RV Brands Being DELETED, Show Season Results • RV Industry Update February 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- We're two months into 2024 and RV Show season is officially here. With that I take some time to look thru early show season results and market indicators to help give you an idea of how this year may pan out!
Additionally as promised last month I go thru the list I've compiled regarding the potential fate of several brands that may be on their way out of the RV industry
00:00 Topics
01:16 Used Market
05:41 New Market
08:10 Brand Changes
09:40 Heartland
12:11 Forest River
13:31 Palomino
15:00 Mallard
18:18 Keystone
21:54 Hidden Fees
28:06 Show Season
31:02 Fuel Prices
33:05 More Camping!
36:14 RV Safety
39:59 CICADAGEDDON!!
42:01 Thank You!!
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*IMPORTANT CORRECTIONS!* Please see this companion video! th-cam.com/video/ooXfI1et6So/w-d-xo.html
Information has come to me since this video was published that was not previously available to me. I've trimmed erroneous segments from the video due to the following updates:
*CARDINAL/WILDCAT REMAINING IN PRODUCTION!*
_FOR CLARITY!!_
Cardinal(Red) and Wildwcat(One) are both being retired
But Cardinal/Wildcat *PROPER* is here to stay
*HEARTLAND BIG COUNTRY IS STILL GOING STRONG!*
Reports the brand was retiring appear to have been incorrect.
*FOREST RIVER 90-DAY WARRANTY FOR AGED UNITS:*
This used to be the case but was changed in May. It seems I did not get the Memo. That's on me. If your Forest River RV is new-in-stock you get your full warranty upon purchase.
I never claimed to be perfect but I'm doing my best! Thank you for the understanding and please let me know if any add'l corrections are required!
Thank you, Josh for setting me straight. You are the one I trust for information. I will be returning to camping as a solo senior and I don't want to mess up.
Your are 100% right! You are not the only one making videos about the shoddy RV quality being sold to the public, and not just Grand Design. It’s ridiculous to pay 100k and it falls apart on the way home!
shoddy RV quality being sold to the public. that nothing new they been that way from day one, ripped 2x4 rejects put together with staples no glue next to nothing for insulation, you freeze to death moose hunting in 25F+
that's because people are stupid. Stop buying them for 100k and they will stop selling them for 100k that simple.
We don’t even teach History because by design we are currently trying to erase our History😢
This way later, we can just repeat it
And create an alternate history.
@@ride-electric yeah like black George Washington lol
As always - great information. "Waterproof clipboard - more great recipes" Dude - you keep this fun. It is a very serious purchase decision and I thank you for always being so thorough but doing so with fun and some flair. You do your job VERY well.
Wow, thank you for that. I appreciate hearing it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd I COMPLETELY AGREE! Well done Uncle Josh! ! 😉
Agree always great information and very helpful.
Josh you are the reason we have purchased our last 2 fifth wheels in Coldwater which is a bit of a drive from Monroe with quite a few different dealers closer to us
I want to thank you Josh, SO MUCH for mentioning the info about the FR warranty on a 2022. We were a breath away from buying a new 2022 Rockwood 5th wheel, and had not been informed about the warranty on an older model. The consumer needs to know this and we didn't, and even though we have worn ourselves ragged the last 6 months trying to cover all our bases and find out all we could, we had not run into this. Kudos to you for just putting it all out there.
It’s tough stuff to share but it’s important you know
Josh just wanted to let you know that you are appreciated for the hard work you put into these videos!! They are very informative and helpful.
Thank you 😊
We are glad that you keep bringing up the ABS issue. No doubt, your videos are forcing the RV industry to get serious about safety. Thanks again for your videos.
I’ve found that sometimes how we make change happen
I am in my 33rd year of driving an 18 wheeler. All of those years I have been a company over-the-road (OTR) driver. Twenty -three of those years have been driving trucks with ABS systems. Just in the past few years these trucks have been getting out fitted with disc brakes (always had drum brakes). With ABS and disc brakes our ability to stop from highway speeds to zero has greatly been improved. The collision mitigation system you spoke about that applies brakes if you get too close to another vehicle is still a flawed system but the industry is working to improve it. In example, the radar sees shadows under bridges as a wall. Generally speaking no one wants to hit a wall so the radar tells the brakes "crash is imminent" and stops the vehicle. If you have quick reflexes you can override the system by pressing on the gas pedal. My reflexes have improved with this system in the trucks I drive. It can be unnerving to deal with but it just might make drivers more attentive to driving and less looking at their phones because they do not know when the radar will see a "ghost" and hit the brakes. When I retire I will be a first time RV buyer. I will have with me two friends who have RV's and a boat load of videos with notebooks of notes with me. Please keep doing these videos of information. See you in three to four years sir.
Love this input from someone with several million miles under their belt. Ty!
I didn't mention it but you are right, 2.9+ million certified accident free miles and counting. Thank you for recognizing the effort.
get out of trucking as soon as possible.
Hairyyeti21 that is a broad statement. Are you willing to give any details? Did you drive?
We love RV Show season, Best way to see a ton of RV's in one spot!
I went to Tampa to scout, it was awesome! Laughing at Josh saying the weather was "as bad as it could have been". It did rain Friday afternoon and was a little cool Saturday, but it sure beat -35C in Canada! The locals were all dressed in sweatpants and puffer jackets and looking a little miffed, though ...
Hey Josh- I don't normally post much but, I just wanted to take a pause and thank you for all your insights into the RV World. We have been a subscriber for years and always look forward to your information. Keep up the good work!
Ty. I appreciate that
The "exemptions" in pricing AND the exclusion from Lemon Law, along with things like litigation has to happen in the State of the manufacturer (i.e. Indiana, home court advantage) indicates tom e that the lobby for the RV industry is REALLY doing well!
You are really spot on here. Like I said in the video, I really have some mixed emotions on it but as a consumer, I really don’t know that I like what’s happening.
So much great info! The RV industry will always drag its feet until required to act. That being said, just makes the info you put out here more and more important! Your work and RV Miles are by far our best source of really important information that truly effects us. Thanks so much and be well!
Jason and Abby are absolutely fantastic for sure
Wow Josh, whatba wealth of information. Thanks and I guess you got your steps in by viewing the entire Bish's RV lot. Some impressive inventory. Thanks ! Loved it!
Hey Josh, I never get tired of your excellent videos. You always keep it real, and you give us useful information with a splash of your wonderful humor (ps, dont ever change 😉). I appreciate that you are fast to make updates when they are warrented. I trust you, keep them coming! I've learned a lot from them!
Fuel prices don't slow us down. We just make adjustments elsewhere. Like campground or boondocking.
I appreciate that!
Thank you so much for looking out for us
Our pleasure!
We went to the Boston RV show and it was busy, we saw our first Brinkleys and they are amazing! No purchases but lots of dreaming.
👍🏻
Love these deeper insights into the industry! The first of the month is quickly becoming my favorite Nerd Herd time!
Josh, love your videos. Been watching for a while and simply love your humor and straight talk. Keep up the great work that you do. I for one appreciate it.
Thank you! I try 😊
Great info Josh! Keep em coming!!
Thanks! Will do!
Love the videos man. Always very informative.
Thank you, as always, for your fantastic info and updates!
My pleasure!
Another amazing video hollywood!! Thank you for all of the info and keeping us all informed!!
Hollywood lol
Thanks for the info. We’ve been watching you since we were first thinking about getting an RV. Glad you’re around as a source of info.
Awesome! Thank you!
Hey Josh. I really enjoy these updates. I know they're long but so informative. I just wanted to say thanks for the work you do on putting these reports together. Your tops in my book. Take care. 👍
Glad you like them!
Thank you for sharing your time and information, you are always fun to watch. I grew up camping and my Dad sold them in Memphis, TN late 60’s early 70’s and boy how they have improved since!😁 Have an awesome weekend
Yeah it’s crazy how things have changed
Thanks for the updates!
You bet!
As always very informative and entertaining. Great video. Not sure I have watched any other source of a 42 min before. You keep us tuned in and watching and time just flies by. Thanks for all you do.
I actually thought I didn’t have a lot to talk about in this video and figured it was only going to be about 18 minutes. Then when I sat down, I was like holy crap there’s a lot here.
Always enjoy the watching your update!
I appreciate that!
Thanks so much, Josh for all you do!! You ROCK!!
I appreciate that!
Thanks nerd, your videos are great.......very infromative.
Glad you like them!
Hey Josh, thank you for this information. It help me decided to proceed on with the purchase of a new Trailer instead of a used. Great job please keep this channel going, love the information and the comic presentation of trailers.
Glad I could help! I hope it treats you well
👍🏽your monthly industry updates is the one video I never miss! Appreciate everything you do👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🫶🏽
I appreciate that!
Thank you buddy for this. Much appreciate the honesty.
you got it
Thanks Nerd, as always good info and entertaining.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This video was very very helpful. Keep doing what you doing helping a lot of newbies like my self find the right travel trailer.
TY. I appreciate it!
Thank you for all you do for us..Your input.honeaty and knowledge helps us better understand on what to look for and what not to do when buying .Keep up the hard work and dedication we appreciate all the effort you do in your videos..
You are so welcome 🙏🏻
Another GREAT video!! Thanks for all the information.
Glad you liked it :)
Thank you for the update. YES, I want to see anti locks braks with anti sway programed in all products
Ty
Great info....really enjoy the videos!we chose your deslership in coldwater to purchase a fith wheel 1-1/2 ago...and had excellent customer service from start to finish!👍
Great to hear! Ty so much
Thank you for another great update Josh! 🇨🇦
As always I truly enjoy your market updates. Always interesting.
Glad you like them!
Always Love your videos and insight .. :)
I appreciate that!
Awesome information Josh !! Thanks
Glad you liked it! :)
Josh Great information 👍 Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure!
Great information. I worked at a Jellystone campground last year. On many weekends in summer and fall and holidays we were full. We had a lot of customers that made their reservations a year in advance. To get the site and date they wanted.
Thanks for sharing!
Uncle Josh 😀 I love your industry updates! You are a well of knowledge and I appreciate you!!
Many thanks Josh!
My pleasure!
Thanks nerd! Love watching your videos
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the information, always good advice
Our pleasure!
Thanks Josh for another super informative video! Keep up the good work!
You bet!
Great information Josh. I’d like to know more about how COVID-era RVs are now performing and the resale values of those purchased then and now showing up on the market since 2021 was a astronomical year.
Thanks for the info buddy.
You bet
Thanks again for the info...and for leaving me smiling.
Any time!
I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these industry updates. Very informative even if some are 'allegedly' comments.
Thanks for the update and for the continued honesty about the RV industry. I keep telling myself I’m going to stop at your place in Coldwater but I’m not sure you can get in there with a semi.
Literally literally right next-door though to our west is a Meyer parking lot where you can definitely park and walk over.
This presentation is what separates you from the rest of the presenters personalities, you not only know more, but you take the consumer, not sales exactly, in mind. You mix in the humour, and silliness & you, in my mind, the best!!!!
Loved the comment on the screen room sales...🤣 We will continue to travel this year even with the fuel prices. We live in northern Illinois so we are pretty used to being higher than most places. Traveling we usually get cheaper fuel once we leave the area, and I have had these reservations for a year so we are going! (yes... I am a planner). Also YES on the ABS! Its a safety thing not just a convenience thing.
Thanks for making such great videos! Very much appreciate the time you dedicate to your channel.
lol 😆
Glad you enjoyed. Ty Jenn
Thanks Josh Love these monthly reports.
Glad you like them!
Very informative thank you for the industry update. We travel to Florida a couple times a year if you want to stay at the national parks it’s like trying to get tickets to a Def Leppard concert you need to be on the website when they are open to reservation 180 days out you want pit tickets but end up with upper deck. Many of the private resorts are booking out a year in advance. Our state parks in Illinois normally have availability with exceptions to holidays.
I don’t know… Last time I tried seeing pour some sugar on me over the phone to the campground reservations clerk, they just hung up on me
Thank you for being straightforward with all the information. We went to the ft wayne rv show yesterday and it blows my mind that the dealers, all of them, would bring units and not go through and touch them up is sad and they can't just put the blame on the manufacturer. I can't tell you how many cabinet doors I opened that would not shut or stick against the next door. Trim that is done so poor that it can't be missed. I hope your bish locations take time to spruce up the details because we can all see the lacking quality and it makes the dealer look bad when they don't make the effort either. Have a good one.
I’ve seen that too. Drives me nuts
Thanks Josh as always appreciated
Always appreciate your information, candor & humor. Seems like the ABS on all trailers would be a great safety feature.
Fingers crossed!
Fuel prices will not slow me down at all. Thank you for another great video. More campsites is great news.
Yes they are!
Great video. Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it
Keep up the great work!!!
Thanks Josh for the info.
You bet!
Thanks Nerd!
Josh, wife and I love your reviews. We bought a 2024 Cougar 23MLE based in large part on your honest reviews. You describe all the good, bad and ugly about a product. Keep up the good work! We appreciate it!
Ty for the kindness! Mind dropping me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review for the helping hand?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Done! In your review you said you thought this would be the perfect couples camper. All of our camping friends have so far agreed with you!
As usual. FUN filled info
TY Ken! I'm glad you enjoy it :)
Good info Josh ! I hope this year will be positive. Inspections are still strong right now and I am glad people are realizing just how much an independent inspection is necessary.
I plan on staying close to home and spending less overall. The economy is very bad right now in many areas and I will be saving some money back. I also will not be attending any RV shows as I have in the past. I am focusing on going to different dealerships and looking at new technology and floorplans for free..
My dachshunds consider cicadas fine dining. I always think, these poor cicadas spent 17 years in the ground, only to be eaten by a doxie!
I think it’s how they would’ve wanted to go
Best RV industry updates on TH-cam!
Our big show at Cleveland had a rather dismal turn out. Weather didn't help, but the biggest deterrent is current interest rates. 9-11% is stopping a lot of people (myself included) from investing in a newer/larger RV. You are right about certain RV dealers, we were at a show and looking at floor plans. The salesman didn't have one we liked at the show but did at his lot. He said we really needed to put a down payment on it cause he knew2 it would sell fast. Not buying a pig in a poke we declined. The unit was still on his lot 3 months later!
I love the Intel thank you
I don't play that game from sales people. If it sells it wasn't meant for me, otherwise I move in my time. Same with the housing market. Everyone jumping too fast and offering over asking and playing in bidding wars lol. No thanks
Thanks!! Informative information....
Glad it was helpful!
Been watching the channel i.e. "window shopping" weekly now for at least two years@@JoshtheRVNerd, thank you...
Really enjoy these updates
As long as people want to watch them, I’ll keep making them
Also Uncle Josh, I wear my Bish's Hoodie like everyday and it's a great way to meet other campers that are a part of the Bish's family! I sing your praises 🎉 thank you!
Love that!
Thank you for what you do!
My pleasure!
hey Josh, love all the videos, great job! since you are able to provide such clarity on junk fees could you give an example of someone bying an RV with no junk fees, showing a "mock bill of sale". this will provide a great visual for us newbees!
Great idea. Ty
Yes, yes, 1,000 times yes, ABS should be standard. IMHO, better suspension than the junk put on most TT also should be standard. Thanks for the video Josh!
I totally agree with you linkfloyd!! 👏👏 👏 👏 👍👍
Better suspension is hands-down one of the most underrated features out there
Love what you do josh keep it up
Ty!!
Josh, we made the decision at end of season 2023 to purchase a beautiful used trailer to keep at our favorite campground on a permanent basis. Only a 1-hour drive, with little or no planning and we can be RVing anytime. Our smaller RV sits in the driveway ready to be hitched up and go. Never thought we be a 2 RV family! Both units are Jayco and were built pre-pandemic with no major issues. Thanks for being "real" with your opinions, it is hard to find truth-tellers our here in digital land. -Rick
That is awesome! Hope it treats you well
Great stuff as always Josh.
Glad you enjoyed it
ahead of the curve...👍🙂
Good job, lots of information
Glad it was helpful!
Great vid! Really enjoy watching while poolside in 70f sunny weather :)
really like the ABS, I am big on safety, but that said also do not want more government trying to protect us. our government is too big as it is. People / users, need to be better informed (like what you are doing) and get educated on how to enjoy the RV while staying safe.
Regarding the fees, that is one of the reasons we bought from BISH. very straight forward. Yes, you guys charged a bit higher on some of the install gear, but was still in my budget. People do use a budget when purchasing right? :O
Thanks again for the time and effort you put into these videos. Much appreciated way down here in the south!
The whole fees thing just absolutely grind my ears. It’s become so disgustingly predatory.
I love your channel! Thank you for all your advice because help me to choose the correct RV for my family.
I’m surprised that you don’t sale the brand Trailmanor.
We carry quite a bit across our lineup, but we don’t carry everything necessarily. There’s some good stuff out there. I wish we had our hands on.
Hi Josh, I’ve been following you for some time. I truly appreciate everything that you bring out and how excited you get about new things and telling us the latest what’s happening in the RV industry. My question is I’ve been looking at so many different, TH-cam videos to make sure I get the right information and the right fifth wheel, we’ve been living in our 2011 Montana high country. It’s been good to us. Few things we had to fix but we always make sure that we renewed our extended warranty and it was nice because we’re full-time living in it not traveling in it and to have a mobile tech come out is awesome and our insurance always covered that but in our area we got a flood and so we got mold and so I’m looking for a new RV fifth wheel I’ve been hearing so many horror stories about fifth wheels being made during the Covid time, they just even hired people off the street because they couldn’t keep up with the demand and you could see it in so many of the RVs on how they been being built. Can you please tell me what would be the best year to get that wasn’t affected by the pandemic, I really like the pinnacle alliance. I’m looking for a really good one that has a bunk room. Thank you, Josh.
Unfortunately, there’s no real direct answer to your question. Results varied by brand. There were some companies that did really well during that. And some of that did not. I think the best thing I can suggest is if you see an RV you might like then consider hiring an independent inspector to go through it.
I like how you explain the campers you’re very good at it
Well thank you!
I make campground reservations 9 months in advance. I like to see added fees stopped. I’m for safety equipment such as antilock brakes, backup cameras and reverse lights. Nice video Josh.
Thank you, Bob
We had a Red Heeler that would catch Cicadas as they came out of the ground and eat them, crunchy tasty treat!
Ground Raisins 😆
Thanks Josh
My husband and I have been enjoying your videos for years! I vote that you come to the RV show in Omaha! We’d love to meet you in person! As a Realtor, I always enjoy your market updates on the RV industry.
I just might do that
Great video - thanks for the info. Anti-lock brakes on trailers? Yes please!
Camping plans/gas prices - our son is a 4th grader this year, so when he's done with school we're hitting the road from Wisconsin and doing a 2.5 week desert southwest loop trip hitting 8 different parks. Making reservations at national park campgrounds 6 months in advance was difficult but we got sites in every location we were looking for. I didn't like hearing the prognostication for fuel prices, but to us that's the cost of doing what we love so we'll go anyway. I'm sure we spent more at Disney last year for way less time!
Yeah, daddy mouse definitely finds a way to make his money
Fantastic as usual! One observation from Tampa - you mentioned Brinkley and Alliance did well. I heard and witnessed the same thing on-site. I think the average Tampa show buyer is a more seasoned buyer, and that may lead them to go to brands with a customer service reputation, as you said. But I also think they aren't the type of buyer that's interested in all the de-contented stuff. And there was a lot of that stuff in Tampa. Some popular brands had to lose floor space to make room for the multiple lines of "Access" and "Essentials" stuff.
It really feels like right now. What people are buying is confidence in peace of mind. The RVs that represent that are the ones that seem to be doing the best.
Thank you by the way for the local Level insights
Love watching your videos! Kevin always notices the weird stuff. He said you’re wearing like four shirts and a jacket. It made him chuckle!
It was a cold day. You learned in Michigan to dress in layers because the temperature swings 30 to 40° every day.
So undershirt, my Work polo, lightweight hoodie, coat
Yes on abs. Stopping is a issues. Second solar important and unneeded decals.
great video, very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
I look forward to your shows
I teach Automotive Technology at the Walker County Center of Technology in Jasper-AL. We serve 6 high schools on a daily basis. I'm and avid camper and watch your channel. We just purchased an Alpha Wolf 2500RL-L. I have contactEd several manufacturers and schools to try and get them involved in our school. I do all repairs and Maintenance of my campers and have seen little support for training programs.
Keep doing what you’re doing!
Dude you crack me up also good job this month as well
Thanks! 😁