@Nikki Carreon are migrants are bad people so migrants is a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
Hi Nikki! I saw a commercial on TH-cam for a movie. The only problem is- it's a Colleen Hoover movie. It's based of of the book "It Ends With Us" and I was wondering if you could cover it whenever it releases.
They are technically related but it’s her step cousin which she hasn’t met and has no cousin relationship with. I still don’t support this but it’s better then a direct sibling or step sibling
@@ZeeWee910 been years since I watched it but it's about a quirky optimistic teacher who moves in with 3 guy roommates in the city. They're all a bit more negative and cynical which contrasts with her more upbeat energy. There's one who's a super cynical bartender. One who's a more friendly ex basketball player. And one who's a materialistic kind of annoying corporate guy. It's a fun, comedy,drama,slice of life about their lives. Similar to the vibe of friends.
Better yet, you yourself included ‘rednecks’ into the ‘worst things imaginable’ list as if they are elusive fae-like cryptids that will devour your soul or something 😂
respectfully can you guys stop it LMAO like people in the south do not deserve this. stop viewing incest as some backroads rural shit it's happening everywhere and poor people living in the deep south deserve better than to be stereotyped
Why do these booktok authors romanticize men being awful to the main character? I’m actually really into men being nice to me (and them not being related to me)
Because people like to explore unhealthy dynamics in fiction. In real life that shit is obviously bad, but if you are aware that it is fictional you can have an interesting time exploring those themes without the real world collateral. That’s why most of the people who are reading these books SHOULD be adults.
@@cosmicbuffinmuffin5447 that’s true but let’s be real, minors have access to all of this. In fact I’d argue that minors have access to nearly everything adults to and things that are adult content. It being fiction does make it a essentially a safe space for people to explore all the twisted shit they’d like to read with no real life affects. Other than p0rn addiction or things of that matter. But again it does affect people in the real world, and like I say fiction bleeds into reality
Lol with how he was trying to keep her away by being a dick, thats now my reason why he did it. "She won't like me if I'm projecting from both ends..." solid plan bro 👍10/10
this book is barely legal from every angle age? "uhh they waited til she was 18🤓", consent? "uhh she kinda enjoyed it🤓", family? "uhh theyre STEPcousins and hes her STEPuncle🤓"
Jesus Christ, Karen, it's FICTION! Go and live in Russia or China if you think that the law should investigate people for writing FICTION. Anais Nin and the Marquis de Sade wrote far worse, are you going to complain about them too?
Truly a show of how much these people (the authors) didn't get the proper love at home, never dealt with their trauma and started normalizing every terrible thing in their life which they broadcasted to the world. It's a tragedy.
Yeah, and they always try to justify it by making them step relatives, as if not being blood related means it’s ok. Like 1. Familial relationships are social and not solely biological, wtf do you think adoption is for, and 2. It just makes me feel like you want to do biological incest but dont want ppl to know that bc it would be “too far”
Having the pedo-incest-abusive father and sons being the good guys and the people being concerned about a 17 yo being hit on by her cousins/ uncle the bad guys is so crazy, like how? Genuinely how? I hate the argument “it’s just fiction” so much oh my god
I don't agree with inc*st in real life but behaving as though the presence or "romanticization" of it in media is going to somehow cause a surge of it in real life is genuinely inane. Unfortunately, in today's generation those beliefs are widespread and people honestly believe that simply having a negative thing in media portrayed in anything but a negative light is going make people want to partake in the negative behavior/action is a thing that happens. Media influences real life yes, but this stupid "violent video games cause school shootings!" mindset that so many people have makes me so actually annoyed. Not only has it been endlessly disproved it just sounds...dumb. There is areason the word "puriteen" is getting popular. I stg some people really need to get off line and get some perspective in the real world. Stop judging people for the media they enjoys and stop obfuscating your own personal gripes under the veneer if "not wanting people to think it's okay in real life." You don't believe that, and if you do...Yikes we really are all doomed.
I don't agree with inc*st in real life but behaving as though the presence or "romanticization" of it in media is going to somehow cause a surge of it in real life is genuinely inane. Unfortunately, in today's generation those beliefs are widespread and people honestly believe that simply having a negative thing in media portrayed in anything but a negative light is going make people want to partake in the negative behavior/action is a thing that happens. Media influences real life yes, but this stupid "violent video games cause school shootings!" mindset that so many people have makes me so actually annoyed. Not only has it been endlessly disproved it just sounds...dumb. There is areason the word "puriteen" is getting popular. I stg some people really need to get off line and get some perspective in the real world. Stop judging people for the media they enjoys and stop obfuscating your own personal gripes under the veneer if "not wanting people to think it's okay in real life." You don't believe that, and if you do...Yikes we really are all doomed.
@@PaperLoser-gv4wb I see this with Miku a lot when people make s3xual art of her because “well she’s technically a voicebank” or “it’s legal to date 16 year olds in xx place” like that makes it okay?? I’ve even seen people try to argue she isn’t 16 when it’s literally the first and only thing that pops up when you search her age 😭
@@E7XEE even though miku can be anything, it’s so weird people chose to sexualize the minor version of her, or even think of sexualizing her. I remember I saw this one Artist who only drew nsfw of miku and she looked like a minor. Disgusting. The “it’s legal to date minors in (insert country)” screams ped0
I’ve seen way too many comments saying “Penelope really made me question my morals with this book 🥰🤪”like your morals on…r@pe and incest??? Everyone on booktok needs their laptops CHECKED
I just found out Penelope uses they/them pronouns! I didn’t mean to misgender them, I consider myself gender fluid so I promise there was no malice intended! Please be respectful of that in the comments!
i think it's crazy how the author is clearly trying to justify the things going on, like "it's fine, they her STEP cousins and uncle, and they didn't ACTUALLY HAVE SEX until her 18th birthday"
@@jerusha4jesus fr its creepy how older guys will immediately try to hook up with someone who JUST TURNED 18 like they were waiting since birth for them 🤢
I guess it’s better than “my Mexican” but by how much y’know like that’s so written my a white person “my little slice of Mexico” “my little Italian sub” “my polish sausage”
according to google (lol), the legal age of consent in Colorado is 17, and in California its 18.. so she purposefully set this story somewhere where their creepy relationship is still legal at her age which is 17. I hate this 😭
Age of consent has pretty narrow scope, in Colorado Noah would be able to legally have sex with a 17 year old but not kaleb or uncle creepy. It's a four year older allowance not a free for all. On top of that none of this would be legal even at 18 in Colorado as its incest, and Colorado does cover step and adopted relations. Urgh. I feel a little grosser just for having thought about this book lol
@@daisysb444 it actually could've been if it was in Rhode Island or Ohio as long she was over 16 and it's not a parent, and New Jersey as long as shes 18
@@coolfoxhay629 oh sure morally I'm not cool with it. But legally an adult can have sex with a minor if they are in a certain age range, depending on region. Typically these are called romeo and juliet laws, its essentially protecting relationships that could plausibly have started when everyone involved was a minor . Say a freshman and a senior start dating and then the senior obviously becomes an adult the next year while the freshman is like 15. Other factors go into this, as coerced sex and abusive behavior is frowned on regardless of age, but typically a twenty year old hooking up with a 17 year old wouldn't be prosecuted without something else going on. Like incest. Or violence.
When I saw the cover of Credence I thought it was going to be like Twilight. I didn't know that I could be disappointed that something wasn't like Twilight.
Honestly hilarious of Penelope to give their characters who live on a mountain a surname that means ‘from the mountain’. They’re literally called Mountain Man. SpongeBob SquarePants ass name, 10/10 no notes
I'm not defending CoHo by any stretch of the imagination, but the two Penelope Douglas books I've seen reviews of (Credence and Bully) have made me angrier than almost every CoHo book.
@@LemonDrop-zx2ml agreed. For me Douglas is far more worse than coho. She promotes more dangerous beliefs than that cringey blondie. Yes, coho's male protagonists are criminals, but Douglas's... deserves not jail time, but Alcatraz time
Why do mediocre writers insist on combining overcomplicated badly written drama with taboo erotica? It ends up failing in both. Just write mindless smut, its honestly easier to read.
i feel like if ao3 writers got old enough to publish then we just wouldn’t need mindless smut in books anymore bc it would overflow the market, which tbh would be a good thing bc it means books like credence are less likely to exist (or at least, in a perfect world)
In theory makes sense. The drama heightens the emotions and that makes the erotica more intense (just like how, in real life, rebound s*x with a toxic ex-partner feels more intense not because they're better at doing it that other people but because they put you in an state of intense conflicting emotions)... *the problem is the awful excecution of that theory*
no because the most disgusting part of credence honestly isn't how they're cousin/cousin or uncle/niece. it's that tiernan's vulnerability was literally taken advantage of. they knew she wanted love because of her childhood and??
@@ahmadalimi9784but teenagers do see abuse and think it’s romantic. Great non-compatible comparison considering that violence isn’t romanticized in our society while abuse is. Have a good day and I hope you eventually widen your mind about the consequences of romanticizing DA and SA.
@@ahmadalimi9784 listen, I'm not genuinely trying to fight/argue with you ( sorry if I come off as rude. ) but you would be surprised how easily people are influenced. I also see where you're coming from, that's not always how it works, but there will be a person who reads this kind of garbage and considers it " okay and normal" How about we agree to disagree?
These book girlies can never shame me for preferring fanfiction with it's tags and filters and trigger warnings. Nothing worse than starting a book only to find out it's incest or teenager/ old man or worse. I don't ever have these problems on Ao3.
I can't imagine how someone can recomend this book without mentioning that it has an incestuous relationship between a teenager and her uncle. I know tiktok videos need to be short but that would be like recomending _Planet of the Apes_ without even mentioning that it has talking monkeys!
@Mario_Angel_Medina there was one dark romance book I saw a review of, and I can't for the life of me remember the name but it had inc*st between a dad and his teenage daughter when they get lost in the wilderness, and the author was actively telling readers to be super vague in recommending or reviewing the book (literally, "please don't give away the twist teehee") because she wanted readers going in as blind as possible for the shock factor. It was super ick
In the fanfiction writing community, a character falling in love with their rapist is one of those bad writing tropes viewed as the mark of an immature or inexperienced author, and generally avoided like the plague. It’s right up there with Mary Sue/Gary Stu characters and using so many euphemisms that two characters interacting reads like half a dozen. Kinda blows my mind that this book got published and people paid actual money for it when it would have been considered trash if it were posted for free on AOx3.
@@yourmusekay3492 can I ask where you found this information because I tried to find what pronouns Penelope used but even the official website uses she/her
@@graceosullivan8991 I may have jumped the gun slightly since it turns out actually she/they is the preferred set it seems like! I just double checked myself. The goodreads profile (written by the author) uses they/them and she/they is used on the Twitter profile (also official)
I do also find the fetish of “Barley Legal” to be such a weird fetish. It does kinda feel like a remit of the sexualization of minors that’s been normalized, arguably along with the “Schoolgirl” fetish. Like in my opinion, it’s so weird seeing 18 year olds flex that they’re “barley legal” and the audience loving it. Idk it just feels more weird and icky than anything else for me
I've said it a couple of times, a lot of men never grow-out of the teenager mindset. They think that because they were attracted to 14-years-olds back when they were 14 too its ok to still be attracted to 14-years-olds when you're an adult. The gross "I get older but they remain the same" mentality
@@Mario_Angel_Medina "I was never good at telling jokes, but the punchline goes: I'll get older but your lovers stay my age from when your Brooklyn broke my skin and bones."
I only know of Penelope through Credence and Bully but the fact that they’ve written at least two different eroticas about innocent virginal 17 year old girls who fall in love with abusive hypersexual men and start having sex immediately after their 18th birthday is so gross to me. Like they’re 47 year old! I get that they’re an edgy taboo author but why are they so invested in super immature barely legal teens losing their virginity? Like even if some kids and teens read them, erotica is meant to be marketed towards adults. What full grown adult wants to read about children having sex? Fuckin weird man
@@strawberrysodas3433 literally like when I first heard of them I thought they were in their twenties or maybe at a push their thirties and even then it would be weird but no. They’re fully middle aged and writing about teenagers
I really don't understand authors past 30 writing adult (explicit) books with teenage main characters. If they were writing YA or preteen books, then I'd understand. It's just weird. Why not make the mc like 22 or something?
How was this book allowed to be published? It’s disgusting and there’s barely a plot. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with having these subjects in stories, as long as they’re handled correctly. This book did not do anything correct and made the dudes out to be the victims of this emotionally broken child who needed love. Truly fucking vile how anyone could write or enjoy this.
@doggirldoodles I thought she's an unreliable narrator (bereave, naive, romanticising as a coping mechanism). How was it publised? Freedom of expression. Anais Nin and the Marquis de Sade wrote far worse stuff.
The worst part is that this could have been a great horror story/cautionary about how, often times, it’s the people you’re closest to that hurt and take advantage of you the most like your family
What pisses me off the most is how Terrence is somehow seen as the bad guy by the narrative for trying to force himself on Tiernan… but KALEB DID THE EXACT SAME THING?? SUDDENLY BECAUSE HE’S THE LOVE INTEREST (and her cousin) IT’S OKAY??? I hate the double standards in this book I HATE IT. I hate it almost as much as I hate the fucking INCEST
So I actually know Penelope personally, and I was shocked when I found out the type of stuff she wrote. She’s been a family friend since before I was born, and this freaks me out so much. Going to see her in a week at Disneyland, wish me luck Update: She was actually there in Anaheim for a book signing so she was discussing that a lot with my parents and I just felt extremely weirded out if you could imagine. I read just one page from one of her books and never looked back. It’s so weird to think that people you’re close with could be doing nasty things like that even without your knowledge
Im sorry but i fr think someone needs to check Penelope’s files because this book is so so sickening. It lowkey makes me upset that i feel like they wrote it thinking there was going to be an audience who LIKED this book. Because it’s so bad that I’m wondering if this has to be satirical? Idk but I’m sad after this video LMAO.
So glad people are starting to talk about Booktok's romanticization and downplaying of SA. The 3.69 really says a lot and with how popular these types of books are becoming in spaces like booktok I am worried about how much more common books with tropes like this are going to become.
I know because it has heavy topic of committing unlive and other crimes thing is just brushes side as I shock value or develop and romanticize and normalize it in the story and this feel sick of this trope
I believe that just like porn ruined sex for men, these types of books are ruining romance for women. The amount of women that find these books where the man is abusive to be romantic is quite disturbing
It's really disheartening to see people defend these vile men in media, claiming what they do is not abuse. That's where the fictional bleeds into reality because these horrible things happen to real life people. Every defence of fictional perpetrators inadvertently defends real life abusers too.
Yes they roasted me to death because I hate "All the ugly and wonderful things" which is a book romanticizing pedophilia and letting the little girl end up with the old guy 😢
There’s so many messed up things about barely legal corn. Not only does it s*xualize minors but it also makes women feel like they’re only desirable when they are young. This really affected me when I was 18-21 I was very hypers*xual. And the thing is, I don’t even look that different at 25!! Like I’m so mad that I thought I would only be desirable at a young and inexperienced age. Now I have a super weird relationship with s*x that I regret 😞 What I’m trying to say is if you’re a girl who is 18-21 (or even younger) do not feel like you’re only desirable while young! It is a dumb thing men and the corn industry make young women feel self conscious about! Do not ever feel pressured to do things you aren’t ready for ❤️
Also would like to add that this can be damaging because it teaches young girls theyre ready for those things at that age and even that its normal to be on OF and everything, even though most of us probably arent ready for that kind of thing because 18 is still very young
yes kiddos anyone who says no one will love you past the age of 20 not only LIED but is probably a predator🙏🏽25,30 or even 40 is not old or undesirable and someone will love you for you and not just your age,looks or innocence🤢take your time to grow and find out what you want and don’t want~a milf and dilf lover🙏🏽
hi thank you for saying this i’m 21 and not in the best situation and i always think about how by the time i’m in a better place i won’t be desirable anymore. this has given me a lot of hope lol
@@august6629 I read a news article the other days about two people in their 90s marrying. You will never stop being desirable. Time is a companion, not an enemy.
I just love that “Van der Berg” is basically Dutch for “from the mountain”. Ah yes, the “from the mountain” family that lives in the mountains. How creative.
@@rattusskelly6393Not to be a random nerd but English, Afrikaans, Dutch, and German are all Germanic languages. If you were, for example, a native English speaker, youd have an easy time learning these languages because they are extremely similar!
i was surprised that the mc's parents even went through the trouble of assigning a guardian for her in the first place, until i remembered that it was probably the worst thing they ever did to her
@@loni1932 And unfortunately, it's not the only incest or step-incest plotline set in Colorado. There's also My Life with the Walter Boys, Clueless... I've noticed a theme of these sorts of plotlines set in "flyover country," and it's a really confusing phenomenon. (I put this in air quotes, because I just kind of hate that term, but couldn't find a better term for what I'm seeing).
Children have access to far worse things, always have always will. There are people that let their children, like 8-10 year old children, read Steven King books... He has a lot of sexual assault in them, of children.
@@TLB7476 you mean Stephen king? At least he doesn't justify the crimes happening in his books. And reading something shitty at 8/10, and at 16 is completely different. I remember reading some adult thriller when i was around 10, i got the thrill, and the messed up part totally flew over my head. I'm pretty sure if i were to read that book at 16, it would've affected me pretty badly
out of 3 horrible love interests how does she manage to pick the WORST one???? like how was i rooting for noah simply because he was the lesser of three evils 😭 how does she pick the absolute most diabolical horrible evil icky one 😭
Aside from the obvious issues with this book, I also hate this seemingly rampant trope in these booktok romance novels where these boring, underwritten female protagonists have every man in town want them so bad they’ll go CRAAZY VIOLENT for them. Can we not just have a main girl with a good personality who doesn’t incite instalust in every man in her near vicinity??
a lot of author's ideas of good female personalities is just a cringeworthy amount of sass. atleast if they're as plain as cardboard it's not as painful to read
I kept mishearing the name "Tiernan" as "Tyranid" (as in those alien bug monsters from Warhammer 40k) and that made this book's synopsis slightly more bearable 😂😂😂
i genuinely think Penelope Douglas is one of the worst authors of our generation if not lifetime in both chosen storylines and prose and is the reason i dont read books hyped by booktok anymore i flat-out dont trust those girlies anymore in the kindest way possible they have no standards lmao
Right? Like my ass thought they were in Greenland or the polar arctic. I lived in Woodland Park closer to Pikes Peak and they'd have everything shoveled out the moment it snowed. That's like... the Colorado sport.
The amount of disappointed sighs, forehead rubs, wide eyed stares into oblivion, and an awful feeling in my chest that THE SUMMARY of this book gave makes me believe I would actually die if I read it myself. I fear I would spontaneously combust. -1000/10 🤢🤢🤢
the start of this book would have been the perfect setup for a horror book, like the whole getting snowed in for 3 months and everything??? the plot wouldn't even have to change that much, just have tiernan be a normal freaking human being
i think your idea that Penelope is grifting to the right is true they have a fascination with all their characters having blonde hair blue eyes and i remember a certain someone in Germany who also shared this sentiment
Whenever I see this book at Walmart or Barns and Noble, what’s left of my humanity dies. The author also wrote a bully romance too. The rants on these books are amazing
the whole “it’s just fiction” and “fiction doesn’t affect reality” set us back to the ice ages. like why the hell did people started to be afraid of sharks after shark attack movies? fiction *does* affect reality
and sharks dont even attack people commonly unless its starving or provoked, heck dolphins are worse fiction can be used to harm if tried hard enough like putting a phrase from a book and use it as an insult. or ya know general propaganda that spreads hate, fiction standalone wont affect reality but crazies do
Okay, as balm after this nightmare, I'm gonna read "Jane Doe" by Victoria Helen Stone, which is about an ice-cold sociopathic woman who plots revenge on her dead best friend's abusive ex, seduce and destroy style.
33:07 Funny that these two who warned Tiernan about the true nature of the Van der Bergs are being portrayed as villains while any sane writer would consider them as the heroes.
as a victim of harassment by my cousin (also, only heard by my father cuz no one else believed me) when i was a minor, i just can't understand the appeal. besides the obvious fact that r*pe is a crime and shouldn't be romanticized, it's even worse bc it's also incestuous. im sorry but how incest is hot to some people? i never looked at my cousins and thought about they're being hot and wanting them to kiss me. just the idea is already ew to me. it still shocks me that there's people writing things like this as a ROMANCE. cuz it's ????? i've lived and grown up with abuse. i literally didn't know how being treated like a normal human being was. my ex had to call me out. only now, at 25, im slowly getting out of this toxicity. seeing these booktok romances tho drives me insane bc why would you want to be treated so badly? it destroys u! it's not sweet. i would particularly want someone who treats me the way i deserve and that i could have fun with. no cousins, no incest, no 'misunderstood' boys who literally abuse and harass u. just a normal and healthy relationship, thank you very much
Fun part to add about the ending: Uncle Jake ends up with Mirai, and she knows EVERYTHING. Tiernan told her as soon as she moved back and when Jake came up with Caleb, she even punched him in the nose.
this book is possibly the worst thing i've ever head about in a long time honestly?????? how people are rating it this highly is beyond me... it's why i gotta watch other people tear it apart for enjoyment. also just as a corrective add-on: i believe penelope uses they/them pronouns
Nikki, sometimes when you read books like this I think I blackout halfway through just cuz the content is so just… ICKY 😭 like that one video about the lady who was an author being sick in bed and the other woman who comes into the home and starts reading her memoirs, my mind barely grasped that book. I can’t even remember the name of it!
That’s the point though if the books weren’t crazy the videos wouldn’t be as entertaining And the crazy part is that there are people who read those books and enjoy them 💀
I absolutely DESPISE Credence, simply based on the factors you said in the beginning. Like, that's disgusting. Who would have the absolute GAL to write this? I would feel so much shame oml.
Someone who is okay with not only writing this stuff but basically excusing and condoning it in the text as well, definitely needs their hard drive checked omg. I wouldn’t be able to sit through a description of this book if you weren’t there to say exactly what I’m thinking lol.
There's so many stories where somebody does something terrible, the victim is reasonably upset, and NOW of all time they get informed that the terrible person had something bad happen to them in the past which makes the VICTIM apologize to said terrible person for no reason at all
I swear it's just like "I know they did this disgusting, terrible, disturbing thing(s) to you but here me out, 3 years ago- (blahblahblah)" as if the justifies everything instead of going to therapy for once
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@Nikki Carreon are migrants are bad people so migrants is a person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions.
Hi Nikki! I saw a commercial on TH-cam for a movie. The only problem is- it's a Colleen Hoover movie. It's based of of the book "It Ends With Us" and I was wondering if you could cover it whenever it releases.
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29:25 This is just an immature response from her.
Can booktok authors PLEASE stop writing about female leads starting families with their rapists im begging i cant take this anymore
Seriously I can’t even lie it makes me actually physically sick.
some of these women need to be LOCKED UPPP
@user-ke3jj8bi4f then don't read it. Not everything has to appeal to you in particular.😐
Shit and I thought reddit was bad
@@CjMyers-i3r nah they’re basically at the same level
3.69/5 is WAY too high 😭😭😕
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Posting this on Father’s Day is diabolical.
HAHAHA
is it father´s day? wtf
Whats a father?
STOPP😭😭NOT TREIAYN (or whatever her name is)😭😭😭😭
As a father myself don't feel bad because I also forgot lol
I genuinely can't believe that them being literally related was one of the least problematic things about these men😭😭
Exactly 😂😂
I think we have a problem here bois
They are technically related but it’s her step cousin which she hasn’t met and has no cousin relationship with. I still don’t support this but it’s better then a direct sibling or step sibling
The two extremes of a girl living with three boys in media:
1) New girl
2) Whatever this is
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never watched new girl but it seems cool i might start it
@@CristianoCr7_htxmy most favorite tv show ever, I highly recommend‼️
What’s New Girl about? Like just a quick summary
@@ZeeWee910 been years since I watched it but it's about a quirky optimistic teacher who moves in with 3 guy roommates in the city. They're all a bit more negative and cynical which contrasts with her more upbeat energy. There's one who's a super cynical bartender. One who's a more friendly ex basketball player. And one who's a materialistic kind of annoying corporate guy. It's a fun, comedy,drama,slice of life about their lives. Similar to the vibe of friends.
Some authors need to accept the fact that they belong on wattpad..
I’ve read some truly diabolical things on wattpad back in the day but I don’t ever remember reading anything this bad there
More like their writing should stay in the drafts
that they dont belong anywhere id say
perhaps some authors belong in jail
Hmm. I really liked Penelope Douglas's book Birthday Girl, but they noted in the acknowledgments that it's a departure from their other books.
I HATE CREDENCE. I can't wait to watch a 1 hour yt video on it.
Realest comment ive ever seen
I wish I could repost a comment
So true
I can easily see why, this bothers me on a new level I didn't really think possible.
lmao real
The way Kaleb acts like a literal toddler and we're meant to think that's sexy? Penelope, let's get real.
He behaves like a mentally handicapped person like mentally a child so creepy
That’s exactly what I thought! I take care of a two and a half year old with more emotional maturity
Right especially the fact that hes super violent and always gets his way through it just really solidifies that 😟🫸🏾
Read this right before he flung applesauce on the mc’s face so that was perfect timing
Say what 💀
You know the situation is more than shitty when the antagonists’ “they don’t really love you” speech actually sounds like valid and caring advice
Exactlyyy like Cece was 100% RIGHT. She was not wrong in a single one of her accusations.
Honestly I thought that tiernan and cece we’re gonna have a thing. Cece was totally right, and that whole interaction was so fucking sexually charged
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“This book contains *lists off some of the worst things imaginable*, e-bikes “
E-bikes are scary. Source- I’m a bike technician. I appreciated the cw lmao
E bikes can explode dude they scary
Better yet, you yourself included ‘rednecks’ into the ‘worst things imaginable’ list as if they are elusive fae-like cryptids that will devour your soul or something 😂
hey, e-bikes are pretty scary man.
they’re pretty scary.
This ain't colorado, this is alabama
Book so bad we went to a different state
♪ Sweet Home Colorado; Smoke some weed, then out you go. ♫
(No but for real, we don't want this mess LOL)
respectfully can you guys stop it LMAO like people in the south do not deserve this. stop viewing incest as some backroads rural shit it's happening everywhere and poor people living in the deep south deserve better than to be stereotyped
Why do these booktok authors romanticize men being awful to the main character? I’m actually really into men being nice to me (and them not being related to me)
Daddy issues I don’t know 😭
@@PaperLoser-gv4wb i have fatherly issues and i am NOT into any of this ☠☠
@@nebula541 ur clear 🫡
Because people like to explore unhealthy dynamics in fiction. In real life that shit is obviously bad, but if you are aware that it is fictional you can have an interesting time exploring those themes without the real world collateral. That’s why most of the people who are reading these books SHOULD be adults.
@@cosmicbuffinmuffin5447 that’s true but let’s be real, minors have access to all of this. In fact I’d argue that minors have access to nearly everything adults to and things that are adult content. It being fiction does make it a essentially a safe space for people to explore all the twisted shit they’d like to read with no real life affects. Other than p0rn addiction or things of that matter. But again it does affect people in the real world, and like I say fiction bleeds into reality
The way eating raw deer blood wouldve had him spewing from both ends in fucking MINUTES
I’d like to believe that’s cannon
i expected that to be the line right after
Lol with how he was trying to keep her away by being a dick, thats now my reason why he did it. "She won't like me if I'm projecting from both ends..." solid plan bro 👍10/10
@@Slappap I should've done that....wait
this book is barely legal from every angle
age? "uhh they waited til she was 18🤓", consent? "uhh she kinda enjoyed it🤓", family? "uhh theyre STEPcousins and hes her STEPuncle🤓"
Jesus Christ, Karen, it's FICTION! Go and live in Russia or China if you think that the law should investigate people for writing FICTION. Anais Nin and the Marquis de Sade wrote far worse, are you going to complain about them too?
and u cant even argue about the incest because the blood-related brothers have a threesome with her too
It feels like a pornhub video but in paper form😭😭
dead plate mentioned... teehehee 🔥
(anyways real)
@@kaka_445yes!!!!! Oh my gosh yes! Bruh I people on TikTok recreating this for an “aesthetic” is crazy it’s literally just 🌽
I’m still in shock that incest is THIS normalized! How are there so many reviews??? My head hurts and I want to vomit
Fr, I hate how common that fetish is.
What’s worse is the p3dophilia
Truly a show of how much these people (the authors) didn't get the proper love at home, never dealt with their trauma and started normalizing every terrible thing in their life which they broadcasted to the world. It's a tragedy.
I was just hoping they were bad reviews, like the ones warning ppl not to read this book n all
Yeah, and they always try to justify it by making them step relatives, as if not being blood related means it’s ok. Like 1. Familial relationships are social and not solely biological, wtf do you think adoption is for, and 2. It just makes me feel like you want to do biological incest but dont want ppl to know that bc it would be “too far”
Having the pedo-incest-abusive father and sons being the good guys and the people being concerned about a 17 yo being hit on by her cousins/ uncle the bad guys is so crazy, like how? Genuinely how? I hate the argument “it’s just fiction” so much oh my god
I don't agree with inc*st in real life but behaving as though the presence or "romanticization" of it in media is going to somehow cause a surge of it in real life is genuinely inane. Unfortunately, in today's generation those beliefs are widespread and people honestly believe that simply having a negative thing in media portrayed in anything but a negative light is going make people want to partake in the negative behavior/action is a thing that happens. Media influences real life yes, but this stupid "violent video games cause school shootings!" mindset that so many people have makes me so actually annoyed. Not only has it been endlessly disproved it just sounds...dumb. There is areason the word "puriteen" is getting popular. I stg some people really need to get off line and get some perspective in the real world. Stop judging people for the media they enjoys and stop obfuscating your own personal gripes under the veneer if "not wanting people to think it's okay in real life." You don't believe that, and if you do...Yikes we really are all doomed.
The “it’s just fiction excuse” is people’s only argument. I need a new one because it’s been old
I don't agree with inc*st in real life but behaving as though the presence or "romanticization" of it in media is going to somehow cause a surge of it in real life is genuinely inane. Unfortunately, in today's generation those beliefs are widespread and people honestly believe that simply having a negative thing in media portrayed in anything but a negative light is going make people want to partake in the negative behavior/action is a thing that happens. Media influences real life yes, but this stupid "violent video games cause school shootings!" mindset that so many people have makes me so actually annoyed. Not only has it been endlessly disproved it just sounds...dumb. There is areason the word "puriteen" is getting popular. I stg some people really need to get off line and get some perspective in the real world. Stop judging people for the media they enjoys and stop obfuscating your own personal gripes under the veneer if "not wanting people to think it's okay in real life." You don't believe that, and if you do...Yikes we really are all doomed.
@@PaperLoser-gv4wb I see this with Miku a lot when people make s3xual art of her because “well she’s technically a voicebank” or “it’s legal to date 16 year olds in xx place” like that makes it okay?? I’ve even seen people try to argue she isn’t 16 when it’s literally the first and only thing that pops up when you search her age 😭
@@E7XEE even though miku can be anything, it’s so weird people chose to sexualize the minor version of her, or even think of sexualizing her. I remember I saw this one Artist who only drew nsfw of miku and she looked like a minor. Disgusting. The “it’s legal to date minors in (insert country)” screams ped0
When i read "incest?" In the title i thougth it was a Collen hoover book 😭my level of traumatized
The book reeks of Colleen Hoover but it’s just somehow much more worse
I miss those times when the most toxic book was still 50 shades of Grey
lol same
Omg samee 😅
We are truly in the dark ages if Colleen Hoover is the lesser evil when it comes to writing shit
ah yes, the rainbow vaseline which is double the price of normal vaseline😻
Worth it
And is in no way different than the original 🙄🤣
but its gay
@@unstaybul pff, If you knew anything about gay people, its that vegetable shortening is the way to go
@99morphine im gay... and its a joke
I’ve seen way too many comments saying “Penelope really made me question my morals with this book 🥰🤪”like your morals on…r@pe and incest??? Everyone on booktok needs their laptops CHECKED
Every person who said that probably ships wincest...
@@Shinobuswisteriaposion oh lawd 😭
@@webmasterwidow953 just being honest 😐
@Shinobuswisteriaposion what's wincest?
@@_.-cloudy-._ my sweet summer child...
What's the deal with "romance" / spicy authors and making all the love interests disgusting criminals creeps and excusing it with "he is so handsome"
The same reason women will go for a bad boy over the nice guy she'll friend zone in a heartbeat.
@@TLB7476BOOOOOOOOOOO 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅
@@TLB7476 my brother in christ, im sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but she doesnt want you
@@TLB7476 Peeyew onion boy
Seriously it’s an awful excuse of writing
I just found out Penelope uses they/them pronouns! I didn’t mean to misgender them, I consider myself gender fluid so I promise there was no malice intended! Please be respectful of that in the comments!
Pin this
Don’t worry, we understand!! You’re an icon in my eyes still at least!!! (deleted my original comment since you addressed this here)
On some of Penelope’s official social media accounts there’s “she/they” listed in the bio for pronouns so I’m pretty sure Penelope is okay with both
@@icravedeath.1200Legally she can’t. She’s under contract to pin the sponsorship message.
@@gummygrenade oh ok, btw cute pfp
i think it's crazy how the author is clearly trying to justify the things going on, like "it's fine, they her STEP cousins and uncle, and they didn't ACTUALLY HAVE SEX until her 18th birthday"
like that somehow makes it all okay ?? 😭
Like literally the second she turned 18
*despite the fact that she still thinks of them as being biologically related to her, & jake was vividly imagining having sex with her when she was 17
Yeah like her turning 18 magically transforms her into an adult, Winx style like what?!
@@jerusha4jesus fr its creepy how older guys will immediately try to hook up with someone who JUST TURNED 18 like they were waiting since birth for them 🤢
my mexico is a crazy tattoo when her name was flora he could've gotten a flower or even my flower that would've sounded better 😭
Bro just chose her country like what?😭
Anyone else find it suspicious that that's what he thought was the most memorable thing about her?
I guess it’s better than “my Mexican” but by how much y’know like that’s so written my a white person “my little slice of Mexico” “my little Italian sub” “my polish sausage”
@@jacquesmoreno6058 my Mexican is wild ☠️
@@PaperLoser-gv4wb they’re a hop and a skip away from that. “This tattoo is for my Mexican and this one is for my German and this one-“
according to google (lol), the legal age of consent in Colorado is 17, and in California its 18.. so she purposefully set this story somewhere where their creepy relationship is still legal at her age which is 17. I hate this 😭
Age of consent has pretty narrow scope, in Colorado Noah would be able to legally have sex with a 17 year old but not kaleb or uncle creepy. It's a four year older allowance not a free for all. On top of that none of this would be legal even at 18 in Colorado as its incest, and Colorado does cover step and adopted relations. Urgh. I feel a little grosser just for having thought about this book lol
@@morgank.6113 oh god 😭 so there’s no way around it? most of this book is just completely illegal
@@daisysb444 it actually could've been if it was in Rhode Island or Ohio as long she was over 16 and it's not a parent, and New Jersey as long as shes 18
@@morgank.6113 But she was still a minor? I get the age of consent but it just means that a adult wanted to have sex with a minor.
@@coolfoxhay629 oh sure morally I'm not cool with it. But legally an adult can have sex with a minor if they are in a certain age range, depending on region. Typically these are called romeo and juliet laws, its essentially protecting relationships that could plausibly have started when everyone involved was a minor . Say a freshman and a senior start dating and then the senior obviously becomes an adult the next year while the freshman is like 15. Other factors go into this, as coerced sex and abusive behavior is frowned on regardless of age, but typically a twenty year old hooking up with a 17 year old wouldn't be prosecuted without something else going on. Like incest. Or violence.
When I saw the cover of Credence I thought it was going to be like Twilight. I didn't know that I could be disappointed that something wasn't like Twilight.
I didn't know that I could be disappointed that something wasn't like twilight is one of the funniest sentences I've ever heard
Fuck, but like same though 😂❤
Honestly hilarious of Penelope to give their characters who live on a mountain a surname that means ‘from the mountain’. They’re literally called Mountain Man. SpongeBob SquarePants ass name, 10/10 no notes
Remus Lupin but somehow much more diabolical 😭
THE HASH SLINGING SLASHER
@@sophie427 wolf wolf is unforgivable 😭
@ville__ look at this corny ahh talking 🫵😂
@@Tregearthisshi trust me just ignore them, they’re a rage bait bot, I’ve seen them on other videos
credence (and in general every book that penelope douglas wrote) is my 13th reason why
I'm not defending CoHo by any stretch of the imagination, but the two Penelope Douglas books I've seen reviews of (Credence and Bully) have made me angrier than almost every CoHo book.
@@LemonDrop-zx2ml agreed. For me Douglas is far more worse than coho. She promotes more dangerous beliefs than that cringey blondie. Yes, coho's male protagonists are criminals, but Douglas's... deserves not jail time, but Alcatraz time
@@LemonDrop-zx2mlomg someone did u watch alizee
This is so freaking funny😂
Alright, laughed against my will
Why do mediocre writers insist on combining overcomplicated badly written drama with taboo erotica? It ends up failing in both. Just write mindless smut, its honestly easier to read.
this book wouldn’t be popular if it wasn’t taboo. there will always be a market for books that fulfill someone’s weird kink.
@@hmm4553 kinks imply consent brah, this is a paraphilia
i feel like if ao3 writers got old enough to publish then we just wouldn’t need mindless smut in books anymore bc it would overflow the market, which tbh would be a good thing bc it means books like credence are less likely to exist (or at least, in a perfect world)
In theory makes sense. The drama heightens the emotions and that makes the erotica more intense (just like how, in real life, rebound s*x with a toxic ex-partner feels more intense not because they're better at doing it that other people but because they put you in an state of intense conflicting emotions)... *the problem is the awful excecution of that theory*
@@schedar_cassiopeiamost ao3 authors are grown adults
SHE APOLOGIZED TO KALEB?! AFTER HE-- WHAT THE--
i am so livid
"I'm not sharing a woman with my two sons" is definitely one of the worst book red flags I've heard in a hot minute T_T
fr there’s no redemption for a book with that line
"he doesn't hit women" literally BOMBASTIC side eye because bro just hit a woman five seconds ago
no because the most disgusting part of credence honestly isn't how they're cousin/cousin or uncle/niece. it's that tiernan's vulnerability was literally taken advantage of. they knew she wanted love because of her childhood and??
EXACTLY! AND IT'S BEING ROMANIZED. PEOPLE ARE GONNA READ THIS AND THINK IT'S OKAY.
@@ahmadalimi9784 are you justifying what's in the book?
This!!!
@@ahmadalimi9784but teenagers do see abuse and think it’s romantic. Great non-compatible comparison considering that violence isn’t romanticized in our society while abuse is. Have a good day and I hope you eventually widen your mind about the consequences of romanticizing DA and SA.
@@ahmadalimi9784 listen, I'm not genuinely trying to fight/argue with you ( sorry if I come off as rude. ) but you would be surprised how easily people are influenced. I also see where you're coming from, that's not always how it works, but there will be a person who reads this kind of garbage and considers it " okay and normal"
How about we agree to disagree?
These book girlies can never shame me for preferring fanfiction with it's tags and filters and trigger warnings. Nothing worse than starting a book only to find out it's incest or teenager/ old man or worse. I don't ever have these problems on Ao3.
I can't imagine how someone can recomend this book without mentioning that it has an incestuous relationship between a teenager and her uncle. I know tiktok videos need to be short but that would be like recomending _Planet of the Apes_ without even mentioning that it has talking monkeys!
@Mario_Angel_Medina there was one dark romance book I saw a review of, and I can't for the life of me remember the name but it had inc*st between a dad and his teenage daughter when they get lost in the wilderness, and the author was actively telling readers to be super vague in recommending or reviewing the book (literally, "please don't give away the twist teehee") because she wanted readers going in as blind as possible for the shock factor. It was super ick
@@xoPotatoTreexo 😢wtf....
@@xoPotatoTreexo 😱😱😱 that's despicable
In the fanfiction writing community, a character falling in love with their rapist is one of those bad writing tropes viewed as the mark of an immature or inexperienced author, and generally avoided like the plague. It’s right up there with Mary Sue/Gary Stu characters and using so many euphemisms that two characters interacting reads like half a dozen. Kinda blows my mind that this book got published and people paid actual money for it when it would have been considered trash if it were posted for free on AOx3.
Why does almost every character in this book belong on some kind of list
LMAO
that's because they do
because the author does too
This book screams "reading Lolita and somehow massively missing the very obvious point", yikes
I have serious beef with Penelope simply because she wrote this god awful book 😭🙏
Lmao same
Hey, Penelope uses they/them pronouns! Even if you don't like someone, it's important to use the right pronouns
@@yourmusekay3492 can I ask where you found this information because I tried to find what pronouns Penelope used but even the official website uses she/her
@@graceosullivan8991 I may have jumped the gun slightly since it turns out actually she/they is the preferred set it seems like! I just double checked myself. The goodreads profile (written by the author) uses they/them and she/they is used on the Twitter profile (also official)
@@graceosullivan8991 if this posts twice, apologies. But the official Twitter uses she/they and the official goodreads uses they/them
I do also find the fetish of “Barley Legal” to be such a weird fetish. It does kinda feel like a remit of the sexualization of minors that’s been normalized, arguably along with the “Schoolgirl” fetish. Like in my opinion, it’s so weird seeing 18 year olds flex that they’re “barley legal” and the audience loving it. Idk it just feels more weird and icky than anything else for me
Girl like that fetish should be illegal on its own
I've said it a couple of times, a lot of men never grow-out of the teenager mindset. They think that because they were attracted to 14-years-olds back when they were 14 too its ok to still be attracted to 14-years-olds when you're an adult. The gross "I get older but they remain the same" mentality
@@Mario_Angel_Medina "I was never good at telling jokes, but the punchline goes: I'll get older but your lovers stay my age from when your Brooklyn broke my skin and bones."
@@sparkelli8610 I was refferencing the film "Dazed and Confused" (and maybe Taylor Swift was refferencing it too, probably) but yes, that's the idea
its so gross, and downright pedophilic. imo anyone who says they're into that should be put on a watchlist
I only know of Penelope through Credence and Bully but the fact that they’ve written at least two different eroticas about innocent virginal 17 year old girls who fall in love with abusive hypersexual men and start having sex immediately after their 18th birthday is so gross to me. Like they’re 47 year old! I get that they’re an edgy taboo author but why are they so invested in super immature barely legal teens losing their virginity? Like even if some kids and teens read them, erotica is meant to be marketed towards adults. What full grown adult wants to read about children having sex? Fuckin weird man
THIS AUTHOR IS ALMOST 50 AND WRITING ABOUT 17/BARELY LEGAL 18 YR OLDS HAVING SEX? HUH??!:!:
@@strawberrysodas3433 literally like when I first heard of them I thought they were in their twenties or maybe at a push their thirties and even then it would be weird but no. They’re fully middle aged and writing about teenagers
When I read that they're 47 I quite literally said aloud "oh... my god, that fuckin SUCKS".
This is even more disturbing, Jesus
I really don't understand authors past 30 writing adult (explicit) books with teenage main characters. If they were writing YA or preteen books, then I'd understand. It's just weird. Why not make the mc like 22 or something?
Booktok writers on their way to make the most unsexy awful book and then proceed to call them "spicy":
How was this book allowed to be published? It’s disgusting and there’s barely a plot. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with having these subjects in stories, as long as they’re handled correctly. This book did not do anything correct and made the dudes out to be the victims of this emotionally broken child who needed love. Truly fucking vile how anyone could write or enjoy this.
@doggirldoodles I thought she's an unreliable narrator (bereave, naive, romanticising as a coping mechanism). How was it publised? Freedom of expression. Anais Nin and the Marquis de Sade wrote far worse stuff.
If this was allowed through imagine the steaming dogshit that isn't
Imagine what isn't allowed...
The worst part is that this could have been a great horror story/cautionary about how, often times, it’s the people you’re closest to that hurt and take advantage of you the most like your family
But it’s not. It’s the sexualization and romanticism of of sexual abuse pseudo incest and violence
it reads like a horror story😍
A horror story to our innocence
The author needs to be investigated. This book is sick.
would you believe it’s not their worst😍
lol that’s a bit much
@@PuTang-w1nnah something wrong with their mind.
@@coolfoxhay629wellness check? 🙂↕️
@@PuTang-w1n no its not😭😭 they wrote this book and released it to the world with NO SHAME. get the fbi on that mfker
What pisses me off the most is how Terrence is somehow seen as the bad guy by the narrative for trying to force himself on Tiernan… but KALEB DID THE EXACT SAME THING?? SUDDENLY BECAUSE HE’S THE LOVE INTEREST (and her cousin) IT’S OKAY??? I hate the double standards in this book I HATE IT. I hate it almost as much as I hate the fucking INCEST
i hate seeing “he’s the love interest and cousin” in the same sentence🤢
@@rae4007it’s the best part to some of these people on earth apparently 😭
So I actually know Penelope personally, and I was shocked when I found out the type of stuff she wrote. She’s been a family friend since before I was born, and this freaks me out so much. Going to see her in a week at Disneyland, wish me luck
Update: She was actually there in Anaheim for a book signing so she was discussing that a lot with my parents and I just felt extremely weirded out if you could imagine. I read just one page from one of her books and never looked back. It’s so weird to think that people you’re close with could be doing nasty things like that even without your knowledge
That's actually terrifying what 😭😭
imagine how awkward it gets during gatherings
@@maimaiphobic yeah… going to disneyland with her next month. 😬 i don’t know how i can look at her
@iiaxeliem1046 good luck bro
@@iiaxeliem1046 yikes...maybe start recommending therapists to her. Good luck soldier
WHAT
Im sorry but i fr think someone needs to check Penelope’s files because this book is so so sickening. It lowkey makes me upset that i feel like they wrote it thinking there was going to be an audience who LIKED this book. Because it’s so bad that I’m wondering if this has to be satirical? Idk but I’m sad after this video LMAO.
@ville__ found Penelope’s target audience I guess…
@ville__you mom is better
"Girl needs a 3 peice chicken combo from Canes and a youtube video STAT" i felt that
EXTRA FRIES AND TEXAS TOAST BUTTERED ON BOTH SIDES WITH A DR. PEPPY.
@@Quesoquantum nah this MF a real one I got an extra want one
And intensive therapy
So glad people are starting to talk about Booktok's romanticization and downplaying of SA. The 3.69 really says a lot and with how popular these types of books are becoming in spaces like booktok I am worried about how much more common books with tropes like this are going to become.
I know because it has heavy topic of committing unlive and other crimes thing is just brushes side as I shock value or develop and romanticize and normalize it in the story and this feel sick of this trope
To add to the SA: pedophilia, forced pregnancies,incest and whatever the hell Colleen hoover writes
I believe that just like porn ruined sex for men, these types of books are ruining romance for women. The amount of women that find these books where the man is abusive to be romantic is quite disturbing
It's really disheartening to see people defend these vile men in media, claiming what they do is not abuse. That's where the fictional bleeds into reality because these horrible things happen to real life people. Every defence of fictional perpetrators inadvertently defends real life abusers too.
Yes they roasted me to death because I hate "All the ugly and wonderful things" which is a book romanticizing pedophilia and letting the little girl end up with the old guy 😢
There’s so many messed up things about barely legal corn. Not only does it s*xualize minors but it also makes women feel like they’re only desirable when they are young. This really affected me when I was 18-21 I was very hypers*xual. And the thing is, I don’t even look that different at 25!! Like I’m so mad that I thought I would only be desirable at a young and inexperienced age. Now I have a super weird relationship with s*x that I regret 😞
What I’m trying to say is if you’re a girl who is 18-21 (or even younger) do not feel like you’re only desirable while young! It is a dumb thing men and the corn industry make young women feel self conscious about! Do not ever feel pressured to do things you aren’t ready for ❤️
Also would like to add that this can be damaging because it teaches young girls theyre ready for those things at that age and even that its normal to be on OF and everything, even though most of us probably arent ready for that kind of thing because 18 is still very young
yes kiddos anyone who says no one will love you past the age of 20 not only LIED but is probably a predator🙏🏽25,30 or even 40 is not old or undesirable and someone will love you for you and not just your age,looks or innocence🤢take your time to grow and find out what you want and don’t want~a milf and dilf lover🙏🏽
hi thank you for saying this i’m 21 and not in the best situation and i always think about how by the time i’m in a better place i won’t be desirable anymore. this has given me a lot of hope lol
@@august6629 I read a news article the other days about two people in their 90s marrying. You will never stop being desirable. Time is a companion, not an enemy.
Don’t blame anything but yourself corny
see i like my smut books but WHY are people on booktok making R8PE so normalized in smut books now? its not "cute" its disgusting
AND INCEST ITS GROSS STOPPPP
I’m convinced that there must be a gas leak in that house
If only.
I just love that “Van der Berg” is basically Dutch for “from the mountain”.
Ah yes, the “from the mountain” family that lives in the mountains. How creative.
Isn’t it German sorry if this is stupid
@@rattusskelly6393 no. I’m german. In german it would be “von dem Berg”. Dutch and german are very similar
@@lb4965 ohh cool I thought burg was Dutch for mountain but I was going off of what it is in afrikaans which is also similar
@@rattusskelly6393Not to be a random nerd but English, Afrikaans, Dutch, and German are all Germanic languages. If you were, for example, a native English speaker, youd have an easy time learning these languages because they are extremely similar!
@@rattusskelly6393 Dutch speaker hear, it's Dutch. But yeah German, Dutch and Afrikaans (don't know the English term) are indeed pretty similar.
i was surprised that the mc's parents even went through the trouble of assigning a guardian for her in the first place, until i remembered that it was probably the worst thing they ever did to her
33:45 The fact that the ""bad guys"" (holcomb and cici) make the sanest and logical statement tells us a lot about this book
Yeah.. Nice pfp tho! is it gee way???
they really put every taboo trope into one story with none of the characters feeling shame or self-aware
Imagine telling your child that their father is your step-cousin and you lost your virginity to their grandpa
this isnt a romance, its a psychological thriller, and i would rather gouge my eyes out than read it🤢
As a local Coloradan... this book is DEEPLY disturbing, on a NUMBER of levels...
Our beautiful state is being desecrated by this book 😔
This book is drying up the river
My state being used for an incest erotica is so bad
I'm gonna lose it
@@PaperLoser-gv4wb man we can't handle more dry rivers out here, we headin' back to the dust bowl
@@loni1932 And unfortunately, it's not the only incest or step-incest plotline set in Colorado. There's also My Life with the Walter Boys, Clueless...
I've noticed a theme of these sorts of plotlines set in "flyover country," and it's a really confusing phenomenon. (I put this in air quotes, because I just kind of hate that term, but couldn't find a better term for what I'm seeing).
i-------- my 16 year old sister has this book and I am just now learning that THIS is what the book contained.
omg tell ur mum 😭
Please please please talk to her about it and if she doesn't listen tell her mom cause that could be dangerous for her 😢
Children have access to far worse things, always have always will. There are people that let their children, like 8-10 year old children, read Steven King books... He has a lot of sexual assault in them, of children.
@@TLB7476 doesn't excuse this book
@@TLB7476 you mean Stephen king? At least he doesn't justify the crimes happening in his books. And reading something shitty at 8/10, and at 16 is completely different. I remember reading some adult thriller when i was around 10, i got the thrill, and the messed up part totally flew over my head. I'm pretty sure if i were to read that book at 16, it would've affected me pretty badly
out of 3 horrible love interests how does she manage to pick the WORST one???? like how was i rooting for noah simply because he was the lesser of three evils 😭 how does she pick the absolute most diabolical horrible evil icky one 😭
Frfr
Petition to write a fanfiction and publish it where Cici and Tiernan get together after the 3 vanderburgs are all either incarcerated or killed
signed
I read this book and realized booktok reviews could not be trusted
All credibility is lost
stell ball run fan spoted!
i realized booktok could not be trusted when i fell into the colleen hoover it ends with us trap.
I wanted to read this book but now…yeah no
MOTHER HAS COME TO FEED US.
we shall feast graciously
*ç ø ñ š ù m é*
I was famished, but then immediately choked on my meal and passed away
we shall feast
I imagine this like a nest of birds cheeping as mother Nikki feeds us
I saw this on the "employee recommended" shelf in a Books A Million once 💀
The shock of seeing this sitting full on out and about in Barnes and noble was ABYSMAL
Aside from the obvious issues with this book, I also hate this seemingly rampant trope in these booktok romance novels where these boring, underwritten female protagonists have every man in town want them so bad they’ll go CRAAZY VIOLENT for them.
Can we not just have a main girl with a good personality who doesn’t incite instalust in every man in her near vicinity??
a lot of author's ideas of good female personalities is just a cringeworthy amount of sass. atleast if they're as plain as cardboard it's not as painful to read
I kept mishearing the name "Tiernan" as "Tyranid" (as in those alien bug monsters from Warhammer 40k) and that made this book's synopsis slightly more bearable 😂😂😂
I'M SO GLAD IT ISN'T JUST ME 💀🙏
i genuinely think Penelope Douglas is one of the worst authors of our generation if not lifetime in both chosen storylines and prose and is the reason i dont read books hyped by booktok anymore i flat-out dont trust those girlies anymore in the kindest way possible they have no standards lmao
I'm a Coloradan, and I would just like to say no where in the mountains do we get so much snow that you can't leave your house for more than a day
Right? Like my ass thought they were in Greenland or the polar arctic. I lived in Woodland Park closer to Pikes Peak and they'd have everything shoveled out the moment it snowed. That's like... the Colorado sport.
Author must have read The Shining…
@@anondecepticon Estes park barely gets that much snow too like where's all this misinformation coming from 😭
it’s so disgusting that they try and pass it off as this coming of age story! LIKE UHHH NOOOOO NO NO NO EWWWWW EW BAD PENELOPEY BADDD
This literally sounds more like a horror story rather than a "romance" with the amount of goosebumps it gave me
What creeped me out even more about this book was the very strange underlying borderline incestuous vibes between the two brothers themselves 😬😬😬
The amount of disappointed sighs, forehead rubs, wide eyed stares into oblivion, and an awful feeling in my chest that THE SUMMARY of this book gave makes me believe I would actually die if I read it myself. I fear I would spontaneously combust. -1000/10 🤢🤢🤢
the start of this book would have been the perfect setup for a horror book, like the whole getting snowed in for 3 months and everything??? the plot wouldn't even have to change that much, just have tiernan be a normal freaking human being
i think your idea that Penelope is grifting to the right is true they have a fascination with all their characters having blonde hair blue eyes and i remember a certain someone in Germany who also shared this sentiment
Meanwhile, that “certain someone in Germany” was actually Austrian and had black hair and brown eyes
“a certain someone in germany” is a WILD sentence 😂. 10/10 comment
It's not a race thing. It's a representation of herself. These are her fetishes and she's just inserting herself into these books lol
Whenever I see this book at Walmart or Barns and Noble, what’s left of my humanity dies. The author also wrote a bully romance too. The rants on these books are amazing
the whole “it’s just fiction” and “fiction doesn’t affect reality” set us back to the ice ages. like why the hell did people started to be afraid of sharks after shark attack movies? fiction *does* affect reality
and sharks dont even attack people commonly unless its starving or provoked, heck dolphins are worse
fiction can be used to harm if tried hard enough
like putting a phrase from a book and use it as an insult.
or ya know general propaganda that spreads hate, fiction standalone wont affect reality but crazies do
Fiction can also spread harmful stereotypes and misinformation too!
penelope douglas you will start coughing in 3 days.
Been staring at this for abt 20 minutes and I still don't know wth it means, but I support it.
This is such a funny ass comment
I love the idea of siccing the plague on Penelope Douglas
Wow 🤣🤣
Clicked on this thinking Colleen Hoover wrote this
Same 😂
It’s somehow worse
literally same 💔
having a character named Tiernan and one named Terrance should be a crime
The whole book is a crime 😭😭
@@estervandenbogaert3311It's multiple crimes atp. We need to check Penelope's hard drive
Let's just add that to the ever-growing list
as someone who was born in colorado, we do not accept these individuals 👎👎👎👎
Okay, as balm after this nightmare, I'm gonna read "Jane Doe" by Victoria Helen Stone, which is about an ice-cold sociopathic woman who plots revenge on her dead best friend's abusive ex, seduce and destroy style.
screenshotted this tysm
33:07 Funny that these two who warned Tiernan about the true nature of the Van der Bergs are being portrayed as villains while any sane writer would consider them as the heroes.
NO GAY BOOK IN PRIDE MONTH?? NOOOO
pride month isnt over 😭
Hopefully we get the best rated pride books review soon that would so fun
i'm bashing my head against the wall rn
@ville__ peeeedooo
@@oppoloppo its a bot ignore it or report it
DRINKING MY MONSTER ON A ROADTRIP SO EXCITED, I NEEDED A VIDEO TO WATCH TY NIKKI
TGAT SIOUNDS AWESOEM
IM ON A ROADTRIP RN TOO >_
YOOOOOOOOOOOO
IM ON A ROAD TRIP ASWELL (•^-^•)
Good 4 yall,but monster is literally g-fuel on steriorods.
as a victim of harassment by my cousin (also, only heard by my father cuz no one else believed me) when i was a minor, i just can't understand the appeal. besides the obvious fact that r*pe is a crime and shouldn't be romanticized, it's even worse bc it's also incestuous. im sorry but how incest is hot to some people? i never looked at my cousins and thought about they're being hot and wanting them to kiss me. just the idea is already ew to me. it still shocks me that there's people writing things like this as a ROMANCE. cuz it's ????? i've lived and grown up with abuse. i literally didn't know how being treated like a normal human being was. my ex had to call me out. only now, at 25, im slowly getting out of this toxicity. seeing these booktok romances tho drives me insane bc why would you want to be treated so badly? it destroys u! it's not sweet. i would particularly want someone who treats me the way i deserve and that i could have fun with. no cousins, no incest, no 'misunderstood' boys who literally abuse and harass u. just a normal and healthy relationship, thank you very much
Fun part to add about the ending: Uncle Jake ends up with Mirai, and she knows EVERYTHING. Tiernan told her as soon as she moved back and when Jake came up with Caleb, she even punched him in the nose.
Looking up at the video around the half way point and seeing that Caleb is spelt with a K filled me with immense rage
can we also just talk about how fugly the cover of this book is?? like maybe we should have judged this book by its cover this time around 😭😭
Lmao the cover looks like it belongs to a poorly written self help nook
this book is possibly the worst thing i've ever head about in a long time honestly?????? how people are rating it this highly is beyond me... it's why i gotta watch other people tear it apart for enjoyment.
also just as a corrective add-on: i believe penelope uses they/them pronouns
Love the Lee pfp
Good news is that Nikki corrected themself, but couldn't pin the correction because of her sponsorship.
yooo fellow PGR fan??
It's porbably because booktok is recommending books far worse than this one
As a nonbinary, I will cancel Penelope. That book should be burned.
16:31 I was drawing and I heard that, I stopped,looked up, and gasped. I really thought you were gonna say attack her but that's so much worse😫
These critiques make me feel like I could become a writer because of how god awful these books are 😂
Nikki, sometimes when you read books like this I think I blackout halfway through just cuz the content is so just… ICKY 😭 like that one video about the lady who was an author being sick in bed and the other woman who comes into the home and starts reading her memoirs, my mind barely grasped that book. I can’t even remember the name of it!
That sounds like CoHo's Verity. It was an awful book, too.
@@LemonDrop-zx2ml YES it was that one 😭
That’s the point though if the books weren’t crazy the videos wouldn’t be as entertaining
And the crazy part is that there are people who read those books and enjoy them 💀
@@lyna7038 i genuinely just like to hear Nikki’s voice even if I’m not really understanding what I’m listening to
Verity. I personally liked that one because it had a somewhat interesting concept and no SA. But the writing...
I absolutely DESPISE Credence, simply based on the factors you said in the beginning. Like, that's disgusting. Who would have the absolute GAL to write this? I would feel so much shame oml.
These photo choices are diabolical dude, I love em
Dude my 15 yr old cousin said she’s read this and I was like O.O girl where is your mom
Someone who is okay with not only writing this stuff but basically excusing and condoning it in the text as well, definitely needs their hard drive checked omg. I wouldn’t be able to sit through a description of this book if you weren’t there to say exactly what I’m thinking lol.
No better way of wasting your time then reading these books. We appreciate your sacrifice
The Kaleb picture is killing me. 😭
I laughed every time (Noah) Glen Powell's picture was on the screen 😂
"Colorado ? More like freaky-rado" is gonna be living I my head ret free
Can't wait to quote it out of context
(Im not even from the US)
Funny cause the show South Park also takes place in Colorado. So freaky-rado indeed.
There's so many stories where somebody does something terrible, the victim is reasonably upset, and NOW of all time they get informed that the terrible person had something bad happen to them in the past which makes the VICTIM apologize to said terrible person for no reason at all
I swear it's just like "I know they did this disgusting, terrible, disturbing thing(s) to you but here me out, 3 years ago- (blahblahblah)" as if the justifies everything instead of going to therapy for once
From all the reviews I've seen this is a fundamental part of the dark 'romance' genre and I hate it.