Great video, probably one of the best I’ve seen on GNBN (long term viewer here). Also, hats of to the team behind the lens, the videography and editing is 🔥.
Without question the SL will be my next bike. Normally buy second hand but at the price of the cheapest (alloy) it’s still well specced to be upgraded easily in future. Excited!
@@Richard_Payne_GMBN I’m actually considering trading in my Orbea Rise for the Occam LT , I love the Rise but it’s getting so expensive to maintain it, what’s your opinion? Cheers 🍻
@richardpayne5176 how does this compare to the oiz.. better all day unit.. oiz seems awesome at xc racing.. this seems like a good alternative but still sporty enough
i love the raw trail commentary wish yall would include more on review videos even just immediate thoughts as if i were to be riding it down the trail keep up the great work guys love it
Loved the trail bike ride on the second day! That looked like a great time and I wished I could be there. I would probably go with the LT version because I like the shorter travel. Please do more videos like this.
Nice. My Fatbike, Salsa Mukluk hardtail excels at this kind of riding. Jumbo in the rear, very fast rolling plus the cush, and Minion FBR on the front with a Mastadon fork. Extremely capable and comfortable bike.
sponsored by Orbea much? I don't know man, GMBN is such a "commercial" channel where I just feel I can't get proper advice from. It's like watching teleshopping. Sure, nice pictures and well done filming. That's spot on.
Great video, the area looked like the back of Pen Twyn Mawr in the Black mountains starting in Crickhowell, I remember riding those hills 25 years ago on a 26er Rock lobster. Amazing place to ride. Great for bikepacking too, there is a bothy on the shores of Gwynne Fawr Resevoir.
I found it funny that Anna was on the heavier/ slower Bike and not vice versa 😅 Seven months ago I had a similar choice to make with Specialized. Do I take the Evo or the regular one. After testing both extensively I went with the S4 Stumpjumper Expert with 140mm front travel and 130mm rear. I just had overall more fun with it and it was more playful, kinda like Snowboarding is more playful to me over Skiing even though I like both. I use the flip chip and ride 90% in the high position that rises the bottom bracket 7mm and honestly make a hug difference in the overall handling compared to low. I also use lighter tires for most of my Trail riding (Ground Control T7 and Fast Trak T5). Cheers from Switzerland
Great video!, great views. Do you uploads these routes to a GMBN Strava or Kamoot it would good to see these kind of routes uploaded and see. There one where Anna did the enduro race in exmoor love to see those routes
@@323johnnybravo Sure, I've got a 160/150 Spectral myself but I honestly don't consider it a trail bike. It's closer to an enduro than trail. Sure, it climbs well but I think there is a reason why there is Spectral 125 and Neuron.
very cool video, i think both rich and anna both have such an awsome humorous personality that works so well. were both those bike 29er?s did you by chance swap bikes to see the differences in riding ?
3:07 talk about a gimmicky part, I've never felt the need to have yet another separate leaver in order to avoid.. what leaning forward ever so slightly to lock/unlock my fork??
The step from Oiz to Occam SL is much more significant than Occam LT to Rallon, the latter pair share the same head angles, and almost the same wheelbase which begs the question who will buy the Occam LT over the Rallon?
The Rallon only comes in a carbon frame option, the Occam LT in both alloy and carbon. You can buy a decently equipped alloy Occam for 3000-4000€ while it would be around a thousand more for the "equivalent" Rallon. But yeah, that's a decent question though. I own a Occam LT and wondered if I shouldn't have gone with the Rallon instead, then I was happy having an alloy frame that I can smash and ding when I fail :p
exactly! I bought LT m10 2022 last year with a discount. I first tried rallon m20 which costed about the same but had inferior components. Rallon felt slower and more massive when pedaling, the fork didn't work well with the small bumps and the shock didn't have a block at all. On the other hand, Occam was more agile and had better components, so I decided to get it, it suited my needs and felt better. But this year it doesn't make any sense to choice occam lt over rallon. It is better to find a m10 2022 rallon (the one with kashima and stuff) or even a Ltd version at a discount instead of getting a 2024 occam. It has the same geo and features
is it still worth buying a second-hand one from 2021 Occam XT in aluminon? a guy would like to sell me one of his for 1196 English pounds or 1409 Euros... is this a good deal? his bikes look like he really cared for it... what are you main differences with the new 2024 one? thanks for getting back and thanks for a nice channel!
While I'm sure, that "hitting a downhill trail' is quite fun, I'm not up to it. Personally, I'm more on the endurance side and the calm adventuring. But I'm unable to choose between those bikes. I mean... This is great that we can choose from a wide spectrum of specialized machines, but honestly, the differences between them are so minute and the overlap between their capabilities is so huge, that this doesn't really matter to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I feel about this.
There's a signpost for Llanfoist in there as well if that helps. There's hundreds and hundreds of niles to ride in this area with the similar scenery and the same kinds of trails.
The tyres, brakes and dropper posts have multiple drop down options on the site to manipulate the platform towards down country or trail setup. Nothing dodgy there
Ordered a Sl M10 through a bike dealer here in Germany. Some Magazines claim a weight of 12.3 kg, which seems reasonable since the ltd version is supposedly coming all the way down to 10.8kg. Now, that I paid for Brakes and Rims extra 1000€ to shave a few more grams off the 12.3 kg, the bike arrived and weight in at 13.6kg. Asking Orbea if there is anything that I can do to get to 12.3 kg or below, they simply say that they don’t claim the 12.3 kg and it it’s to complicated to calculate. No help at all! I change now to Schwalbe from Maxxis. But I am sure that won’t do the job. On a side note, I have a frame in L. So that can make a slight difference. And I opted out for carbon red. Different paint has different weight they say. But that much? 7000€ for a “heavy”- SL bike. I can only say that i am very sad saving up for that bike. Canyon e.g. has a bike (they seem to be able to calculate) similar specs. 12.8kg 5500€. Well if you are in for the weight, or consider that a decision making factor. Be aware!!! For me it’s really important.😢
@@erni313 o.k. i get your point. But:- It makes a difference, depending where on the bike you put that weight. Like the wheels for example. - when does it make a difference to you? 400g, 600g, or 734g maybe? - even if it’s less than 400grams and subtle. Why don’t they tell that red is heavier than blue or whatever! It’s 7 grand for the bike I configurated. -overall difference was more than 1kg. way heavier than expected. - then I still take a waterbottle with me and a lock and… (nothing to do with the manufacturer) but it still ads up. That’s why I ordered a light weight bike in the first place. - if it doesn’t matter, then there is no point of building lightweight -Orbea knows the weight of every single component. But they can’t calculate the weight??? - I asked Orbea how to achieve the 12,3 kg mentioned in several Magazines and test, since number is out there. They can’t tell me. Or won’t help! -I am riding a Aluminium Hardtail with 11kg including a lock. The lock weighs only 600g, but certainly sth. you feel. Especially riding for a few hours. Would you have bought the bike?
A Normal oiz will handle of most of the stuff they have ridden or even Orbea Alma whit dropper and maby a bigger fork uselss marketing crap and product pleasing,
Great to see non park ride. Thank you.
Great video, probably one of the best I’ve seen on GNBN (long term viewer here).
Also, hats of to the team behind the lens, the videography and editing is 🔥.
Cheers buddy was a good couple days and yeah the camera man always deserve a pat on the back for sure
Without question the SL will be my next bike. Normally buy second hand but at the price of the cheapest (alloy) it’s still well specced to be upgraded easily in future. Excited!
I agree, I need to get out and do more riding like this! I can’t imagine how hot those mugs were after being on the burner for a while
Love these of outdoor adventures. Trail bikes are boss. Great video gmbn 👊🏻
Anna and Rich that was so good,awesome bikes and how good was the country side.That was great to watch.
Cheers ma dude glad you enjoyed it 👊
@@Richard_Payne_GMBN I’m actually considering trading in my Orbea Rise for the Occam LT , I love the Rise but it’s getting so expensive to maintain it, what’s your opinion?
Cheers 🍻
@richardpayne5176 how does this compare to the oiz.. better all day unit.. oiz seems awesome at xc racing.. this seems like a good alternative but still sporty enough
The bike is beautiful enough said the info is just bonus
i love the raw trail commentary wish yall would include more on review videos even just immediate thoughts as if i were to be riding it down the trail keep up the great work guys love it
Loved the trail bike ride on the second day! That looked like a great time and I wished I could be there. I would probably go with the LT version because I like the shorter travel. Please do more videos like this.
Nice. My Fatbike, Salsa Mukluk hardtail excels at this kind of riding. Jumbo in the rear, very fast rolling plus the cush, and Minion FBR on the front with a Mastadon fork. Extremely capable and comfortable bike.
sponsored by Orbea much?
I don't know man, GMBN is such a "commercial" channel where I just feel I can't get proper advice from. It's like watching teleshopping.
Sure, nice pictures and well done filming. That's spot on.
But neither of them was really enthusiastic.... 😋
Great video, the area looked like the back of Pen Twyn Mawr in the Black mountains starting in Crickhowell, I remember riding those hills 25 years ago on a 26er Rock lobster. Amazing place to ride. Great for bikepacking too, there is a bothy on the shores of Gwynne Fawr Resevoir.
I found it funny that Anna was on the heavier/ slower Bike and not vice versa 😅
Seven months ago I had a similar choice to make with Specialized. Do I take the Evo or the regular one.
After testing both extensively I went with the S4 Stumpjumper Expert with 140mm front travel and 130mm rear. I just had overall more fun with it and it was more playful, kinda like Snowboarding is more playful to me over Skiing even though I like both.
I use the flip chip and ride 90% in the high position that rises the bottom bracket 7mm and honestly make a hug difference in the overall handling compared to low.
I also use lighter tires for most of my Trail riding (Ground Control T7 and Fast Trak T5).
Cheers from Switzerland
140-140. Don’t really see myself ever needing more.
Great video!, great views. Do you uploads these routes to a GMBN Strava or Kamoot it would good to see these kind of routes uploaded and see. There one where Anna did the enduro race in exmoor love to see those routes
Love the bike, just picked up a 2023 leftover Occam h20 eagle. Great bike
Any chance you guys can publish the routes you took? This looked like an epic and fun time.
160/150 is a trail bike now? People race enduro on that travel.
My dream bike is a 160/160 that can climb all day and shred the downhill. Looks like Orbea is giving the people what they want
@@323johnnybravo Sure, I've got a 160/150 Spectral myself but I honestly don't consider it a trail bike. It's closer to an enduro than trail. Sure, it climbs well but I think there is a reason why there is Spectral 125 and Neuron.
I’ve watched some pro enduro riders that will race 130mm trail bikes for enduro races with more peddling involved.
You can race enduro on 140 travel at both end, it all depends on how much abuse you're willing to take 😂
@@letour32rrseriously some amateur Enduro courses could be won on a very mild trail bike, terrain dictate what u need
Would there be any chance of showing the route you took on this ride?
Great video, trail ridding is my preferred discipline for sure. I just love getting way out in the ass end of nowhere..
Very beautiful video.
For long ride with balance ascending and descending I will choose SL, for short ride and more descending I will choose LT.
2 Versatile Horses For 2 Awesome Courses 🐎🐴
to me a beefy xc bike should be able to do it all, even the megavalanche so I would take the SL with less travel
very cool video, i think both rich and anna both have such an awsome humorous personality that works so well. were both those bike 29er?s did you by chance swap bikes to see the differences in riding ?
У них очень разные размеры рамы у неё S у него L! Поменяться они не могли))
Sooo beautiful bikes and trail
What year did they stop putting in the aluminum bolt that was prone to snapping on the rear shock? Or are they still using an aluminum bolt?
Can't believe you guys ride that kind of trails without gloves.
3:07 talk about a gimmicky part, I've never felt the need to have yet another separate leaver in order to avoid.. what leaning forward ever so slightly to lock/unlock my fork??
The step from Oiz to Occam SL is much more significant than Occam LT to Rallon, the latter pair share the same head angles, and almost the same wheelbase which begs the question who will buy the Occam LT over the Rallon?
The Rallon only comes in a carbon frame option, the Occam LT in both alloy and carbon. You can buy a decently equipped alloy Occam for 3000-4000€ while it would be around a thousand more for the "equivalent" Rallon.
But yeah, that's a decent question though. I own a Occam LT and wondered if I shouldn't have gone with the Rallon instead, then I was happy having an alloy frame that I can smash and ding when I fail :p
exactly! I bought LT m10 2022 last year with a discount. I first tried rallon m20 which costed about the same but had inferior components. Rallon felt slower and more massive when pedaling, the fork didn't work well with the small bumps and the shock didn't have a block at all. On the other hand, Occam was more agile and had better components, so I decided to get it, it suited my needs and felt better. But this year it doesn't make any sense to choice occam lt over rallon. It is better to find a m10 2022 rallon (the one with kashima and stuff) or even a Ltd version at a discount instead of getting a 2024 occam. It has the same geo and features
Yes anywhere big!
They look so amazing!! Are they too expensive?
is it still worth buying a second-hand one from 2021 Occam XT in aluminon?
a guy would like to sell me one of his for 1196 English pounds or 1409 Euros...
is this a good deal? his bikes look like he really cared for it...
what are you main differences with the new 2024 one? thanks for getting back and thanks for a nice channel!
Is there gona be a 2024 orbea rise soon??
Loooads of online discounts right now
what model of occam are these as you appear to have h30 h20 h10 etc when looking on sites.
Anyone know what orange and purple jackets theyve got on?
There both Danishes jackets we’re in buddy
Great video! Only the price is 10k...
What’s price of Anna’s bike please ?
How big is that millionaire shortbread with marshmallows!!!!!!
Not big enough 😂😂😂
I wanna know wth is rich eating towards the end??
How tall is Rich?
10:07 I don’t think those chinesium mugs are meant for stovetop use.
But it worked didn’t it 😎
It sure did 😂
While I'm sure, that "hitting a downhill trail' is quite fun, I'm not up to it. Personally, I'm more on the endurance side and the calm adventuring. But I'm unable to choose between those bikes. I mean... This is great that we can choose from a wide spectrum of specialized machines, but honestly, the differences between them are so minute and the overlap between their capabilities is so huge, that this doesn't really matter to me. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I feel about this.
🔥
gives me FH4 vibes
Where in wales is this? 🙌
Black mountains somewhere, tho dont recognize where exactly..
The pub is The Red Lion in Llanbedr which is just north east of Crickhowell.
Start of the video is Keepers pond on the Blorenge
There's a signpost for Llanfoist in there as well if that helps. There's hundreds and hundreds of niles to ride in this area with the similar scenery and the same kinds of trails.
Not in association with… but sponsored by!
what views!
Beautiful video. I want to know what Rich was eating! Looked yummy
Just a holiday video with about 2 minutes of talk about the actual bikes.
What is that thing that Rich is eating?!
You know the bikes were manipulated when they're running yellow maxxis sidewalls
No, although some new bikes come with white Maxxis logos, many ship with normal yellow logos including all orbea’s with Maxxis
Wonder if they fixed that shock bolt that was snapping on the previous model
Another bike ruined with through headset cable routing 😢
The tyres, brakes and dropper posts have multiple drop down options on the site to manipulate the platform towards down country or trail setup. Nothing dodgy there
My previous gen Occam came with Maxxis tires with the yellow letters
Ordered a Sl M10 through a bike dealer here in Germany.
Some Magazines claim a weight of 12.3 kg, which seems reasonable since the ltd version is supposedly coming all the way down to 10.8kg.
Now, that I paid for Brakes and Rims extra 1000€ to shave a few more grams off the 12.3 kg, the bike arrived and weight in at 13.6kg.
Asking Orbea if there is anything that I can do to get to 12.3 kg or below, they simply say that they don’t claim the 12.3 kg and it it’s to complicated to calculate. No help at all!
I change now to Schwalbe from Maxxis. But I am sure that won’t do the job.
On a side note, I have a frame in L. So that can make a slight difference. And I opted out for carbon red. Different paint has different weight they say. But that much?
7000€ for a “heavy”- SL bike.
I can only say that i am very sad saving up for that bike.
Canyon e.g. has a bike (they seem to be able to calculate) similar specs. 12.8kg 5500€.
Well if you are in for the weight, or consider that a decision making factor. Be aware!!!
For me it’s really important.😢
How will 400g change your ride though? Even if you were a racer your performance would be barely if not noticeable at all.
@@erni313 o.k. i get your point.
But:- It makes a difference, depending where on the bike you put that weight. Like the wheels for example.
- when does it make a difference to you? 400g, 600g, or 734g maybe?
- even if it’s less than 400grams and subtle. Why don’t they tell that red is heavier than blue or whatever! It’s 7 grand for the bike I configurated.
-overall difference was more than 1kg. way heavier than expected.
- then I still take a waterbottle with me and a lock and… (nothing to do with the manufacturer) but it still ads up. That’s why I ordered a light weight bike in the first place.
- if it doesn’t matter, then there is no point of building lightweight
-Orbea knows the weight of every single component. But they can’t calculate the weight???
- I asked Orbea how to achieve the 12,3 kg mentioned in several Magazines and test, since number is out there. They can’t tell me. Or won’t help!
-I am riding a Aluminium Hardtail with 11kg including a lock. The lock weighs only 600g, but certainly sth. you feel. Especially riding for a few hours.
Would you have bought the bike?
To me Orbea bikes come of as very posh.
Not trail at 160.
A Normal oiz will handle of most of the stuff they have ridden or even Orbea Alma whit dropper and maby a bigger fork uselss marketing crap and product pleasing,