Boeing Starliner Finally Coming Back With Major Problem, NASA Confirmed! No Dragon Rescue!
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Boeing's Starliner spacecraft is undergoing an extended mission at the International Space Station (ISS), a significant development for its first-ever astronaut mission. Initially planned to last just over a week, Starliner’s stay in orbit is now anticipated to continue well beyond its original 45-day mission limit, according to recent NASA updates. This comes amidst ongoing analyses and testing prompted by technical issues encountered shortly before and during its docking at the ISS. Starliner launched on June 5, 2024, marking a pivotal moment for Boeing and NASA. This mission, known as the Crew Flight Test (CFT), is Starliner’s first manned mission following two prior uncrewed flights. It carries NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams, both seasoned test pilots with extensive experience in evaluating new spacecraft systems. The capsule successfully docked with the ISS on June 6, despite initial challenges that necessitated a brief delay and reattempt. These difficulties were primarily associated with the Reaction Control System (RCS) thrusters, where several malfunctioned during the docking process. Furthermore, helium leaks were detected within the capsule, adding to the complications faced by the crew and ground control teams. Efforts to identify and resolve the issues with Starliner’s RCS thrusters are continuing. You know, the spacecraft has 28 thrusters in total, with five showing inconsistent behavior during the docking phase. As of the latest updates, only one thruster will be taken offline for the spacecraft's eventual return to Earth. This comprehensive evaluation of the thrusters includes ground testing, which commenced on July 3 at NASA’s White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico. These tests aim to replicate the conditions experienced by the thrusters from launch through docking and, later, from undocking to landing. The ground testing is a crucial step to understand the thruster anomalies and ensure the reliability of Starliner for future missions. One of the significant factors enabling the mission extension is the performance of Starliner’s batteries. Initially, NASA had set a 45-day limit for the mission, constrained by the crew module batteries. However, recent assessments have shown that the batteries are performing well, allowing for a potential doubling of the mission duration. Steve Stich, manager of NASA's Commercial Crew Program, explained that the batteries are being recharged by the station, and their performance has not degraded. This development opens the possibility of Starliner remaining docked for up to 90 days or even more, providing ample time for thorough testing and analyses.
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Cozy
NASA needs to rethink its cosy relationship with Boeing and stop throwing away taxpayer money.
In Brazil we have an expression for this situation whose translation is something like “stuck tail”. NASA and Boeing are linked by decades of partnership and only God knows what that really means.
Boeing has been costing lives lately
Several of the whistle-blowers turned up, not breathing anymore
Now, the two so-called 'astronauts', I think I might to buy flowers for them too
Why would they do that. They're too busy giving each other a reach around
I adjusted your quote. "NASA needs to rethink its co(z)y relationship with (SpaceX) and stop throwing away taxpayer money."
Former NASA Administrator, Kathy Lueders, who issue SpaceX contracts and recently approved payments, just before retiring and then Joining SpaceX to be the general manager of Starbase!! Talk about a cozy relationship!!
Starship is so far behind it will likely ruin the Artemis Program!! Ab bad as Starship is performing, the Artemis contract for the HLS should be cancelled and the lead contractor switched to BO!
@@verypleasantguy Boeing is not a single company and what is happening with their commercial airliner business has nothing to do with Starliner.
Boeing trying to save face. Starliner is done.
The reason they didn't return earlier is because the engineers wouldn't have been able to figure out what happened to the faulty thrusters. The service module carrying the thrusters burns up on re-entry. So, the engineers needed to figure out what happened before the crew returned.
I think Starliner can still work and be safe. I just don't know if Boeing will be around to operate it.
Not they're not. NASA will continue to throw good money after bad.
Niedermaier? Wasn't he in Animal House?
Our schools award degrees to engineering students that cannot fix a bicycle.
Boeing tries to destroy evidences !
If NASA thought Starliner was safe to return, it would have already.
Think they are still preforming tests on ut before they won't be able to after separation
They do think it's safe to return. But you can't actually _prove_ anything is safe, and nobody wants to be on the hook for making that call. As much as anything the tests they're doing are going to spread the blame around if the return goes badly.
Hate over basic reasoning, that's the internet for ya
I'll bet a donut that Dragon goes and gets them and Starliner comes home unmanned.
Hell, Dreamchaser will be ready to go before Boeing gets their stuff together.
What is this decision? A pride thing? If anything happens to these astronauts, someone high up in that organization needs to go to jail.
If I was an astronaut, I would NEVER enter that thing again!
It needs to do what a Japanese company did even though the CEO had to flee Japan.
The entire thing is done for, as no company will want to risk using this company. Someone should have asked for SpaceX to do the rescue, but that would lose face, rather risks the lives of others than do that
They shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. Now they have to make sure the door stay shut on the way back.
Yeah. Call SpaceX for a ride home.
Boeing had, literally YEARS to test those thrusters and other mission critical systems before it left the ground. They need to get that wart off the space station, and drop it into the ocean, so SpaceX can go bring our people back.😐
While watching I had the same thought when they said they wanted to understand the thrusters. Shouldn't that have been done during the development phase? Some people talk about how much the Apollo program cost yet do you know how much time was put into testing and verifying each component? And yet we still has Apollo One's fire. The problem boils down to a simple problem that has been pointed out.Once by another spacecraft designer who shall remain nameless. Upper management are not real engineers. they are bean counters. The other problems is they don't have the best people anymore. They must meet certain checkboxes. Myself I don't care if you are white, black purple male xon. As long as you know your stuff come work for us. That other company has done that. I heard when Musk decided to build a spacecraft he learned all he could on engineering. That is the way it should be. I'm a medic but I don't think you would want me to design your thrusters.
The Boeing CEO needs to be in it. He should face the world from the product he wanted us to use.
I wonder what airplane Boeing uses as a corporate plane
Not a bad idea. There is an extra seat they can sit in. Or we could tie them to the outside of the capsule
If I wanted NASA's PR department, I would just watch nasa. 😂
Agreed
Those astronauts should refuse to return on Starliner. Demand a crew Dragon on autopilot to pick them up. Make starliner return uncrewed.
Call an UBER
SpaceX could have sent a Dragon up there 10 times since this whole Starliner debacle started
If there was a 'spare' Dragon to send.
@notgreg123
2 hours ago
Slight problem: none of them are ready for flight and/or already have their own missions planned
Endeavor: currently docked, not enough seats
Resilience: docking equipment removed for Polaris Dawn
Endurance: planned for crew swap, this is probably the best option by adding extra seats, but then they'd stay in space for another 6 months
Freedom: Axiom mission, not quite ready for flight yet but could bring them home sooner because of the shorter mission
When is the next scheduled Dragon return flight? It has capacity for 6, only 4 are used regularly.
It could have at least sent one up, removed the schedule to bring it onto the pad, as currently housed and simply check systems and fuel up, it is doing nothing but standing in a very large shed
"We want to understand the thrusters and how we use them", I would have thought after 60 years using thrusters, they would know by now. NASA should slap them hard and make any future Boeing projects be done on their own dime. Aircraft are required to deep-cycle their batteries every thirty days to prevent developing a memory which prevents usage of the full battery charge, if you continually use only the top 10 percent, eventually, that will be all that is available to be used. Telling the astronauts "we think most of the systems might work OK" does not give a strong sense of confidence.
When you are number 1 in your mind, you tend to skip all of the testing others would do upfront. Part of the problem Boeing loves to save cash by outsourcing stuff and never checking if the work was done right or not. Why would you use flammable tape to wrap wire harnesses? Are there any intelligent minds in the Pacific Northwest working for Boeing?
Also, in the year 2000, Boeing bought Hughes Space and Communications, the world's largest builder of satellites. Didn't this give Boeing the best information available on thrusters, seeing as thrusters are needed for orbiting and maintaining satellites?
I think that N A S A will have done with Boing, after this, as not to be associated with the criminal actions of this company. N A S A has a reputation and name to saefguard
So your telling me that out of all that kit they got up there, no one thought about taking a friggin solar battery charger...
Pretty sure there are solar panels on the bottom of the service module. Idk what's happening with the batteries
Boeing still thinks we are in the 90s... 💀
70's
Unlike Dragon capsule, Starliner does not have solar panels to supply and recharge its battery. And, this is a product of the smartest people in Boeing.
Scarey 😢
China did a far better job making a copy/improving the craft they bought from Russia. All Boeing did was build a bigger Apollo capsule right down to the 1960s layout with zero updates.
I thought they did, hiding on the "trunk" or equivalent on the bottom of the capsule...
You mean the most diverse and inclusive people at Boeing?
Dragon is a flimsy unreliable and barely tested capsule 😂
Anything happens to those astronauts, Boeing is finished.
Boeing is a vehicle to launder public money into the hands of contractors who are big money donors to both major political parties. It has suppliers in every congressional district. Boeing is a major defense contractor. If Boeing dies, it will be reorganized with another name and with the same lizard faces and contracts. Disgusting.
Rest assured, Boeing is too big to fail !
So is NASA if anyone dies.
Nothing is too big to fail. @@verypleasantguy
Boeing: Testing to find out how the thrusters work?! Really? I would think that would have been done long before you put people on that thing.
The drive to get back to space must be insanely powerful to go up in anything Boeing after the last few years of their failures and cover ups.
You couldn't get me one of their planes, let alone a rocket made by them.
Starliner's future mission should be as an artificial reef somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
Watching nearly 60 years of space flight, I don't think I ever heard of any space craft having thruster issues other than ones that ran out of fuel. Yet, this is the third time for Starliner to have thruster issues.
Gemini 8
Nice try.
The astronauts are stuck because the capsule is a hot pile of garbage.
Here's a thought ... keep using Starliner to ferry supplies to & from ISS until absolutely no more issues (if that ever happens). Starliner is not yet reliable nor human related!
Putting the safety of the crew in jeopardy just because of pride!🙄
And if the two get back in one piece, that will be that as no others will risk their lives
Bet NASA wished they went with the Dream chaser human rated vehicle over Boeings Starliner
To be fair, it hasn't made even a single test flight. It would be even longer if they had gone with that. As silly as it seems now, Starliner was the obvious choice back then, along with Dragon
@@notgreg123 No obvious choices. All three were firsts for each of the companies. Boeing's past 'spacecraft' were all built via merger partners. Boeing got lots of money, SpaceX got less than half Boeing did, and the Dream Chaser team was left out in the cold of the night alone. Remember, at the time nobody thought SpaceX could build a capsule, and believed that giving 'them' any money was a waste of time and effort.
NASA safely returned the crew of Apollo 13 to Earth 142 hours after launch.
They aren't as smart as they used to be.
More correctly the astronauts did the job for them
With Boeing history, you have to be one dumb astronaut.
I was thinking the same thing …I guess there is some Monetary incentive for them to have boarded ANYTHING Boeing .
Pretty sure they did not bring up enough rations for this extended stay. They must be eating into the ISS crew's rations.
+1
So... Should we buy flowers?
The astronauts are 100% dead if they ride that coffin.
A crematory.
No coffin needed. It's a flying crematory.
@@themindsojourner The super perfect way to destroy all evidences !
if thrusters fail, they'll bounce off earth's atmosphere and fly off to the abyss. Can you imagine the scandal "how do we get them back, they're flying to the moon's gravity?" Response : "we don't have the technology to get them back".
And your opinion means something because of what type engineering degrees do you have??
I don’t see Starliner going back to space anytime soon. This could be the final nail in the coffin for Boeing.
Star liner won't get above 10 feet off the ground...resting on a truck flat-bed.
It is finished with, that is for sure, even with its flight unworthiness, how the hell it got a licence for that is anyone's business, back hands, no astronaut will want to risk their lives with the thing
In Australia the quip "I aint going if it's not Boeing" is now "If its Boeing I'm not going" has taken over. What a shame that a once great company has lost its shine.
Problems were there before the launch which led to delays. Nevertheless, someone made the decision to send it up with the astronauts without ensuring all the problems were resolved. Someone's head needs to roll for that.
Not in democracies. They just resign, feign remorse and then take a vacation somewhere exotic. Zero accountability.
Let's hope Boeings pride doesn't get in the way of safety and the StarLemon doesn't become a Starcophagus. (ʘ_ʘ)
What is the point of highlighting Starliner shortcoming and inadequacy?
NASA should have make sure all the problems the Starliner is facing has been resolved and certify as safe before sending astronauts to space.
Let us hope and pray for the best outcome in the worst situation affixing Starliner problem.
Let us hope that NASA and Boeing is able to ensure the safe return of the astronauts from space.
We do not need to prolong the agony any longer.
The clock is ticking!
It is time for evacuation.
It is time to bring in SpaceX.
Another act of shame coming from Boeing. At this point, I hope the astronauts back alive and healthy despite the irresponsibility from Boeing.
BOEING's ego is going to get folks killed
That is the last time Boing is going up there, even if the two come back alive, as who the hell, after this, is going to risk their lives with this company?
Soyuz works better than Starliner , and its old .
i mean old doesn't always means it is gonne be bad... especially for most things
Its how wierd and simple this statement is and its true ... boeing trully f..ked up this one
and also just to say is that the souyz* is technically new. Just new variants
That's an over simplification. This is Starliner's first managed mission. You should research Soyuz's first mission, Soyuz 1... It ended in tragedy.
It's a reliable workhorse that has had decades of incremental improvements.
When you now know that money is more important than your life!
Wish those people the best of luck returning to earth, looks like they are really going to need it.
Ground tests can’t be carried out on Starliner until it actually returns.
Oops! Somebody@ "R&D"on the ground should have included this in their contingency plan.
[How does that saying go: Better to be on the safety of the ground, than to be out in space wishing you were back on the earth]
It's been a long time since NASA cremated astronauts.
"It should be okay to return..." just wow.
And those carnival rides should be Okay to be on.
I hate to agree, Soyuz may be an old tin can but it works safely most of the time.
IMO, this is highly politicized face-saving report Boeing quality has steadily declined since the company purchased McDonnell Douglas.
It's funny how 'that' merger went down. They kept the wonderful Boeing name and installed the failed McDonnell Douglas management to run it. MAD magazine's Alfred E. Neuman has it right: "What, me worry?"
Shouldn't they have fully understood the RCS thrusters before flight? They have had years to do this work.
It's kind of a non prediction to say that those guys will come back to Earth on Dragon.
Slight problem: none of them are ready for flight and/or already have their own missions planned
Endeavor: currently docked, not enough seats
Resilience: docking equipment removed for Polaris Dawn
Endurance: planned for crew swap, this is probably the best option by adding extra seats, but then they'd stay in space for another 6 months
Freedom: Axiom mission, not quite ready for flight yet but could bring them home sooner because of the shorter mission
Imagine the Boeing of today being like it is during WWII? We would all be speaking German 😮
If those two astronauts come back in that pile of junk we should all be holding thumbs, crossing fingers and Praying for them,
They'd rather risk lives than ask for help.
Isn’t the entire purpose of flight test to test and evaluate vehicles? Better to go slow and avoid risking lives.
NASA shouldn't be trying to bring astronauts home in that thing - it had problems before it was even launched so the astronauts should never have been sent up in that overdue, overpriced, useless thing in the first place!
Director Chloe,"Starliner is healthy."
......Then bring it back.
A thruster firing at the wrong time or not firing at the right time could cause the craft to burn up re-entering the atmosphere. it never should have launched. I don't think they can guarantee that wont happen. Thus it sits there.
They should have grabbed an Apollo capsule from a museum and launched it instead!
The starliner isn’t moving as per NASA yesterday
Starliner is beyond fixing. It has already cost way too much and is unsafe and unreliable.
Push Dream Chaser into service to fill the gap until other vehicles become available.
They'd have to crew rate it and that's a whole other process and at that point it might not even be worth it cause the ISS only has like 5 and a half years left. Sierra has already stated that they're going to continue developing a crew Dream Chaser regardless so it'll still come around eventually
NASA is desperate to save Boeing's face. Let's just hope everything works just fine for the astronauts.
What we need to remember is space x are on a given cost program, but Boeing are on a cost +. With the very tenet of space x to provide funds to go to mars and Boeing to be a successful corporation that delivers returns. It dosent take Albert Einstein to see where the differences are☺️
No, same fixed-cost program. Boeing just couldn't control its costs and is deep in the red with overruns. Boeing's problems started with the last merger.
They are aware that they are intending to fly two actual human beings through a re-entry in a KNOWN highly defective spacecraft, from the safety of a space station, with SpaceX willing to come get them in a Dragon, right? I wouldn't fly a roach in the StarLemon the way it is right now.
StarLemon LOL
If they don't get things sorted soon, Starliner will not be able to fulfill its 6 trip contract before the ISS gets decommissioned
NASA safely returned the crew of Apollo 13to Earth 142 hours after launch. Too bad they've lost quite a few brain cells.
Seems to me Elon Musk way (built a lot of test vehicles FAST and cheaply and learn from failures) is a lot better than NASA/Boeing old ways of over-engineer an expensive model and make ready to fly with minimum live testing to "save money" and reputation.
Boeing's current hiring practices are no help at all, the 737 being a prime example.
Let's hope nothing happens to the astronauts because Boeing wants to save face. 😶🌫️
Apparently the cost of each astronaut is less than half the price of launching a crew dragon. :)
How can they not already understand the thrusters? They launched a crew without understanding a critical system?
It's great that they want to learn all they can about the thrusters, but shouldn't they have done that BEFORE they launched?
I’m not an engineer BUT
HOW THE HELL can they fix ANYTHING on the starliner from EARTH ???!
Look, in Science if you do something - a test or a simple experiment, and everything goes as planned you don't learn anything; there is no opportunity for learning anything new there. However, when things don't go as planned the opportunity to learn something new is priceless.
It looks to me like they have a new addition to the space station to me.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
One poorly designed Space B&B. The rent is way too high and that piece of interesting artwork has to go.
IAM CONFIDENT SPACEX IS GOING TO BRING THEM HOME SAFE.🤲✨️🇺🇲✨️🚀✨️🧑🚀✨️👨🏾🚀✨️
Not everyone is
"As this is Starliner's third mission in soace, and its first with astronauts onboard..."
Yeah and its zeroeth with no major problems.
You'd be safer on the Starship.
Dont cry if something goes wrong
Instead we should be celebrating that ameriKKKans lost the modern space race against the Might Dragon 🇨🇳
Maybe have SpaceX make it with Starliner markings.
Ground control to Major Tom.😳
Which will be worse for Boeing, sending SpaceX to bring them back to earth, or having these two astronauts die on reentry????
Anything can fail, look at your new hi-tech car.
I still and also would be worried about the parachute problems they were having as well.
And that wonderful flammable tape on the wiring harnesses that 'was' replaced.
They gunna have to order a dragon on uber.
Spacex should build their own falcon 9 launch tower at starbase
If the ISS is charging Starliner's Batteries then WHY did they make such a shitstorm over it?
Hopefully the astronauts return safely on SL, or another craft.
Is the offline thruster the one with the helium leak?
There's more than one helium leak. But the helium isn't the problem - they have ten times the amount of helium they need to deorbit.
The issue is the thrusters. In theory they could undock from the ISS and then have no way to deorbit if enough thrusters failed.
WE ALL NEED TO PRAY FOR THEIR SAFE RETURN AS JUST NOT CONFIDENT OF BOEING.
I really hope NASA is prepared to change their agency's name to NATA (need another two astronauts) if this ends badly. This is about as smart as the flight carrying Vladimir Komarov.
On the ground testing. If it really is that valuable, why did we send a mission out to lunar orbit just to test the docking/undocking and maneuvering of the LEM and CSM? Seems kind of dumb to go to all that expense when we could have done testing in LEO or that valuable ground testing. Seriously, the ground testing is near worthless compared to gathering data during flight. NASA/NATA should tell Boeing that if they want any more missions they need a much more reliable ship within a year or pay back the 2 billion and change . . . that's the equivalent of 20 falcon heavy launches. NASA could use that for some real science, rather than designing an edsel.
We didn't send a mission out to lunar orbit just to test the docking/undocking and maneuvering of the LEM and CSM. Most of that testing was done in LEO.
Apollo 7 Manned flight to demonstrate performance and operability of the CSM.
Apollo 8 Command and service module manned flight demonstration in lunar orbit.
Apollo 9 Manned flight of the complete lunar landing mission vehicle in low Earth orbit to demonstrate operability of all the equipment and (insofar as could be done in Earth orbit) to perform the maneuvers involved in the ultimate mission.
Apollo 10 A complete mission except for the final descent to and landing on the lunar surface. The spacecrafts were named Gumdrop & Snoopy.
Apollo 11 The initial lunar landing mission. Commander Neil Armstrong and Lunar Module Pilot Buzz Aldrin landed the Apollo Lunar Module Eagle on July 20, 1969, at 20:17 UTC.
Boeing is lost in the weeds, has fallen, and can't get up. Apollo had four manned missions to test, test, and more testing along the way to the goal of landing. Boeing had two uncrewed test flights of Starliner that failed. This last flight should have been uncrewed. The only reason it docked was that it was crewed, an uncrewed capsule with major problems would have been kept out of the ISS safe zone.
... soon enough people will think ... if it Boing I ain't going ...
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
They should send the head of NASA and the CEO of Boeing up there and have them bring it back see what they say.
Didn't NASA require SpaceX to run several missions cargo only before allowing crews? Why the special treatment?
They are making lemonade, AGAIN!
I'd be worried the door would fall off during launch...
Boeing is testing after failures rather than prior to mission???? Sounds like the standard process at Boeing on all their products.
They need Real Test Pilots on missions like this...
Space exploration is still A DANGEROUS ENDEAVOR..
this is Rocket Science..
Believe it..
Or Not!!!
🐦 ❤
"conducted routine orbital plumbing and audited US stowage items in the zarya module". so... cleaned that bathroom and swept out the warehouse? Got to love make-work 😆
Enfin,ça y est.Bravo Boeing et Felicitation.
Praying God brings them home safely.
If the Starliner is in such great condition, as this video claims, why the delay in returning to Earth? This video trys to put a positive spin on this train wreck!
How about they bring it back and just "pretend" the astronauts are inside... see what happens. Meanwhile, SpaceX sends a Dragon to actually bring them home safely. Sure, study the Starliner but don't risk lives to save face.
A highlight is that the batteries are good enough to double the mission duration.
Wasn't the original mission a few days?
Yes
Boeing, the name you can trust... to fock up.
LOL, they sent up seasoned test pilots and turned them into maintenance workers…😂. Just leave the Starliner up there and Elon can deal with it when he de-orbits the ISS. 😜
Kelly Johnson said if it looks ugly it flies ugly. I wonder what Boeing would be doing under his leadership today if he were here.
They want to NOW test the thruster !!!! What are the names of all the jackasses who decided to attach a bunch of thrusters to a space craft and send it into space to do testing?!!!
Boeing is pathetic.
That is what happens when you outsource the building and testing to another company, all in the name of saving costs. Boeing has become an assembler of parts from others. Yes, they did make pretty drawings for others to build from, but Boeing failed to double-check things along the way. Why would anyone use flammable tape on wiring harnesses? Starliner looks more like a high school class project than anything else.
A big part of the problem is leadership. CEO ain’t an engineer or pilot or anything. Just a multimillionaire. Aviation and space flight deserves more than a money grubber.
As long as nobody gets in the damn thing you should be all right! I will never fly, ride in or get anywhere near anything with the Boeing label on it again! Not even a set of roller skates!! (Don't anybody allow them to build cars!)