A Seiko With a Story - Full Service of a 6119C
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Hello, This video I have a Seiko that has been sent in from a subscriber as it has a great story of survival. A Seiko with a story! I have always said Seiko are practically indestructible and there is another example of what you can throw at these old watches and it still not break!
Stay tuned as I disassemble the 6119C movement, clean and rebuild. We see the before and after shots on the timing machine of the improvement a service makes on this 50 year old Seiko.
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YOUR harassment campaign on ebay against my brother will surely not go unpunished...the po-lice are now involved.
Andrew Jacks what? The eBay seller of the same name has absolutely nothing to do with me. Zero connection .
Wearing my faithful Seiko 5 as I watch this. Great story, thanks for sharing.
Imagine if that was a Rolex? Seiko is very underrated for not being swiss... Nice piece history...
The result would be same. Be it a Seiko, a Rolex or a
Citizen or any other maker as long as the watch has waterproof feature.
If it was a Rolex. He could take it on PBS-Antique Scamshow and get it appraised for $10,000,000.
I enjoy the cleaning montage, but just a suggestion - maybe lower the audio for those sections. The music and the timer going off are quite loud compared to the rest of the video.
Regardless, I enjoyed yet another video of yours! Love the longer-form stuff you've been doing.
thanks for the feedback, you are right the music is loud (Sorry) still learning this editing thing. not that easy....
Yes, please keep the long videos. It's nice for us amateurs who also like to tinker to see the complete teardown and reconstruction. For those that don't like the long vids, they can simply fast forward.........Good job, and great story.
Great video. Most people probably don't realise that, for the money, the build quality of Seiko vintage watches in particular is ridiculously good. For someone on a budget who is new to watch collecting Seiko, and in particular the Seiko 5 range, represent perhaps the most logical starting point for a collection. There are literally tens of thousands of examples out there for between £40-200 offering a range of movement and case combinations complimented by Seiko's amazing dials. The build quality and durability of these truly iconic watches means that there are thousands of examples out there over sixty years old, probably never serviced, and still running and keeping respectable time.
Don't worry about the video length; it certainly didn't seem like over an hour. I'd also recommend keeping the cleaning machine footage, in fact some more details if the timer would be interesting.
thank you, understood.
I am so glad to see that it's not just us rank amateurs who drop screws in the balance spring!!! :-)
haha. that was such a classic mistake too. As you can see I am just like every other hobbyist.
Would love to see a vid where setting up the regulator arms is done as I have several where previous owners have fiddled inside and knocked both arms all over the place and I don't know how to set the arms up in a baseline. I seem to find this with people who have reached the end of the adjustment so think to 'emselves most likely to move the cock thinking they will buy themselves some more adjustment and then of course the watch is going bonkers and so they sell 'em on not telling plonkers like me who buy 'em they fiddled :(
one day mate I will do a regulation video, its straightforward enough just time consuming and does not always end well. big game of cat and mouse as long as the stud arm moves
Keep the musical interlude. I love it!!!
Loved this, including the history. I recommend keeping to one hour or so, gives us all a chance to see the real work being done.
The problem with the engine on that self propelled gun was a timing issue?
Haha! Quite possibly
Great story and nice result. I'm sure he'll be delighted with it. The tank thing is great. Calling any tracked vehicle a tank with afv guys is like calling any 6139 a pogue in the Seiko group. Minutes of entertainment to be had. 😂
Haha , when I spoke to Ken I called it a tank, I was corrected immediately, either way they are amazing machines I have since watched a few TH-cam videos on them. Thanks as always Che
Is there a story for the watch from his buddy?
A side note about beat error... The timegraphers we use show beat error in milliseconds and amplitude in degrees. The higher your amplitude, the faster the balance is rotating, especially as it goes through the impulse phase. This means that if you have any beat error at all, it will worsen as amplitude gets lower and improve as amplitude gets higher. All because the measurement of beat error is in the time domain rather than being expressed in degrees. When amplitude is lower, the overall arc is smaller, and since the time period of the arc doesn't change, the escapement spends a greater overall percentage of time with the impulse jewel inside the fork. Therefore beat error is amplified in the time domain as amplitude lowers, even though the beat error stays the same if expressed in degrees out of center. Hope that makes sense. The practial side of this is understanding that as amplitude goes down, you're effectively zooming in on beat error.
Thank you for this concise explanation. A good incite
My Dad liked this video too. He was a driver/ cannoner on an 8" Howeitzer in the US Army in Vietnam. The gun is larger than that one but very similar. Great video!
Nothing wrong calling it a tank watch, the term came around due to shape and heavy build, Soviet tank watches tend to be super heavy rectangular pieces but can also refer to the Vostok Komandirskie "tank commander" dialled watch which is a very iconic design popular too. I featured a Sekonda branded Slava tank watch recently on my channel which is beautiful as was a wrist virgin til I put it on.
Working on a video on a USSR built gold and black Sekonda alarm which is insanely clever in design with two crowns, one for time and wind, the other for the alarm set and alarm wind and when it gets to the alarm set time, it releases power into a little hammer inside the case that taps like a little cricket hence the nickname of "crickets" for these watches.
No annoying click springs. At least not those little tiny SS spring wires. Simple design, made to run and run and run and run. That used to be Seiko. Quality with good performance for a reasonable price. Today you pay 800€ for a 4R35 that has more power reserve and you call it 6R15 or 35, with plastic movement and friction fit dial.
Liking the march music theme. The waltzes were OK, too.
*_The cleaning portion with the machines, clock timer and music make me think I'm watching a short episode of Wallace & Grommit_*
Hi. Another informative video. Does not matter how long it is. Just keep making them. Thanks.
Love these vintage 6119 seiko 5 watches have quite a few myself👍
Bomb proof movements👍👍👍
Fun fact about the Detroit diesel it’s a 2 stroke diesel. It requires a supercharger to run the engine dosent pull vacuum like a normal 4 stroke that’s in about everything.
I love the cleaning machine sequences and your music selections! Please keep that as a regular feature of your videos. Thanks for sharing!!
Thank you! Will do!
hello Sr.
Grate video Sr
i have too seiko cal.6119-5460 watch
So i want to know Sr
it can be daily wearing
I love a good Sousa March!
Say, "Tracked Howitzer" or "155 mm Turreted Self-Propelled Howitzer"
very happy with the long video's keep them coming. Cheers
Maybe show the cleaning process every fifth video or something like that?!
Did a wonderful job- glad you straightened it all out ! And new gaskets all around ✔️👍🆗
Cool, a long range sniper like meself ^^ The artillery were always a bit funny about watches, at Woolwich the RSM hated quartz watches and he said we should have automatic mechanicals of a reasonable quality... the adjutant though thought mechanical watches were rubbish so insisted we all had ultra reliable quartz analogue watches so basically we had to do the best we could.. Woolwich was the largest parade ground outside Russia if memory serves me right and I royally pissed off the RSM somehow and I had to pick a billet mate's toothbrush not my own and sweep the parade ground with the toothbrush, he went abs beswick and I spent like 7 hours scrubbing away til I was told to turn it in.
didnt know you were a military man Ian. well done. Ive never fired a gun, well a shotgun a few times in clay pigeon shooting. cleaning with a toothbrush it just plain bullying.
Absolutely amazing story!! If Seiko would find out they should be proud about . Immersed in hot oil for many months still works!!!
Seiko never die! it was a fun project this one. I would recommend watching my Seiko Willard video if you enjoyed this one.
Great video, I just bought blue face 6119 on eBay. It keeps really good time and I like the fact that it's 50 years old, with a bit of light age related marks. I didn't have a clue how to set the date, so Googled it and found a helpful video. Your full length videos are just what is needed, for that extra detail.
Thanks, the 6119 movements are a favourite of mine.
الساعات اليبانية جميلة و متقنة، كما ان ثمنها متاح لمن يريد ان يقتني ساعة جيدة.
I like the cleaning interlude but maybe bring that ringer down a tad in volume. Another nice vid. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback. Will take note of the volume!
I enjoy the long video..Watching not so much making them..The worst part is definitely editing..So time consuming.
Pats Junk Drawer thanks. I agree as my editing skill are not great . Took 1.1/2 hours to shoot, 3 hours plus of editing and the encoding took 2 hours !
I probably said this before.... but technical videos (and this falls under that heading) are usually not viewed by people with the attention span of a sparrow....
I can't speak for all of us, but I for one like a long and complete video... and if it takes an hour... that's fine.
If it take longer...fine too.
So unless you start making videos for the "Squirrel!!!" - brigade .... don't worry about the length....
Paddy
Thanks for your support. Lots of animal references , Brilliant!
is it possible you service my seiko 5 if i am so far away. its from my grandmas watch and it was pass it on me.
Another great video and also informative😃👍
Please keep the videos as long as they are ..... it’s great. Nothing worse than big jump cuts leaving us wondering how you did that! By all means skip some of the screw tightening, but the rest is why we watch ... warts and all😜. Also leave the cleaning in too.
Quick question, do you find that the diashock springs, especially on the older movements have a “correct” way up? I sometimes find that if they are stubborn, flipping them over can make a difference. I presume that the spring gets “set” over time?
Keep up the great work and thank you for all of your effort👏
thanks for your feedback good to know you all like the length of these videos. As for diashocks yes the springs can fix in that bent position , flipping them over can give more pressure but they can also become allot harder to fit. You have to think like this watch in the video, its 50 years old and those springs have been out 3 times and then only for an hour at a time. so its a long time in one position.
Do you have a video where you're regulating the speed and correcting the beat?
I too love my Seiko watch I have owned as of 1976 a sport 100 with a gold face
to me it is like a Toyota beat the shit out of it and still keeps going Yes it still runs
but - 15 seconds a month .I guess its ok as I dont move any faster so it
keeps time with me.
Uh oh wait for the language warning
Hi Mike. I am not familiar with Seiko 5. Could you advise on the possible cause of a calendar pusher fault? When pushed the day tries to turn over but doesn't quite make it.
6119? Remove the stem and crown , clean all the debris from behind the crown , also around the case tube. Replace and it should work again.
I would testify that it should run in the mobile artillery unit because I broke my foot and was laid up for a week and only got up to do necessary stuff my movements were minimum and my skx was still ticking. I couldn’t believe it.
You done well. Sorry to hear about your foot.
I gave my father an automatic but he didn’t move enough to charge it. He now wears a quartz
Hi thank you for your videos, I really interested in one of your old digital watches, if you can help me please, many thanks again, Habib
I don't sell my watches sorry.
Can you restore my sieko vintage watch sir. Tnx
You could probably dispense with turning the screws, unless they directly impact the story, like missing screws, wrong screws or screws not tightened by a previous service.
Fair comment. In my more recent videos I am not filming them / editing them out.
Lovely story and an excellent video. Ken and I may have looked at each other from the opposite sides of that wall. Glad his old watch is still in good shape and hope he keeps enjoying it. My Ракета is still keeping good time too and so does my father's Poljot. Good luck and wishing you the best of health. Formerly of the 40th motor rifle regiment.
I have informed Ken of your comment here. amazing to think that you may have been on different sides. Glad we all get along now. Thanks for watching.
Don't play yourself down as a hobbyist. There are plenty of completely useless, so called "professionals" in every industry.
Andrew Mawdsley appreciate this , thanks
Great video. I'm preparing to have a go at my late grandfather's 6119c (6003 case). It'll be my first ever service but it's the type of thing that would have made him proud, so I'm glad I found your videos.
Good luck. I started my tinkering on a 6119 ! great movement
Just to be really annoying, if it's retained by one screw, it's a cock. Two or more screws,then it's a bridge.😜
Is that actually a true fact? I’ve never heard this. Seiko pallet cock / bridge is nearly always two screws but on most vintage Swiss its one screw.
I hate the cleaning part.it wakes the baby then my wife wants channel off.
you just mesure in a position??? not good.
You need to clean tha dial ihas a giant STAIN
No I don’t but off video.
Stains when under the lacquer you can’t remove at risk of damaging the dial. Bare in mind this was not my watch and history of being in an engine for a year.
I would have enjoyed seeing how you regulated that beat error
Just saw this….I like the length of the videos you create. The stories and content are fascinating!
Thank you very much!
I also want an original Seiko, not as much Chinese as it costs
I worked on the M109 and M110 howitzers for 8 years in the USMC. Always kept my watch in the pocket of my coveralls when doing maintenance, especially on the battery banks, not only because you could lose it but you could end up with the “shock of your life” as well.
I’m not sure why the musical interlude cracked me up so much. 😂 ⌚️
For a bit of fun. I still do the cleaning montage in some videos to separate the disassembly from assembly
P.S., champagne dials seem pretty 😍 popular amongst these watches. That was revealed after pulling the ugly crystal off. It was hiding 🙈 the beauty of the dial. Your friend, Jeff.
I love objects with an interesting history & spending 9 months in the sump of an artillery piece's V12 engine is certainly one of the more unique stories I've heard! Not only did I learn new things about a Seiko but you propelled me down a mini internet rabbit-hole discovering the differences between tanks & self-propelled artillery as well.... so thank you! 👍 And I'm ridiculously late, but I love the musical interludes & also that fabulous industrial timer you're using to time the wash cycles ⏲👍
More than happy with >1hr videos.
Hi again, thank you for getting back to me. I have a Seiko [5] 7S26C and its about 2 years old I bought it brand new, when I take it off and lay it down flat after about 5 mins it stops is this common with this watch. Thank you. Andy.
“THUMBS UP” for the timepiece cleaning videos…👍🏽 From Bellflower, California U.S.A. 👋🏽
The design looks a bit a Banjo...............like it !
In the 1980s I had a seiko watch that I bought at Camdem Market as I worked at the underground station . The watch came off my wrist and got caught in a escalator . It landed up in machine room , Glass scratched to hell but the watch was still working
Hi.
It's nice coincidence, because today is Polish Army day!
We had small masked-parade and jets over Warsaw..
I wish You lived nearby and could repair my seiko and all russian watches too to be that precise.
All best
That's why I love mechanical watches over smartwatches..they can pass to generation's, to your kids, friends and still works, nice job sir (excuse my bad English) :)
Thank you. For my part, the video was not too long, and the trials and tribulations of lost screws and pieces flying off make you more human, and less of an automaton! I would have liked to see the construction of the automatic works displayed, but maybe next time. And that cleaner timer certainly looks full of character!
Like your videos cause they give me confidence to service my own wathes. I just finished service my Seiko Seahorse and i find that you dont have to remove the click spring to get the barrel out. just slide it out to the center. I would love to see you do some more early Citizen movement. Dont see them that often beeing serviced and they are lovely made movements.
Oddly enough i don't mind the length at all, but for sure you've Gotta keep the cleaning cycle and my beloved timing clock it so makes me smile,and great job as well by the way fantastic results👍.
Hi Mike. Can you advise where I can obtain seiko service guides (if there is such a thing)
I have a page on my site myretrowatches.co.uk in the reference page.
You can also just Google the movement number prefix with service manual. Eg, Seiko 6106 service manual
@@MyRetroWatches Thanks Mike. Your page is a goldmine! 😀
Long videos 👍👍👍👍 yes please.
Another great video. Thank-you for doing a balanced appraisal of these watches. I have bought a few in the past and agree in the grand scheme of things they have their place.
I have a 6119 with what appears to be the same hands as this one you worked on. I love the design of those hands.
I Really enjoy your site!
How do you change the day language on this movement?
You have to press in the crown. Press in to change date, press harder for day. That is as long as it’s a 6119C movement . If it’s an A or B you cannot quickset the day wheel.
If it’s a 6119c and will not work the chances are there is too much crap built up behind the crown for it to travel far enough to change the day.
Great Seiko, great story. You should do more videos with a story. Thanks and best regards!!
Was this the Watch from Pulp Fiction!?
haha, "he hid this watch up his...."
Super Off Topic: But does anyone know how to open a Seiko Lord Matic 5606-5160? I'm scared to ruin it by just prying it open
Alex Biro if you remove the bracelet you should see on one end two square holes. Push inside with something and put some slight pressure on the crystal. Once you have done both you will see it try’s to open.
You will get the hang of it from there
@@MyRetroWatches oh sorry. I might have worded it wrong. That part i have done. Meant getting in to the movement itself. I do see a small screw if i lift the dial a bit. Thinking i might need to remove hands, then unscrew and perhaps lift of the dial an then find a way to remove the stem? Tried to find videos for thi perticular movement and case but cannot find. Only round case 5606s. But this square one is gorgeous, found it at a bargain as well.
Alex Biro I’ve not got your watch model to compare but usually with these types of Seiko you are looking for a small hole by the dial at 2-3 o’clock. The gasket might be covering it . In the hole you can poke tweezers in it and push down on a little leaver that’s allows them stem to be pulled out this then allows the watch to come out of the bottom part of the case.
@@MyRetroWatches Thank you! Took out the movement now just before going to work. The movement looked to be in brand spanking new condition. Not a single service mark. Huge surprise considering the case itself was full of dirt/sand, sweat and old skin probably. The isolation on this case must be amazingly well made. Can't wait to get off work and start tinkering.
You should make a vid or two on LM, KS or GS since there aren't many out there. I do understand though that they are less common and more costly than the movement you usually work on and might be harder to find replacement parts.
Huge fan of your work! Thanks for taking your time to reply!
Nice rebuild. Great story of it's loss for awhile. Good vid. Keep at it!
Good work, I enjoy it
I have no problem with the length of the video. Great entertainment goes with the excellent information!
like the music. yes it's a bit loud, but that's what my volume control is for :)
Very good . Stay well .
Yes! I do enjoy the current way the production is done; personally find it very helpful.
Great video as always, and a truly amazing story! Now I have to find a Seiko 5.
You don't have to apologize for everything you do, and I like the musical interlude during cleaning; you mix it up with everything from Classical to Bluegrass. Please continue. Music all through the video during narration, yes, that would be annoying for a channel like this, but not for a few minutes of intercession.
For those of us with IQs larger than our show size, please continue whatever length video they turn out to be. If it's three hours, no problem, if it's instructive and fun (as your videos always are). For those in the viewing audience with the attention span of a month old kitten, they can go to TikTok and get their watch making instruction.
thank you for your comment. I will stop apologising for sure! music is now only in certain parts of my videos where appropriate.
Great work Master!!!
I watched this just a little over a year ago. At first, I thought 💭 this was a watch that got ran over by a tank. I was totally wrong 😑. It means that this watch survived being somewhere inside the tank, hence the name, the watch also being built like a tank. By what I remember, the watch had been there for quite awhile. Both while the tank was being used, and during disuse. The watch appears to be in great shape, and all it needs is a good 😊 cleaning and oiling. Your friend, Jeff.
yes Jeffrey this watch was essentially in the engine sump for 10-12 months! amazing really and had it not been a new watch at the time I doubt it would have survived. The new gaskets were likely to have saved it.
26/9/91 it says, so 1991. If I remember right.. probably done in Germany..
Thanks. Are you on a mission to watch every one of my videos!?!
@@MyRetroWatches twice :)
@@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands thank you so much!!
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Interesting bit of history on this watch and actually pretty amazing it survived the ordeal. Nice job.
Good job on a very nice watch, I have the blue version of it, that you can see here: wristsushi.proboards.com/post/236653
I've got one tip and one question for you.
The tip is useful for the dial feet screws and the click screw: I start to screw those while I'm still holding them with the tweezers, there's no need to strugle trying to make them stay on their hole by themselves. That works fine for me at least.
And the question: on the barrel, why do you use molykote (DX I assume) on the plate side and D5 on the brige side and not the same thing on both sides? So far I'm using HP1300 but I'm considering buying some molykote too.
nice watch and at least you now know its indestructible! good tip on the screws, if I am really stuck with dial screws I have used a pin vice to hold and screw them in. as for the grease its a good question, I dont know why really just feel that the mainplate arbour is susceptible to more wear , they go oval over time so my theory is to grease them well to keep that friction down to a minimum. molykote is cheap and is like a tube of toothpaste.
The Bridge over the River Kwai...very British...love the music and the montage! Next, you should do Rule Britannia! and we can all salute the Queen!
I wanted to use land of hope and glory at the end but the totality fee to use it was far to much for 30 seconds..
thanks for watching
KEEP IT!!!
Great video... 👍👏👏👍
Sun, 16 Aug 2020 ...
KEEP HEALTHY... STAY SAFE!!! 😷😷😷
thank you and you too keep safe.
Hi Mike, really enjoyed the vid. I like the quick wash insert, the length of the vids, for me, isn't an issue as you keep the viewers attention and that hour goes in the blink of an eye. Look forward to the next video, stay safe.👍⌚🙂
Thank you for your feedback Jeni great to know this. hope you are well and your watch repair is going well.
Working on one of these myself at the moment. Bought it as a parts donor watch in case my dad's 6119-6050 ever needs something replaced movement wise. It is running and keeping time so I decided to service it and freshen it up a bit in the meantime.
The 6119 was the first movement I ever worked on so have a fondness for it. Seiko make them so robust. Thanks for watching.
Nice watch
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Great job. I had that watch at one time, may have been the most comfortable watch I ever had,
last time i was this early
it was still stone age
amazing watch i have similar one
a very very comfortable and durable piece
That’s a crazy thing to happen!! Thanks for the story!