I built a Kinesis Ti GranFondo Disc this year. It is extremely similar to the Tripster. I can tell you that pictures do not do justice to a raw Ti finish. It is absolutely gorgeous! Plus, it's a super comfortable distance bike. The tuned stays and carbon fork are very forgiving and the geometry makes it easy to set up for a fairly upright riding position. It does feel a tad heavy after I've been riding my 7 kg carbon frame around for a week or two, but after a couple rides, the Ti frame feels light enough - it's still a very light bike after all. I'm looking forward to putting paniers on and taking it bike camping this season.
I know that it'll get poo-pooed by many as being an off-brand mass-produced Chinese knockoff, but I love my Habanero Ti road bike that I built up myself 20 years ago and rides just as well today as it did back then. I'm not qualified to weigh in on its quality in any technical sense, but it shows absolutely no signs of degradation or wear, the welds look no different or less good than name brand Ti frames, it has that magical springy feel and just a bit of bottom bracket softness that some people like and some don't (I still haven't decided but it's only on steeper climbs that it manifests itself), and looks great (if you can get past the admittedly somewhat loud decals that I haven't had the heart to remove). Knock it if you've seem some, are technically qualified to do so and really do think that it's sub-par. Just don't knock it because it's made in China in some factory which few if any of you have ever seen. They make high-end things in China and they make cheap crap in China, as is the case anywhere. Just because more of the latter makes it abroad doesn't mean that there don't also make and export the good stuff too, and I think that this is that. Traditional lines, too, before everyone started angling the top tube towards the rear axle. If I could afford it and had the space I'd also get a high-end steel and carbon bike as I'm sure they have their advantages, but since I don't I'll stick with my Habby.
Lynskey! My R360 and GR Pro. Buttery smooth and snappy...oh and Built by hand! Carbon has its place, but let’s face it, it’s soulless and it signs you up for the rat race of the next gimmick or gadget. My ‘91 lightspeed with campy chorus is still mechanically sound and fun to ride. That, after all is why most of us ride!
I’m so glad that your review includes some rim brake bikes. I’ve been riding bikes for over 60 years and although I do own a disk brake Bianchi mountain bike, I simply do not feel safe riding a fast road bike with disk brakes. I think they’re nowhere near as safe as rim brakes, definitely heavier and lots more maintenance required. Even the professionals aren’t overly keen on disk brakes but they’re having to ride bikes their sponsors provide.
Nice wheels on that J.Laverack. I've got the Aerolites and I gotta say, I dig 'em. Also, it's funny, but the town where I grew up had a Ti builder, Holland Cycles, and then I moved to Santa Cruz for college, and we've got a frame builder too, Caletti Cycles. And he's within a quarter mile of Ibis in one direction and Santa Cruz on the other. What a place.
Lynskey and Litespeed are the true masters at this business. Never understood the hype about Moots. You just have to look at the complex tube geometries, Lynskey and Litespeed are producing. They are unreached. Period.
I bought a Paradox with 12sp XX1 Eagle/Force Crank/Ultegra discs 8.48kg out of the box, Enigma now build it and its good, I live just on the edge of the Lake District where there are few flat roads, it climbs well. I've fitted Thorn 10 deg' flat track bars cut down to 45cm with their J bar-ends, which approximates being on the hoods, so I can tuck out of the wind. For the last 14 years I've only ridden Rohloff geared bikes (and motorcycles) so flat bars fall naturally to hand.
I think of custom frame builders building Ti frames, also including Davidson, Erickson and Ti Cycles exceeding the quality of the mass produced models covered.
I absolutely love my Litespeed Road bike. Titanium for me is the best and most durable ride. So smooth. Frame should last a lifetime. I have changed my rims, handlebars, Botton bracket, cassette, and installed ceramic pullies. My Dura Ace group is original. My bike is so smooth and fast I have a huge smile on my face every time I get on her. I have never needed customer service.
Yeah, we should have done because that's a much more catchy title 😉Is there a definitive list of the best? It's an opinion and everyone has a different opinion
Would love to see some reviews from some US companies like Lynskey (the Helix Pro or the Sportive), or No. 22 (the Great Divide), just about anything from Moots or Seven Cycles (sorry, I might have drooled over the Seven Cycles line).
We would love to be able to review all those brands but we simply haven't had them in for review so they can't make the list. Being based in the UK it's tough to get all the bikes we want from US brands
Yes, Seven cost a lot more because you're paying for reputation. I would still like to hear if the reality matched the reputation. I'm the most interested in my first two suggestions, Lynskey and No. 22.
No22 is cutting edge in comparison. T47 BB, thru axels, flat mounts, internal cables. And i think far sexier than anything in this list.....the dropouts, the bridge, the welds and graphics....talk about bike porn
My Merlin titanium is going to outlast me....In 1984 Dura ace was the new advance technology.. 6 speed,, wow,, It has 53-39 in front and 11-28 in back,,,,, I’ve seen technology advance like the campy 12 speed,,, but still the same gear ratios... 11-28 with now 12 gears....makes no sense... The best bike that you ride everyday,,,,, that my friend is the best bike,,,weather aluminium, steel, titanium ,,,, just go out and enjoy the ride,,, life....
Can you please review the No. 22 line of bikes? The great divide and Aurora are becoming known here in the states now (not sure in Eur.) I have a friend who just built a great divide and the bike frame looks solid. If you can please do a review of the bike, that would be awesome! Thanks! Just subscribed... love your channel 👍🏼
We can look into it but it could possibly fall into the too niche category, despite clearly being popular and on the up in the US but I'll speak to the people that make these decisions 💪
Surprisingly hardly anyone seems to test the Vaaru MPA. A smaller brand and perhaps less well publicised. Cyclist/Bikes Etc reviewed it and gave it 9.2/10. 10 for frame and 9 for the others. It was marked down for weight, head tube height and non-tubeless tires but the weight is on a par with Kinesis GF Ti Disc and the others listed here. It's obviously slightly heavier than the non-disc brake variants but that's a given. The geometry is on a par with Mason's bikes and my bike is tubeless. It takes 32mm tires. There is a GTA which goes up to 38mm but is a little slacker. Mine is just under 9kg even with a SON deluxe dynamo hub and wide 38mm deep rims. Super comfortable and great for fast endurance rides but also happy over rough roads or racing with club riders. It's not pedestrian. I frequently head out for a 40-miler and sit at a 20mph average. I'll cruise at 25mph in the drops. It's no slouch.
It's simply a case of it being a smaller brand and we don't always have enough people to review every bike out there from all companies. Also, when we have covered some smaller brands there hasn't always been the interest from our readers
Spa Cycles Ti frames are brilliant! Also at half the price! I am sure these people think we have a limitless pot of funds. I love the Language of Advertisement! Is this a dressed-up feature?
Yes, titanium is beautiful, but in my opinion doesn't have a noticeably better ride. Saddles, tires, riding position and bike fit determine bike comfort.
We haven't had the Escape in for review but we did have the Evoke a few months ago and it scored 8/10 road.cc/content/review/229488-enigma-evoke-disc The escape might be a something we can get in to test 👍
Van Nicholas are gas , lots of beautiful refinement and little touch’s to drop outs and other bits . Then they lob cheap transfers on top of the beautiful frame that degrade very quickly .
Do carbon bikes with titanium joints (and vice versa) count? If so, put any of the Bastion Cycles and The Métier Velo & Festka' best in there. All much better bikes than any in the list. As for full titanium -frame bikes, the T-Lab X3 should be in the list: it's a titanium bike with a hydroformed top tube, internal cable routing and disc brakes. It's also compatible with wider tyres.
I'm sure those are all good bikes but we just haven't had our hands on them to review and I'm not entirely sure we will be getting any. One of our rules with these lists is that we try to only have bikes on there that we've had the chance to review and therefore vouch fore. Of your list we have had an Enigma Evoke and it scored really well 👍
Anyone experienced or own one? Spa Cycles Titanium Audax? I’m thinking about buy one since it cheaper Ti bicycle but I want k ow if they are very good? Comfortable? Worth buy? Or just go for Spa Cycles 725 Steel Audax? Hope to hear your reply and thank you for your time cheers
My teledyne titanium still holding strong,,,after some 25 years,,, my Merlin titanium is also great and yet you didn’t mentioned them..... The pioneers of titanium....
Enigma Excel Disc review please! Would be interesting because it’s 6AL 4V, which is stronger and stiffer than the 3AL 2.5V used for most other Ti bikes (inc. every bike in this video?) so can be made thinner and therefore lighter.
08:32 - Not quite right my friend; titanium is NOT lighter than Aluminium, so many people quote this without knowing basic metallurgy or school-level chemistry. Cycle frames in Ti can be made lighter than Al due to Ti's super strength. Anyway it doesn't corrode like steel (even 'stainless), aluminium or even carbon fibre (galvanic) or fail catastrophically, so WE LOVE Ti :)
Was a little apprehensive when buying this with the few negative reviews on here, but this was exactly the kind of bike I was looking for. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv I plan to ride it on paved roadways and trails, and wanted a "Grocery Getter" so to speak. After receiving it (without any damage), I had it out of the box, and fully assembled in about 30 minutes. I did not have to look at the manual, and I'm glad because I did look at it after I got it together, and it looks like it's a manual for several different styles. I did have to adjust the breaks and gear shifters, but that's been my experience with every bike I've owned. There was one review in particular that made me nervous, saying it was not meant for someone 6'4", it was too short. Well I'm 6'5" (230lbs) with a 36" inseam, and can tell you this bike fits perfectly, granted the seat is in it's highest safe position. I've only had it for 3 days so far, and if things change I will update my review, but I put 26 miles on it so far, and it rides like a dream. Very comfortable seating position. The front suspension is good for the occasional rock or bump you hit on asphalt, but this bike is not made to be taken off road, and I'm OK with that. I was particularly happy to see the wheels were trued perfectly. I was expecting to have to take them in and have them trued at a local bike shop, as I've had to do with all my past bike purchases, but in this case they were already in great shape. For the money, this is an awesome bike.
Titanium is supposed to be a bike for life, yet very few manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty (Kinesis only 3 years, not much confidence in their product?). I’ve had three titanium bikes crack, reckon you have to spend A LOT to guarantee decent manufacturing processes.
Tomas Jenkins I had a GF_Ti crack in less than a year! Mine went around the cable feed on the down tube. Also had a Van Nicholas and a Forti crack. Have two lifetime warranty Cervelos now.
Google "Titanium bike lifetime warranty". First page shows over 20 different manufacturers. I didn't bother to look at the second page. Chances are you bought those Ti frames from a manufacturer who had no idea how to weld Ti. If you don't use inert gas like argon to keep air from reaching the Ti when hot, it will absorb oxygen and nitrogen and become brittle. I am surprised a bit by Kinesis's short warranty. It's not a Ti specific warranty, though. That's for all their bikes. But they do work their Ti tubing cold, which would strongly suggest they understand the problems with hot Ti.
Christopher Cornette I think there’s also an issue that some do not temper their frames. Some of the ‘lifetime’ warranties are limited lifetime warranties and when you read the small print are only 10 years too!
Maybe it's an Australian thing, but you can't have a titanium review without Curve bikes. They are the gold standard and have a very big cult following.
Yes, you can paint titanium (we don't think you need any special paint or whatever) people tend not to paint the frame because titanium doesn't rust so it keeps that cool looking finish
I've been lucky enough to own two Merlins (including a Cyrene), a Lynskey R330 and a Van Nicholas. All very good Ti bikes. I currently have a Moots Vamoots RSL on Super Record 12, a Storck Aernario on ETAP HRD, and a Cannondale SuperX SE Force as my main bikes. So all are on similar standard gruppo and components. The Storck is an outstanding racing bike and the SuperX is an amazing all-round bike. It can do 75% of what a MTB trail bike can do and has 95% of the speed of the Storck. If I was limited to one bike it would be the Cannondale even though the first frame failed and the UK distributor is awful to deal with. Because of that I can see a Moots Routt or a Seven Evergreen in my future. But the bike that gives me a rush of anticipation when I pump the tires is the Moots. It's special. It just is.
The Snowdon Paradox is now built by Enigma, I bought one speced 1x12 XX1 eagle/force crankset and ultegra discs, I fitted 44cm flats with long horizontal bar-ends, the original bars are way too wide, its still called Snowdon Paradox and its great, Enigma will custom build to customers choice.
You could try this road.cc/content/review/242815-first-ride-review-reilly-t640 which is a 6/4 or this buyers guide that has a few 6/4 frames in road.cc/content/feature/213004-terrific-titanium-14-loveliest-titanium-road-bikes-weve-ridden
I cannot believe you would advertise for Van Nicholas. Their entry level frames are built in China, hairline cracks in weld apparent from inadequate gas shielding. They tried to cover it up with heavy polishing. I rejected the frame on arrival, and have to pay expensive freight costs (both ways). Do not even try your chance. If you are ever going to buy a titanium with inferior welding, you might as well go for steel.
We have reviewed Moots bikes, in fact we had one in very recently road.cc/content/review/moots-vamoots-disc-rsl-frame-and-fork-277579 , When this list was being made though we hadn't had a Moots in for while so didn't have it on the list
I agree Moots should have definitely been on the list along with litespeed. They have been in the game for a long time and make great bikes
I’ve had 20 Ti bikes.
I’ve cycled across USA 4x
China. India. Europe. Aussie.
SEVEN is my fav.
I built a Kinesis Ti GranFondo Disc this year. It is extremely similar to the Tripster. I can tell you that pictures do not do justice to a raw Ti finish. It is absolutely gorgeous! Plus, it's a super comfortable distance bike. The tuned stays and carbon fork are very forgiving and the geometry makes it easy to set up for a fairly upright riding position. It does feel a tad heavy after I've been riding my 7 kg carbon frame around for a week or two, but after a couple rides, the Ti frame feels light enough - it's still a very light bike after all. I'm looking forward to putting paniers on and taking it bike camping this season.
I know that it'll get poo-pooed by many as being an off-brand mass-produced Chinese knockoff, but I love my Habanero Ti road bike that I built up myself 20 years ago and rides just as well today as it did back then. I'm not qualified to weigh in on its quality in any technical sense, but it shows absolutely no signs of degradation or wear, the welds look no different or less good than name brand Ti frames, it has that magical springy feel and just a bit of bottom bracket softness that some people like and some don't (I still haven't decided but it's only on steeper climbs that it manifests itself), and looks great (if you can get past the admittedly somewhat loud decals that I haven't had the heart to remove).
Knock it if you've seem some, are technically qualified to do so and really do think that it's sub-par. Just don't knock it because it's made in China in some factory which few if any of you have ever seen. They make high-end things in China and they make cheap crap in China, as is the case anywhere. Just because more of the latter makes it abroad doesn't mean that there don't also make and export the good stuff too, and I think that this is that. Traditional lines, too, before everyone started angling the top tube towards the rear axle. If I could afford it and had the space I'd also get a high-end steel and carbon bike as I'm sure they have their advantages, but since I don't I'll stick with my Habby.
Lynskey! My R360 and GR Pro. Buttery smooth and snappy...oh and Built by hand! Carbon has its place, but let’s face it, it’s soulless and it signs you up for the rat race of the next gimmick or gadget. My ‘91 lightspeed with campy chorus is still mechanically sound and fun to ride. That, after all is why most of us ride!
Got a titanium Marinoni sportive this year. Best purchase of my life.
I realize I'm kinda randomly asking but do anyone know a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
@Alberto Daniel Try FlixZone. Just search on google for it :)
@Misael Jaime Yea, have been using FlixZone for since april myself :)
@Misael Jaime Thanks, I went there and it seems to work =) I appreciate it !
@Alberto Daniel happy to help xD
I’m so glad that your review includes some rim brake bikes. I’ve been riding bikes for over 60 years and although I do own a disk brake Bianchi mountain bike, I simply do not feel safe riding a fast road bike with disk brakes. I think they’re nowhere near as safe as rim brakes, definitely heavier and lots more maintenance required. Even the professionals aren’t overly keen on disk brakes but they’re having to ride bikes their sponsors provide.
SEVEN Axiom has been my ride since 2007. It’s still a dream to ride.
Because the frames don’t fatigue
Nice wheels on that J.Laverack. I've got the Aerolites and I gotta say, I dig 'em.
Also, it's funny, but the town where I grew up had a Ti builder, Holland Cycles, and then I moved to Santa Cruz for college, and we've got a frame builder too, Caletti Cycles. And he's within a quarter mile of Ibis in one direction and Santa Cruz on the other. What a place.
Santa Cruz are made in China ?
I use to live in SC.
I use to ride over Mt. Charlie onto hwy 17 to SF and back in 12hrs
Fortunate you guys , you have a brilliant frame builders in U.K. Hundreds of them .
🇪🇸🇬🇧
Yeah, there are loads of "smaller" brands here making great bikes
Moots? Lynskey? Litespeed?
I think those three are a given that everyone knows !
They were the legend
Lynskey and Litespeed are the true masters at this business. Never understood the hype about Moots.
You just have to look at the complex tube geometries, Lynskey and Litespeed are producing. They are unreached. Period.
Would like you to review some of the titanium frames from Planet X bikes ...
I bought a Paradox with 12sp XX1 Eagle/Force Crank/Ultegra discs 8.48kg out of the box, Enigma now build it and its good, I live just on the edge of the Lake District where there are few flat roads, it climbs well. I've fitted Thorn 10 deg' flat track bars cut down to 45cm with their J bar-ends, which approximates being on the hoods, so I can tuck out of the wind. For the last 14 years I've only ridden Rohloff geared bikes (and motorcycles) so flat bars fall naturally to hand.
I think of custom frame builders building Ti frames, also including Davidson, Erickson and Ti Cycles exceeding the quality of the mass produced models covered.
The Serotta Legend is a work of art.
I absolutely agree Moots and Litespeed. I have a Litespeed and absolutely love it. I will someday own a Moots Disk RSL. Bike Porn.
Thinking about getting a Litespeed Ultimate rim brake version. You’re satisfied with the quality and customer service, etc.?
I absolutely love my Litespeed Road bike. Titanium for me is the best and most durable ride. So smooth. Frame should last a lifetime. I have changed my rims, handlebars, Botton bracket, cassette, and installed ceramic pullies. My Dura Ace group is original. My bike is so smooth and fast I have a huge smile on my face every time I get on her. I have never needed customer service.
Have you done any more recent reviews of the Ribble endurance Ti disc and the planetx Hurricane and Spitfire bikes?
Well, you should title the video “Best Titanium bikes we have gotten our hands on” not Best Titanium Bikes”
“based out of the UK “
Yeah, we should have done because that's a much more catchy title 😉Is there a definitive list of the best? It's an opinion and everyone has a different opinion
How could you miss Mosaic Cycles, Baum Cycles, No.22, Firefly, Moots, Curve Cycles, Stinner Frameworks? They make the best Ti frames.
Need to look at marks(reilly) stuff..phenominal
Ive had 3 ti and 1 carbon from him..epjc stuff
can you read?
and enigma
Would love to see some reviews from some US companies like Lynskey (the Helix Pro or the Sportive), or No. 22 (the Great Divide), just about anything from Moots or Seven Cycles (sorry, I might have drooled over the Seven Cycles line).
Should also do a review of San Diego based Holland Cycle's Titanium bike and their gorgeous ExoGrid which is a Carbon Titanium Masterpiece.
We would love to be able to review all those brands but we simply haven't had them in for review so they can't make the list. Being based in the UK it's tough to get all the bikes we want from US brands
But Moots and Seven are so obscenely Overpriced!
Yes, Seven cost a lot more because you're paying for reputation. I would still like to hear if the reality matched the reputation. I'm the most interested in my first two suggestions, Lynskey and No. 22.
I would add the Why Cycles R+1
For next batch of reviews consider Moots and No 22
No22 is cutting edge in comparison. T47 BB, thru axels, flat mounts, internal cables. And i think far sexier than anything in this list.....the dropouts, the bridge, the welds and graphics....talk about bike porn
Moots would make for a good review.
My Merlin titanium is going to outlast me....In 1984 Dura ace was the new advance technology.. 6 speed,, wow,, It has 53-39 in front and 11-28 in back,,,,, I’ve seen technology advance like the campy 12 speed,,, but still the same gear ratios... 11-28 with now 12 gears....makes no sense...
The best bike that you ride everyday,,,,, that my friend is the best bike,,,weather aluminium, steel, titanium ,,,, just go out and enjoy the ride,,, life....
The R J,ACK is bike porn.
Can you please review the No. 22 line of bikes? The great divide and Aurora are becoming known here in the states now (not sure in Eur.) I have a friend who just built a great divide and the bike frame looks solid. If you can please do a review of the bike, that would be awesome! Thanks!
Just subscribed... love your channel 👍🏼
We can look into it but it could possibly fall into the too niche category, despite clearly being popular and on the up in the US but I'll speak to the people that make these decisions 💪
Richie Moore, formerly of Litespeed, late of Lynskey, takes what he learned from them and makes some of the most beautiful ti frames.
Titanium is really nice but I’d opt for Columbus XCR or Reynolds 953 stainless steel road frame set
Surprisingly hardly anyone seems to test the Vaaru MPA. A smaller brand and perhaps less well publicised. Cyclist/Bikes Etc reviewed it and gave it 9.2/10. 10 for frame and 9 for the others. It was marked down for weight, head tube height and non-tubeless tires but the weight is on a par with Kinesis GF Ti Disc and the others listed here. It's obviously slightly heavier than the non-disc brake variants but that's a given. The geometry is on a par with Mason's bikes and my bike is tubeless. It takes 32mm tires. There is a GTA which goes up to 38mm but is a little slacker. Mine is just under 9kg even with a SON deluxe dynamo hub and wide 38mm deep rims. Super comfortable and great for fast endurance rides but also happy over rough roads or racing with club riders. It's not pedestrian. I frequently head out for a 40-miler and sit at a 20mph average. I'll cruise at 25mph in the drops. It's no slouch.
It's simply a case of it being a smaller brand and we don't always have enough people to review every bike out there from all companies. Also, when we have covered some smaller brands there hasn't always been the interest from our readers
I'm 18, just built a di2 dura ace ti eddy merckx. Yip, I'm broke. The bike rides so well though.
Im waiting for this so much. Thanks
Litespeed?
Have a Merlin magia titanium... best bike frame I ever had ....
Spa Cycles Ti frames are brilliant! Also at half the price! I am sure these people think we have a limitless pot of funds. I love the Language of Advertisement! Is this a dressed-up feature?
I just like the look of raw metal frame and mixed with carbon components I would love aluminum frames to get this treatment
My Baum Corretto is really worth a review!
The enigma echo and its beautiful tapered down tube
Vaaru , Triton , T Red have some really nice road titanium bikes
Yes, titanium is beautiful, but in my opinion doesn't have a noticeably better ride. Saddles, tires, riding position and bike fit determine bike comfort.
No moots? Lunskey?
I crave a titanium bike! They look beautiful.
Moots Routt Rsl or No. 22 Great Divide?
What about Dolan? British bike too.
RIP Serotta
darrelstickler The greatest of them all. Serotta Competition Bicycles.
Has anyone mentioned Passoni yet?
Just waiting for my new r jack disc to arrive .
In my opinion it's going to be the perfect bike. !! 😀
Enjoy! We certainly loved it when we had it in for review 😀
I have got it and it's total awesome!!
I'd like a review of the Enigma Escape
We haven't had the Escape in for review but we did have the Evoke a few months ago and it scored 8/10 road.cc/content/review/229488-enigma-evoke-disc The escape might be a something we can get in to test 👍
That would be cool. Looks like a really impressive gravel bike from their commercial but I haven't seen much else about it.
„Falkenjagd“ from Germany!
How about the TOMMASINI “ MACH “ absolutely stunning !
I just really want a ti bike with Ekar... I'm approaching companies like "take mah money!" And they're all like "nahhhh".
Try falkenjagd . Ti & Campy-fixed.
Passoni? and Festka?
Van Nicholas are gas , lots of beautiful refinement and little touch’s to drop outs and other bits . Then they lob cheap transfers on top of the beautiful frame that degrade very quickly .
I think you missed Lightspeed usa & Lynsky shame.
RONDO BIKES RULES!
i love titan bike. 자전거 캠핑하는 사람입니다. 영상 잘보고 갑니다.
wow no Moots, Enigma, Litespeed, Why Cycles ?? you left quite a few brands out for the milkman mate.
there are more than six brands making titanium bikes, so not all of them can feature in a six of the best? who knew?
Do carbon bikes with titanium joints (and vice versa) count?
If so, put any of the Bastion Cycles and The Métier Velo & Festka' best in there. All much better bikes than any in the list.
As for full titanium -frame bikes, the T-Lab X3 should be in the list: it's a titanium bike with a hydroformed top tube, internal cable routing and disc brakes. It's also compatible with wider tyres.
Passoni mentioned but not shown? Feska? Baum? Demon Frameworks, Moots, Enigma, Lynsky should make the list
agreed, many consider moots to be the ti standard. therefore, they atleast deserve a mention
What about Firefly?
Light speed
I'm sure those are all good bikes but we just haven't had our hands on them to review and I'm not entirely sure we will be getting any. One of our rules with these lists is that we try to only have bikes on there that we've had the chance to review and therefore vouch fore. Of your list we have had an Enigma Evoke and it scored really well 👍
Anyone experienced or own one? Spa Cycles Titanium Audax? I’m thinking about buy one since it cheaper Ti bicycle but I want k ow if they are very good? Comfortable? Worth buy? Or just go for Spa Cycles 725 Steel Audax? Hope to hear your reply and thank you for your time cheers
My teledyne titanium still holding strong,,,after some 25 years,,, my Merlin titanium is also great and yet you didn’t mentioned them.....
The pioneers of titanium....
Nice & Thanks :)
What about Fairdale Spaceship?
None of these bikes would make a serious top 15 best ti bikes.
Moots?
The bottle cages on the J Laverack are super! Alchemy is the ride for me.
Where is Lynskey?
It's just a bike brand we haven't tested so can't vouch for, well not since 2012 have we had one of their bikes in for review
Please review the Litespeed Archon Ti. With a 6/4 hydro-formed top tube the Archon Ti is actually as stiff as some carbon frames.
We have just got delivery of a Litespeed but it's the Cherohala SE, keep an eye out for that soon
Whats the point of a seatpost with lots of setback when your saddle is moved as far forward as possible?
Enigma Excel Disc review please! Would be interesting because it’s 6AL 4V, which is stronger and stiffer than the 3AL 2.5V used for most other Ti bikes (inc. every bike in this video?) so can be made thinner and therefore lighter.
I'll see what I can do 👍 well spotted, I think you're right in saying all the bikes in this vid are 3AL 2.5V
unfortunately.....MERLIN XLM Titanium not in the list
08:32 - Not quite right my friend; titanium is NOT lighter than Aluminium, so many people quote this without knowing basic metallurgy or school-level chemistry. Cycle frames in Ti can be made lighter than Al due to Ti's super strength. Anyway it doesn't corrode like steel (even 'stainless), aluminium or even carbon fibre (galvanic) or fail catastrophically, so WE LOVE Ti :)
The best of both worlds Bastion Cycles
Lightspeed gravel disc 2018/19
Por favor cuanto cuesta cada una de esta bicicletas.
Saludos desde orlando fl tierra de MIKYMAUS
Was a little apprehensive when buying this with the few negative reviews on here, but this was exactly the kind of bike I was looking for. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv I plan to ride it on paved roadways and trails, and wanted a "Grocery Getter" so to speak. After receiving it (without any damage), I had it out of the box, and fully assembled in about 30 minutes. I did not have to look at the manual, and I'm glad because I did look at it after I got it together, and it looks like it's a manual for several different styles. I did have to adjust the breaks and gear shifters, but that's been my experience with every bike I've owned. There was one review in particular that made me nervous, saying it was not meant for someone 6'4", it was too short. Well I'm 6'5" (230lbs) with a 36" inseam, and can tell you this bike fits perfectly, granted the seat is in it's highest safe position. I've only had it for 3 days so far, and if things change I will update my review, but I put 26 miles on it so far, and it rides like a dream. Very comfortable seating position. The front suspension is good for the occasional rock or bump you hit on asphalt, but this bike is not made to be taken off road, and I'm OK with that. I was particularly happy to see the wheels were trued perfectly. I was expecting to have to take them in and have them trued at a local bike shop, as I've had to do with all my past bike purchases, but in this case they were already in great shape. For the money, this is an awesome bike.
Titanium is supposed to be a bike for life, yet very few manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty (Kinesis only 3 years, not much confidence in their product?). I’ve had three titanium bikes crack, reckon you have to spend A LOT to guarantee decent manufacturing processes.
A Life in Lycra from what I’ve heard the warranty doesn’t take into account fatigue cracks which is pointless and a scam.
A Life in Lycra I had a Kinesis GF-TI crack at the BB just after 3 years riding!
Tomas Jenkins I had a GF_Ti crack in less than a year! Mine went around the cable feed on the down tube. Also had a Van Nicholas and a Forti crack. Have two lifetime warranty Cervelos now.
Google "Titanium bike lifetime warranty". First page shows over 20 different manufacturers. I didn't bother to look at the second page. Chances are you bought those Ti frames from a manufacturer who had no idea how to weld Ti. If you don't use inert gas like argon to keep air from reaching the Ti when hot, it will absorb oxygen and nitrogen and become brittle. I am surprised a bit by Kinesis's short warranty. It's not a Ti specific warranty, though. That's for all their bikes. But they do work their Ti tubing cold, which would strongly suggest they understand the problems with hot Ti.
Christopher Cornette I think there’s also an issue that some do not temper their frames. Some of the ‘lifetime’ warranties are limited lifetime warranties and when you read the small print are only 10 years too!
Maybe it's an Australian thing, but you can't have a titanium review without Curve bikes. They are the gold standard and have a very big cult following.
I'm not entirely sure we have had one in for review (or at least not in the previous year + that I have been working here)
You forget Seven Cycles. Serrota. Passoni. Navi. Tomassine. De Rosa. Merlin. Moot. Litespeed. Somec. And many more.
Seven often is left out. I love mine. Serrotta is dead.
I love my too. I have 2 seven
Marinoni piuma ti, nevi, selbel ti9, condor, firefly, Lynskey, moots, no22 ...
If there's no No22 bikes in a titanium list, this list is utter BS.
Can you paint over titanium? The finish looks cool but I would much rather have some bright colours on my bike to get me excited about every ride
Yes, you can paint titanium (we don't think you need any special paint or whatever) people tend not to paint the frame because titanium doesn't rust so it keeps that cool looking finish
You certainly can
We have just got a r jack disc and a fully painted black jack from j laverack.
Check out there Instagram for some awesome shots.
I've been lucky enough to own two Merlins (including a Cyrene), a Lynskey R330 and a Van Nicholas. All very good Ti bikes. I currently have a Moots Vamoots RSL on Super Record 12, a Storck Aernario on ETAP HRD, and a Cannondale SuperX SE Force as my main bikes. So all are on similar standard gruppo and components. The Storck is an outstanding racing bike and the SuperX is an amazing all-round bike. It can do 75% of what a MTB trail bike can do and has 95% of the speed of the Storck. If I was limited to one bike it would be the Cannondale even though the first frame failed and the UK distributor is awful to deal with. Because of that I can see a Moots Routt or a Seven Evergreen in my future.
But the bike that gives me a rush of anticipation when I pump the tires is the Moots. It's special. It just is.
how does titanium compare to carbon in weight and ride quality?
How much is a titanium bike in Philippine pesos?
More! Please.
Please review the Spa Elan disc. It’s cheaper than a lot of these bikes and ticks many of the same boxes!
I'll pass that on and see what people think 👍
No. 22 is the best
Where's an Enigma bike? Support British manufacturers. I love my Evade, a dream on tour of flanders.
The Snowdon Paradox is now built by Enigma, I bought one speced 1x12 XX1 eagle/force crankset and ultegra discs, I fitted 44cm flats with long horizontal bar-ends, the original bars are way too wide, its still called Snowdon Paradox and its great, Enigma will custom build to customers choice.
Any chance of reviewing a Hekla Helviti endurance to bike
I can put it forward and see what happens 👍
Need the Mason Bokeh Ti in there!
We've tested the aluminium framed Bokeh and liked it but we haven't had the titanium frame (that I can think of)
I am looking for a review on hard to find 6/4 titanium frames. Any feedback would help. TY
You could try this road.cc/content/review/242815-first-ride-review-reilly-t640 which is a 6/4 or this buyers guide that has a few 6/4 frames in road.cc/content/feature/213004-terrific-titanium-14-loveliest-titanium-road-bikes-weve-ridden
FIREFLY Ti frames
I cannot believe you would advertise for Van Nicholas. Their entry level frames are built in China, hairline cracks in weld apparent from inadequate gas shielding. They tried to cover it up with heavy polishing. I rejected the frame on arrival, and have to pay expensive freight costs (both ways). Do not even try your chance.
If you are ever going to buy a titanium with inferior welding, you might as well go for steel.
How can you talk about titanium bikes and not mention curve bikes??
They are made in China and the welding is pretty ordinary
the list is supposed to be "the Best", not just a list of titanium frames
Would like to hear your comments re Merlin ExtraLight TI.
Taxes would last forever
Really? Less vibration from a Ti frame?
have you reviewed Moots bikes?
We have reviewed Moots bikes, in fact we had one in very recently road.cc/content/review/moots-vamoots-disc-rsl-frame-and-fork-277579 , When this list was being made though we hadn't had a Moots in for while so didn't have it on the list
No price nor weights given ?
Who makes a titanium track frame?
Excellent quality and value
Where’s Lysnkey?
seventh?
How much do those paradox frames run?