This gave me great advice thanks. Also, turns out I have been using the right set up I use Arle(3x👑), Layla, Rozaria, and Furina/Mona. This team works but her burst doesn’t do as much damage so I just use it for heals/ cooldown reset.
Tnx for the help friend, I'm making a burning & melting team for Ale and Emilie, but dunno what cryo I should use better, probally gona pick Layla and Kaeya
I don't know if putting any Dendro in there is going to work since you risk messing up the aura with burning, leading to no melts from Arlecchino, but good luck
Actually, I see a lot of people saying to use Emilie in a burning & melting team, since burning don't give 2 much damage, but keep the pyro in the enemies, so I want to try it
@@fakeanjothat's for reverse melt, entirely different from the forward melt in this video. Melt teams with burning aim to melt hits from the Cryo DPS, not Pyro. So if you were to do that team, Kaeya/Layla would be melting, not Arlecchino. Melt teams with Emilie going around are for Cryo carries who can benefit a lot from it like Wrothesley or Ganyu, and they'll likely use Xiangling or Thoma + Bennett.
For Cryo app rate, C6 Kaeya > Ganyu > Rosaria from fastest to slowest. Ganyu has the highest uptime and giant circle. Damage wise Ganyu hits anywhere between 10-17x depending on enemy hitbox and suffers the most from ER requirements, however her damage also has the potential to spike in aoe if you're using Kazuha for grouping. C6 Kaeya hits 19-24x depending on movement and his burst has a higher multiplier per hit than Ganyu so his overall MV is higher with potential to double if his C2 can be stacked. C6 Kaeya also has to build less ER. Rosaria hits less than the other two but her overall MV is higher than Ganyu and doesn't suffer as much from ER reqs since she can pre funnel all particles to herself unlike Ganyu's split instance E. So personal damage wise C6 Kaeya > Rosaria > Ganyu assuming single target and the enemy is in range for all hits.
Oh wow it has been a while since last guide, you know a lot, thanks for the info. I’ll make sure to put it to good use(telling others how to play cuz I have no Father).
I used Father with Shenhe, Kokomi (ttods) and Layla. After swapping Kokomi for Benny, the dps seems to be about the same despite much more ATK. I guess I botched my rotation, cos I got so used to using kokomi after Cryo (to give ttods to Father) that I just kept erasing cryo auras with benny :D
You'll have to use him with a second Cryo or an Anemo infuser. C6 Kaeya just lets him work as the only Cryo with Arle's CA cancel. Anything below C6 needs a second Cryo source.
I tried Layla Kazuha Bennett, I don't get the Kazuha infused Cryo burst after Layla, what am I doing wrong? I'm doing the exact rotation you have on the video Edit: ok so I tried to use Layla E/Q instead of Q/E like you said, and yeah I will get cryo aura shortly after Kazuha burst but then I run into the problem of swirling Pyro, is there a more reliable way to make this trio to work? and if I build Diona instead of Layla will she be better? my Diona doesn't have cons. Edit: also thanks for this, this video ignites my passion for Arlecchino again, I'm using Layla Rosaria bennett with Arlecchino, since I don't have zhongli it's very hard to play Arlecchino without a shield and that team seems to deal the most damage with a shield.
Hard to say without being able to see what you're doing. If you can record and upload somewhere, give me a link and I can take a look. My guesses: Layla takes a hot second after her QE to wipe pyro and apply cryo so if you did Kaz EQ then you'll just reapply pyro. Going straight to Kaz Q after Layla should give her just enough time to apply cryo due to his long burst animation. If you didn't EQ on Kaz then try waiting for a second before using his burst, and keep an eye on the aura icon to make sure it's cryo. Finally make sure Layla is in melee range when using her E because it does apply cryo on initial cast.
No, you want to use Layla QE not EQ. I mentioned Kazuha EQ incase you used his E before his Q by reflex since that's normally what he does. Again, just a guess because I can't see what you're doing so I can't say exactly why it's not working for you. Also make sure your Layla is in melee range when you use her E because it applies Cryo on initial cast. If you're still infusing pyro, it's highly likely you'll have to wait a sec before going into Bennett just to make sure Kaz burst infuses Cryo. Personally I wouldn't use Diona over Layla without her C6 as her shield is generally weaker and her burst range is much smaller. Btw I don't get any notifications for edits so use the reply button instead, otherwise I won't know if you have other questions.
@@Reia_YT Yes I recorded on TH-cam. v=TuUwpc1Wi8s problem is that enemy starts with pyro aura so Layla has to apply Cryo 3 times to wipe out the aura and apply cryo before Kazuha burst. I also run into the second problem whenever I can pull this off that Enemy will have too much cryo and even when I use bennett E Q then swap to Kazuha auto E I don't get pyro swirl. This team seems to deal much better damage than the double cryo team with Layla, but it's ok I will just use double cryo because it seems to be more consistent to setup
@@willhau9161 yeah you're going to have to wait a second before using Bennett. Either that or wait a sec before using Kaz Q if you want the little extra uptime. For Kazuha to swirl Pyro after Benny setup, make sure he has self infused pyro from Bennet burst before using tap E (the aura icon above YOUR health bar not the enemy's). Otherwise, you'll have to do the good ol' hold E but that takes longer which isn't ideal when you already have short uptime. Lol yep, double Cryo is my go to as well because I don't want to deal with the anemo setups.
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This gave me great advice thanks. Also, turns out I have been using the right set up I use Arle(3x👑), Layla, Rozaria, and Furina/Mona. This team works but her burst doesn’t do as much damage so I just use it for heals/ cooldown reset.
@@Fnafdragon glad it helped! And yeah usually her burst is a DPS loss
Tnx for the help friend, I'm making a burning & melting team for Ale and Emilie, but dunno what cryo I should use better, probally gona pick Layla and Kaeya
I don't know if putting any Dendro in there is going to work since you risk messing up the aura with burning, leading to no melts from Arlecchino, but good luck
Actually, I see a lot of people saying to use Emilie in a burning & melting team, since burning don't give 2 much damage, but keep the pyro in the enemies, so I want to try it
@@fakeanjothat's for reverse melt, entirely different from the forward melt in this video. Melt teams with burning aim to melt hits from the Cryo DPS, not Pyro. So if you were to do that team, Kaeya/Layla would be melting, not Arlecchino.
Melt teams with Emilie going around are for Cryo carries who can benefit a lot from it like Wrothesley or Ganyu, and they'll likely use Xiangling or Thoma + Bennett.
I know Kaeya c6 is probably the strongest option for Cryo subdps but how would you compare Ganyu to Kaeya/Rosaria as a subdps for Arlecchino?
For Cryo app rate, C6 Kaeya > Ganyu > Rosaria from fastest to slowest. Ganyu has the highest uptime and giant circle.
Damage wise Ganyu hits anywhere between 10-17x depending on enemy hitbox and suffers the most from ER requirements, however her damage also has the potential to spike in aoe if you're using Kazuha for grouping. C6 Kaeya hits 19-24x depending on movement and his burst has a higher multiplier per hit than Ganyu so his overall MV is higher with potential to double if his C2 can be stacked. C6 Kaeya also has to build less ER. Rosaria hits less than the other two but her overall MV is higher than Ganyu and doesn't suffer as much from ER reqs since she can pre funnel all particles to herself unlike Ganyu's split instance E. So personal damage wise C6 Kaeya > Rosaria > Ganyu assuming single target and the enemy is in range for all hits.
Oh wow it has been a while since last guide, you know a lot, thanks for the info. I’ll make sure to put it to good use(telling others how to play cuz I have no Father).
Truly Fatherless behavior 😂
I used Father with Shenhe, Kokomi (ttods) and Layla. After swapping Kokomi for Benny, the dps seems to be about the same despite much more ATK. I guess I botched my rotation, cos I got so used to using kokomi after Cryo (to give ttods to Father) that I just kept erasing cryo auras with benny :D
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Is there a good setup to melt C2 proc with Benny/Diona/Kazuha?
As someone who clearly doesn't have C2 you have a better shot at finding that out than I do.
@@Reia_YT I thought all Genshin TH-camrs had a whale friend who lent them their account for testing.
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impressive, thank you for analysis. would C2 kaeya not enough? i don't think i can have c6 in the near future :(
You'll have to use him with a second Cryo or an Anemo infuser. C6 Kaeya just lets him work as the only Cryo with Arle's CA cancel. Anything below C6 needs a second Cryo source.
@@Reia_YT I see... I have c2 kaeya, c3 layla, kazuha. you mean either kaeya/layla or kaeya/kazuha will work, right?
@@fooddk_ Yep, either works! The rotations in the video for those combos should work even with non-C6 Kaeya
I tried Layla Kazuha Bennett, I don't get the Kazuha infused Cryo burst after Layla, what am I doing wrong? I'm doing the exact rotation you have on the video
Edit: ok so I tried to use Layla E/Q instead of Q/E like you said, and yeah I will get cryo aura shortly after Kazuha burst but then I run into the problem of swirling Pyro, is there a more reliable way to make this trio to work? and if I build Diona instead of Layla will she be better? my Diona doesn't have cons.
Edit: also thanks for this, this video ignites my passion for Arlecchino again, I'm using Layla Rosaria bennett with Arlecchino, since I don't have zhongli it's very hard to play Arlecchino without a shield and that team seems to deal the most damage with a shield.
Hard to say without being able to see what you're doing. If you can record and upload somewhere, give me a link and I can take a look. My guesses:
Layla takes a hot second after her QE to wipe pyro and apply cryo so if you did Kaz EQ then you'll just reapply pyro. Going straight to Kaz Q after Layla should give her just enough time to apply cryo due to his long burst animation. If you didn't EQ on Kaz then try waiting for a second before using his burst, and keep an eye on the aura icon to make sure it's cryo. Finally make sure Layla is in melee range when using her E because it does apply cryo on initial cast.
No, you want to use Layla QE not EQ. I mentioned Kazuha EQ incase you used his E before his Q by reflex since that's normally what he does. Again, just a guess because I can't see what you're doing so I can't say exactly why it's not working for you. Also make sure your Layla is in melee range when you use her E because it applies Cryo on initial cast. If you're still infusing pyro, it's highly likely you'll have to wait a sec before going into Bennett just to make sure Kaz burst infuses Cryo.
Personally I wouldn't use Diona over Layla without her C6 as her shield is generally weaker and her burst range is much smaller.
Btw I don't get any notifications for edits so use the reply button instead, otherwise I won't know if you have other questions.
@@Reia_YT Yes I recorded on TH-cam. v=TuUwpc1Wi8s
problem is that enemy starts with pyro aura so Layla has to apply Cryo 3 times to wipe out the aura and apply cryo before Kazuha burst. I also run into the second problem whenever I can pull this off that Enemy will have too much cryo and even when I use bennett E Q then swap to Kazuha auto E I don't get pyro swirl. This team seems to deal much better damage than the double cryo team with Layla, but it's ok I will just use double cryo because it seems to be more consistent to setup
@@willhau9161 yeah you're going to have to wait a second before using Bennett. Either that or wait a sec before using Kaz Q if you want the little extra uptime. For Kazuha to swirl Pyro after Benny setup, make sure he has self infused pyro from Bennet burst before using tap E (the aura icon above YOUR health bar not the enemy's). Otherwise, you'll have to do the good ol' hold E but that takes longer which isn't ideal when you already have short uptime.
Lol yep, double Cryo is my go to as well because I don't want to deal with the anemo setups.
Why not use Shenhe ? I have her C0 and signature weapon.
Couldn't show her because I don't have her. No reason why you can't use her if you want to though.
Shenhe is really only for Cry DPS