I noticed that they are using the higher priced HP batteries from Ryobi not the standard batteries that you get with a tool. Ryobi claims these are 25-30% more powerful which really ties in with the performance we saw in this video
Ryobi HP is a circuit feature (and to some extent a marketing push) which is designed to detect/confirm that a parallelized battery configuration is connected to the tool. It is designed to prevent damage to smaller battery packs such as the 1.5 or 2 Ah packs where they could exceed the 20 A discharge limit of those cells in some tools. Ryobi uses a range of different cells (in capacity and from different manufacturers) some 'HP' packs have cheap low capacity cells and others have expensive LG/Sony/Panasonic cells.
In Australia, genuine Ryobi batteries are up to 4 times the cost of the aftermarket versions and are almost never on sale. My experience has been that the knockoffs aren't quite as powerful and run down more quickly, but still work. I simply wouldn't be able to use a Ryobi tool at all if I had to pay full Ryobi prices. I'm considering a cordless mower - Ryobi batteries add $350 to the cost. The aftermarket option adds just $88. For me, it's aftermarket or nothing unfortunately.
WoW What A Big Difference In The USA. Do you have other date options to buy it cheaper for - On Sale Deals? I have over 40 batteries & never buy batteries at regular price, we can't afford it here either. We buy on Black Friday, Father's Day & special sale days only. If I don't see a deal that's reasonable that I like them I keep it moving. Like - 18 volt 4 AH Battery, but 1 for $99. & get 1 Free. But if not on sale then each battery is $99. Ryobi is the cheapest with quality here in the USA. I set funds aside waiting on the deals to roll in. We have Ryobi tools assortment, propane heater, camping lights, flashlight, vacuum cleaners, shop vac, fans, & more; all on the 18 batteries. Leaf blower, chainsaw & lawnmower is 40 volt. I use all of my tools for ministry work & my electric backup plan. So GOD has been Good to us. We always Stay In PRAYER 🙏 even if I don't feel like it. Stay In PRAYER 🙏 & HE'll lead one thru A HOT BOILING MESS! Stay In PRAYER 🙏 Is What's Up 👍
Aussie here aswell, ive got the mower it works well and yeah I just got 2x 12ah batteries for like 110 bucks off ebay, my biggest battery was a couple 4ah so hopefully these 12ah off ebay do atleast 5 or 6ah and I'll be happy.
@@missionscrapprwill7530 There is never sale deals here in Australia "Bunnings" (Our version of Home Depot) has no real competition and are the exclusive stockists of Ryobi. They run on a (fake) platform of "everyday low prices" (Astronomical markups - Again - No competition) and therefore never do sales. Outside clearance sales for model updates. Cartel behavior. fake batteries are sometimes the only option.
I have been using aftermarket batteries since I found them and they work great. Fans, lights, chargers/inverters you can't beat the 9ah prices. When you are paying a 3 to 1 ratio then you have to decide. Great video.
@rubyshoes9195 I can tell you that I have the regular ryobi one+, ryobi HP, and several of the generics. I have the same rate of failure with all of them. Several of the super expensive Ryobi HP batteries came DOA.
I think the big takeaway is that the aftermarket batteries are only providing 50% watt hours they list. You could buy smaller Ryobi batteries and get roughly the same price to watt hours. I would go with the name brand if I'm not saving any real money. Plus, the Ryobi stuff is constantly on sale.
My initial reason for purchasing a 3rd party battery was "Once burned, twice shy". My two original batteries died even though they hadn't been used many times. I decided to go with something less expensive so I wouldn't lose as much if it happened again. It hasn't, and I now have three 3rd party batteries that have been serving me well.
I had a similar issue with some 40volt batteries. I had 1 brand new battery, still in the box, from 2018. DOA. Wouldn't charge. Luck would not be kind to me that day. I had 2 40volt batteries just stop working. Said I had full power, but would not power up anything. So, I'm ok with after market batteries. They may not last as long but I can get 2+ for the price of 1.
Aftermarket is a way better deal. I always buy aftermarket batteries. Also, some people think if they buy the real Ryobi batteries that they are made in the USA. No, they are all made in China.
I buy original Ryobi but only on sale. Most , maybe all of mine were with tools. And often getting a battery and charger with a tool is only $10 or so higher. That's why I have 9 of them so far. There was one time, because of the sale price it was cheaper with the battery than the tool alone. I've bought the knockoffs once and they don't hold up over time like the real ones.
I have about 20 after market Amazon batteries from different brands. Ryobi 18 and 40, Dewalt flex 60, 20 and 12, Milwaukee 18 and 12, Skil 12 and Makita. None have failed. The thing they ALL have in common is the exaggerated AH ratings. I have no way to measure instantaneous AMPS output so can't speak to that. I have timed them all on fans and lights and can say without a doubt the rated AH is exaggerated. That said the batteries are typically 25%-40% cost and you are getting maybe 60%-80% of the performance. If you go into it knowing this then you won't be disappointed. I'm not a pro, simply diy so I'm not really risking anything either just for full disclosure.
Don't forget about warranties. Ryobi has a 3-year warranty. Aftermarket warranties usually state 1-year warranty (if the company is still in business). Lots of negative reviews on aftermarket companies not providing warranty support after the 30-day Amazon return period.
I use both aftermarket and genuine Ryobi batteries with our Ryobi electric mower, whipper snippet and blower. The main difference I notice is the price difference not run time or charging time. I will continue to buy aftermarket batteries. I have been using these now for 3 years.
All my tools are Ryobi and have used factory and aftermarket batteries. If your using lights and drills, aftermarket batteries are fine, however one the high amp draw tools like circular saw, grinders the knockoff batteries dont have the amperage. My saws will cutoff easily vs genuine batt has no problem. I have also noticed most of the newer batteries are what i call 2 year batt, once they get past the first year they degrade pretty quick, although both genuine and copy have failed within the 2 years, the copy tend to ail sooner. For light duty work though you can't beat the cost of aftermarket batteries, they are cheap and you can buy several for the cost of one which i prefer, so nice to have extra charged batteries ready to work instead of having to stop and charge.
AN EXCELLENT VIDEO! Your video addressed all my concerns whereas other videos and articles did not. Although I was hoping for just a little bit better performance, I'm going to try a pair. Being I use them mostly around the house, and sometimes to help friends or neighbors--polesaw, drills, chainsaw, circular saw... I'm hoping they'll be good enough for me. Thanks so much. I know Ryobi batts would be better, but the price! I don't mind spending extra money for quality, but I do mind spending an excess of money for a 'Name', no matter the product. A little extra... Maybe. An excess... Nope. Thanks again 👍 :)
Ryobi Real vs Amazon Batteries: A Comparison - An aftermarket 6Ah 18V battery purchased from Amazon was tested against a genuine 6Ah 18V battery from Ryobi to see if the cheaper Amazon option was a viable alternative for Ryobi power tools. - The physical attributes like weight and fit in various Ryobi tools were very similar between the two batteries. The aftermarket battery weighed just slightly less at 1 lb 7 oz compared to 1 lb 10 oz for the genuine Ryobi battery. - Performance tests were conducted using tools like an impact driver driving TimberLok screws, a drill driver, and a reciprocating saw. In these tests, the genuine Ryobi battery seemed to provide a bit more power compared to the aftermarket option. - A runtime test using a constant load (a light on highest setting) showed a significant difference. The aftermarket battery lasted around 3.5 hours, while the genuine Ryobi battery nearly doubled that at 6 hours of runtime. - Charging times also differed, with the aftermarket battery taking 3 hours to recharge fully using the same Ryobi charger, compared to just 1 hour 52 minutes for the genuine battery. - While the aftermarket Amazon battery worked compatibly with the Ryobi tools and had built-in safety features, the genuine Ryobi battery demonstrated superior performance in power output, significantly longer runtime, and faster recharging - indicating higher overall battery capacity and quality. - Though much cheaper, the aftermarket battery fell short in these key performance metrics when compared to Ryobi's own batteries made specifically for their power tools.
For all those saying you've had success with aftermarket ryobi batteries, could you please post up what brand you did end up purchasing and from where?
I can buy two regular Ryobi 4 amp hour batteries at Home Depot for $79.99. A lot of times during the year you can buy the same batteries for $99.99 and you get a free tool. I've been using these batteries for many years now and they work for all my projects. I see no reason to save a few dollars by buying an inferior battery.
@@livefreeandtoolonthat’s exactly why. You’ll never notice and performance hit just testing it like this. What you’ll need to do is test it at 6 months - year and see if it matched the genuine battery. If it does great! These are awesome and should be looked into. If not, then you know to only get genuine batteries.
@@matthoffman6962I agree with you, cheap generic batteries often have much shorter life span. But considering how the real battery had 2x the actual capacity of the generic, as far as I am concerned the generic is a poor deal. You can frequently get great deals on the real batteries at Direct Tools.
I bought a pair of aftermarket Batteries 4 amp 18 volt. They are good after 3 years. Probably not as long running as a Ryobi. But dollar for dollar a better buy then the Ryobi Batteries. Only $35 dollars for 2 4 AH batteries. thank you for a great video.
You da Man !!! When it comes to Lithium batteries, and the complex circuitry inside with the protective features, and the BMS, I am hesitant to mess with third party batteries. Yes, batteries are expensive, but the DESPot just ran some killer deals on OEM batteries during the Holidays, and one can also save during Ryobi Days. To each their own, and more power to anyone buying aftermarket batteries. As always, YMMV.
Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
I've had genuine Ryobi batteries last less than a year, so I decided to try the cheap knockoffs. So far they don't power the tools for as long before needing a charge, but they've been solid so far. Considering the price I'll probably get some more.
I had a similar issue. My two original Ryobi batteries died on me without many charge cycles used, but my 3 aftermarket batteries are still going years later. The one thing I've observed is they sometimes exaggerate the capacity, but even with that taken into account, they aftermarket battery still is a good deal. More important to me, however, is they didn't cost as much and haven't died.
I've had several of the 5ah aftermarket knock-off batteries for a few years now, and they're still going strong. At the time I purchased them, I got 2 for $60 Canadian roughly, and single authentic 4ah here was roughly $75, so all in all, a great bang for buck! Also worth mentioning, I have a couple of Makita knock-offs from the same dealer (Powertree), for about two years now that are still performing great.
Yes, I've also got a couple of 3rd party Makita 18v batteries that I've had for a good number of years. They work well - even on the plunge saw. As long as you go through Amazon, if they don't work, you can always get a replacement, or refund. They can be had even cheaper on Ebay, but good luck with a dead parrot and getting a replacement or your money back.
Hi, In Australia as well I "inherited" a ryobi, line trimmer, edge cutter, and the leaf blower, about 2 to 3 years old 18v+ items The battery is a 4 amp which suprised me, but on the garden tools i get 30 to 40 mins work and it goes flat, the 2amp charger takes about 90 to 120 mins to charge it, now the issue is after about 30 mins with the lawn mower, then 30 minutes with edger, trimmer, 5 mins with the leaf blower i call it a tiring 60 mins in summer, when have the battery go flat with say 10 to 15 mins work left. I re-charge it, but am not really in the mood to go back out in the sun for part 2. Anyway, in AU prices for genuine The 4amp battery = $140 ( $140 ea ) Twin 4amp $ 199 ( $ 100 each ) 4 amp + 1.5 amp charger $ 140 ( so why buy just the battery for the same price ) RID18 drill tool/skin only = $99 ( standard drill ) RHD18 drill tool/skin only = $99 ( hammer drill ) But the kid of Drill + Hammer Drill + 4amp battery + 1.5 amp charger = $200 So i bought the kit, paid $50 more than the battery and got a free charger and 2 drills Now for aftermarket Big W ( sort or like target / walmart ) 2 x generic aftermarket 6am = $109 ( 55 each + 6amp not 4) Ebay generic 6amp = $33 each , but that price you need to buy 4 So here is the deal, multiply amps x qty and divide dollars, the ebay one is 33 - 6 amps or close enough to just over $5 per amp Even if they only hold 1/2 the charge, that is $10 per amp. Here is the problem, assume the work at 1/2 capacity or 1/2 life / recharge rate, they are very cheap, so my take is , use the genuine and pick up 2 cheapies for backup - in hindsight i should have purchases 2 generic 6amp unknowns for $33 each The reason i did not is because it is a gamble, if the ebay ones work, great, even if they really have 1/2 the grunt or life they are still value, but if they are DOA or die outside the flimsy warranty if any, you will have a struggle to deal with a ebay who is probably buy and flip items that came of aliexpress or similar - really there can not be more than a handfull of factories that make these - and if they are making 10 - 20% they wont be interested in after sale service - the other thing is assume the will help, the postage to return and reissue these will be more than the battery price !!! My local bunnings store ( similar to home depot ) is in every suburb, all PC's are linked up so when they bar code scan the item, it is tracked regardless of which store in the country it was purchased from, and they give you a new item of the shelf as soon as the goods are identified within warranty - i have had a few cases where the tools are pristine - i had a bosch 12v cordless drill - in the cardboard box, in the plastic tool box, and i had used it about once or twice a year just on Pc's - the battery would not charge up, it was almost 5 years old and 3 years out of warranty but they replaced it because it was clear it had less than 30 mins use - i was lucky Milwaukee / Makita / DeWalt tools in Australia and all used by builders, i have them at work, but there after sales is close to useless - we keep every tool purchased in a A4 plastic sleeve with docket paperwork / instructions , photo of box / photo of tool serial numbers and most times the tool is returned with all paperwork and it is " assessed for warranty / repairs " which is common to be 4 to 6 weeks , what annoys me is i use 2 local dealers ( whoever has items in stock ) and we spend about 20-25k in hand power tools per annum
I feel like for high drain tools the OEM batteries are best. For low drain devices like the lights and Bluetooth speakers the aftermarket batteries are a great deal.
I would add that a run time test on a high drain tool would also determine if the knock-off battery will overheat. That's what I discovered using knock-off batteries on my chainsaw. They got down to 2 bars and stopped working. I think they overheated and shut down. My genuine Ryobi batteries did not shut down from overheating.
I know this video is a little older, but if THEY reached out to YOU to test the aftermarket battery, i would be weary. It's been well 'documented' that they send "good" batteries to reviewers, and ship everyone else batteries with cheaper cells in them. Take that for what you will
I bought a similar batter on Amazon, I think I spent $50-$60 for a two pack. I wasn't paying attention when I bought the aftermarket batteries, I'm new to this so I didn't think to look. I noticed once I opened it up. I looked up the reviews afterwards and noticed that what I got either the batteries failed quickly or people thought they were awesome. It is too early for me to know.
i keep frying the cheap ones w my impact guns, didn't work well w the grinder, and sometimes they just die, but it's hard to beat the price, i'm gonna try the ryobi's on sale this time
I’ve tested my battery after seeing this video with a genuine and after market in the same tools and it was nothing like you were showing I’m definitely staying after market now and when I do finally burn them out for that price I’ll go buy a new one
I always respected Ryobi. I used it in the beginning in construction people constantly hated on it. It is a very good tool for what it is and for the price point you can’t beat it but at the same time, you gotta have some quality in there and raw performance. that’s why a lot of people move away from that too Milwaukee, Dewalt or Makita. I can guarantee you if you put a 40 V Makita drill on that paddle bit it would fly through It like it wasn’t even there..
Seems like they’re pretty equivalent to a legit 4ah, and I’ve got a DTO nearby so I’ll keep my cheap legit ones haha. Pretty nice for those without a DTO nearby I’d say though 🤷♂️
I would be curious about the higher amperage batteries(6Ah or 9Ah) in high draw equipment like a skill saw or grinder. Would the aftermarket battery be able to provide as much current as OE? Would it be more likely to melt down? In things like drills and lights, I don't think it's as critical, but can you beat them up?
Also have both genuine (dozens) and aftermarket (3) - One aftermarket was DOA, the other two are going OK, but their draw down time is noticeably not as good. Every battery I purchase I write the month/year in texta on it when I give it its first charge and use. I'm just starting to throw away (send to recycling) 2018 batteries, have also thrown away a 2015 recently being the best outcome. Finding the newer ones (2020 to 2022) are fading faster, threw away my first 2021 the other day. Finding a few in this category show 3 bars still when actually no power left. They'll still charge, but don't have great draw down, but still pretty good power for the shorter time.
I recently bought two 6AH after-market batteries, and neither would accept a charge, so they were returned. I have another after-market battery that I had for a little over a year and it stopped accepting a charge, so I jumped it and got it to charge. It seemed to drain too fast and now it will not accept a charge again and I can't jump it. I'll stick with the OEM batteries, they all work fine.
I have had mediocre results with off brands. The problem is quality control and returnability. I tend to wait for originals to go one sale. The HD near me had the 2,4, and 6ah batteries with charger for 99 bucks on a daily special. I prefer this route.
How well do they both perform after 50 charging cycles? How about 100 cycle? If the genuine battery lasts longer on a cycle and if it can be recharged more times, then it could potentially have a lower lifetime operating costs.
I have a few ryobi tools used infrequently enough that I've managed to get by with the original 2a genuine pack that was included with my first tool. However, i am going to pick up some aftermarket batteries. If they are comparable - great - if not, i can pulls the cells and replace them with some really good cells for peanuts. If the bms won't work with non ryobi cells, i can replace that too for cheap.
I have Ryobi batteries that are still kicking after a few years. Will the aftermarket ones last that long? Or do you have to keep replacing them over and over again? That is a big deal. My concern is, lets say the alternative is cheaper but wears out much faster, you aren’t actually saving money if your using these tools heavily.
The problem the aftermarket one on this video is the books. They gets loose or don’t move well over time so you need flat screwdriver to pry the battery out of tools. That’s super annoying. If you don’t use them often that’s might not be a big issue though.
I am at 6:13 in the video, and the statement is made "I think the real battery outperforms..." -- excuse me? Nothing in ANY of the tests to this point show any difference whatsoever between the two. In neither case do the tools shuts down, slow down, or anything indicative of inferior/superior performance of either battery! If you want to know which has better charge, then you do a series of voltage tests over time, or you can use a battery test setup to determine actual max charge available. If doing it between two tools, you have to do a test of total run time using the same tool for the entire test of both batteries. Something high-amp draw such as the sawzall should give an accurate comparison. Questions over which battery is best are based around functionality... are they each accurate in quoted amp/hr, and do they supply ample current to run the highest amp tools. Everything else is second, everything. If the answer is yes for both, then the question is longevity. I have both, and the Ryobi "real" batteries are horrible at longevity, where I have numerous aftermarket that are several years old and still functioning as well as new. I bought aftermarket at the same time as I bought many of my tools which came with "real" batteries. Not one of my original Ryobi batteries is still functioning, not even ONE. MOST of the aftermarkets still work. Two have failed out of eight so far in the same time span.
That was a good demo, Brent. I personally stick with Ryobi as they have always giving Me good luck. As My Dad used to always tell Me..."You get what You pay for."
I would love to see you do the same comparison on the 40 volt batteries. I just bought one on Amazon before I found your channel. I was hoping it would be just as good as the Ryobi but now I have my doubts.
I bought a 18v drill and impact kit from Ryobi over a decade ago. Both still workbut the batteries are starting to lose their capacity, they still charge but they don't last as long. I bought a pair of DTK 4ah batteries from amazon and poth seem to power the tools just fine. I then tried tocharge each of the new batteries; one charged just fine but the other just blinks red and never actually charges although it seems to run the tool fine. Concerned that one battery might have a bad board I told Amazon I was retrurning it. I then ordered a FSKE battery that looks identicle to the DTK's that I was sending back. Both the FSKE's power the tool just fine but neither one will charge - the red defective light just keeps blinking after a half hour GThe FSKE battery measures 19.6 v and seems to power the drill just fine It sees the aftermarket amazon 4ah batteries have flaky circuit bords that are not taling to the Ryobi charger. My old Ryobi battery measures 20.3v.and the original Ryobi weighs 1,5 lbs while the 4ah FSKE weighs 1.4 lbs - chinese cells for sure. I suspect the 4ah rating is a pipe dream. My question is are these afyrr market batteries safe to use> Il thy discharging one and see if it will charge back up
I ru n that same aftermarket battery in my Ryobi wet/dry vac. It doesn't last anywhere as long. Seems to get warmer then the same OEM battery. Last time I used it, I even got a electrical burn smell. I now use that battery in a drill. No more smell/over heating, but that's why you get two. They don't last as long in my experience.
With how crummy ryobi batteries have become I'm seriously considering buying some aftermarket. I have 8 ryobi batteries and the onky one that still works is also my oldest one. Some only worked a few months and a handful of charges before they quit charging. The cells are all still good on most of them but the boards are telling the chargers their bad.
The transformers on the Ryobi chargers......are they rated for 100-240V or just 110V. Thanks for a prompt reply, I am waiting to make an order. Same question, if you know the answer, for the hyper fast Ryobi chargers. Thanks
I bought 2x 40 volt 6Ah knock offs and they work great. Just as good as my regular 40 volt batteries. I've been cutting my grass with them for years. As far as the ones you have, they probably have 1 or so "not that good" cells.
Many after market "knockoffs" are not just sub-standard, they are actually genuine rip-offs. Beware of outrageous claims of 6ah, 9ah, and 12ah batteries. The weight is the clue. If you buy a Chinese battery, make sure you can send it back at the expense of the seller if it isn't as advertised. Often times they will refund you AND let you keep the battery. Sometimes they will refund half (essentially charging the correct price for the lower capacity they sent you). You will eventually get batteries that don't even have all the cells inside that they should. I got a 6ah battery that had one row of cells inside (2ah). But, the ones that are good are a great deal.
enjoy your test. FYI-my opinion. The knock would be OK for most home owners as it appears to last enough for most home use and with a shorter turnaround time, whereas I would think the Ryobi wouid be excellent for home use but even much better for heavy duty or commercial use
What is the real-life price of an OEM Ryobi battery? Last year I bought a Ryobi 40v tool with a 4Ah battery and charger on sale for $10 less than the battery only retail price! Sometimes you can get a multi tool kit with batteries and charger on sale for less money than the batteries themselves cost if bought separately. I am suggesting that if you need to buy Ryobi tools, then the OEM Ryobi batteries in those packaged kits are practically giveaways. Or the tools are free. Either way, the real-life cost of the OEM Ryobi batteries is not so easy to determine as a simple listing on a knock-off battery on Amazon.
I've never had to buy a knockoff ryobi battery because ryobi has sales at least once a year. During these sales, they are trying to move tools and usually have smoken package deals. A lot of times, they will have tool sales and a separate sale on battery's with a new charger for dirt cheap. I've found that buying and trying your old battery's on a new charger will refresh the old battery's. They won't be new but they have somehow seemed to taken more charge and given me a couple of extra months out of an old battery. I presently have 7 battery's and 4 chargers. May have to change battery's 4 or 5 times a day when building a shed or fence but that's what the chargers are for. Love my ryobi tools, not the best tools but they all use the same battery's saving me money in the long run.
Love to see a tear apart on the after market battery. Just searching the specs on the cells used would give you confirmation on if this is a 6ah battery or as usual a 3ah battery being sold as 6ah
Exactly. Half the runtime as a genuine Ryobi battery would seem to indicate half the rated capacity of the knock-off. Yes, people are happy thinking they saved money, but when you compare the actual run times, you are not buying the same capacity.
I'm in the craftsman it serms like the aftermarket batteries I tried off Amazon were about half of the power that was stated on the battery compared to the real ones.
I have both after market and genuine batteries and from experience I have Ryobi batteries that are over 10 years old, it doesnt store as much power these days, but they do store and still charge, the after market batteries on the other hand Im lucky to get 3 years from them, there seems to be an issue when the thin tin foil bridge burns out on them. Usually the inside batteries of the after market batteries are still in working condition. I am really surprised at the weights between them because the ones I have are significantly lighter than the original Ryobi batteries. I did score a 4ah and a 2ah for $130 a couple of weeks ago.
You can buy 2, 6 AH aftermarket batteries for the price of 1, OE 4AH, and get the same useable power for the same the cost. Works out to about the same overall in the long term.
I know there are good aftermarket batteries, but, there's also a lot of rip-off batteries too. I've gotten genuine stack batteries from legitimate sellers for a fraction of the regular price so I don't mess with aftermarket.
I purchased a cordless 40v Ryobi chainsaw about 7 years ago to use indoors for this house I gutted and rebuilt. The original battery that came with it only lasted for several charges then it wouldn't take charge so they sent a new one. Now that the replacement one sat for a few years, it won't take charge no matter what I do, I've even tried these hacks on TH-cam videos but no luck. Ryobi batteries are junk in my opinion. Never had that problem with all the DeWalt batteries I have and I've got a lot of them, and a lot of different dewalt tools I use them on.
The aftermarket batteries I purchased from eBay worked OK at first, but after about three recharges they would no longer recharge. After that I stuck with genuine Ryobi batteries. The aftermarket batteries from eBay look exactly like the ones from Amazon.
I rate aftermarket batteries 8/10 and Ryobi batteries 10/10. However I can buy 2 aftermarkets for the price of one Ryobi genuine battery. And if the aftermarket battery craps out I'll buy 2 more and still be ahead. It all depends upon what tool you are going to use the battery on.
the aftermarket battery really sucks in my 18v ryobi 16inch lawn mower. the ryobi 18v 4Ah batteries last much longer and go until they are dead compared to the aftermarket 18v 7Ah battery. the aftermarket batteries run for a fraction of the time then shut down from overheating with over half charge still left in them. I am sure the aftermarkets are fine for smaller draw tools and the mower should really have more power but it does work well w the 18v 4Ah battery and mow's for a longer duration than the aftermarket 18v 7Ah batteries. this has been my experience, thanks for the video!
For the most part I stick with OEM batteries; But back many years my wife bought me a B & D Firestorm combo set and for the money worked well did many home additions and repairs with it. Then B & D decided to change battery platform and the FS batteries got phased out also in that time I also went through 2 or 3 Dewalt cordless drills at my job, got so frustrated being 50 or more feet above ground and the Dewalts shit the beds, I actually had a B & D discount store nearby and bought their Quantum commercial hammer drill to finish a job. Back to battery story, for the FS and Quantum found I could get replacement batteries bought 3 all stating 3.5 AH been over 10 years those batteries and FS and Quantum still work. I've since moved on to Ryobi platform, but my Daughter is using the FS to this day ( I kept the Quantum though ) . So there is a place for 3rd party just don't expect 100% power output.
I just ordered 2 12ah knockoffs for 120 bucks. One 12ah genuine would cost me about 320 here in Sweden xD if they even act like a 6ah im happy because 1 6ah costs more then one 12ah.
I find that aftermarket have about 70% of their advertised rating for about half the price. Power for dollar ratio is in favor of after market. Longevity TBD.
I would add that having 2 non-original batteries even at half capacity, has the advantage that you can use one while the other is charging. Considering buying in to Ryobi, here in Scandinavia there are never any deals. The high battery pricing is blocking new customers.
I am surprised why tool batteries are still so expensive when we know that the price of lithium has halved over the past 10 years.Even if the after market battery has only half the power of a genuine Ryobi product when it costs only a third of the price or less it is still a better buy
I have heard comments about genuine Ryobi battery packs being unreliable. If that is true, it probably means the battery controller inside the pack is doing a bad job of cutting off the pack when the cells drops to 3V per cell. On a 5 cell pack, that would be 15V.
Got to wonder how much of the price of a Ryobi battery is paying for the name. The fact an aftermarket company can sell them for a quarter of the price tells something.
I think a better test would be a standard 4ah Ryobi battery vs the aftermarket instead of the HP battery, which is SUPPOSED to provide more power and a longer run time than the standard batteries.
So pretty much if it says 4ah it's really 2 or 3 ah battery for the off brand pretty much witch is still better than paying that much for a DIY tool or even high end tools just saying as long as they work not bad idea to have one or 2 of the original battery laying around though
The exorbitant cost of OEM batteries does not justify using them. It would be a much better buy if the tool was bought sans battery, then buy the Amazon battery. Even if the Amazon battery last 1/3 as long and has 80%+ the power of OEM while in use, it is a far better buy than the OEM. I have several Ryobi OEM batteries that came with the tool and several Amazon batteries I bought at the same time. Sadly, the OEM batteries went bad BEFORE the Amazon batteries did.
What your not saying is the newer genuine battery has a extra connection on it for the newer HP+ tools so unless you spend silly money on the newer batteries you will not get the benefit of the extra power from any HP+ tool even genuine older batteries are no good if you want the extra power
I have tools from all the colours of the rainbow. Ryobi tools are, without doubt, excellent value for money. The only downside is the eye-watering price of the batteries. I do own a three genuine Ryobi batteries. One that came with the tool - the leaf blower, where the battery was pretty much free - and the other two that cost more than the tool itself. Are they good batteries? Yes, absolutely! However, I did take a punt on an Amazon knock-off, claiming a 6.0ah rating. Well, as with your findings, the genuine battery does take longer to charge, weighs more, and last longer in use. That said, the copies are a fraction of the price - in some cases less than one quarter of the cost - and they do work. Honestly, I was on the lookout for a light 1.5ah battery for the 16g second fix nailer (excellent tool, if a tad heavy compared to the gas/battery Paslode it replaced), but opted, in the end, for a pair of 6ah batteries for £42 Sterling. Years later, they are still going strong.
I noticed that you are comparing a Ryobi high performance battery vs. a generic regular lithium ion. You won't see the difference in the batteries until you get to bigger tools like mowers, trimmers, and blowers that have more battery contacts requiring more power output.
I have owned and used Ryobi tools ever since the Blue Tool days. When aftermarket batteries first started coming out they were just plain juke. You were lucky if the tool even ran. The aftermarket quality is way up in most China knockoffs. But they are about 50% to 60% of the OEM batteries. They never have the run time and long term they usually die twice as fast. I am a heavy use DIYer. I need my tools to run. For most weekend warriors the knockoffs will do fine. Now I do have my old beater Blue Ryobi tools (yes most of them still run). These I loan out or use for my deep woods projects. And yes I use the aftermarket batteries for those tools. I ain't loaning out my good stuff.
Ryobi is running into the same issues that EV makers are having. It is when the battery pack costs more than the original toll/car. If a Ryobi battery is $100 or over, what is the point of selling a $45 saw/drill? The Ryobi tools are fine for home owners use but when the batteries CST twice or three times as much as the tool it seems stupid to me.
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I noticed that they are using the higher priced HP batteries from Ryobi not the standard batteries that you get with a tool. Ryobi claims these are 25-30% more powerful which really ties in with the performance we saw in this video
Ryobi HP is a circuit feature (and to some extent a marketing push) which is designed to detect/confirm that a parallelized battery configuration is connected to the tool. It is designed to prevent damage to smaller battery packs such as the 1.5 or 2 Ah packs where they could exceed the 20 A discharge limit of those cells in some tools. Ryobi uses a range of different cells (in capacity and from different manufacturers) some 'HP' packs have cheap low capacity cells and others have expensive LG/Sony/Panasonic cells.
In Australia, genuine Ryobi batteries are up to 4 times the cost of the aftermarket versions and are almost never on sale. My experience has been that the knockoffs aren't quite as powerful and run down more quickly, but still work. I simply wouldn't be able to use a Ryobi tool at all if I had to pay full Ryobi prices. I'm considering a cordless mower - Ryobi batteries add $350 to the cost. The aftermarket option adds just $88. For me, it's aftermarket or nothing unfortunately.
WoW What A Big Difference In The USA. Do you have other date options to buy it cheaper for - On Sale Deals?
I have over 40 batteries & never buy batteries at regular price, we can't afford it here either. We buy on Black Friday, Father's Day & special sale days only. If I don't see a deal that's reasonable that I like them I keep it moving. Like - 18 volt 4 AH Battery, but 1 for $99. & get 1 Free. But if not on sale then each battery is $99. Ryobi is the cheapest with quality here in the USA. I set funds aside waiting on the deals to roll in.
We have Ryobi tools assortment, propane heater, camping lights, flashlight, vacuum cleaners, shop vac, fans, & more; all on the 18 batteries. Leaf blower, chainsaw & lawnmower is 40 volt. I use all of my tools for ministry work & my electric backup plan. So GOD has been Good to us.
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In Sweden one 12ah cost about 300 and 2 fake ones cost 120. Even if they are worse ill be happy
Aussie here aswell, ive got the mower it works well and yeah I just got 2x 12ah batteries for like 110 bucks off ebay, my biggest battery was a couple 4ah so hopefully these 12ah off ebay do atleast 5 or 6ah and I'll be happy.
@@missionscrapprwill7530 There is never sale deals here in Australia "Bunnings" (Our version of Home Depot) has no real competition and are the exclusive stockists of Ryobi. They run on a (fake) platform of "everyday low prices" (Astronomical markups - Again - No competition) and therefore never do sales. Outside clearance sales for model updates. Cartel behavior. fake batteries are sometimes the only option.
@robertmiller6822 how did it go?
I have been using aftermarket batteries since I found them and they work great. Fans, lights, chargers/inverters you can't beat the 9ah prices. When you are paying a 3 to 1 ratio then you have to decide. Great video.
Me too. The 9Ah batteries are more like 6Ah. I wish they would be honest about that. $35, vs $180 for the 9Ah. I'd rather have 5 of the generic ones.
@@qua7771 ikr! But still awesome to have two for the price of one official and have one on charging standby.
I'd love to know how the battery life has held up vs the Ryobi.
@rubyshoes9195 I can tell you that I have the regular ryobi one+, ryobi HP, and several of the generics. I have the same rate of failure with all of them. Several of the super expensive Ryobi HP batteries came DOA.
@@40ozFatality Thanks for the data :)
I think the big takeaway is that the aftermarket batteries are only providing 50% watt hours they list. You could buy smaller Ryobi batteries and get roughly the same price to watt hours.
I would go with the name brand if I'm not saving any real money. Plus, the Ryobi stuff is constantly on sale.
My initial reason for purchasing a 3rd party battery was "Once burned, twice shy". My two original batteries died even though they hadn't been used many times. I decided to go with something less expensive so I wouldn't lose as much if it happened again. It hasn't, and I now have three 3rd party batteries that have been serving me well.
I had a similar issue with some 40volt batteries. I had 1 brand new battery, still in the box, from 2018. DOA. Wouldn't charge. Luck would not be kind to me that day. I had 2 40volt batteries just stop working. Said I had full power, but would not power up anything. So, I'm ok with after market batteries. They may not last as long but I can get 2+ for the price of 1.
Aftermarket is a way better deal. I always buy aftermarket batteries. Also, some people think if they buy the real Ryobi batteries that they are made in the USA. No, they are all made in China.
It seem everything make in China but just sticker made in USA or Mexico difference price
Never had any luck with the ebay/amazon aftermarket batteries, they suck ass and fail quickly.
@moonbox3381 aye if something is Mexico it's still America!
Truth! @@brandonadams2831
I buy original Ryobi but only on sale. Most , maybe all of mine were with tools. And often getting a battery and charger with a tool is only $10 or so higher. That's why I have 9 of them so far. There was one time, because of the sale price it was cheaper with the battery than the tool alone.
I've bought the knockoffs once and they don't hold up over time like the real ones.
I have about 20 after market Amazon batteries from different brands. Ryobi 18 and 40, Dewalt flex 60, 20 and 12, Milwaukee 18 and 12, Skil 12 and Makita. None have failed. The thing they ALL have in common is the exaggerated AH ratings. I have no way to measure instantaneous AMPS output so can't speak to that. I have timed them all on fans and lights and can say without a doubt the rated AH is exaggerated.
That said the batteries are typically 25%-40% cost and you are getting maybe 60%-80% of the performance. If you go into it knowing this then you won't be disappointed. I'm not a pro, simply diy so I'm not really risking anything either just for full disclosure.
Don't forget about warranties. Ryobi has a 3-year warranty. Aftermarket warranties usually state 1-year warranty (if the company is still in business). Lots of negative reviews on aftermarket companies not providing warranty support after the 30-day Amazon return period.
Can ya send me the type/link of the aftermarket 40V for Ryobi. Thanksl
I got 2 6Ah 18v aftermarket batteries and a dual charger for $59 on Amazon- 6 months & so far so good.😃
Jus don't let them sit for over a year with no use. They will not come back
Could you list brand name & company on Amazon you bought them from pls?
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I just bought 2 4ah Ryobi lithium batteries from HD for $80. Black Friday. 2:39
I use both aftermarket and genuine Ryobi batteries with our Ryobi electric mower, whipper snippet and blower. The main difference I notice is the price difference not run time or charging time. I will continue to buy aftermarket batteries. I have been using these now for 3 years.
Do you choose a particular aftermarket brand?
All my tools are Ryobi and have used factory and aftermarket batteries. If your using lights and drills, aftermarket batteries are fine, however one the high amp draw tools like circular saw, grinders the knockoff batteries dont have the amperage. My saws will cutoff easily vs genuine batt has no problem. I have also noticed most of the newer batteries are what i call 2 year batt, once they get past the first year they degrade pretty quick, although both genuine and copy have failed within the 2 years, the copy tend to ail sooner. For light duty work though you can't beat the cost of aftermarket batteries, they are cheap and you can buy several for the cost of one which i prefer, so nice to have extra charged batteries ready to work instead of having to stop and charge.
AN EXCELLENT VIDEO! Your video addressed all my concerns whereas other videos and articles did not. Although I was hoping for just a little bit better performance, I'm going to try a pair. Being I use them mostly around the house, and sometimes to help friends or neighbors--polesaw, drills, chainsaw, circular saw... I'm hoping they'll be good enough for me.
Thanks so much. I know Ryobi batts would be better, but the price! I don't mind spending extra money for quality, but I do mind spending an excess of money for a 'Name', no matter the product. A little extra... Maybe. An excess... Nope.
Thanks again 👍 :)
Ryobi Real vs Amazon Batteries: A Comparison
- An aftermarket 6Ah 18V battery purchased from Amazon was tested against a genuine 6Ah 18V battery from Ryobi to see if the cheaper Amazon option was a viable alternative for Ryobi power tools.
- The physical attributes like weight and fit in various Ryobi tools were very similar between the two batteries. The aftermarket battery weighed just slightly less at 1 lb 7 oz compared to 1 lb 10 oz for the genuine Ryobi battery.
- Performance tests were conducted using tools like an impact driver driving TimberLok screws, a drill driver, and a reciprocating saw. In these tests, the genuine Ryobi battery seemed to provide a bit more power compared to the aftermarket option.
- A runtime test using a constant load (a light on highest setting) showed a significant difference. The aftermarket battery lasted around 3.5 hours, while the genuine Ryobi battery nearly doubled that at 6 hours of runtime.
- Charging times also differed, with the aftermarket battery taking 3 hours to recharge fully using the same Ryobi charger, compared to just 1 hour 52 minutes for the genuine battery.
- While the aftermarket Amazon battery worked compatibly with the Ryobi tools and had built-in safety features, the genuine Ryobi battery demonstrated superior performance in power output, significantly longer runtime, and faster recharging - indicating higher overall battery capacity and quality.
- Though much cheaper, the aftermarket battery fell short in these key performance metrics when compared to Ryobi's own batteries made specifically for their power tools.
For all those saying you've had success with aftermarket ryobi batteries, could you please post up what brand you did end up purchasing and from where?
I can buy two regular Ryobi 4 amp hour batteries at Home Depot for $79.99. A lot of times during the year you can buy the same batteries for $99.99 and you get a free tool. I've been using these batteries for many years now and they work for all my projects. I see no reason to save a few dollars by buying an inferior battery.
I wouldn't risk damaging my tools and stuff voiding my warranty or my safety.
I guess the main question is use the batteries equally and try again in a couple of months?
Why? Degradation?
@@livefreeandtoolonthat’s exactly why. You’ll never notice and performance hit just testing it like this. What you’ll need to do is test it at 6 months - year and see if it matched the genuine battery. If it does great! These are awesome and should be looked into. If not, then you know to only get genuine batteries.
@@matthoffman6962I agree with you, cheap generic batteries often have much shorter life span. But considering how the real battery had 2x the actual capacity of the generic, as far as I am concerned the generic is a poor deal. You can frequently get great deals on the real batteries at Direct Tools.
I've had 6 of these batteries with pretty much daily use going over 3 years now and still going well!
you should open the battery up and compare the difference of made and what is inside
I bought a pair of aftermarket Batteries 4 amp 18 volt. They are good after 3 years. Probably not as long running as a Ryobi. But dollar for dollar a better buy then the Ryobi Batteries. Only $35 dollars for 2 4 AH batteries. thank you for a great video.
Great guide and surprised by results definitely going to stick with the genuine.
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When it comes to Lithium batteries, and the complex circuitry inside with the protective features, and the BMS, I am hesitant to mess with third party batteries. Yes, batteries are expensive, but the DESPot just ran some killer deals on OEM batteries during the Holidays, and one can also save during Ryobi Days. To each their own, and more power to anyone buying aftermarket batteries. As always, YMMV.
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I've had genuine Ryobi batteries last less than a year, so I decided to try the cheap knockoffs. So far they don't power the tools for as long before needing a charge, but they've been solid so far. Considering the price I'll probably get some more.
I had a similar issue. My two original Ryobi batteries died on me without many charge cycles used, but my 3 aftermarket batteries are still going years later. The one thing I've observed is they sometimes exaggerate the capacity, but even with that taken into account, they aftermarket battery still is a good deal. More important to me, however, is they didn't cost as much and haven't died.
I've had several of the 5ah aftermarket knock-off batteries for a few years now, and they're still going strong. At the time I purchased them, I got 2 for $60 Canadian roughly, and single authentic 4ah here was roughly $75, so all in all, a great bang for buck! Also worth mentioning, I have a couple of Makita knock-offs from the same dealer (Powertree), for about two years now that are still performing great.
Yes, I've also got a couple of 3rd party Makita 18v batteries that I've had for a good number of years. They work well - even on the plunge saw. As long as you go through Amazon, if they don't work, you can always get a replacement, or refund. They can be had even cheaper on Ebay, but good luck with a dead parrot and getting a replacement or your money back.
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@kennymccormick8295 Thank you, spelling police!🤦♂️
I have these batteries and they are great. I have dead ryobi batteries but no dead aftermarket ones.
Hi, In Australia as well
I "inherited" a ryobi, line trimmer, edge cutter, and the leaf blower, about 2 to 3 years old 18v+ items
The battery is a 4 amp which suprised me, but on the garden tools i get 30 to 40 mins work and it goes flat, the 2amp charger takes about 90 to 120 mins to charge it, now the issue is after about 30 mins with the lawn mower, then 30 minutes with edger, trimmer, 5 mins with the leaf blower i call it a tiring 60 mins in summer, when have the battery go flat with say 10 to 15 mins work left.
I re-charge it, but am not really in the mood to go back out in the sun for part 2.
Anyway, in AU prices for genuine
The 4amp battery = $140 ( $140 ea )
Twin 4amp $ 199 ( $ 100 each )
4 amp + 1.5 amp charger $ 140 ( so why buy just the battery for the same price )
RID18 drill tool/skin only = $99 ( standard drill )
RHD18 drill tool/skin only = $99 ( hammer drill )
But the kid of Drill + Hammer Drill + 4amp battery + 1.5 amp charger = $200
So i bought the kit, paid $50 more than the battery and got a free charger and 2 drills
Now for aftermarket
Big W ( sort or like target / walmart ) 2 x generic aftermarket 6am = $109 ( 55 each + 6amp not 4)
Ebay generic 6amp = $33 each , but that price you need to buy 4
So here is the deal, multiply amps x qty and divide dollars, the ebay one is 33 - 6 amps or close enough to just over $5 per amp
Even if they only hold 1/2 the charge, that is $10 per amp.
Here is the problem, assume the work at 1/2 capacity or 1/2 life / recharge rate, they are very cheap, so my take is , use the genuine and pick up 2 cheapies for backup - in hindsight i should have purchases 2 generic 6amp unknowns for $33 each
The reason i did not is because it is a gamble, if the ebay ones work, great, even if they really have 1/2 the grunt or life they are still value, but if they are DOA or die outside the flimsy warranty if any, you will have a struggle to deal with a ebay who is probably buy and flip items that came of aliexpress or similar - really there can not be more than a handfull of factories that make these - and if they are making 10 - 20% they wont be interested in after sale service - the other thing is assume the will help, the postage to return and reissue these will be more than the battery price !!!
My local bunnings store ( similar to home depot ) is in every suburb, all PC's are linked up so when they bar code scan the item, it is tracked regardless of which store in the country it was purchased from, and they give you a new item of the shelf as soon as the goods are identified within warranty - i have had a few cases where the tools are pristine - i had a bosch 12v cordless drill - in the cardboard box, in the plastic tool box, and i had used it about once or twice a year just on Pc's - the battery would not charge up, it was almost 5 years old and 3 years out of warranty but they replaced it because it was clear it had less than 30 mins use - i was lucky
Milwaukee / Makita / DeWalt tools in Australia and all used by builders, i have them at work, but there after sales is close to useless - we keep every tool purchased in a A4 plastic sleeve with docket paperwork / instructions , photo of box / photo of tool serial numbers and most times the tool is returned with all paperwork and it is " assessed for warranty / repairs " which is common to be 4 to 6 weeks , what annoys me is i use 2 local dealers ( whoever has items in stock ) and we spend about 20-25k in hand power tools per annum
I feel like for high drain tools the OEM batteries are best. For low drain devices like the lights and Bluetooth speakers the aftermarket batteries are a great deal.
I would add that a run time test on a high drain tool would also determine if the knock-off battery will overheat. That's what I discovered using knock-off batteries on my chainsaw. They got down to 2 bars and stopped working. I think they overheated and shut down. My genuine Ryobi batteries did not shut down from overheating.
I know this video is a little older, but if THEY reached out to YOU to test the aftermarket battery, i would be weary. It's been well 'documented' that they send "good" batteries to reviewers, and ship everyone else batteries with cheaper cells in them. Take that for what you will
I bought a similar batter on Amazon, I think I spent $50-$60 for a two pack. I wasn't paying attention when I bought the aftermarket batteries, I'm new to this so I didn't think to look. I noticed once I opened it up. I looked up the reviews afterwards and noticed that what I got either the batteries failed quickly or people thought they were awesome. It is too early for me to know.
i keep frying the cheap ones w my impact guns, didn't work well w the grinder, and sometimes they just die, but it's hard to beat the price, i'm gonna try the ryobi's on sale this time
I’ve tested my battery after seeing this video with a genuine and after market in the same tools and it was nothing like you were showing I’m definitely staying after market now and when I do finally burn them out for that price I’ll go buy a new one
I always respected Ryobi. I used it in the beginning in construction people constantly hated on it. It is a very good tool for what it is and for the price point you can’t beat it but at the same time, you gotta have some quality in there and raw performance. that’s why a lot of people move away from that too Milwaukee, Dewalt or Makita. I can guarantee you if you put a 40 V Makita drill on that paddle bit it would fly through It like it wasn’t even there..
Seems like they’re pretty equivalent to a legit 4ah, and I’ve got a DTO nearby so I’ll keep my cheap legit ones haha. Pretty nice for those without a DTO nearby I’d say though 🤷♂️
I would be curious about the higher amperage batteries(6Ah or 9Ah) in high draw equipment like a skill saw or grinder. Would the aftermarket battery be able to provide as much current as OE? Would it be more likely to melt down? In things like drills and lights, I don't think it's as critical, but can you beat them up?
Also have both genuine (dozens) and aftermarket (3) - One aftermarket was DOA, the other two are going OK, but their draw down time is noticeably not as good. Every battery I purchase I write the month/year in texta on it when I give it its first charge and use. I'm just starting to throw away (send to recycling) 2018 batteries, have also thrown away a 2015 recently being the best outcome. Finding the newer ones (2020 to 2022) are fading faster, threw away my first 2021 the other day.
Finding a few in this category show 3 bars still when actually no power left. They'll still charge, but don't have great draw down, but still pretty good power for the shorter time.
Do the aftermarket hp batteries have the 2 extra contacts on them and give the extra power that the genuine batteries do ?
I recently bought two 6AH after-market batteries, and neither would accept a charge, so they were returned. I have another after-market battery that I had for a little over a year and it stopped accepting a charge, so I jumped it and got it to charge. It seemed to drain too fast and now it will not accept a charge again and I can't jump it. I'll stick with the OEM batteries, they all work fine.
I have had mediocre results with off brands. The problem is quality control and returnability. I tend to wait for originals to go one sale. The HD near me had the 2,4, and 6ah batteries with charger for 99 bucks on a daily special. I prefer this route.
How well do they both perform after 50 charging cycles? How about 100 cycle? If the genuine battery lasts longer on a cycle and if it can be recharged more times, then it could potentially have a lower lifetime operating costs.
I have a few ryobi tools used infrequently enough that I've managed to get by with the original 2a genuine pack that was included with my first tool.
However, i am going to pick up some aftermarket batteries.
If they are comparable - great - if not, i can pulls the cells and replace them with some really good cells for peanuts.
If the bms won't work with non ryobi cells, i can replace that too for cheap.
would love to see a test with the 6ah genuine vs amazon for my ryobi compact radio thx
I have Ryobi batteries that are still kicking after a few years. Will the aftermarket ones last that long? Or do you have to keep replacing them over and over again? That is a big deal. My concern is, lets say the alternative is cheaper but wears out much faster, you aren’t actually saving money if your using these tools heavily.
The problem the aftermarket one on this video is the books. They gets loose or don’t move well over time so you need flat screwdriver to pry the battery out of tools.
That’s super annoying.
If you don’t use them often that’s might not be a big issue though.
When you retest in 6 month or year. Throw in a regular 4ah for comparison.
I think I did the same light test with 4ah and got 3.5 hrs
I have been using my 5ah aftermarket battery for 6 years now. I'm satisfied
I am at 6:13 in the video, and the statement is made "I think the real battery outperforms..." -- excuse me? Nothing in ANY of the tests to this point show any difference whatsoever between the two. In neither case do the tools shuts down, slow down, or anything indicative of inferior/superior performance of either battery! If you want to know which has better charge, then you do a series of voltage tests over time, or you can use a battery test setup to determine actual max charge available. If doing it between two tools, you have to do a test of total run time using the same tool for the entire test of both batteries. Something high-amp draw such as the sawzall should give an accurate comparison. Questions over which battery is best are based around functionality... are they each accurate in quoted amp/hr, and do they supply ample current to run the highest amp tools. Everything else is second, everything. If the answer is yes for both, then the question is longevity. I have both, and the Ryobi "real" batteries are horrible at longevity, where I have numerous aftermarket that are several years old and still functioning as well as new. I bought aftermarket at the same time as I bought many of my tools which came with "real" batteries. Not one of my original Ryobi batteries is still functioning, not even ONE. MOST of the aftermarkets still work. Two have failed out of eight so far in the same time span.
That was a good demo, Brent. I personally stick with Ryobi as they have always giving Me good luck. As My Dad used to always tell Me..."You get what You pay for."
I would love to see you do the same comparison on the 40 volt batteries. I just bought one on Amazon before I found your channel. I was hoping it would be just as good as the Ryobi but now I have my doubts.
Check my videos, I did the comp
I bought a 18v drill and impact kit from Ryobi over a decade ago. Both still workbut the batteries are starting to lose their capacity, they still charge but they don't last as long.
I bought a pair of DTK 4ah batteries from amazon and poth seem to power the tools just fine. I then tried tocharge each of the new batteries; one charged just fine but the other just blinks red and never actually charges although it seems to run the tool fine.
Concerned that one battery might have a bad board I told Amazon I was retrurning it. I then ordered a FSKE battery that looks identicle to the DTK's that I was sending back. Both the FSKE's power the tool just fine but neither one will charge - the red defective light just keeps blinking after a half hour GThe FSKE battery measures 19.6 v and seems to power the drill just fine
It sees the aftermarket amazon 4ah batteries have flaky circuit bords that are not taling to the Ryobi charger. My old Ryobi battery measures 20.3v.and the original Ryobi weighs 1,5 lbs while the 4ah FSKE weighs 1.4 lbs - chinese cells for sure. I suspect the 4ah rating is a pipe dream.
My question is are these afyrr market batteries safe to use> Il thy discharging one and see if it will charge back up
I have had aftermarket batteries for years. Most have been similar to original, but have had a few fail in short times and no response from sellers.
I ru n that same aftermarket battery in my Ryobi wet/dry vac. It doesn't last anywhere as long. Seems to get warmer then the same OEM battery. Last time I used it, I even got a electrical burn smell. I now use that battery in a drill. No more smell/over heating, but that's why you get two. They don't last as long in my experience.
With how crummy ryobi batteries have become I'm seriously considering buying some aftermarket. I have 8 ryobi batteries and the onky one that still works is also my oldest one. Some only worked a few months and a handful of charges before they quit charging. The cells are all still good on most of them but the boards are telling the chargers their bad.
I have the same problem.
It's common on post 2020 batteries I'm finding - pre 2020 were better, albeit with a 4mh maximum. The larger ones are just not as stable, anecdotally.
@@andrewbryce6653 good to know. Thanks.
@@andrewbryce6653 hmmmmm interesting🤔
The transformers on the Ryobi chargers......are they rated for 100-240V or just 110V. Thanks for a prompt reply, I am waiting to make an order. Same question, if you know the answer, for the hyper fast Ryobi chargers. Thanks
was that a standard Ryobi or their HP series?
I bought 2x 40 volt 6Ah knock offs and they work great. Just as good as my regular 40 volt batteries. I've been cutting my grass with them for years. As far as the ones you have, they probably have 1 or so "not that good" cells.
Many after market "knockoffs" are not just sub-standard, they are actually genuine rip-offs. Beware of outrageous claims of 6ah, 9ah, and 12ah batteries. The weight is the clue. If you buy a Chinese battery, make sure you can send it back at the expense of the seller if it isn't as advertised. Often times they will refund you AND let you keep the battery. Sometimes they will refund half (essentially charging the correct price for the lower capacity they sent you).
You will eventually get batteries that don't even have all the cells inside that they should. I got a 6ah battery that had one row of cells inside (2ah).
But, the ones that are good are a great deal.
enjoy your test. FYI-my opinion. The knock would be OK for most home owners as it appears to last enough for most home use and with a shorter turnaround time, whereas I would think the Ryobi wouid be excellent for home use but even much better for heavy duty or commercial use
What is the real-life price of an OEM Ryobi battery? Last year I bought a Ryobi 40v tool with a 4Ah battery and charger on sale for $10 less than the battery only retail price! Sometimes you can get a multi tool kit with batteries and charger on sale for less money than the batteries themselves cost if bought separately. I am suggesting that if you need to buy Ryobi tools, then the OEM Ryobi batteries in those packaged kits are practically giveaways. Or the tools are free. Either way, the real-life cost of the OEM Ryobi batteries is not so easy to determine as a simple listing on a knock-off battery on Amazon.
I've never had to buy a knockoff ryobi battery because ryobi has sales at least once a year. During these sales, they are trying to move tools and usually have smoken package deals. A lot of times, they will have tool sales and a separate sale on battery's with a new charger for dirt cheap. I've found that buying and trying your old battery's on a new charger will refresh the old battery's. They won't be new but they have somehow seemed to taken more charge and given me a couple of extra months out of an old battery. I presently have 7 battery's and 4 chargers. May have to change battery's 4 or 5 times a day when building a shed or fence but that's what the chargers are for. Love my ryobi tools, not the best tools but they all use the same battery's saving me money in the long run.
Love to see a tear apart on the after market battery. Just searching the specs on the cells used would give you confirmation on if this is a 6ah battery or as usual a 3ah battery being sold as 6ah
Exactly. Half the runtime as a genuine Ryobi battery would seem to indicate half the rated capacity of the knock-off. Yes, people are happy thinking they saved money, but when you compare the actual run times, you are not buying the same capacity.
Anything possible if they made in China
Can you charge the amazon batteries on the ryobi charger?
Yes, he physically showed you and told you so, Did you watch the video ?
I'm in the craftsman it serms like the aftermarket batteries I tried off Amazon were about half of the power that was stated on the battery compared to the real ones.
I have both after market and genuine batteries and from experience I have Ryobi batteries that are over 10 years old, it doesnt store as much power these days, but they do store and still charge, the after market batteries on the other hand Im lucky to get 3 years from them, there seems to be an issue when the thin tin foil bridge burns out on them. Usually the inside batteries of the after market batteries are still in working condition. I am really surprised at the weights between them because the ones I have are significantly lighter than the original Ryobi batteries. I did score a 4ah and a 2ah for $130 a couple of weeks ago.
You can buy 2, 6 AH aftermarket batteries for the price of 1, OE 4AH, and get the same useable power for the same the cost. Works out to about the same overall in the long term.
I know there are good aftermarket batteries, but, there's also a lot of rip-off batteries too. I've gotten genuine stack batteries from legitimate sellers for a fraction of the regular price so I don't mess with aftermarket.
I purchased a cordless 40v Ryobi chainsaw about 7 years ago to use indoors for this house I gutted and rebuilt. The original battery that came with it only lasted for several charges then it wouldn't take charge so they sent a new one. Now that the replacement one sat for a few years, it won't take charge no matter what I do, I've even tried these hacks on TH-cam videos but no luck. Ryobi batteries are junk in my opinion. Never had that problem with all the DeWalt batteries I have and I've got a lot of them, and a lot of different dewalt tools I use them on.
The aftermarket batteries I purchased from eBay worked OK at first, but after about three recharges they would no longer recharge. After that I stuck with genuine Ryobi batteries. The aftermarket batteries from eBay look exactly like the ones from Amazon.
Looks like you're getting around 3-4Ah of actual capacity in the knock offs. Still at $60 for a 2-pack, seems like a decent deal.
I rate aftermarket batteries 8/10 and Ryobi batteries 10/10. However I can buy 2 aftermarkets for the price of one Ryobi genuine battery. And if the aftermarket battery craps out I'll buy 2 more and still be ahead. It all depends upon what tool you are going to use the battery on.
the aftermarket battery really sucks in my 18v ryobi 16inch lawn mower. the ryobi 18v 4Ah batteries last much longer and go until they are dead compared to the aftermarket 18v 7Ah battery. the aftermarket batteries run for a fraction of the time then shut down from overheating with over half charge still left in them. I am sure the aftermarkets are fine for smaller draw tools and the mower should really have more power but it does work well w the 18v 4Ah battery and mow's for a longer duration than the aftermarket 18v 7Ah batteries. this has been my experience, thanks for the video!
For the most part I stick with OEM batteries; But back many years my wife bought me a B & D Firestorm combo set and for the money worked well did many home additions and repairs with it. Then B & D decided to change battery platform and the FS batteries got phased out also in that time I also went through 2 or 3 Dewalt cordless drills at my job, got so frustrated being 50 or more feet above ground and the Dewalts shit the beds, I actually had a B & D discount store nearby and bought their Quantum commercial hammer drill to finish a job.
Back to battery story, for the FS and Quantum found I could get replacement batteries bought 3 all stating 3.5 AH been over 10 years those batteries and FS and Quantum still work.
I've since moved on to Ryobi platform, but my Daughter is using the FS to this day ( I kept the Quantum though ) .
So there is a place for 3rd party just don't expect 100% power output.
Even if the Amazon ones r technically a 3-4ah or so, they’re still a decent deal
I just ordered 2 12ah knockoffs for 120 bucks. One 12ah genuine would cost me about 320 here in Sweden xD if they even act like a 6ah im happy because 1 6ah costs more then one 12ah.
I find that aftermarket have about 70% of their advertised rating for about half the price. Power for dollar ratio is in favor of after market. Longevity TBD.
I would add that having 2 non-original batteries even at half capacity, has the advantage that you can use one while the other is charging. Considering buying in to Ryobi, here in Scandinavia there are never any deals. The high battery pricing is blocking new customers.
What about memory creep, and how many charge / discharge cycles before they are to be thrown in the bin?
I have the 4ah aftermarket batteries and they will only charge in my single charger like the one shown but not in my 6-battery charger.
I am surprised why tool batteries are still so expensive when we know that the price of lithium has halved over the past 10 years.Even if the after market battery has only half the power of a genuine Ryobi product when it costs only a third of the price or less it is still a better buy
I have heard comments about genuine Ryobi battery packs being unreliable. If that is true, it probably means the battery controller inside the pack is doing a bad job of cutting off the pack when the cells drops to 3V per cell. On a 5 cell pack, that would be 15V.
Got to wonder how much of the price of a Ryobi battery is paying for the name. The fact an aftermarket company can sell them for a quarter of the price tells something.
I think a better test would be a standard 4ah Ryobi battery vs the aftermarket instead of the HP battery, which is SUPPOSED to provide more power and a longer run time than the standard batteries.
Mine aftermarket lithium batteries won’t charge with my ryobi charger they both new they work fine but can’t charge them anymore any suggestions?
Thank for sharing your test.
ryobi are rip off in price if they sell in compatible price no one will buy after market batteries
I wish you compare the actual amphere?
So pretty much if it says 4ah it's really 2 or 3 ah battery for the off brand pretty much witch is still better than paying that much for a DIY tool or even high end tools just saying as long as they work not bad idea to have one or 2 of the original battery laying around though
The exorbitant cost of OEM batteries does not justify using them. It would be a much better buy if the tool was bought sans battery, then buy the Amazon battery. Even if the Amazon battery last 1/3 as long and has 80%+ the power of OEM while in use, it is a far better buy than the OEM. I have several Ryobi OEM batteries that came with the tool and several Amazon batteries I bought at the same time. Sadly, the OEM batteries went bad BEFORE the Amazon batteries did.
What your not saying is the newer genuine battery has a extra connection on it for the newer HP+ tools so unless you spend silly money on the newer batteries you will not get the benefit of the extra power from any HP+ tool even genuine older batteries are no good if you want the extra power
Is it an aftermarket hp battery?
What about the battery management systems and fire hazards!!!
I have tools from all the colours of the rainbow. Ryobi tools are, without doubt, excellent value for money. The only downside is the eye-watering price of the batteries. I do own a three genuine Ryobi batteries. One that came with the tool - the leaf blower, where the battery was pretty much free - and the other two that cost more than the tool itself. Are they good batteries? Yes, absolutely! However, I did take a punt on an Amazon knock-off, claiming a 6.0ah rating. Well, as with your findings, the genuine battery does take longer to charge, weighs more, and last longer in use.
That said, the copies are a fraction of the price - in some cases less than one quarter of the cost - and they do work. Honestly, I was on the lookout for a light 1.5ah battery for the 16g second fix nailer (excellent tool, if a tad heavy compared to the gas/battery Paslode it replaced), but opted, in the end, for a pair of 6ah batteries for £42 Sterling. Years later, they are still going strong.
I bought the Ebay Ryobi different brand they all broke after a few months. They say they have a 10 year warranty but the sellers won answer Emails
I Have 3 40 V batteries (aftermarket) that Died at the same time (thanks to the cold) and now waiting for a recharge kit that may revive it..
Based on my experience the genuine battery last long compared to aftermarket.
The price of the aftermarket far supercedes the small inconveniences. I can buy more to have ready
I noticed that you are comparing a Ryobi high performance battery vs. a generic regular lithium ion. You won't see the difference in the batteries until you get to bigger tools like mowers, trimmers, and blowers that have more battery contacts requiring more power output.
I have owned and used Ryobi tools ever since the Blue Tool days. When aftermarket batteries first started coming out they were just plain juke. You were lucky if the tool even ran. The aftermarket quality is way up in most China knockoffs. But they are about 50% to 60% of the OEM batteries. They never have the run time and long term they usually die twice as fast. I am a heavy use DIYer. I need my tools to run. For most weekend warriors the knockoffs will do fine.
Now I do have my old beater Blue Ryobi tools (yes most of them still run). These I loan out or use for my deep woods projects. And yes I use the aftermarket batteries for those tools. I ain't loaning out my good stuff.
That’s the HP battery though. Wonder how it would do against a regular battery. Cool test
The shop vac draws high current. This is where the OE prove their worth, the aftermarket last 40% of the OE at best.
The Amazon Battery link show "currently Unavailable. We don't know when or if..."
Ryobi is running into the same issues that EV makers are having. It is when the battery pack costs more than the original toll/car. If a Ryobi battery is $100 or over, what is the point of selling a $45 saw/drill? The Ryobi tools are fine for home owners use but when the batteries CST twice or three times as much as the tool it seems stupid to me.
I bought 3 "boot-leg batteries 3 years ago. One died but the other two is going strong. Totally worth the price...
So far, I've had decent luck with aftermarket batteries.
Oh nice! I will find it. Thanks!