Magna Moosey rapier vs long messer
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Swords - check
Coats - check
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Fighters - Czech
Magna Moosey Magna Moosey Magna Moosey Magna Moosey
Clever clever
Love that he is a gentleman. He acknowledges and greets his opponent - before drawing and shooting at him with a pistol.
Spoilers, man! 😂
"Engage in the clash, remembering that Victory under god is the greatest virtue, my son
(play to win bitch :D)
3 feet to the left
He was saying to him in a form of gesture saying “parry THIS you filthy casual!!!
Not so much of a gentlemen if he used a ranged weapon in a 1v1 fight. Let alone having his gun hidden and surprising him with it afterwards.
Most accurate depiction of a 17th century handgun
Shoot from like 2 yards away and miss
I have a replica smooth bore flintlock pistol and from two yards, I never miss. With my smooth bore 60 cal. flintlock fowler I can shoot a four inch group bulls eye all day at twenty five yards and a consistent ten to twelve inch grouping at 50 yards. The trick is not to fire it accidentally too soon with your finger on the trigger while drawing it from concealment.
@@IIVVBlues id love to own a pair of them. they are so beautiful those pistols, eighteenth century ones too.
Title: rapier vs long messer
*shoots a gun*
That's accurate for the time period
"Ah, a honorable opponent. Our battle will be legendary."
The honorable opponent: *proceeds to draw pistol instead of engaging the swordfight*
*Isshin flash back
@@DieshockX musashi would be proud
I love that these two guys have wound up in the same room roughtly 150ish years after their previous encounter :P
He really wanted that runback
Assassins creed lol
Probably one of my favorites that I've seen so far. I really loved the fact that both fight dirty (pistol, coat, hat) and how we perfectly get that the character with the messer is constantly trying to get to one of the longer weapons on the walls to get an edge
i like how their movements become sloppy and barbaric as their strength wains from their wounds towards the end. Well done
*Beginning of the fight*
Me: Ah, such honor to fight fairly for one's--
*Other guy uses pistol to shoot sword off the other guy's hand*
Me: DISHONOR!
CID
I know, right?
Anyone else laugh their ass off at the very beginning when the guy in the beige hat gets a super smug look on his face and then he pulls a gun and shoots it?
One of the nice touches of these films are seeing that the combatants are getting tired. Fighting all out like this drains one's energy fast. Even a well conditioned boxer can only flurry for so long before gassing out.Love all the attention to detail you guys put into these. SUBBED!
Wait. So you can show wide shots of a fight that frame both participants??? Someone tell Hollywood.
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@@user-ti7dj3zu4f i phoned it was that ur mom? tell her ill be home soon
*Brings a pistol to a swordfight*
Later: *Gets punished as blade stabs into two vital places*
0:34 "Parry this you filthy casual"
Bloodborne parry.
But why was that guy not letting the other guy light the fireplace? He only wanted to be warm during their duel.
Holy crap, they did the "Get an ambulance! Get an ambulance!... But not for me!" Meme before it even exist
That guy always ends up dead. He is like the Sean Bean of this channel 😂
because goatee = bad guy. and the good guy always gotta beat the bad guy
Can't believe how much character development there is in this fight scene
That opened up with hard parry this you filthy casual energy.
I love how the other rapier wielder makes a big show of their sword before going towards him, and then the other just pulls an Indiana Jones and shoots him, despite it missing, it makes me crack up!
When the hats come off, you know its serious.
I think what I like about this channel is that you guys don't try to be flashy, you show that combat is viciously brutal as much as it's an art form
I'll be damned if it doesn't end up looking damn cool anyway.
I've always said that while your videos leave a lot to be desired in the departments of music, sound quality, and to a certain extent, acting and color grading, the actual fighting sequences are the best ones I've ever seen, eclipsing by far any action movie ever produced - to the best of my knowledge, at least.
I imagine that this organization budgets towards training, buying reproductions, and buying practice gear. These sorts of clubs, as a fringe group already, don't really have a lot of money to begin with - This short was probably done with spare change that they scrounged up, as quality filming, equipment, and editing takes a lot of money - As for acting, there are simply very few actors who can match the technique and stamina that these guys show, as these people have dedicated 10+ years to reconstructive archeology in interpreting the historical masters' fencing treatises.
What I mean to say is that, given who these guys are (not a film school, but a historical fencing school), these shorts are very impressive!
Ok Marian, get them the big budget film studios and the professionals for sound and editing and music and what not, and your gripes will be blamed. Otherwise, Seriously dude?
The dedication to the history and culture of our European people is inspiring.
if only more people shared your attitude...
@@ravensnflies8167 They will.
I kinda find it funny how he goes into a room full of spears, halberds, and two-handed swords, has some time to look around and ends up picking up the messer.
What would u pick if u had 3 seconds? Also halberd and axes decreases your defence, you cant just full on throw it at him.
@@ultimatecrusader9907 Halberds don't "decrease your defence". Reach is a huge advantage, so a spear, halberd or two-handed sword would have been much better. Out of all of these the halberd is a bit slower, so I'd probably pick a spear or 2h sword.
@@cwmyr maybe he dont know to use polearms? Or he is very good at using one handed sword
@@cwmyr Reach would be a good advantage, if you have the space to maneuver with. But since these two were fighting inside an enclosed space, reach in the context of polearms becomes a liability. And it only really makes sense if you're dealing with multiple opponents, or you're facing one opponent in armor (like in a judicial duel).
Plus, as Ultimate Crusader stated, he only had a limited time frame to select a weapon. If three seconds meant a fighting chance against certain death, you gotta make do with the first thing you have on-hand.
@@TheSteelKingdom /thread
As Tuco said, “When you have to shoot, shoot don’t talk!”
Funny that not a single word was said throughout this whole video.
Wow, lots of clever stuff in here. I actually laughed at the hat throw (in a good way, as I put the same thing in a fight for a production of "Cyrano") and the final exchange was brutally brilliant. Terrific work.
Interesting trivia when my local group was training, the shorter and heavier "cutting" blades were far faster than the longer and lighter "thrusting" blades except in the pure thrust, so all else being equal, the result was correct once the messer got past the point of the rapier.
I'm not a great swordsman, but it got annoying enough to the rapier centric SCA locals that they banned me from using "cut and thrust" swords even when I was only thrusting.
Imagine bringing a gun to a sword fight and still losing, cringe.
But seriously, great choreography and atmosphere!
How lucky would you feel with a single shot pistol against someone with a drawn melee weapon?
Also, these early guns were not particularly known for reliability nor accuracy...
Never bring a gun in a sword fight, but never bring a sword in a gun fight.
when thou art mugged
Call forth an apothecary,...BUT NOT FOR ME!
In a room filled to the brim with polearms, man goes for the messer.
Jokes aside, amazing choreography.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah. They had him try and go for a polearm when the guy was already in there, but it was too late
That grapping rapier and half rapier part is fantastic.
Ho, god, those guys should be hired in the greatest movies!
:chuckles: Okay you got me ... I was all "That's not a Messer!" at the beginning :D
Nah, that's not a Messer... THAT'S a Messer!
Superb fencing choreography. Better than many actual movies..
That hat throw was a nice touch.
He could've ended him rightly right there if he throw the pommel instead of the hat.
I am just here to see some comments from some expert swordsmen wannabes
they watch vids bruh
yup.
As soon as I saw that flintlock opening I was like "Oh the custom greeting of pillars of eternity I see"
The hat throw was the best, but it didn't end him...rightly.
Ok! That flintlock pistol part was REALLY realistc right there lol. A guy will just causally shot you just like that lol xd.
If you want my advice title your video's in English. While as a minority language speaker myself I hate to be that guy, I understand the pride in writing in your own language.
But you guys are so so good - If you expanded your demographic you would get the views you deserve for you fantastic quality of work!
amen!!
Beithyr Yet it's not even written in their native language.
These guys are Czech but the title is not in Czech. Magna means great in Latin and I don't know what moosey means (I think it has nothing to do with mooses though :-) ).
@@00Trademark00 I think its a characters name, but I am not so quickly dismissing the connection to moose as you so wantonly suggest.
Dude Jack Black is pretty good with swords.
0:38 For the entirety of my teen years, I wondered what was that "mantel" skill in GURPS. Now I finally learned what that was about
I really like the cutting off and barrier-making with the rapier. It really turns the fight into objectives.
Messer guy wants to escape, rapier guy wants to capture/kill messer guy, so he has to stop him from running away, and he does this by using his reach to defend from being overrun and to get in the way of his opponent.
The overall choreography feels a little too rehearsed, but it was a fun watch and I appreciate your work! Well done!
PS. I’m overly critical in all things, don’t worry too much.
The standard here is so high, a little light criticism just reminds us that they're humans and not time wizards.
There’s nothing like two handsome men staring into each other’s eyes and casting off clothing before engaging in some _real_ action
Hmm...right it is.
until one penetrates the other
Crossing swords with 2 different sizes can be fun it seems. And, with that said, I'm also the 69th like on your comment.
@@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838 only one of them exploded too soon
@@rosaleslem I guess the one that outlasted the other came out on top
So very awesome, I love how you are both cinematic and realistic. This is the standard TV should hold itself to. If Renaissance actors can rely on bladders filled with blood beneath their clothing in live stage combat, then people with editing of footage and infinite takes to get it right SHOULD be able to make every fight scene at least as good as this!
@@MrFrederas It's more that Hollywood emphasizes flashiness and visual appeal over authenticity and effectiveness. Remember that your average moviegoer doesn't know HEMA, and has no idea what medieval martial arts are SUPPOSED to look like.
Sees wall full of polearms.
Grabs short falchion/saber.
For the plot.
neither a falchion (too middle ages) nor a sabre (not popular in central/western europe that early). Its a dussak widely used in reinaisance and up to 17th century
looked kind of like a messer to me. Though the differences between falchion, messer, and I think dussack are mostly superficial anyway, same general blade shape.
Thisold Hatte messer mean knife. Lange messer (long knife) was a term for certain single bladed swords simillar to swiss sabers, much longer than a dussak, usually as long as a typical oaekshot 12 type arming sword, with many hand and a half or two hand variants as well. A dussak is a machete lenght sword, as you can see in the video.
Of course such things require a lot of research to get a slight grip, I even learn new things occasionally after 7 years as a HEMA practitioner. Old tabletop RPG's, video games, films and medieval/fantasy books have confused a lot of people with their utterly wrong terminology. Even documentaries are terrible at conveing reliable knowledge
Poor Jack Black... always getting owned in sword duels... should’ve challenged them to a rock-off instead
Runs into a room full of halberds.
grabs a long knife
Of course, that's the way we all like it 😎
@@AdoreaOlomouc is like getting into a room full of m82 barrettes and just pick up a tiny pistol
@@sven9900 That's because a pistol is lighter, more maneuverable, and there's a chance you won't kill your enemy with the first shot 😀
@Sport by German laws, is a totally normal knife
@Sport It literally is. lange messer means long knife in german word by word.
I watch this at least once a week one of my favorite sword fights
I love how you can literally see the guy strategizing during the short pauses. "His sword is lighter, I need to get in close and grapple"
1:26 * casually pulls halberd off wall *
*walks up to each other* "you dare draw on me sir? Prepare to taste steel!!" * other guy?* "fuck this" *pulls out a gun*
Dont know why. But that killed me
It's like that Indiana Jones scene
imagine a 15th century Jason Bourne like movie
No jason Bourne is overrated jump cut action movie. John wick is far better comparison.
How does this not have a million views?
Wow, there's so much tension in the air! Something I miss in most movies fights.
When this amateur film is more realistic than your average Hollywood production.
So true, so many fanmade films even more good than hollywood like Dragon ball for example, the fan films made well while hollywood are trash.. random youtubers and independent producers more talented than hollywood.
buddy really shouldn't have brought a gun to a sword fight
Ah yes, the common smoothebore muzzle loading pistol, or, as intelectuals such as myself know it, a "Man-Portable Pommel Acceleration Device for The Aplication of Pacifying Hostile Combatants."
The *Righteous Application
Jerry Martin: You have a false impression of the smooth bore pistol. I have had one for over 40 years and have successfully competed with rifled barreled pistols at 25 yards. Well maintained, it goes off when I want it too and, inside 10 yards, always hits what I intend to hit. I have never had to face an armed opponent with it, but It has a 60 cal. barrel and with it, I have successfully managed to bring down a white tail deer.
I believe however, than the pistol in the video may be anachronistic. By the costuming depicted, a match lock might have been more appropriate, albeit much more difficult to conceal.
*MPPADAPHC?
@Jerry Martin man you got me on the floor hahahahahahaha
@@nefelibatacomingthrough2707
Bless u
This is almost like the description of the fight between Zigu the ferret and Sabretache the hare in "Outcast of Redwall", even the same weapons too
I see we have a fellow man of Jacques’ Culture. *mustache twirl*
Imagine if he took one of the halberds from the back of the room...
Video would have been 2 minutes shorter as a halberd is not duelers weapon. Just too slow.
I wana see Jack Black dude win the next fight ! Fs ! he puts up a show, he deserves it :)
I love what you're doing, you know fencing and do scenarios for it. People dotn realise HEMA is not simulation of duel. I do HEMA and I fought on wet grass, near small trees, pine coans on the ground, slippery ground, small rooms, these all are DIFFERENT skills. Also I love details of dude first grabbing what's easier to get and then trying to get better weapon!
And people need to understand in human vs human context its not all abotu fencing, its about ALL skills you have and will use.
How many people in the comment section would have been stabbed to death trying to wrestle a halberd off of the wall?
Been going thru your guys content for the last couple of days. Someone NEEDS to give you enough money to make a full length film. Literally among best collection of fight scenes I have ever seen.
That Jack Black lookin dude is the Sean Bean of this channel.
Damn that was a proper fatality
I enjoy how they go for a more realistic and authentic throat slash than the Hollywood stab to the heart. Much easier to open up the often unprotected carotid artery than to stab through layers of thick clothing, muscles, and ribs 🤷♂️
Благодарю за видео!
Тяжко, должно быть, снимать такие постановки! Не представляю, как там можно не пораниться и не отхватить по хлебалу сгоряча во время съемки...
А там же и оператор рядом- его тоже надо не заколоть постараться...
Молодцы просто.
Я все ждал, что кто-то кого-то реально проткнет сдуру...
С таким оружием шутить могут себе позволить только профи.
Уважаю.
И костюмы колоритные такие.
Согласен но оружие наверняка тупые (если не явно), хотя всё равно надо по осторожнее так как тупыми мечами тоже можно поколечить.
Have you noticed that it is always the same actor that loses. Poor guy =P
So that's how people said "Good Morning" back then.
The Ser they were always late from work
The only question I have is why the guy with the rapier tried to slash so often when short, fast thrusts would keep his opponent at reach without exposing himself to close-quarters combat.
He wasn't that good-- which is why he cheated right from the start with the Wheelock horsepistol
The real question is why none of them are using the dozens of polearms that are in the room.
@@trapperscout2046 the fat tried to pick one, but the thin man didn't give a chance
@@robertlehnert4148 You have the right of it.
I love your videos! I don't know why movies aren't more realistic, just a little bit of cinematography and realistic fights can look cool as hell!
It's far easier to hire someone who knows nothing about swordsmanship than someone who does. A shame, really; there are so many talented practitioners out there, but producers tend not to care (unless it's Japanese swordsmanship - for some reason it's "better" than European because Katanas can cut through space and time, apparently)
@@appleyanimator6541 I think people are just not used to think of European swordsmanship as something on par with "Eastern Martial Arts" (which such a broad category that it becomes useless as a description and completely lump a lot of different cultures and traditions under some nebulous "eastern" thing. ). This is problematic because Asian people are not some kind of mystical martial savants that "all know kung-fu".
Swords are cool, curved swords are cool and most of the people using them had to be good at it!
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I liked that both where whereing down , the end was tricky, looks great. And I liked throwing the big hat like that.
Really enjoy these videos of yours. Should throw in the winner dying a week later from infection for added realism.
Wonderful sword play! I'm glad the guy with the manga moosey won, because he was at a disadvantage facing the rapier which had a length advantage. Plus the character with the rapier seemed a bit arrogant, in the way he kept pointing his weapon. Like, "I can beat you with your short sword mate."
Don't spoil it you dick!
Well I think it also has to do with the fact that in rapier fencing u always want the point threatening the other guy. It acts as sort of your shield.
@@sylaconnocalys8443 lmao yeah it's not like you gonna stay in guard to cut someone
@@MundusMeus974 Who reads the comments before watching the video?
Why the dood with the cool hair always loses the duel in these movies?
HOLEY SHIT... THEY RISKED AND BRISKED TO ALMOST ACTUALLY SLASHING EACH OTHER... CONGRATULATIONS...
I didn’t see a single pommel thrown this entire video...
I smell another Skallagrim fan.
How, then do they plan to end one another rightly?
Jokes getting old
Stupid old joke...
Old jokes don't die, they just fade away
Hahaha loved the gun work in the beginning, Bloodborne came to life!
Lol that’s what I was thinking!
Прекрасно!!Вот это бой-а не те мелодраматические постановки боев на пол часа что показывают во всяческих тв фильмах.Спасибо огромное парням.
This is awesome. It was never disorientating and all the moves seemed purposeful and realistic.
1:00 "And I fall... To join my many Jedi brothers that lie forgotten."
Where was this filmed, Winterfell?
Stun-locked.
Working as intended.
Needs higher poise.
please patch poise
The way they fight is amazing 😀😀😀
Wish people would be wearing 1500s/1600s clothes these days.
Friend, my codpiece agrees with your suggestion.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Moral of the story:
Don't bring a gun in a sword fight
That was rad. Is there a villian? I liked both participants. Very good production, in my opinion; this is a great short film. If I understand anything about swordplay, you keep it as simple and effective as possible. This example seems to show the economy and effectiveness of planned procedures. Obviously it shows the inherent dangers of living on the edge. But it also illustrates the fluidity possible when you plan for the unexpected, but train to be effective.
I'd say rapier guy was the villain. Shithead challenged a guy to a sword duel and then tried pulling a pistol on him.
Homeboy ran into a room with walls lined with polearms and a greatsword but decided to pick up a knife
Not everyone is a s skilled as you are.
Douche.
@@DarthJermz It was a joke about the messer being a knife... GJ...
This reminds me of cats fighting for some reason. They wait for a bit, stare, then madness.
Very well done. Beautiful swordplay.
I watched that ending at least 5x in a row. Well done!
I like how swift and brutal the deaths are in these videos. Hollywood sugar coats the reality of stabbing someone.
What I find cool about this fight is that despite having a shorter blade (thus having less reach), the guy wielding it not only still gives the guy with more reach a huge challenge but also even manages to win by quickly closing in and using his skill to overcome his reach disadvantage.
Cade Thumann true, but it would have been easier to ambush him at the door. Once you get passed the rapier blade there, he can't do anything...
You fellows are great swordsmen and you fight like you're the next immortal to fight Duncan McCloud. En Garde.
Halberd. Halberd on the wall. Grab the... grab the halberd on the wall. The... no, the halb-- ah fuck it fine.
I think those are decoration, i mean if black plate armour haven't invented so I think black weapons will and the only part that black on a weapon that I've seen so far is the pommel guard and grip.
it would have been cooler if one of the two grabbed the greatsword hanging on the wall!
.....The decoration (greatsword) bent doe?
Alex Nguyen
it looks like an actual one
Ok I'll grab it but first I'll put my weapon away to have free hands, then I'll pull it off the things it lays on while showing my back to opponent and then I'll use the halberd
2:22 Ok, the chubby won, he is now ready for the sepsis and a slow deadly fever.
0:34 top-notch fencing.
They both recognize the advantage the longer weapon has. The winner is a better swordsman, no wonder the other guy brought a gun to a sword fight (or is a messer a knife?)
a messer is a knife yes ... the shorter of the blades was the messer de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langes_Messer sorry but there was no english wiki
Aye messer does mean Knife, kinda wished they used a Krieg Messer instead though (translates to war knife, its a bigger messer)
@@custodianvrael6471 its more the way it is made the hilt is knifelike not swordlike and its usualy only one side sharpened
@@gehtdichnixan3200 Ah, thank you for the correction.
@@custodianvrael6471 the reason was quiet simple there where craftsman that where allowed to make swords but no knives and craftsman that where allowed to make knives but the had the knowhow to make swords as well ... so they made knives in the sice of a sword ;)
amazing job! realistic uniform & weapon! THANKS!!