I was feeling like a failure and we copied and I flew VFR home to KHPN. My instructor said he had to call Ashe was responsible for me. My CFII asked them to pull the tapes because the controller was so nasty and unprofessional. Nothing became of it, but my confidence was shaken and I couldn’t go back to fly for two weeks or so until I came to my senses. I can see how students or low hour pilots might leave aviation. BTW, I let the controller know I was just learning the IFR and I had apologized, but he was just vindictive. Sorry for the long response but this happened to me in 2001 and it still is embedded in my brain. Thanks Kelsey for this video.
Trainied at Orlando Executive and those controllers are great! Tons of flight training going on in that area so there’s a lot things happening. That MCO Bravo is right there so one wrong turn and ooops. Another great video thank you!!
Iam 8 hours into my private pilot license. Kelsey I just wanted to say thank you for all you cover on this channel. It's not only educational, funny, and well rounded but it also gives you a good look into the commercial aviation community.
Definitely felt for the pilot - he could do with updating his children’s edition of, ‘100 Excuses to turn to when you’ve messed up’. His was up there with, ‘the dog ate my homework’. Another great video from ‘74’.
Ah yes, the classic west-left confusion. Happened to me once, taking off to the north, got clearance for a west-turn ("After takeoff turn west, climb xxx ft", which is uncommon, since they normally tell you to go left or right depending on inbound traffic and glider activity). I understood and read back turn left, never got corrected. Luckily left and west is the same in this scenario. Only found out after listening to the recording. Called the tower, turns out they were not aware that I read back left and assumed I said west.
You are great! Loved when you said, communicate and "you'll never get violated." Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
Great video. Very entertaining. As far as heading to the lavatory on the plane while boarding, don't forget about us that are on a short layover that rush to the gate and don't have time to go to the restroom before getting on the plane.
I received my flight training at a small tower controlled airport west of Calgary. So I was pretty comfortable with the radio. My instructor took us Calgary International one day to show me what it was like. After listening to the approach frequency on the way in, I have to say my heart rate took a jump when calling them up. Good experience though. Also not used to the long and wide runway which completely messed up my landings. Thanks for the great content Kelsey.
I learned at a Class B (Andrews AFB) mixed in with F-8’s, F16’s, C141’s, the occasional C5, helicopters, the aero club, GulfStreams, Air Force One, and even the Blue Angels one day. As a low time pilot (90 hours) my first check ride at a small uncontrolled airport on the west coast after I left the military was interesting. The check pilot said “I usually take check rides over to the towered airport but I think we can skip that. What’s this entry about the Blue Angles?” His only concern was local pattern and wondering if I could actually land on a runway only 35’ wide since almost all my time was in a 200x8000 runway. LOL
I watch this channel because I have an extreme fear of flying. I actually learned to hid it pretty well when my company started flying me on weekends to so I could be in a certain place on Monday. I remember the first time I fell asleep on an airplane and that was a big deal to me. I got to were I could read a book instead of watch video's on my laptop. To say the least, this fear is very real to some people. I said all that to say. I think if I was on a plane and saw Kelsey board as part of the crew. I might actually be able exhale at some point during the flight.
I have been in your shoes and boy do I know exactly how that feels. I'm happy it's getting better for ya. Research helps so much - it helped me a lot. I used to be afraid to even research about aviation, haha. It is all about taking baby steps. You never know... someday you may have your pilot's license or something like that :)
My sister had the same fear, it’s so hard to ween of a fear of flying when it’s so easily avoidable, but a couple flights and now she can anticipate turbulence and at least brace haha
@@samtilden4452 You just have to change your frame of reference. You wouldn't go on a boat and thing "why is a wave making us bob?" Air is the same, it has all these baby pockets that you can surf over, and nothing bad will happen. Just like how a boat doesn't sink when it's choppy waves.
I used to have fear of flying too .. major airlines offer very good courses to help with it .. i took the course with Swiss and it cured me and helped me understand how everything works, including the infamous turbulences.
Thank you for that restroom-before-boarding "instruction". I will show it to my husband next time he's gonna be grumpy because I go to the restroom the minute the boarding starts (because I know the boarding will take more time than I need; to go quickly right there in the airport).
a tip for people having trouble hearing, speak slower when asking for clarification, and be specific about what is unclear. sometimes it will get the guy on the other end to speak more clearly and not rattle off a bunch of unnecessary chatter. (but not always) early in the week, it took me three tries to get somebody to give me an "affirmative" that I could hear when I asked to confirm we were standing down.
So as a little kid my very first flight was on a 747 and it became my favorite aircraft to this day- This morning I watched the documentary about the 747 and the struggles that Boeing had to deliver this marvelous marvel. it made me love it, even more, what a special, special aircraft you fly- As always great video, and continue to have the time of your life.
How funny to see Orlando Executive. I’ve actually flown left hand traffic patterns at that airport. Well, my daughter was flying the patterns 😂 She trained in a very quiet airport, so when she took off and made her first left hand turn, she was face to face with the traffic for MCO. Obviously they were no factor, but she had never seen landing lights of passenger jets coming at her before. Fwiw, the ATC was great with my newly minted pilot daughter. Very patient and clear. She had no problems and did 5 touch and gos - she even got some night landings in (thus the shocking lights coming at her in the sky).
Violations happen all the time. That was a good controller to just put him at ease and let him know they needed to talk. Sometimes the call isn't to blame pilots it's to clarify something we might be saying that is easily confused.
Yes, radios can be difficult some times. Somebody says one thing and you hear something else. I remember a few years ago, a colleague of mine had to go to the toilet. No sooner was he in there when they announced boarding. We waited and waited for him until there was just about nobody left to board. I told my other colleague to go to the gate and explain to them that we were all there and persuade them to keep the gate open until he was finished. In the meanwhile, I went into the rest room and told him to get the F*** out of that toilet NOW unless he wanted to spend the night in there. Fortunately my other colleague was very persuasive and all of us made our flight. We were the last ones board by far.
When I worked the tower at TEB, this kind of thing happened way more than anyone would have thought possible. Saw many a corporate jet bust the altitude on the Runway 19 Dalton departure and get too close for comfort with a EWR arrival!
I have nothing to do with aviation and I started watching this channel because I love to fly as a passenger. I love this content because, as a psychotherapist, I absolutely appreciate the attitude of cooperation, transparent communication and taking care of each other, all with a sense of humor that soothes moments of tension. I wish I was a "technical" person because I can see that our humanity comes out in solving such kind of problems :)
Aviation/ATC is truly a career field where begging for forgiveness is not better than asking for permission. The airport I work at has 3 runways and to depart from the main runway, you have to make at least 1 (and at most 4) runway crossings! I'm glad to hear a pilot ask to confirm. It means he is being cautious and is playing by the rule of "If you are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure I said cross, hold short and ask again" rule.
Your lesson about clarification applies not just in aviation, but in all matters. I just made the mistake of buying the wrong piece of furniture, with the assistance of an IKEA assistant because I did not clarify.
Kelsey always the man for this stuff. Super professional - but very humble, always acknowledging his own early, falterling years. The only observation I might make about the (obviously terrified!) fella at Orlando is this: yes, it certainly seems dubious that there had been an issue with his radio which it's likely, even during the subsequent phone call the controller would have more-or-less overlooked over and above the already wide latitude he was giving to keep the guy calm until he landed I think at Brookville. All of K's assessments to that point I feel are entirely uncontroversial - as, furthermore, is the general advice, as exemplified by the incident with the French controller, that clarification should always be sought if there is the slightest doubt (that you've misheard something). However what I don't recall being considered in the analysis, was the possibility the pilot had, at least in his own mind, unquestionably and unquestioningly heard "leftbound" from the controller. Whether or not that's a thing (which K sagely, a minute or two later, explains is not!), is to all intents irrelevant because at that (extremely novice) point in the pilot's career, even if he's only ever heard "westbound" previously - and never "leftbound" - with the level of semi distractedness he was evidently feeling just getting the damned plane off the ground, while using the radio, while worrying about his instruments, rudder, altitude, engine settings, altitude etc etc etc, while having instructions fired at him by controller (however understanding and reassuring) - he's not for a second going to question "leftbound" if that's what he heard: he's just going to assume that because he's so new - and the controller so expert - that "leftbound" is what he was told. Simply not being able to make out the numbers being radioed to you by a thickly accented Frenchman is one thing - being given an unfamiliar instruction is another. Even if it could still be insisted that the unfamiliarity itself should have triggered a clarification, yes I guess, but that's in an absolutely perfectly ideal world and I'd simply refer back to the rising panic and mounting numbers of unfamiliar and self conscious operations with which he was contending as listed above, merely in the act of staying air borne!!
I am an amateur radio operator. I am a net controller (like ATF) once a week. I don't have the help of RADAR so it is all vocal. It is so easy to get confused, especially when you have two or three stations doubling on top of each other. I might get the prefix of one, two or three, but not the region nor suffix. Luckily, we are all on the ground, and I can clear that jam pretty easy. The only things hurt are feelings.
I had a similar experience yesterday when I did my first solo to another airport. I got in contact with ATC and was actually having volume issues. I essentially was under-trained on the radio frequencies and the GPS system. I called back what I could hear, and followed instructions to be vectored and look for traffic. It took me a little bit get get my volume working, and get on track and I heard my tail number, and didn't understand his call. I asked him to repeat and he said, "(my tail #) this is the third time now, sqwak VFR Frequency change approved." Spooked me a bit and I went to the other airport. For both airports I didn't have the right frequencies in, the only one I had right was ATC but it's actually ok because that's the only one I legally needed. I misunderstood ATC coming back and corrected it, but I could tell they were not having it. It really did stress me out and I wish he was as polite and mindful as the guy in this video. I wasn't given the number, but it was definitely a rough day.
I love when a 748 driver can’t tell the difference between a Skyhawk and a C152 lol. Good breakdown, I’ve been there, I was on the hook with one of the strictest and grumpiest controllers at our local and I’ll never forget it.
I have an idea: The controller should use both cardinal and compass directions. So instead of saying "turn westbound," the controller could say "turn westbound, heading two seven zero" then the pilot repeats "turning westbound, heading two seven zero" This also serves as a sort of correction code - if the pilot mishears one or the other, the controller can then clarify.
In a future aviation tech, hopefully a day will come where controller instructions can also be sent in text to a flight display so that writing the instructions can become a thing of the past. Having that data, the avionics could quickly determine if the actions from the flight deck are consistent with the instructions given by the ATC. Another great video Kelsey.
@@owenblair7873 agreed, the current GA aircraft wouldn't benefit these days without upgrades, but given the more advanced avionics on small GA aircraft today, it may make for safer skies in future light aircraft.
@@owenblair7873 : I saw it in the cockpit of an A340 in 1999. .. the pilots were getting their info on a thermal printer located between the pilot and copilot.
I think this already happens to some degree in the Boeing 787. They can receive text instructions fo certain things and even directly input/execute certain data/instructions.
@@iggyiggz1999 yeah! i think in one of Kelsey’s videos he talks about it its for certain controls to not block up the radio for really basic instructions but yeah thats a big plane thing
The replay feature on the Garmin Perspective for the Cirrus is really nice. You hit one button and it plays back the last transmission. If you need to hear 2 transmissions back you hit it twice and so on. I use it very rarely, but it’s nice when I need it.
This was a really interesting video and very well explained. I love how you explain things and how you always make it clear we're all human and can make mistakes, but owning to it and learning from it is what's important.
Consider myself really lucky to have learned inside class D that was right underneath class B and abutting class C. It was a steeper learning curve and yes, took more hours, but I had radio comms down pat - and it actually helped during IFR training to be comfortable. Clearances given at gigabit speeds weren't a problem. Also, if the pilot wasn't aware of the Bravo to his south, so close to his own airport and that he needed specific clearance (given as "cleared into the Bravo airspace"), then his CFI failed, sad to say.
Almost the same at my home airport. It’s class D, with B all above. I don’t think we have class C though. I am really thankful for all the radio practice. You’re right, it feels like a steep learning curve now ( I’m a pre-solo student 🤣) but I know it will pay off. Dudes in the tower are pretty patient too 🤣🤣🤣
Not excusing the busted airspace by the pilot here, but a wonder if when the controller started to say “Frequency Change” the pilot swapped frequencies right away without acknowledging the frequency change approval. I also wonder if they tried to reach him on 121.5.
A possibility, but the vast majority of pilots would wait to the end of the transmission so they could respond with at least an acknowledgement, if not a readback, as opposed to punching the "swap" button while the words "frequency change a.....'" were still pulsing through the cable up to your headset.
Kennedy Steve needs to fill his retirement with teaching pilots how to talk fast. So fast that ATC comes back with "uh, say again?" Speaking at 60 gusting to 90 as Rod Machado says. Though I expect KS is already busy giving Delta Tug tips. 😁
I fly out of kORL, the controllers tell pilots they need to check bravo shelf all the time. even atop the airport itself bravo is at 1600 so I usually climb to about 1400
I regularly drive spam cans into Bravo airspace and airports. No big deal. I find the controllers working the Bravo are much more professional than some of the smaller fields.
I flew my Saratoga into many Class B airports. I never had a problem. I will concede that a Saratoga can keep higher speed on final than a 172. On another note, I’ve asked for clarification many times. I’ve never had a controller sound annoyed and I’ve had than thank me.
The controller failed to pick up the pilot's incorrect read back of left not west. Had the controller listened and corrected the pilot this could have been avoided. Both the newbie pilot and a busy controller learned a lesson that day.
To me it sounded like the pilot said west. Only from dissecting what happened afterward could I see that he did probably say left. Also, the ATC was expecting to hear “west” which can mess with what you actually here, like the whole Yanny/Laurel thing.
When you got tons of things to think, a pretty loud engine, and some stress, it makes it pretty hard. I’m sure that controller never heard such thing as leftbound before. It all sounds pretty similar. Main reason for the phonetic alphabet and mentioning the number 9 as niner. If the student had enough training and payed attention he’d know that leftbound isn’t a thing.
As a current student pilot, who just completed my solo cross country’s, the controllers/towers attitude has a huge impact. I was pretty nervous landing on my cross country solo at KSBD, the ATC was very calm and cool and it instantly made me feel more relaxed. Big thanks to all the patient and kind controllers around the world, y’all are the best!
Damn they got you flying cross country solos to KSBD?
@@evanharness2850 Yeah first one was to KHMT, Second was to KSBD (Coming from Montgomery Feild KMYF) it was very funny landing a Piper Archer on a 10,000 ft runway
100% agree, this controller did a fantastic job all around. Attitude makes a huge difference. The pilot sounded too green to know that "left-bound" isn't a thing, but he should have been aware of the class bravo south of him. Great job by Kelsey of explaining everything, as usual. Good learning experience for everyone.
I used to do line service at SBD! The controllers there are outstanding! I love how small the aviation community is 😄 congrats on your solo. I used to love listening to the radios and heading outside to flag down students on their solo because they'd always get lost.
@@cassijane22 Thats awesome thank you! And thanks for your work put in out there helping us green peas
I really liked hearing this interaction. The pilot you can tell is open and knows he is green, and the ATC calms him down tells him get there safe and give me a call.
I like the way the ATC told the pilot to call him...like a dad saying "I'm not angry just dissapointed" 😂
Except it is a recorded line and they are trying to coax a confession out of you that you screwed up and they did not. Call them if you like, but admit nothing.
It’s not a matter of “call them if you like”…if they give you a number you actually have to call. There is absolutely no getting out of that.
@@JAleksandrI was going to say the same thing. It’s not your decision to call or not. If they give you a number you have to call it as soon as you’ve parked.
ATC is kind of like 'mom and dad.' :D
"you cant just walk away from me like that ive got more to talk to you about" there is a lot of dad power in that sentence xD
Education with a healthy dose of humor…love Kelsey’s style.
I have started to say it as well. My kids wonder what's wrong with me when I say: Dinner for 4.... comin' up 😎
glad you get my humor David! thanks for watching.
And a pinch of sarcasm
@@noahgeerdink5144 DITTO, LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
@@74gear speaking of airport incidents, have you ever looked up the "Lawnchair Larry" incident?
I so like how Kelsey gives a his intro into what we're going to see. His commentaries are informative and interesting.
Hey Kelsey, I really appreciate all your content. Please keep up the good work!
A little fun fact about me: I'm currently a 40 year old student pilot working on my PPL, and my flight instructor is actually a 747 Captain and Check Airman for your airline and has flown with you before. His name is Chris G, and we fly out of KYNG. He showed me a selfie you guys took together, and I recognized you instantly. He speaks very highly of you as well, both as a professional pilot and a person. You should feel proud.
Thanks again for all the content, and keep up the great work. Happy landings!
That is super cool!
wow thats great to have him as an instructor who has some real world flying experience. It is definitely a balance doing social media and work but I try to be just a normal crew member at work cause they are totally different "jobs" and I would be very annoyed if I was a crew member having to work extra cause some social media guy was busy taking selfies instead of doing his job haha
T&G? I did my ppl there a few years back. Enjoyed every minute of it!
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T&G isn't there anymore. To my knowledge, they're only at Burke Lakefront now. (KBKL.) I belong to a flying club called the Western Reserve Flight Center at YNG. It's a great place, I absolutely love the people there.
@@74gear
He's an amazing instructor, and definitely is a wealth of knowledge. I told him I'm a huge fan of your channel, and he thought it was the coolest thing that he was able to fly with you. His daughter is also a pilot who recently passed her CPL checkride and is a huge fan of your channel. So you've got quite a following around KYNG!
Kelsey, aviation is very similar to the medical/nursing profession. I always told my new nurses when they started to never hesitate to clarify an order, or ask a question if you were unsure. Both of our professions are about keeping people alive, so there’s no shame in clarifying ANYTHING. Love your channel.😎
That and us correct ,consistent and professional diction .
My wife is an MD. The nurse and the pharmacist are the last lines of safety. If the doctor's order does not appear to make sense, ask for a clarification. Sometimes it was a misunderstanding or a miskey.
Aviation has nothing to do with keeping people alive, that's just a side effect in the majority of cases. A large portion of military aviation is actually focused on killing people, both in the air and on the ground. Civilian aviation is about transporting people and/or cargo from one place to another through the air.
@@MikeDCWeldYeah, all that stuff is just a waste of time. No need for pilots to have licenses or physicals or ATC to exist or planes to need air worthiness certificates. All those regulations are a bother and no need to have plane parts to be certified and those seatbelts/oxygen masks/evacuation doors/slides, no need for NTSB to investigate crashes, etc, etc, etc, etc aren’t really necessary. Actually, besides a nuclear power plant, I can’t think of any industry that is as highly regulated as the aviation industry and the purpose of all these regulations is so fewer people are killed. The public and aviation industry really don’t want ‘daily’ air disasters that kill hundreds of people.
Im a nurse and a pilot, never thought of it this way!
Kelsey, I am sure it was not the same controller but in 1974 I was a student pilot and was attempting a touch and go at Orlando International. I always used "student pilot" when talking to ATC. I accidently set up to land at McCoy Air Force base 10 miles south of Orlando airport. He called me back and ask a few questions on things I could see out the window and quickly vectored me out of that air space and into Orlando airport. He asked me to not call but come up and visit him in the tower. I did and he was very nice and gave me a quick tour of the facility. Never said anything about my mistake. I'm sure today you would not get that type of invite due to safety concerns. And finally he said to check out the jet I parked next to that the call sign was AP - 1 which stood for Arnold Palmer 1. All in all a great day for a student pilot and a good learning experience with ATC. Thanks for posting and take care!
Nice! Funny thing about that now, though, is that if you were trying to land at Orlando International and you lined up on McCoy, you'd be going to exactly the right place. :) What was the original Orlando commercial airport is now the Orlando Executive that this guy was flying out of and McCoy Air Force Base became the new Orlando International Airport (hence the location identifier still being MCO.) It was actually later that same year that you flew there that McCoy was turned over to the city of Orlando to transition from a joint civil-military airport to civilian only.
I think I flew that AP airplane last year. Fun model, old airplane
You're right about clarifying. Nothing wrong with a simple "Say again!" :)
My husband was a 50-year VFR pilot before he died in 2015. I enjoy your videos as they bring back memories - he actually enjoyed living on the flight path to Ohio State University Don Scott field - he ALWAYS looked up when he heard a plane overhead. His most memorable landing, and one of the best he always said, was an off-field landing in Hays, KS. I wish there would have been a video, but I have photos of the newspaper article and of him standing next to the plane. I’ll send if you like. Keep the blue side up!
Sweet memories, Suzanne. Among my aviation friends out at our small airfield, a conversation will stop - literally mid-sentence - as we all pause to watch an aircraft scoot by on takeoff or landing, and then we pick right back up where we left off. Was the off-field due to an engine failure, I assume?
@@suzannemullins1114 that’s not 74 gear
@@theyracemesohardchair wtf, dude, please delete.
@@svyt how about no? Lol he died 🤦♂️🤣
@@theyracemesohardchair I agree with lewis being a fraud champ but bro, a person died
I've been thanked by ATC for asking for clarification on an instruction far more than annoyance! BTW, it was super exciting to meet you in an airport as I was waiting for my commute home. Keep up the good work.
It's probably me, but talking to NYC while flying through the Bravo, I repeatedly asked for "say again". It felt awkward and granted: I'm a rookie, it was my first time in the Bravo, and I learned at a pilot controlled airport. But ATC was accommodating and considerate. And I went with an instructor as a backup. I realized, then that I need to get me a noise canceling headset. My David Clark were great for learning, but I need to upgrade. Especially as my hearing dwindles.
ya I always use noise cancelling its definitely worth the investment if you are going to be flying often
I use a Bose headset and Love it. Worth the investment.
I had the same experience, and unfortunately it's when you're a new student and have the hardest time of your life just communicating that you get the crappiest headset and can't hear a thing. Instructors who always have the most expensive NC headsets for themselves need to be more aware of this.
Totally agree, it made such a huge difference. Back when I flew in the US, they were just appearing on the market. There was a company that you sent your DCs to and they would convert them to n.c. Wow, night and day. Especially for IFR!
Any recommandation for a good noise cancelling headset?
I'm just starting out as a student pilot and what I fear the most is not being able to hear my instructor and ATC clearly. Sometimes I can't tell if I'm stupid and not understanding them or simply not hearing right. Having a good headset will definitely clear that doubt xD
That pilot's voice suddenly reminded me perfectly of the ramp worker who did the barrel roles in the "borrowed" plane.... it immediately hit me!
Radio traffic is always a bit suspect, even on good days. I worked my career as a firefighter, and one day I got a call for "a fall victim". I radioed back, asking for staging location, thinking he said "assault victim", which requires police protection. The dispatcher was mildly confused, and I was mildly embarrassed on the air. Oh well.
Good example. "Left" and "West" can be virtually indistinguishable over a bandwidth-limited aviation radio channel. However, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the term "Bound", in normal english usage, is never used with "left" or "right", and in aviation, is only associated with the various compass directions. Perhaps to a completely fluent and sharp English speaker, that would have been a clue that ATC's direction was certainly NOT "Leftbound"; however with a little less linguistic sharpness on the part of the receiver, it seems it was interpreted as "Leftbound".
well... I'm sure the fall victim appreciated the tactical support. 🤣
@@svyt listening to this student I think English wasn't his first language and likely had never encountered bound attached to a direction.
Recordings of these calls are nearly always more degraded than a tower to plane would sound in that moment.
Seems like it takes a big brain to be an ATC. There’s no way I could juggle so many things at once! Props.
😅 you don’t have to be a big brain at all it’s just more common sense and making sure you know and understand the rules than anything
Props, jets and rotors actually.
@@concorde3980 nice. 🤣
That's why they get paid the big bucks 😉 Definitely a job that could induce stress if you have multiple wrong things going on at once.
Yeah flying is a lot easier than being an ATC...
I'm a current student pilot who just recently completed their first solo & solo xc flights and I actually did them both on this Cessna 172N N114FA. At this point in my training, I was very well-aware of the KMCO bravo shelf that is off to the south of the Executive airport KORL, which is the airport we train at. It is very alarming to me that this individual did not realize he was clearly turning directly into the restricted Class B airspace as it is very much talked about with your instructors many, many times. Situational awareness is very crucial in this environment.
Excellent points!
I’m not a pilot, but I used to live in Orlando and was VERY aware of the airspace for each airport. You could clearly see the patterns for each airport. It’s inconceivable that this guy would turn right into MCO airspace. I knew this even before I became a TH-cam pilot expert. 😁
That controller is how we should all act. Just respect each other
The way you say "What's up 74 crew! My name is Kelsey" is so happy and genuine, it makes me feel like a kindergartener and puts a big dumb smile on my face. You rock
Kudos to the controller! Way to stay calm, and I'd wage you're probably the mentor type. I totally dig the good approach with the young pilot. Absolute lad and professional right there! To the young pilot, I hope you were able to brush off the rattling and learn from it. We live and we learn, and everyone's gotta start from somewhere, so I wish you the best of luck and best wishes on your future endeavors! You'll do great! Godspeed, boys!
I can totally understand. I got disoriented on my first checkride and flew over Teterboro. My instructor actually waited until I admitted I was lost. I was trying in vain to use VOR's to figure out where I was. Fortunately that wasn't BRAVO airspace though. And yeah, the key when you make a mistake is to say sorry...haha
Kelsey, IRL controller here… you know a lot more about ATC than most pilots I’ve talked to. I’m always pleased to hear pilots when the my actually going on haha
Kelsey,
I don’t need an instructor anymore, but when I did, I would’ve loved to had this kind of explanation and this kind of information available to me when I was working on my private. You’re a great teacher man! Thank you.
If you're still flying then you need an instructor every two years!
@@toddsmith8608 but CFI’s like Kelsey are hard to come by. I understand everything he’s saying, but never have I seen it explained so well. ATP or no ATP, that guy can really teach.
@@keithbrunson7190 true statement.
Good advice about asking to clarify, I retired from nursing after 47 years, followed that advice till retirement. Far better to be safe. Like you, huge respect for calm Controller with distracted pilot.
I had a Class B bust myself. I took off from San Carlos, CA, which is under the San Francisco Class B. I had done my self-briefing which included "level off at [whatever altitude]". I wasn't paying attention, though, and the controller said "Cessna such-and-such, altitude indicates XXXX". I knew instantly what that meant. I chopped the throttle and pushed it over. Nothing more was said.
Below 1500 until you get to the sunken ship.
@@douglasmagowan2709 if you're flying past a sunken ship, your airplane might be a submarine.
"Cessna 4FA, sonar contact 8 miles west of SFO, descend and maintain two-zero fathoms."
I busted the OKC Class C on my PPL check ride and still passed. To this day I don't know why that wasn't an immediate failure.
Damn give me your examiner
Hi Kelsey, in the suburbs; kids are expected to ride their bikes on the stroad every day to get to school. In rush hour, with no sidewalks. This is in fact normal. Maybe petition your local reps 5:12
ATC: You’re in the bravo!
Pilot: How about we just pretend that never happened?
“Frequency changed approved” 😭
I work as a rail controller, this discussion helps me to remember how I need to work with my operators. It isn't quite as critical, as trains are more restricted in their movements, but the rules and philosophy are still there.
My father and grandfather were both locomotive engineers. I have some interesting momentos of their work - before rail controllers, the crew would know to, for instance, cut their speed when they passed a certain tree along the right of way. Engineers once carried the letters from the yard masters stating they had passed the exam allowing them entrance to the Chicago area. No electronic databases then.
The main one where railways are very strict is when it comes to movement authority. As with air traffic control this will involve clear standard phraseology and read backs. Trains are more restricted in their movement, but there are still plenty of cases where incorrect movements can cause conflicts, and trains running at anything like a high speed are effectively in instrument conditions (since there is no chance to react visually to a conflict).
@@ChrisCooper312
My system is lucky in that we have TWC indications for all the trains in our system We know when anything is shunting the track. All tracks are normally one directional (two track layout.)
But you are absolutely correct in the exact phrasing and readbacks.
74 gear is undoubtedly the #1 aviation channel on TH-cam
When I get in an argument with my wife, I'm going to use that.
"I'm sorry you're upset hunny, Frequency change approved" ;)
Ha! My pilot says this to me.
I'm almost certain that is not going to go the way you think. I'm pretty sure you're just joking though.
Thank you Kelsey for helping me understand more about what pilots have to do!
The most professional part of him speaking was “uhhhh” had me 💀
Oh dude. I love the last transmission. Made me almost spit out my drink. Poor dude that made the plane aboard take off. Must have really needed to go to the restroom.
I honestly can say that Kelsey saying “coming up” in his intros is one of the best things on youtube
2nd best ...Let Get into it. I smile every single time...Blush..lol
haha glad you enjoy it!!
A good example of "standard phraseology", another is "Let's get into it".
I like keep the blue side up
Technically the pilot didn't make a mistake... he read back "left bound" and the ATC didn't correct him. They both share responsibility
When ATC noticed he was entering Bravo he corrected him but the pilot just blew off ATC like, I'm leaving your airspace I don't care what you say.
I guess an ATC hearing a call wrong is OK, but with a pilot is a "write down a number" situation
+1 for the controller for.keeping calm throughout this whole situation. I've heard so many controllers who wouldn't be anywhere near as accommodating.
Clear communication is always a challenge. Thanks for posting.
Thanks Kelsey, great run through. The way the traffic controller handled it is a great lesson for small through to large businesses. Don't get angry, talk it through and teach at the right time, then lastly ask and commit to what do we do to avoid this happening again.
I remember being a new pilot flying with my dad in the 80's and being terrified of flying into KMIA airspace. Listening to this was just awesome. That ATC was just awesome to the guy.
Great job by the controller through the whole situation especially de-escalating the situation. I’ve heard a lot of these tapes where it goes the opposite way where one or both sides of the radio insist on turning the heat up even more.
"There is no left-bound in aviation." True, but it reminds me of a conversation I had in Iraq many years ago. I was working at a ground station, talking to an ISR pilot. The ISR plane would spend its entire mission orbiting around one target on the ground... hours and hours of a left-hand turn. They had sensors on-board that pointed to the left. Anyway, I asked the pilot for his heading, and he said, "Left." I got the joke.
I was in the Air Force and was with AWACS back in the early 90’s. Once we arrived to wherever we were assigned to be we would loiter there for hours to control that airspace. This would typically be done by flying a big oval, like a racetrack. So we flew a “left” heading a LOT.
@@srcastic8764 How much NASCAR did you guys watch for your training? =P Seriously though, thanks to both of you for your service. Regardless of what country you served with, we're all allies so I'm grateful to all who served. Not just my Canadian countrymen.
@@VoidHalo thank you. Worked with some of your countrymen when they trained with us to learn about working with the NATO AWACS birds. Great guys.
We should just start calling north/south east/west - up/down left/right
@@livelyupmyself1 except that wouldn’t make any sense, regular directions (^v) are relative to each person, whereas the cardinal directions (N,S,E,W) are constant (like a lot of people it took me a while to figure out as a kid, I always thought the direction I was facing was north, but now as an adult I almost always know which direction is north wherever I’m at, the only time I regularly get confused is when I come out of subway/underground metro stations in big cities), if you used the same words for both things would get confusing fast, not to mention that up and down could mean both north and forward/south and backward , but also a positive or negative change in altitude. To summarize, it sounds like it would just be a never ending mess of “your left or my left?”, “who’s on first?”-style shenanigans.
There is a lot going on when you are learning to fly plus you might be nervous. Brief in detail, know your space, study the maps etc all apply. Assume nothing will go the way it usually does and pay attention. Kelsey gives loads of good advice IMHO. Asking for clarification is not a crime. Don’t compare your chapter 1 of flying with others who might be on chapter 20. It’s ok to be the new guy.
This happened on one of the Apollo missions; "This is Houston; YOU have a problem."
Wish I had that ATC person when I got the #. I was early in my IFR training and was under the hood planning to do a missed approach approach at KGON in Connecticut. I flew the approach and went missed (I still wasn’t comfy under the hood). Tower gave me a turn I wasn’t expecting because it was contrary to the missed approach procedure so I started to follow the procedure and she gave me a small dressing down and had me change frequencies to NY ATC. Well, did I get a freakin earful. My god it was so egregious that my CFII (who was also confused with the original tower order) said he never heard such treatment on air. Controller said so you want to do holds? Then he had me go to the hold point and begin holding. I had not done a hold before and this would have been a lesson on entry and navigating the pattern. I did not have any fancy instruments to show me the pattern. I was completely frazzled by now and my instructor said to hang in. After 3 horrible circuits, the controller had me Chang altitude which, naturally, increased my workload. A few more circuits and he told me to descent. I was completely humiliated and I developed a bad headache. My instructor asked me what I wanted to do and I just cancelled my IFR clearance. That’s when I got the phone #. I was feeling like a failure and we copied and I flew VFR home to KHPN. My instructor said he had to call Ashe was responsible for me. My CFII asked them to pull the tapes because the controller was so nasty and unprofessional. Nothing became of it, but my confidence was shaken and I couldn’t go back to fly for two weeks or so until I came to my senses. I can see how students or low hour pilots might leave aviation. BTW, I let the controller know I was just learning the IFR and I had apologized, but he was just vindictive. Sorry for the long response but this happened to me in 2001 and it still is embedded in my brain. Thanks Kelsey for this video.
Much respect to the controller for being calm and not screening at the pilot and also the young pilot who didn't act like a disrespectful brat!
Trainied at Orlando Executive and those controllers are great! Tons of flight training going on in that area so there’s a lot things happening. That MCO Bravo is right there so one wrong turn and ooops.
Another great video thank you!!
Maintain runway heading is the clearest instruction in my opinion.
Iam 8 hours into my private pilot license. Kelsey I just wanted to say thank you for all you cover on this channel. It's not only educational, funny, and well rounded but it also gives you a good look into the commercial aviation community.
Definitely felt for the pilot - he could do with updating his children’s edition of, ‘100 Excuses to turn to when you’ve messed up’. His was up there with, ‘the dog ate my homework’. Another great video from ‘74’.
Ah yes, the classic west-left confusion. Happened to me once, taking off to the north, got clearance for a west-turn ("After takeoff turn west, climb xxx ft", which is uncommon, since they normally tell you to go left or right depending on inbound traffic and glider activity). I understood and read back turn left, never got corrected. Luckily left and west is the same in this scenario. Only found out after listening to the recording. Called the tower, turns out they were not aware that I read back left and assumed I said west.
I am so jealous of your eyelids. No discoloration or wrinkles. Perfectlly smooth
You are great! Loved when you said, communicate and "you'll never get violated." Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
glad you are finding them enjoyable Larry! thanks for watching.
Really enjoy your shows Kelsey - you are a natural communicator and TH-camr!
Great video. Very entertaining. As far as heading to the lavatory on the plane while boarding, don't forget about us that are on a short layover that rush to the gate and don't have time to go to the restroom before getting on the plane.
This is like my worst fear 😅 or one of them at least. But what an absolute pro that controller was
I received my flight training at a small tower controlled airport west of Calgary. So I was pretty comfortable with the radio. My instructor took us Calgary International one day to show me what it was like. After listening to the approach frequency on the way in, I have to say my heart rate took a jump when calling them up. Good experience though. Also not used to the long and wide runway which completely messed up my landings. Thanks for the great content Kelsey.
shoutout Springbank
I learned at a Class B (Andrews AFB) mixed in with F-8’s, F16’s, C141’s, the occasional C5, helicopters, the aero club, GulfStreams, Air Force One, and even the Blue Angels one day.
As a low time pilot (90 hours) my first check ride at a small uncontrolled airport on the west coast after I left the military was interesting.
The check pilot said “I usually take check rides over to the towered airport but I think we can skip that. What’s this entry about the Blue Angles?”
His only concern was local pattern and wondering if I could actually land on a runway only 35’ wide since almost all my time was in a 200x8000 runway.
LOL
I watch this channel because I have an extreme fear of flying. I actually learned to hid it pretty well when my company started flying me on weekends to so I could be in a certain place on Monday. I remember the first time I fell asleep on an airplane and that was a big deal to me. I got to were I could read a book instead of watch video's on my laptop. To say the least, this fear is very real to some people. I said all that to say. I think if I was on a plane and saw Kelsey board as part of the crew. I might actually be able exhale at some point during the flight.
I have been in your shoes and boy do I know exactly how that feels. I'm happy it's getting better for ya. Research helps so much - it helped me a lot. I used to be afraid to even research about aviation, haha. It is all about taking baby steps. You never know... someday you may have your pilot's license or something like that :)
So do I.
My sister had the same fear, it’s so hard to ween of a fear of flying when it’s so easily avoidable, but a couple flights and now she can anticipate turbulence and at least brace haha
@@samtilden4452 You just have to change your frame of reference. You wouldn't go on a boat and thing "why is a wave making us bob?" Air is the same, it has all these baby pockets that you can surf over, and nothing bad will happen. Just like how a boat doesn't sink when it's choppy waves.
I used to have fear of flying too .. major airlines offer very good courses to help with it .. i took the course with Swiss and it cured me and helped me understand how everything works, including the infamous turbulences.
"You'll never get violated for it."
-Kelsey, 2022
Scrolled down to this comment just as he said it lolll
Funny as it sounds, that's actually common phraseology in aviation.
True lol
@@vbscript2 I believe it. As a non pilot though, it just made me giggle.
Thank you for that restroom-before-boarding "instruction". I will show it to my husband next time he's gonna be grumpy because I go to the restroom the minute the boarding starts (because I know the boarding will take more time than I need; to go quickly right there in the airport).
I feel this reclarification is also what people with hearing loss deal with on a daily basis.
You’re a great teacher, Kelsey! I have no plans to ever fly, but I love your videos!
What a stone cold professional that ATC is!! Beyond impressed
a tip for people having trouble hearing, speak slower when asking for clarification, and be specific about what is unclear. sometimes it will get the guy on the other end to speak more clearly and not rattle off a bunch of unnecessary chatter. (but not always) early in the week, it took me three tries to get somebody to give me an "affirmative" that I could hear when I asked to confirm we were standing down.
I usually say, speak slower I can't hear fast.
Hey, Ken - can you tell Kelsey to speak a little slower also? 😏
@@gilbertfranklin1537 😁
"Affirmative" would be very wrong - revise your ICAO RT rules/laws.. "AFFIRM" is correct - it doesn't sound like the word "negative".
So as a little kid my very first flight was on a 747 and it became my favorite aircraft to this day- This morning I watched the documentary about the 747 and the struggles that Boeing had to deliver this marvelous marvel. it made me love it, even more, what a special, special aircraft you fly- As always great video, and continue to have the time of your life.
How funny to see Orlando Executive. I’ve actually flown left hand traffic patterns at that airport. Well, my daughter was flying the patterns 😂 She trained in a very quiet airport, so when she took off and made her first left hand turn, she was face to face with the traffic for MCO. Obviously they were no factor, but she had never seen landing lights of passenger jets coming at her before.
Fwiw, the ATC was great with my newly minted pilot daughter. Very patient and clear. She had no problems and did 5 touch and gos - she even got some night landings in (thus the shocking lights coming at her in the sky).
This controller is a champ. I fly out of Executive. One of the busier GA and training airports in the state.
Violations happen all the time. That was a good controller to just put him at ease and let him know they needed to talk. Sometimes the call isn't to blame pilots it's to clarify something we might be saying that is easily confused.
Love the "Crushing it" middle
Yes, radios can be difficult some times. Somebody says one thing and you hear something else. I remember a few years ago, a colleague of mine had to go to the toilet. No sooner was he in there when they announced boarding. We waited and waited for him until there was just about nobody left to board. I told my other colleague to go to the gate and explain to them that we were all there and persuade them to keep the gate open until he was finished. In the meanwhile, I went into the rest room and told him to get the F*** out of that toilet NOW unless he wanted to spend the night in there. Fortunately my other colleague was very persuasive and all of us made our flight. We were the last ones board by far.
BAD TIME FOR THE HERSHY SQUIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I worked the tower at TEB, this kind of thing happened way more than anyone would have thought possible. Saw many a corporate jet bust the altitude on the Runway 19 Dalton departure and get too close for comfort with a EWR arrival!
As an ATC looking to get rated soon, these videos are cool to me and help me realize what a good one does.
Great career choice.....best wishes ....!!
I have nothing to do with aviation and I started watching this channel because I love to fly as a passenger. I love this content because, as a psychotherapist, I absolutely appreciate the attitude of cooperation, transparent communication and taking care of each other, all with a sense of humor that soothes moments of tension. I wish I was a "technical" person because I can see that our humanity comes out in solving such kind of problems :)
Aviation/ATC is truly a career field where begging for forgiveness is not better than asking for permission. The airport I work at has 3 runways and to depart from the main runway, you have to make at least 1 (and at most 4) runway crossings! I'm glad to hear a pilot ask to confirm. It means he is being cautious and is playing by the rule of "If you are not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure I said cross, hold short and ask again" rule.
Your lesson about clarification applies not just in aviation, but in all matters. I just made the mistake of buying the wrong piece of furniture, with the assistance of an IKEA assistant because I did not clarify.
ATC did a great job. They are however partially responsible as the controller missed the incorrect readback.
Kelsey always the man for this stuff. Super professional - but very humble, always acknowledging his own early, falterling years. The only observation I might make about the (obviously terrified!) fella at Orlando is this: yes, it certainly seems dubious that there had been an issue with his radio which it's likely, even during the subsequent phone call the controller would have more-or-less overlooked over and above the already wide latitude he was giving to keep the guy calm until he landed I think at Brookville. All of K's assessments to that point I feel are entirely uncontroversial - as, furthermore, is the general advice, as exemplified by the incident with the French controller, that clarification should always be sought if there is the slightest doubt (that you've misheard something). However what I don't recall being considered in the analysis, was the possibility the pilot had, at least in his own mind, unquestionably and unquestioningly heard "leftbound" from the controller. Whether or not that's a thing (which K sagely, a minute or two later, explains is not!), is to all intents irrelevant because at that (extremely novice) point in the pilot's career, even if he's only ever heard "westbound" previously - and never "leftbound" - with the level of semi distractedness he was evidently feeling just getting the damned plane off the ground, while using the radio, while worrying about his instruments, rudder, altitude, engine settings, altitude etc etc etc, while having instructions fired at him by controller (however understanding and reassuring) - he's not for a second going to question "leftbound" if that's what he heard: he's just going to assume that because he's so new - and the controller so expert - that "leftbound" is what he was told. Simply not being able to make out the numbers being radioed to you by a thickly accented Frenchman is one thing - being given an unfamiliar instruction is another. Even if it could still be insisted that the unfamiliarity itself should have triggered a clarification, yes I guess, but that's in an absolutely perfectly ideal world and I'd simply refer back to the rising panic and mounting numbers of unfamiliar and self conscious operations with which he was contending as listed above, merely in the act of staying air borne!!
I am an amateur radio operator. I am a net controller (like ATF) once a week. I don't have the help of RADAR so it is all vocal. It is so easy to get confused, especially when you have two or three stations doubling on top of each other. I might get the prefix of one, two or three, but not the region nor suffix. Luckily, we are all on the ground, and I can clear that jam pretty easy. The only things hurt are feelings.
I had a similar experience yesterday when I did my first solo to another airport. I got in contact with ATC and was actually having volume issues. I essentially was under-trained on the radio frequencies and the GPS system. I called back what I could hear, and followed instructions to be vectored and look for traffic. It took me a little bit get get my volume working, and get on track and I heard my tail number, and didn't understand his call. I asked him to repeat and he said, "(my tail #) this is the third time now, sqwak VFR Frequency change approved." Spooked me a bit and I went to the other airport. For both airports I didn't have the right frequencies in, the only one I had right was ATC but it's actually ok because that's the only one I legally needed. I misunderstood ATC coming back and corrected it, but I could tell they were not having it. It really did stress me out and I wish he was as polite and mindful as the guy in this video. I wasn't given the number, but it was definitely a rough day.
I love when a 748 driver can’t tell the difference between a Skyhawk and a C152 lol. Good breakdown, I’ve been there, I was on the hook with one of the strictest and grumpiest controllers at our local and I’ll never forget it.
I just love your passion for your job. Flying obviously is in your DNA...👌🏾
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I have just started my PPL, watching these really helps, Thank you.
Not to mention, Orlando Exec has a right-hand pattern due to MCO being right there. I took a discovery flight there.
I'm glad they don't violate you when you ask for clarification. That seems like it'd be a disproportionate response...
I have an idea: The controller should use both cardinal and compass directions. So instead of saying "turn westbound," the controller could say "turn westbound, heading two seven zero" then the pilot repeats "turning westbound, heading two seven zero"
This also serves as a sort of correction code - if the pilot mishears one or the other, the controller can then clarify.
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Better might have been "Fly runway heading." Short, clear, no room for misunderstanding.
That smirk when the pilot said frequency changed approved gave me a good lil chuckle lol.
In a future aviation tech, hopefully a day will come where controller instructions can also be sent in text to a flight display so that writing the instructions can become a thing of the past. Having that data, the avionics could quickly determine if the actions from the flight deck are consistent with the instructions given by the ATC. Another great video Kelsey.
Not gonna be on a Cessna… would be great on airliners.
@@owenblair7873 agreed, the current GA aircraft wouldn't benefit these days without upgrades, but given the more advanced avionics on small GA aircraft today, it may make for safer skies in future light aircraft.
@@owenblair7873 : I saw it in the cockpit of an A340 in 1999. .. the pilots were getting their info on a thermal printer located between the pilot and copilot.
I think this already happens to some degree in the Boeing 787. They can receive text instructions fo certain things and even directly input/execute certain data/instructions.
@@iggyiggz1999 yeah! i think in one of Kelsey’s videos he talks about it its for certain controls to not block up the radio for really basic instructions but yeah thats a big plane thing
The replay feature on the Garmin Perspective for the Cirrus is really nice. You hit one button and it plays back the last transmission. If you need to hear 2 transmissions back you hit it twice and so on. I use it very rarely, but it’s nice when I need it.
This was a really interesting video and very well explained. I love how you explain things and how you always make it clear we're all human and can make mistakes, but owning to it and learning from it is what's important.
Fantastic job of explaining a rookie boo boo. Kudos to the controller. Hats off to 74.
Consider myself really lucky to have learned inside class D that was right underneath class B and abutting class C. It was a steeper learning curve and yes, took more hours, but I had radio comms down pat - and it actually helped during IFR training to be comfortable. Clearances given at gigabit speeds weren't a problem. Also, if the pilot wasn't aware of the Bravo to his south, so close to his own airport and that he needed specific clearance (given as "cleared into the Bravo airspace"), then his CFI failed, sad to say.
Almost the same at my home airport. It’s class D, with B all above. I don’t think we have class C though. I am really thankful for all the radio practice. You’re right, it feels like a steep learning curve now ( I’m a pre-solo student 🤣) but I know it will pay off. Dudes in the tower are pretty patient too 🤣🤣🤣
Situational awareness around a bravo air space is always a good idea.
Not excusing the busted airspace by the pilot here, but a wonder if when the controller started to say “Frequency Change” the pilot swapped frequencies right away without acknowledging the frequency change approval. I also wonder if they tried to reach him on 121.5.
A possibility, but the vast majority of pilots would wait to the end of the transmission so they could respond with at least an acknowledgement, if not a readback, as opposed to punching the "swap" button while the words "frequency change a.....'" were still pulsing through the cable up to your headset.
Watching this as it ticked over to 1M subs. Congratulations, Kelsey! 😀
Kennedy Steve needs to fill his retirement with teaching pilots how to talk fast. So fast that ATC comes back with "uh, say again?" Speaking at 60 gusting to 90 as Rod Machado says. Though I expect KS is already busy giving Delta Tug tips. 😁
Thanks! You have provided me (and the rest of the 74 crew) some great entertainment and information. Love your channel.
I fly out of kORL, the controllers tell pilots they need to check bravo shelf all the time. even atop the airport itself bravo is at 1600 so I usually climb to about 1400
I'm not a pilot but hearing "fly left-bound" literally makes no sense... What would that even mean
Kelsey: Mixing heavies with Skyhawks makes no sense
/ CLASS C AIRSPACE has entered the conversation
I regularly drive spam cans into Bravo airspace and airports. No big deal. I find the controllers working the Bravo are much more professional than some of the smaller fields.
I flew my Saratoga into many Class B airports. I never had a problem. I will concede that a Saratoga can keep higher speed on final than a 172. On another note, I’ve asked for clarification many times. I’ve never had a controller sound annoyed and I’ve had than thank me.
ATC seemed pretty cool. He just wanted to speak to the pilot and talk over the issue. Very professional.
The controller failed to pick up the pilot's incorrect read back of left not west. Had the controller listened and corrected the pilot this could have been avoided. Both the newbie pilot and a busy controller learned a lesson that day.
To me it sounded like the pilot said west. Only from dissecting what happened afterward could I see that he did probably say left. Also, the ATC was expecting to hear “west” which can mess with what you actually here, like the whole Yanny/Laurel thing.
When you got tons of things to think, a pretty loud engine, and some stress, it makes it pretty hard. I’m sure that controller never heard such thing as leftbound before. It all sounds pretty similar. Main reason for the phonetic alphabet and mentioning the number 9 as niner. If the student had enough training and payed attention he’d know that leftbound isn’t a thing.
And it’s an Asian pilot…have yet to hear one that can actually not mess up radio comms
@@flapppytappybird7923 lmao, you saw that solo Asian dude that literally landed off the runway using the yoke as the rudder?
@@sweetporcupine56 Yep, I think that's been explained in other videos, "expectation bias". Very hard to overcome.