I used the 4 cable method with Marshall JCM900 for quite a while. When I wanted to experiment with different amps sound, I switched to the following: POD's output to Marshall's return + presets using pre-amp models with cab simulation turned off. The cool thing about all those methods is that you can choose whatever fits your needs at the time giving you almost endless possibilities to experiment. Great video, Jon! Take care and have a great day!
4th way, which is my personal use case... MultiFX into power amp, into a cab. My personal rig is a little unorthadox... I run an 11 rack, into a pedal baby power amp, into an orange 2x12 (Unless i go direct), and use my 500x as a midi controler for the 11 rack. My on board wireless into the 500x. One midi cable from the 500x to the 11 rack. Real clean on stage, and easy to trouble shoot problems. And I have presets on both units that just require swapping the output and a cable, if either fails.
I'm wanting to have a set-up in my garage using a multi effects processor. I want it loud like I'm at a concert being able to play along with bands playing on the laptop or whatever. Do I use the processor with a combo amp hooked up with an extra cabinet? Or a PA system? Any ideas would be great.
Hi, great advice. Could you also recommend an affordable and decent guitar amp, which has an FX loop, that's also loud enough for small gigs. I'm currently down to the Blackstar Debut 50R, the Katana 50 and the Laney Foundry 60. Might be unable to demo them where I live so I might have to buy blind. Will be using it with a Boss GX100. Thanks.
Hi, sir. Do you mean that if I use guitar effects on a speaker I should use a pre amp from the guitar effects and I should not use pre amp when I'm going to plug it in an actual amplifier?
So if I were to get a boss gt1000 and I don’t have a good guitar amp would I just buy an frfr speaker to plug the gt1000 into? I am a complete noob when it comes to this stuff so I really don’t know what I am doing. I am trying to upgrade my setup but am just getting lost on what I need. Will the frfr be enough since there are pre amps built into the gt1000?
Yes it will work (that is what I do because my amp doesn't have an effects loop). But it won't be the most ideal sound for some people. I will explain. What happens is that if you use that method you wrote, all of your effects will be affected by your guitar amp's preamp section (and/or your amp/cab simulators on your pedal if you have it engaged). That means if your signal has distortion or fuzz or overdrive, the distortion will become modified by say modulation effects such as chorus, flanger, delay, reverb. To use a food example, say you had a plate with salmon, spaghetti, and broccoli. With that method, it would be like pouring hot sauce on ALL of the items; there is no option to ONLY put it on the salmon and NOT on the spaghetti. You are FORCED to put it on ALL of it. And when you use modulation effects on a distorted signal, it can be like soaking your food in hot sauce rather than just a few drops. If you use the 4 cable method-- or only adding modulation effects to a CLEAN signal with no distortion-- you are free to add a few drops to your salmon and none of it on the other items if you don't want. It is one of those things you can only really learn by doing it once you have access to an effects loop. When given the opportunity, I hope you will one day be able to experience and compare the sound of a distorted signal ENTIRELY being modulated, vs having a distorted signal being separate from the influence of modulating effects. Hope that helps!
Your info was good except when you said to turn off your Amp Model when going into the front of your amp?Why would you do this with a Modeling unit?Yes you would turn off the Cabinet Modeling going into the Clean channel of your amp or Effects Return of a amp but i would not turn off the Amp Modeling unless you just want to use the Effects from your Modeler!
@@jimsimmons2674 I'd say, if it sounds good then absolutely go for it. In my experience though, turning off the amp model and only using effects sounds best with real amps.
I have a HD500x since 2014 and it has covered all my gig needs since then. Never failed me. Great video!
Thank you! I've been running a 500x since 2013
When I first used HD500X, your videos were what got me through how to use them. I have a helix now and I honestly miss HD500X!
Great video!!
You're all grown up now 😭
Oh and the production on this video is totally gorgeous! The room looks sick. The graphics. Everything 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I used the 4 cable method with Marshall JCM900 for quite a while. When I wanted to experiment with different amps sound, I switched to the following: POD's output to Marshall's return + presets using pre-amp models with cab simulation turned off. The cool thing about all those methods is that you can choose whatever fits your needs at the time giving you almost endless possibilities to experiment. Great video, Jon! Take care and have a great day!
Excellent advice as always, and still rocking the line 6!!
Damn. Direct and great explanation!
4th way, which is my personal use case... MultiFX into power amp, into a cab.
My personal rig is a little unorthadox... I run an 11 rack, into a pedal baby power amp, into an orange 2x12 (Unless i go direct), and use my 500x as a midi controler for the 11 rack. My on board wireless into the 500x. One midi cable from the 500x to the 11 rack. Real clean on stage, and easy to trouble shoot problems. And I have presets on both units that just require swapping the output and a cable, if either fails.
Nice! Sounds like you've got your rig dialed.
I’m still a HD500X die hard and I’ve been enjoying your videos for YEARS Joe! Thanks for all the knowledge!
Wow this is somehow help as I am a new beginner of guitar 😃
The 4th method will be plug in your multieffect output into return jack at your amp and bypass the cab sim inside your multieffect.
On more method is directly to guitar amp return jack, bypassing the amp pre amp
does it make sense to use amp modeling before clean amp to make it distorted?
How do i use the 4 cable method if my Roland does not have send return
I'm wanting to have a set-up in my garage using a multi effects processor. I want it loud like I'm at a concert being able to play along with bands playing on the laptop or whatever. Do I use the processor with a combo amp hooked up with an extra cabinet? Or a PA system? Any ideas would be great.
Hi, great advice. Could you also recommend an affordable and decent guitar amp, which has an FX loop, that's also loud enough for small gigs. I'm currently down to the Blackstar Debut 50R, the Katana 50 and the Laney Foundry 60. Might be unable to demo them where I live so I might have to buy blind. Will be using it with a Boss GX100. Thanks.
I wish I could understand this
hey man can you help me out wiht the 500x, i've been tryng to get feedback without the amp for quite some time and i can't,do you know how? thanks
So the sound will be better if I use my zoomgx1 four without the amp?
Hi, sir. Do you mean that if I use guitar effects on a speaker I should use a pre amp from the guitar effects and I should not use pre amp when I'm going to plug it in an actual amplifier?
So if I were to get a boss gt1000 and I don’t have a good guitar amp would I just buy an frfr speaker to plug the gt1000 into? I am a complete noob when it comes to this stuff so I really don’t know what I am doing. I am trying to upgrade my setup but am just getting lost on what I need. Will the frfr be enough since there are pre amps built into the gt1000?
how bout this chain
guitar > multieffect input > L(mono) > return amp
will this work okay?
Yes it will work (that is what I do because my amp doesn't have an effects loop). But it won't be the most ideal sound for some people. I will explain.
What happens is that if you use that method you wrote, all of your effects will be affected by your guitar amp's preamp section (and/or your amp/cab simulators on your pedal if you have it engaged). That means if your signal has distortion or fuzz or overdrive, the distortion will become modified by say modulation effects such as chorus, flanger, delay, reverb.
To use a food example, say you had a plate with salmon, spaghetti, and broccoli. With that method, it would be like pouring hot sauce on ALL of the items; there is no option to ONLY put it on the salmon and NOT on the spaghetti. You are FORCED to put it on ALL of it. And when you use modulation effects on a distorted signal, it can be like soaking your food in hot sauce rather than just a few drops.
If you use the 4 cable method-- or only adding modulation effects to a CLEAN signal with no distortion-- you are free to add a few drops to your salmon and none of it on the other items if you don't want.
It is one of those things you can only really learn by doing it once you have access to an effects loop.
When given the opportunity, I hope you will one day be able to experience and compare the sound of a distorted signal ENTIRELY being modulated, vs having a distorted signal being separate from the influence of modulating effects.
Hope that helps!
First!
Your info was good except when you said to turn off your Amp Model when going into the front of your amp?Why would you do this with a Modeling unit?Yes you would turn off the Cabinet Modeling going into the Clean channel of your amp or Effects Return of a amp but i would not turn off the Amp Modeling unless you just want to use the Effects from your Modeler!
@@jimsimmons2674 I'd say, if it sounds good then absolutely go for it. In my experience though, turning off the amp model and only using effects sounds best with real amps.