Is Joe Biden right to be 'disgusted' by arrest warrant for Benjamin Netanyahu? | LBC debate
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- Iain Dale's Cross Question panel discuss the International Criminal Court’s request for multiple arrest warrants in the Israel-Gaza war.
Joe Biden has publicly condemned the ICC for including Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu in this group.
The Daily Express’ Christian Calgie agrees with Joe Biden's condemnation of the ICC for issuing an arrest warrant against Benjamin Netanyahu, calling it 'offensive nonsense.’
Calgie says: 'Comparing Netanyahu to the terrorists that perpetrated that horrific crime is totally wrong.'
Conservative MP Tom Hunt defends Christian Calgie’s comments, saying that the ICC drawing a parallel between Hamas and Netanyahu 'shocking beyond belief'.
This prompted a wider discussion as to whether the UK should leave the ICC.
Labour MP Dame Diana Johnson believes the ICC is 'an important cornerstone of the legal framework that, as a country, we respect and operate within'.
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Disgusting from LBC
History will remember!
Just unsubscribe
After watching this I am
Disgusted
We have free speech in the UK, mate. How is this 'disgusting', precisely?
I'll wait.
Just look into whom owns Global Player .
@@jacobcohen9205really ? Free speech in the UK ? You must be from the UK then .
I believe Israel has a right to remove Hamas from Gaza after what they did. Its not israels problem that Gazas/Palestines leader uses his own people as matrys to his ideology.
You are all justifying Gazan deaths and it is disgusting.
I don't see anyone celebrating.
Yet making excuses for it @@rosarose3443
@@rosarose3443 they can't celebrate, their beloved butcher Netanyahu is being charged as a war criminal!
@@hazaraudi7488The butchers of Gaza have run away to Turkey whilst their innocent children and babies suffer.
The ignorance on this panel is unbelievable 🤦♂️
Welcome to the wonderful world of the average British broadcast media.
Aren’t the Palestinians who are crying their eyes out with limited medical equipment and have very little hope tomorrow a strike wont take them and their family out each night are not vulnerable??
@@vampyre_with_a_suntan Yes absolutely spot on. Our media should Be scrapped and start again and ALL the media should be publicly owned. We deserve a media that speaks for us the public and not their mega rich paymasters and the corrupt government.
The ignorance of Palestinian civil society is unbelievable.
@@Soaayywe don’t care, they started it
Biden should also be arrested.
Lol be easy enough, just tell the old fella you're taking him for ice cream
This Christian should change his To somthiing else and find a dark room to think in .
@@philhahn😂😂😂😂😂
For what crime?
@@dmoiseyo8882 using his political position for private gain and taxing the American public to fund illegal wars.
WAR CRIMINALS must be held accountable. No exceptions‼️⛔️
from BOTH sides
@@edprince753yeah the applications are for hamas and bibi
Yes G . Agreed 👍
Why hasn't this guy brought charges against the Iranian, or Assad of Syria who even gassed dome of the half million deaths plus lost in that war?
@@jacobcohen9205 Iranian leader is dead keep up
Israel: we will starve civilians to death. Civilians: we are starving to death. Moderator: do you think Israel is targeting to civilians?
15000 innocent children 14000 innocent women 38000 Palestinians slaughtered is not nonsense.
Except the even the UN have now had to significantly reduce these numbers because they have been proven to be over-estimated.
@@enigmabletchley6936 even 1% of those figures would be unacceptable
@enigmabletchley6936 except they haven't, read it properly they said identified.. many bodies have been found and have not been identified .. plus the 35000 confirmed most of them identified that's not included the thousands under the rubble.. in fact it's more than 35000 if the ones under the rubble is counted..many un identified bodies were found in some of the mass graves
@@enigmabletchley6936 only truth matters, not media nonsense
@thebluemighty well do you know if hamas released the hostages and fled to Qatar their would be no civilian deaths
I love the monologue about how awful the ICC is followed by “I was in Israel in January where I visited the kibbutz” This trip almost certainly being an israeli sponsored propaganda trip
And Hamas leaders are also named.
@@alundavies1016i don't think the guest criticised the ICC for Hamas
@@TheAmrthe2nd I was referring to the fact that it was not a move against Netanyahu alone, but also against Hamas, but I could have phrased that better.
As an orthodox jew, I condemn the terrorist acts and war crimes of Israel. I support the creation of a free and independent Palestinian state. This will end all the violence. As Jews we need to accept that Israel is the occupying force and we need to do the right thing and give Palestinians their own independent state free from Israeli interferences. CRITCIZING ISRAEL ISN'T ANTISEMITISM!!! JUDAISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZIONISM !!!!
Word ! Brother us jews were never the problem . It's maddening that the Z's hijacked our culture and made us less safe. I've lots of muslim friends and I don't know a single jew ( in the UK ) that supports Israel. Despite the media propaganda.
Do you believe civilians have been targeted? Is lan Dale having a laugh 😅
Looool
Now icc is hamas
Looool
Same people that praised the icc 4 putin's arrest warrant
Looool
Deal with it
Looool
Absolutely the level of of hypocrisy is truly mind blowing.
@@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo it's crazy
Unreal levels of delusions and denial.
What’s looool mean
@@Man_fay_the_Bru lol
Laugh out Loud
As a US citizen since birth 50 plus years ago Joe can go eat
I think he already has - that caused his brain rot !
Trump for 2024.
@@bluestar6879 Donald can dine next to Joe, too.
@@bluestar6879 Donald can join Joe
Calling the occupation a democracy and calling the liberation movement a terrorist, tells you what world we are living in.
Dream on sympathiser
@willhampshire2415 justice may come slowly, but it comes. Time for the democratic Israhell to pay!!!
There was NO OCCUPATION of Gaza,
Israel left the place in 2005.
Duhh ?
@@bluestar6879 facts don't work on them. Look what they have done to Europe in the last 40 years, do this look like peaceful reasonable people?
@@willhampshire2415Sympathise? I support. Resistance is a right and a duty.
3:36 YES, Israel has been specifically targeting civilians--for years. Over and over and over.
Only hamas says that
@@MitchObriensindependent journalists say it, the UN says it, Human Rights Watch say it, even B’Tselem which is an Israeli human rights organisation say it among many other sources. There is lots of evidence on video even caught by ITV when it happened within the last few months. Try doing some basic research instead of parroting debunked talking points
@@MitchObriens or anybody that’s read a history book.
@@MitchObriens my eyes say it as have seen the vids for years of deliberate targeting of civilians and crying kids
@MitchObriens You mean people with eyes and a brain.
Isn’t disgusted what the Israelis have done to the Palestinian people before October 7th
Go help them there then🤫
100%
@@Man_fay_the_Bruisrael targets aid workers, bit hard to help if you are dead.
Some of the people on the panel is absolute disgrace.
Well… the chair and two of his guests certainly. The older guy and the lady seem vaguely switched on
There is no equivalence, Israel is so much worse.
What an idiotic idea, to leave the ICC because some people disagree with it accusing Netanyahu of war crimes. Perhaps be angrier at the person committing the war crimes than at those pointing them out!
When the lawyers and courts decide something is a crime and politicians agree, great.
same situation and the politicians disagree...oh no the courts are corrupt.
Mind you the ICC is incredibly competent and staffed by people that do seem incredibly dedicated to the ideals of neutrality and rule of law.
Yep it’s offensive if you’re a warmongering colonizer. If you don’t agree with this, your moral compass needs addressing.
Name one people who haven’t been that. Or are you just playing favourites?
You are of course talking about the Hamas leaders?
Sorry Bot. Your beloved YISRAHELL@@enigmabletchley6936
Yes, 7th century arabic colonists need to return to Arabia.
They have no business continuing to illegally squat in the Land of Israel.
@@TheSwerve222Switzerland, San Marino, Costa Rica, Iceland, Luxembourg, Sweden, Poland, Ethiopia, Nepal… just a few to be going along with
Before the war they blatantly said, no food, water, power, and fuel. They blatantly wanted to starve them.😒
No they didn't.
@@1Mutton1yes they did….
@@1Mutton1Hasbara
thats a bog standard tactic of war look up WWII for starters. why dont you ask questions of Egypt not opening their border to let in aid trucks and let people flee the war zone.
@@1Mutton1 they literally did so on television.
"I'm outraged that we can't get away with war crimes just because we're Israeli" Really???
I agree, we shouldn’t equate Hamas leaders with Israeli leaders, one has killed 1,139 innocent lives while the other has killed 35,000 innocent lives, surely the ones who killed more innocent people are more evil, if we value all innocent lives the same.
Well considering those numbers come from hmas🙄I’m not believing a word
The false equivalency is just amazing from these pro Palestinians people. The difference in casualties can be explained perfectly. Hamas/Palestine targets everyone regardless of nationality, race and gender on October 7 with tactics that are not very effective hence the lower total. Israel targets Hamas who use civilian population as an attempt to cover their actions which is just purely collateral.
Well they shouldn’t have started it with there heinous attack on CHILDREN etc🤫
You'll believe whatever your corporate masters tell you. The price of ignorance@@Man_fay_the_Bru
@@Man_fay_the_Bru same argument hamas uses for October 7th... "they attacked us first"...
we support the ICC when they go after our enemies but, not when they go after our friends. what hypocrisy.
Where did the ICC compare Netanyahu to Hamas? Feel free to quote the relevant passage.
lol, the media accusing the icc of being a bunch of shysters
ICC is 100% right, Natanyahu is an occupier
Likud Broadcasting Corporation, at it again
4:50 They are citing the evidence. No matter whether or not a state is democratic, that state can also be a terrorist state. Your cognitive dissonance is heavy, Tom.
I don't know how you can call Israel a democratic state
While Israel is oppressing other people how is that democracy 🤔 why I don't know about this kind of democracy
By its international law, an occupying state is entitled to resist the colonization of its territory
you mean occupied surely
@@edprince753 Oh yeah, because international law is like a stop sign, just a suggestion for us to ignore. and when some dude busts into your house and starts calling it his own, that's not occupation, that's just him trying to make friends. Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Who cares about the countless lives lost and cultures wiped out in the name of colonization? We can just twist the truth to fit our own story, who needs pesky things like logic and facts
@@edprince753how can you occupy somewhere without enacting a quasi colonisation?
@@minui8758 the defined warcrime is an occupying power moving their own population into occupied territory.
Which btw is the reason given by israel why they did not join the Rome Statute which establishes the ICC.
There should be a Warrant out for Biden's arrest as well.
"headteacher was burned alive in a house", yeah mate, that was more than likely a tank round or apache missile from the IDF
Notice how he uses the word "Jews" instead of "Israelis" when talking about their casualties.
Selective antisemitism.
The ICC didn't go far enough. Still waiting on Blair and Bush or maybe theirs is stuck in the post
you forgot Obama and all the other political leaders in all continents of the world.
Nothing's going to happen to any of those guys. If Bibi winds up in jail it'll be for the stuff he's being investigated for back home. International law was meant to be a tool for controlling weak and poor countries; the global powers made sure to shield themselves first. But it does expose their hypocrisy
Well it’s a start
The ICC did consider that. But they found that they cannot determine wether a war was started legally or not. same reason putin's warrant isn't for starting a war of aggression.
No he isn’t right while he is sitting in the comfort of the White House People is innocent being killed Caught between Netanyahu and Hamas
All the zios coping and seething makes me lol.
The law is the law
Not when it's not the law.
And Hamas can't do that it's not in their nature
@@elainespoetry180 I suspect you'd have the same reaction for the ANC in apartheid South Africa. Doubly so for the Black Panthers in the USA.
Baby fingers taken as souvenirs is a new one.
Utter BS 😩 It's disgustingly pathetic!
Nothing is beyond the pale for hams
@@Man_fay_the_Bru or IDF wearing bra and laughter at destruction no morals of IDF suppose to top army
@@Man_fay_the_Bru the stories Israhell can make up,almost unbelievable.
Netanyahu and his friends are quite mad!
And a danger to us ALL … not just Palestinians !!!
And bad
Psychopaths is the right word
This panel makes me wanna pull my hair out
2:30. Hunts complaint is that Israel is being held to a much higher standard than Hamas. I don’t think the penny has dropped for him has it? If Israel is the civilised democracy people say it is then it SHOULD be held to a higher standard than terrorists.
But Hamas are only terrorists in the minds of the corrupt western states. Ask any other country in the rest of the world and they say it’s a resistance movement fighting for the survival of its oppressed people. That’s a a fact NOBODY can deny.
Actually Israel atrocious behaviour began before October 7.
Tom hunt really knows how to make things up
What is wrong with holding people to account, irrespective of who they are?
This isn't about "comparisons" - it is a binary question on whether war crimes have been committed or not. The evidence is so overwhelming that even those who give Israel political cover to the point of absurdity (US State Dept. for one) can't bring themselves to definitively say "NO" and instead waffle around the question.
As for UK leaving as if it is somehow morally above the ICC - in any legal test of the Iraq invasion, Blair's conviction would be a formality.
Exactly - there was even mention of Israel’s actions in the West Bank (where’s the equivalency with Hamas there? There is no Hamas in the West Bank). Typical smoke and mirrors.
You fight fire with fire
💯 correct
Calgie and Hunt seem to think acts committed under the banner of democracy are subject to a different set of rules.
This does fit into a corporate mentality of no individual culpability which was borne from state exemptions.
A big window of accountability opens when state sanctioned actions can be prosecuted down to an individual level. It does happen, Milosevic, Sadam Hussein, and others have been held to account. It just doesn't happen very often.
It is why Biden is so against it.
A lot other countries are on conflict like that and so many others kids, women, etc etc are loosing life. Why you people are selective outrage and why the world is outrage only when Israel is involved? Where were you when Syrian, Yemen, Yazied Christian wete almost sterminete?
@@Jesusisking2pw3Because the US funds them….
Is Israel above the law?
I’m disgusted by Biden’s morally repulsive response to the verdict of an INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT !!!
Slavery and colonization wasn’t close to evil????
Are you serious 😮
@@desmondquailey6476 what seems to be unserious about my question? One of the panelists stated that he has never seen anything as evil as what Hamas has been doing… so I asked if colonization and slavery were not evil enough for him. So, again.. what seems to be unserious about my question?
@@yalibiND Ok my bad I thought you were trying to say slavery and colonization wasn't evil.
Tom Hunt and Christian Calgie look like the same person at different stages of dishevelment and decay.
I don't know why this hit my funny bone so hard, but thank you! I needed the laugh today.
Yes I enjoyed this comment very much 😂
Did bidens' remarks come before or after he fell asleep at the wheel 😂😂
As opposed to Trump who falls asleep in court.
He has more in his pinky than you in your head
Must manufacture consent must manufacture consent must manufacture consent
Dis is racism by d first speaker
It didnt start on OCT 7 .. Free Palestine!
How much money have you paid to tell the lies you are talking about? 😅😅😅the third speaker what ever his name was?
Go help out in Palestine then, they are your bros aren’t they😂🤫
@khalid
Usual lazy narrative
"War crimes in response to war crimes is not acceptible."
How Many More For It To Be Called A War Crime😮
It is the right call. Both leaders of Hamas and Israel need to be held accountable for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
It’s antisemitic to hold an Israeli accountable
I don't really understand what the problem is with this LBC and why also these host are so pro Israel. Is this reflecting the average citizien of the UK?
ICC is hamas uni student is hamas the world is all hamas ! Everyone is hamas don’t dare talk about Israel ! 40k innocent civilians murdered don’t u dare talk about them or u are hamas !
I respect international law unless it concerns me.
You just cant compare the two... israel are FAR worse than hamas
It looks these panellist haven’t seen the videos from Israeli soldiers showing their crimes.
ICC is doing a great job 👏
"Civilians lose lives in war thats just a fact"
Then why all the fuss about the Blitz on London?
Free America from AIPAC
This lot should be selling pencils from a cup.Their ignorance is astounding
Why is it OK for Putin to be declared a war criminal and not OK for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders to be declared war criminals? A crime against humanity is a crime no matter whether you are Jewish, Palestinian or Russian!
"do you think the civilians have been deliberately targeted?". Ian, a lawyer qualified on the subject analysed evidence and declared yes. You put together a panel of idiots to denounce the ICC instead. Bro, you dont have any ground to stand on
Classic, hamas and israeli gov on the same arrest list 😂
Are you making a point? should there be separate arrest lists or something? 🙄
@@RazorMouthkosher and halal?
Nightmare blunt rotation
Israel do you condemn ICC or r u anti semitic
Keeping saying Israel is a democracy doesn't alter the fact that the IDF is carrying out terrorism.
This panel is disgusting
Israel a democratic state 😂😂😂 really
Why not let the court decide on the basis of evidence? Seems abit mad to dismiss due process.
If "If your my friend then its wrong" was a person.
If we are to live and believe that no one is above the law, and that rule of law should be applied equally to all, that each case be judged upon by weight of evidence, then it is not unreasonable that all responsible for the death of innocents should be held to account and be subjected to indictment.
Of Course the Criminals not going to sign up!!! They know that if they sign up, they won't be able to commit crimes indiscriminately.
What's the problem here? If Benjamin did nothing wrong can't he go thru the courts like everyone else and come out clean on the other side after the facts and evidence are checked 😄 . Let's put some facts on the table.
Criminals are criminals no matter where they live or be..
Have they forgotten the video where those innocent men were killed by an airstrike? They posed no threat whatsoever.
The ICC made it clear why they are intending to issue warrants. For those that are disgusted at the thought that Israel should no longer be allowed to act with impunity please confirm what Is incorrect about the charges outlined by the ICC.
It doesn't matter how Bibi Netanyahu was elected and don't they say Hamas was ELECTED too!
If Isreal hasn’t broken international law then they should be happy for it to play out in court
6 year old Hind Rajab was most certainly targeted as were the WCK Volunteers and many others.
Churchill is a war criminal too. This caller must learn history
YES this is absolutely ridiculous
They are worst than Hamas 🤷♂️
The one on the panel says there are casualties in war showing his total ignorance because its illegal under international law to make war against a place a state is occupying.
Ian justifies Israel by saying civilians die in war, but when civilians die at the hands of Hamas, this logic stops working. Why?
Israeli conduct has been very European.
Israel is no different to Nazis
Israel do you condemn haamas or r u anti semitic
Pretty sure the IDF have taken immense pleasure innthe things that they hae tried to do.
There are those pesky, mass graves that keep popping up. Quite troubling to defend. Go on then...
Disgusting apologetics for an invader. Israel has been built on the homes of Palestinians
If you're not happy with the numbers than allowed the entry of independent journalist !!!!
These are the darkest of times. We are being governed by the emotionally illiterate.
If we're talking about glee while committing atrocities, had this guy not seen the countless IDF tiktoks?
This is really disgusting. This video will be remember. Unleashed orcs