Path of Exile 3.23 | Thoughts on Mana RF + Scuffed Guide
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You can get anoint on ivory tower :p
Love your build and dedication bro, keep it up!
Have you considered using The Adorned unique jewel, couples with bunch of max mana plus dot multi corrupted magic jewel?
@@Obi2606 that jewel is bugged, unless they just fixed it unfortunately
sooo whats actually better for someone like you and for a casual: Mana RF or standard RF ?
thanks alot love RF best build and you are best creator!
My wife and I really enjoyed the info about the tanky Cyclone and the like, can you update this build? We like survivability over clear speed.... ^__^ or did you abandon the cyclone for full dedication into burning ray?
"Your Arcane Cloak gives you so much damage you will Frost Blink yourself all the way to standard", lmao
Just use Brutality in Frostblink
@@benc2789 In the fifth middle socket of the boot right?
@@WillSindraele reflect immunity charm actually can help
if your not socket starved you can use void manipulation with frostblink to protect you from ele reflect with it(as it wont do damage), downside you lose chills/shocks though.
Or brutality still chill should apply anyway
I dont even play RF, but been following you a while (since the Zeno days). Always chill content.
Amazing build!!! Can’t wait to save enough currency to get it going
Scuffed Split Personality has similar performance to the normal build, with the upside of future-proofing your setup for when you have the currency to fully upgrade. Loved the update, Pohx!
I've been playing arcane RF. One thing you might like to try: take wicked ward, get a little bit of spell supress (I have 35%+lucky mastery) and 1 or 2 sources of Chance for energy shield to start recharging when you suppress (on charms or that which was taken jewel). I am running that with the grace setup you described and am very tanky. Unfortunately it would mean you can't run eternal youth so you would need to find another solution for coruscating elixir (I'm not running one, but I heard flask mastery gain life on flask use works)
You can use Frost blink with brutality support to run reflect maps (uses up on additional gem slot tho)
I'm doing an RF playthrough using your guide through HCSSF this league and it's been going great. My jugg died which was sad, but I tried the inquisitor version next and it felt a lot better after 2nd ascendancy onward due to the double dip in life/ES regen.
I was able to get the mana RF gem yesterday and I'm looking to see if there's a way to swap to it in HCSSF, looks like you've went straight for the high budget setup, I wonder if there will be a low budget league starter setup for this build. Would be awesome to try out.
Thanks for the guide Pohx!
Check his prior video for his early map “cheap” version he was running before this
I kinda doubt its HC viable the defensive layers are sorta lacking and lots of required uniques for ssf
Definitely not viable for HC. Way to squishy, and lacks of strong defensive layers. You will be better of playing EA Hiero, than RF if you gonna play HC that is.
Righteous fire of arcane devotion is such a good name.
Marf. Mana Righteous Fire
As an idea that I was toying with to recover a lot of mana was to put Mana Leech on a 4L shield charge and annoit either spirit void or Essence sap. Since mana leech is way higher then life leech you can easily get 2-3k/s mana leech going by just shield charging into mobs. Only problem would be if rf kills a pack before you hit the shield charge
Pohx definitely needs to do more sponsor reads! Also, that build looks really solid (the abyss was a nice showcase imo). Sadly, it's no longer an easy set up an go jugg. I suppose that was the intention from GGG, but it is a bit of a shame.
I so missed your iconic greeting in the Ziz chat :) hope Mana RF takes off! I'll try to afford it somehow :D
The opportunity cost is too high but the "chance to recover 10% of mana when you use a skill" can be stacked up to 75% this league, so it might technically be an option. 10% each from mastery, essence amulet, 3x charms, and charm jewel, and 15% from clarity watcher's. There's also the ritual gloves that reimburse a skill's cost as mana 30% of the time
Wait The Adorned applies to socketed corrupt charms? Or am I misunderstanding you?
@@zack151 misunderstanding for sure, he means the other new jewel which gives 4 random charm mods aka That Which Was Taken (it's very cool check it out!)
This build is going to be nutty. Damage is decent!
amazing work, pohx , but I ll stick with life RF still I ned some currrency to try
Don't see many people talking about it, but you can leech with the arcane rf. Spell damage leeches applies since spell damage increases it as well. Weirdly added elemental damage to spell also applies, maybe something like applying chill with +1-5 cold damage to spells or something. I am using a flask with spell damage leech in my build, will try one of the leech nodes once I get a few more levels.
A few things:
1.) Damage can only ever be one type. Arcane RF burn is DoT damage, not spell damage, despite the line about spell damage modifiers. Many other DoT spells have this same line, such as Essence Drain.
2.) Only hits can leech. A dot cannot leech under any circumstances. Note: ED has a regeneration component that scales with its damage, but it is mechanically distinct from leech.
3.) Flat damage cannot mechanically work with RF, as it only affects hit damage. DoTs such as ignite or poison benefit from flat damage only because they scale with an initial hit, and RF does not work this way.
hey Pohx, how to keep RF when Coruscating elixir is used which makes life to 1? BTW I was waiting for your breakthrough, thanks!
Eternal youth keystone
I had the same question in my head until my friend figured it out.
You have to skill the keystone eternal youth, so that energy shield recharge recharges your life. Which is not considered "regeneration" from the other keystone :)
@@Helreir thanks!
Eternal yourth keystone, or 4% life recovered on flask use from Flask Mastery. Eternal youth is the easy one pointer, but if you wanted to try some energy recharge stuff you would be forced into the flask one, which is only 3 passives extra.
great!
Firstly I was wondering why you dont pick up Mind over Matter to get a bit more tanky and have an easier time sustaining your ES? Having decent mana sustain should be the lesser problem.
Secondly I found a charm with 20% hp regen every 5 seconds and no elemental reflect damage taken. That could also help
Pohx addresses Mind Over Matter at 11:25 - short answer is it doesn't work with this build.
At this point incorporation of Mjolner and Manabond seems like obvious choice for single targets.
Man I really want to set this up.
I will make a mana build as soon as I can start plating.
Edit: JK I don't think this would be worth it with Indigon since you'd have less mana to dump. Scatterbrain moment.
Since Sanctuary of Thought only can provide AoE bonus up to 100% couldn't you technically reserve up to 4969 of your mana with another aura since 5000 unreserved mana would be 100% increase AoE?
Or is that not how that would work? Because if so, seems like there is room for additional auras.
cant wait for a levelling guide might just level as life and switch over to mana managed to farm 30 divines :)
You can level with manaRF from lvl16, I'm doing it currently and honestly it's easier to sustain for me than the reg rf via leveling in campaign, I thought manaRF would be harder to sustain but no actually it's super easy. Loving it so far in act3 currently smoking everything and doing the wildwoods every zone.
@og_gamer_boi2108 do you have a pob or something your following I never played rf so very nice to it all 😀
@@OG_Gamer_Guy4only problem with that is that mana RF struggles to have a good time between early to high budget gear. Like when you hit red maps on a budget you will notice alot more resistance in terms of deaths compared to the life variant
@@pamesankaese No problem with it, think you are reading to deeply into it, honestly not worried about budget, if I want to spend 20 divines or more on it I will, just find myself playing PoE way more casual now vs before trying to no life it in past leagues and I surprised myself. When I changed to playing more casual, I found I ran into less build/game burnout and hit more pinnacle bosses actually and weirdly enough make more currency now than I ever did before playing this game lol. Too each his/her own I say. Appreciate your input but I have no doubt this mana Rf will turn out pretty good, as I've made mana stacker's before and the outcomes are silly honestly, heck later this league even thinking of making a mana stacker energy blade power charge flicker strike later even. Honestly this league with the new gems and league ascendancies have opened up the floodgates for creative builds again and that's awesome and been a long time coming.
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fun build if you are good at making currency i guess - ill stick with old RF
Do u have any Mana Leech? otherwise how is ur mana regenerating on a non - steady rate?
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Is the hiero mana es version probably the best potential version over the life inquisitor version?
How does indigon interact with rf exactly? I haven’t played mama stacker before, so I’m not sure if the rf burn is what’s proccing indigon
Arcane cloak proccs indigon, then rf gets the damage bonus.
The new transfigured scales with spell damage (regular RF doesn't), and it also scales the burn based off mana.
You stack a big mana pool, which makes your RF burn stronger. Then you use Arcane Cloak to spend a lot of mana at once and pump up Indigon spell dmg stacks, which boosts your transfigured RF damage even further.
If you can get at 16k mana spend from arcane cloak youll get the full 2000% percent spell damage.
New rf scales with spell modifiers which regular rf do not
This guy sitting nonchalant, with 15k ES.
I've been wanting to make an rf build in standard, but I'm waiting on PoB to add the transfigured gems so I can figure out which to go for.
standard league? the new gems will only be transfer to standard league after this season ends... i think...
@@TheMrFuzio The new gems are already there, the only things that aren't are things that come from the league mechanic.
@@Ergand oh ok thanks for correcting me. Great news too :P
Conner Converse came up with the brand idea if you want to give proper credit. He's been theorycrafting Mana RF since the announcement and is very experienced with mana stacking
Ggg came up with mana RF 😮
Pohx has been theory crafting it since the announcement too. It’s possible for two people to come up with the same idea simultaneously without collaboration or plagiarism. If you are going to make this accusation why not go the whole ten yards and provide proof that Pohx maliciously stole an idea? If he did and there is proof I’ll concede that to you. But why come here to tar and feather a man with no proof?
Mana RF is become relevant only this league, and that also because of the new Trans Gem system GGG introduce to us... ofc its gonna be hot topic and everybody gonna talk and theorycrafting themself, Not because of some random ass guy build on the past that not even possible and viable until now. so cut that Conner Converse thing out, that is cringe af.
@@LiliumCruoremdid you watch the video? Pohx said he didn’t come up with the idea and was not sure who originally came up with it…
He did do a little callout to onemanaleft (Connor) but he doesn't seem to know quite the legend he is with mana characters.
Im starting tonight after work (console release is today :P). I want to mana rf so bad, asap... but it doesnt sound like an actual league start viable thingy eh?
How much would the 10% of damage taken recouped as mana regenerate? If it calculates the RF self damage, it might be a noticeable amount for a single point?
Recoup is only from hit damage, unfortunately.
From watching the video I got an idea that it is somewhat clunky to run, does it feel that way?
Have you considered explody rf this league?
definitely feels a bit clunk since there is a ramp time, I'm thinking life stack explo chief for next char
@@PohxKappa with regular RF gem or the mana one? I was thinking jugg or chieftain with str stacking and iron will but the number didn’t work out.
"you will frostblink right to standard league" LMAO!
seems to be a giant pain in the ass for very little return.
20D and cant even facetank properly. thats not an improvement
This is not even the tip of the Iceberg in terms of damage. Hes only at 10k ish mana when you need to spend 16k mana Arcane Cloak to get the full benefit from Indigon.
Although i have over 75% fire resistence, i have no idea why my Mana RF will keep reducing my health and mana until 1
Guys please give me some opinions! I recently play Poe
Thank you!!0...0
You need more regen, plain and simple. he goes over all his sources in the video. You can also further reduce the damage it is dealing by increasing your max fire res or with other mods (like the pantheon reduced dot taken, or ruby flask)
ive been using burden of truth and corrupted soul keystone with mind over matter keystone to split the dmg 1/3 to es 1/3 to life and 1/3 to mana. It makes sustaining rf really easy. I dont take the life regen becomes es regen keystone instead i just get the es mastery for 2% regen per sec and with ivory tower its enough to keep es sustained for me. But im also new to the game and idk what im talking about so tell me if thats a bad idea.
what about life pool? Almost all life is reserved, wouldn't taking dmg be lethal in this case?
@@warmmage2218 i have 4k life unreserved and only 1/3 of dmg is going there so its as if i had 12k. But i only just started doing red maps havent had much time to play idk how well it holds up in the future.
For auras i got purity of fire on health and on mana malevolence, clairity and vitality. I can add one more on mana if i feel like it i think.
@@NikELbErGErBergel Seems like youve made a great budget variant, but I don't foresee your version scaling nearly as high. For example, endgame you can get to 50k+ ES and your life regen just wouldnt matter then
compared to regular RF build, which one is better in term of damage vs budget?
Mana Rf is very high budget and also higher damage/ehp ceiling. If you have interest, I would play normal RF to 90+ while accumulating currency, and convert after. As he said, you COULD do it around 10 divines. I would recommend 20+. The longer you wait the less chance of being frustrated at the loss of power. But it definitely has the potential to pay off.
@@michaelbellamy5861 I see, thanks
Unfortunate to see a build I love go from league starter to 10div investment for it to feel good. I know you said you can still run old RF on like chieftain but the ease of access and simplicity of RF is what made it great.
I have to do some tinkering still. But I ran it on my Elementalist a lot pre affliction in a coc ice nova/vortex/frostbolt Cospri’s crit setup. I really wanna try the mana rf on her because I was only slapping rf on her for the extra spell damage it gives. But the rf of arcane or something makes it scale off spell damage. It may not be leaguestarter material necessarily. But I think Elementalist is gonna be the new RF mainstay once people catch on. I’m kind of a newer player though so I could be totally wrong. But old rf felt great on my elementalist. I’ll see how the new one feels once I get a chance to do the tinkering I wanna do with it on standard.
Ivory Tower Elementalist gonna be the new RF meta soon.
Why?
Pohx !
Help me)
I have a problem with the flask (Coruscating Elixir Ruby Flask).
it removes all my health leaving 1 HP.
But at 1 HP then the RF stops working and it turns off for me.
Tell me, how does this flask not delete all your HP?
Ty
You need Eternal Youth keystone
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How come Coruscating Elixir is not dropping HP, shutting down RF?
eternal youth
14.53 that is your voice? How did you do that?! :D
Budget version wen?
Still Not Sure if i wanna Play this seems a Bit conterintuitive scaling wise Like Sure you have Access to a Lot more DMG multipliers but the base DMG scalijg seems worse AS youre on one Hand trying to have a good es Pool to keep Up with Recovery AS flat regen wont Cut it % regen is your best beton the other Hand you need to Spend a Lot of Points on your tree towards getting your Mana Pool Up for your Base dmg sure mana as max es helps but i feel like the str scaling double dipping with shapers touch is just more effi ient and makes for a smoother expoerence qhile this is likely more dmg
Bro....use periods. Cant understand anything youre saying.
Im sry im on my Phone which has a weird Bug which makes IT so i cant barely See what im even typing
@@impact6126 It's just the expensive version. You can end up with 50k ES and dot cap damage with this version with enough investment.
@@michaelbellamy5861 Not Sure DOT Cap IS even a concern
i like there is a new RF archetype but i still don't like the damage. It's nowhere near the old RF levels of dps :(
The potential of mana rf literally can reach dot cap. Mana scaling enables some crazy stuff with enough investment.
@@michaelbellamy5861 i don't mind spending couple hundred divines but i never played mana character before so i don't like buying cat in a bag if you know what i mean.
so..when i use coruscating elixir my rf turns off....how do u bypass that?
eternal youth
So RF has become a build for elite players now because theres no way I can farm 20 divs in 1 league or even 3 leagues. In ToTa I got 8 divs as rewards. This is a shame because 4 leagues ago I played RF for the first time and I was able to beat the 4 new bosses with some pretty average gear.
This is the expensive variant. Just follow a non-mana variant for budget.
How about the es regen charms?
wow
i dont get RF to run no matter what i do :(
Honestly, the mana mechanics with indigon makes this feel very finnicky to play. I don't like it as much.
I agree, i'm not quite sure myself if I like it lol
this looks too much like regular ivory tower life/es stacker and is straight up worse
So RF currently is more or less dead for casual players?
no, you should check my rf inquis updates
No just play normal rf
@@PohxKappa thank you for your work!
looks meh, i guess i wont be trying it out
oohh
:D
looks like expensive clunky crap build😂may be sombody like this.
I tried it to the best of my ability and I am not impressed. It's not what i'd thought.... I got it going but it's not worth it in my humble RF 3rd league.....
plus i have ran out of hopium and copium at the same time...
Would be good if life rf gem can also scale with spell damage, then a str stacking rf Would be end game feasible.
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