@@gaayfaceultimate Lol yeah, I must've been testing something but forgot to change before the key, oops! Plus I didn't even have a tracker WA made for it so no clue when it procced haha.
great healing bro after playing +10 I realised how hard is to heal them. I have question why you not playing Light of the Martyr talent? before you was using it Also why you not playing Inflorescence of the Sunwell anymore?
Thanks man! Yeah they can be a challenge if your whole group isn't focusing :) Not playing LotM because I feel like I can get more damage globals / take damage talents instead. I still normally run Inflorescence of the Sunwell, just an accident this time hahaha. You might see me trying Veneration in some dungeons for more damage though, but I'll still probably default to Inflo!
I totally sympathize with your experience. Believe me, for every key I upload, there's normally several clown fiesta attempts of the same dungeon I didn't upload haha. Always try and take advantage of a successful group and ask "wanna run another?" It can feel weird sometimes (and I still struggle doing it too) but if they say yes you get to skip the LFG line and actually play the game, with people you already know are decent!
@@Jickolas That awesome m8 tnx for sharing. Even though all my keys are timed +10 and got ara kara and mist 11 and "only" need to time stonevault and grim batol left on +10. My grim batol is also 9++ and i still cant get invite. Also last night i gave it a shot in stonevault and my group kept pulling each time 3 groups and they barely used any defensive and in total we had 7 interrupts till first boss and in the end when we died on those two stone giants they blamed it on me...
@@dengo6716 Nice man! Yeah, SV and GB were the last ones I timed on 10, and then my last ones on 11 as well. Seems like that's a common theme for most people :) Sounds like you're close to getting them though! Oh god did your team double pull the 2 Rocksmashers before last boss? That's a banned pull imo - maybe super high keys are doing it but I legit never see it work out in groups without coms.
Because light of the martyr is actually a hps loss counting the absorb shields you get even when you are overhealing someone with holy shock light of the martyr is just a pad stats look at my parces build it’s actually bad right now
@@prodigyj3jessejohnson988ok I get your point, I really think that due to the new World of Glory with passive healing the absorption was not a big deal
@@MrZaczouc I ran LotM in quite a few keys this season and like you said, never really found the absorb shield to be a big issue. But, it definitely sacrifices some personal survivability, and also makes you spend more globals on healing rather than damage. I think it would be fine to run sometimes, but probably not by default/in every dungeon. Like prodigyj3jessejohnson983 said, the biggest issue is overhealing counting to the absorb. If that was changed I think it would be a lot better!
Infinite Sadness. It's hard to describe how incompetent I think the developers are for even suggesting such a random nerf. In my opinion, the main issue Blizzard is trying to address is how good Hpal is at healing super stacked raid groups with our uncapped hero talents. But instead of making the abilities work correctly and do reduced healing after X amount of targets, they pivot to a blanket nerf. Which, in the complete vacuum that is Mythic Rasha'nan, makes sense... But then you look at literally every other fight and see they're performing at or below the field's average. Or look at the wall of shaman in M+ :) The good news is that, when we need healing in m+, we're still going to have more than enough. The bad news is being out of wings is going to feel like hell. Also they're pushing lightsmith which is kinda lame... Not because I hate Lightsmith, but because Herald of the Sun has a couple talents (and animations lol) that make it awesome. Based on the backlash, I'd be surprised if they didn't walk it back tbh. It's a pretty damning situation when even the Hpal haters are confused about them getting nerfed lol. Unless they have something truly spectacular planned for the 11.0.5 talent tree to event things out (which based on the last set of changes, they don't) then we're not feeling great :( Still gunna keep playing it though... but I might start opening vault as ret just in case.
@@greatsc0tt455 Yup actually ridiculous. The hard part is that the nerf is just so random there isn't any real feedback players (or at least, I) can provide. Additionally, if they thought nerfing us (and not shaman!!!!) was the correct choice, that means any sort of buffs are completely out of the conversation. At least the play-pattern still feels good. Hope the Hpal dev doesn't find a way to ruin that :)
I don't know why I ran Power of the Silver Hand... but I don't think I'll be doing that again.
i was shocked, assuming you dropped inflorescence of the sunwell to get it
@@gaayfaceultimate Lol yeah, I must've been testing something but forgot to change before the key, oops! Plus I didn't even have a tracker WA made for it so no clue when it procced haha.
great healing bro after playing +10 I realised how hard is to heal them.
I have question why you not playing Light of the Martyr talent? before you was using it
Also why you not playing Inflorescence of the Sunwell anymore?
Thanks man! Yeah they can be a challenge if your whole group isn't focusing :)
Not playing LotM because I feel like I can get more damage globals / take damage talents instead.
I still normally run Inflorescence of the Sunwell, just an accident this time hahaha. You might see me trying Veneration in some dungeons for more damage though, but I'll still probably default to Inflo!
Idk how you make it but i have to que for 2h to get invited into a group and still i join some scuffed grp with barely no interrupts happening
I totally sympathize with your experience. Believe me, for every key I upload, there's normally several clown fiesta attempts of the same dungeon I didn't upload haha.
Always try and take advantage of a successful group and ask "wanna run another?" It can feel weird sometimes (and I still struggle doing it too) but if they say yes you get to skip the LFG line and actually play the game, with people you already know are decent!
@@Jickolas That awesome m8 tnx for sharing. Even though all my keys are timed +10 and got ara kara and mist 11 and "only" need to time stonevault and grim batol left on +10. My grim batol is also 9++ and i still cant get invite. Also last night i gave it a shot in stonevault and my group kept pulling each time 3 groups and they barely used any defensive and in total we had 7 interrupts till first boss and in the end when we died on those two stone giants they blamed it on me...
@@dengo6716 Nice man! Yeah, SV and GB were the last ones I timed on 10, and then my last ones on 11 as well. Seems like that's a common theme for most people :) Sounds like you're close to getting them though!
Oh god did your team double pull the 2 Rocksmashers before last boss? That's a banned pull imo - maybe super high keys are doing it but I legit never see it work out in groups without coms.
Why no one play Light of the Martyr in high key ?
Because light of the martyr is actually a hps loss counting the absorb shields you get even when you are overhealing someone with holy shock light of the martyr is just a pad stats look at my parces build it’s actually bad right now
@@prodigyj3jessejohnson988ok I get your point, I really think that due to the new World of Glory with passive healing the absorption was not a big deal
@@MrZaczouc I ran LotM in quite a few keys this season and like you said, never really found the absorb shield to be a big issue. But, it definitely sacrifices some personal survivability, and also makes you spend more globals on healing rather than damage. I think it would be fine to run sometimes, but probably not by default/in every dungeon.
Like prodigyj3jessejohnson983 said, the biggest issue is overhealing counting to the absorb. If that was changed I think it would be a lot better!
What’s your opinion on this upcoming nerf to hpal?
Infinite Sadness.
It's hard to describe how incompetent I think the developers are for even suggesting such a random nerf.
In my opinion, the main issue Blizzard is trying to address is how good Hpal is at healing super stacked raid groups with our uncapped hero talents. But instead of making the abilities work correctly and do reduced healing after X amount of targets, they pivot to a blanket nerf. Which, in the complete vacuum that is Mythic Rasha'nan, makes sense... But then you look at literally every other fight and see they're performing at or below the field's average. Or look at the wall of shaman in M+ :)
The good news is that, when we need healing in m+, we're still going to have more than enough. The bad news is being out of wings is going to feel like hell. Also they're pushing lightsmith which is kinda lame... Not because I hate Lightsmith, but because Herald of the Sun has a couple talents (and animations lol) that make it awesome.
Based on the backlash, I'd be surprised if they didn't walk it back tbh. It's a pretty damning situation when even the Hpal haters are confused about them getting nerfed lol. Unless they have something truly spectacular planned for the 11.0.5 talent tree to event things out (which based on the last set of changes, they don't) then we're not feeling great :(
Still gunna keep playing it though... but I might start opening vault as ret just in case.
I completely agree with everything you are saying. It’s just insane
@@Jickolas what, he nerf hpal?
@@greatsc0tt455 Yup actually ridiculous.
The hard part is that the nerf is just so random there isn't any real feedback players (or at least, I) can provide. Additionally, if they thought nerfing us (and not shaman!!!!) was the correct choice, that means any sort of buffs are completely out of the conversation.
At least the play-pattern still feels good. Hope the Hpal dev doesn't find a way to ruin that :)
@@lunar3165 Yeah, another 5% blanket healing nerf.
www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-october-8-1977124