Great video, Jon! Post-Black was my gateway sub-genre to other forms of more "traditional" Black Metal (first and second waves bands, more precisely). I still listen to it to this day and still get excited with the new releases from my favorite bands, like Alcest and Unrequited. I can say that listening to Post-Black Metal doesn't interfere with my appreciation of the First and Second Wave bands (I can jam Ultar and Au Dessus in the same playlist as Immortal and Emperor, and frankly I see no problem nor contradiction in doing that). I really don't understand why Second Wave listeners should feel so threatened by a style that only seeks to enlarge and expand the scope of the whole sub-genre. As you very well put it, Post Black Metal does not present a criticism to nor a devaluation of F-SW Black Metal. It is still pretty much Black Metal, but only going to new directions and exploring uncharted territories. It should be seen as a world of its own, with a distinct sound and presentation, and proper lyrical themes Anyway, thanks again for the great content (as always). I will be looking forward to your Harakiri for the Sky review. :)
Alcest, Sylvaine, Svalbard, Précipices, Harakiri for the Sky, White Ward, Les Discrets, Asunojokei, Deafheaven, Bosse-De-Nage, Downfall of Gaia, Ellende, Karg, Numenorean, Oathbreaker, Regarde les Hommes Tomber, Respire…. I hope that helps for people who wants to dive in the world of Post-Black Metal 🤘🤘
On that note, I think it would totally groovy if you did a vid about Dimmu's lyrics, their transition from angry Satanic philosophy to a sort of Satanic/Eastern philosophy hybrid with elements of new age stuff too.
What an incredible time to be a music fan. I mentioned on Threads how I am rather new to extreme metal and I am coming into black metal at this post-black metal stage and I am just absorbing it all. Great video as always.
Black Metal is one of my favorite genres in metal. Love the raw sounds bands' older records, but Post black metal has really grown on me and i can't get enough. I've been jamming a lot of Black N Roll recently too. I love how Black Metal has evolved over time.
I'm not a black metal guy at all, but I recently stumbled across some surprisingly beautiful examples of it that are changing my mind. I don't know what subgenre bands like Amiensus, Les Discrets, or Alcest are, but I'm obsessed with the sound. (I didn't even know they were black metal, until I saw the comment section.) I also enjoy Folterkammer, for multiple reasons. Lol. I always thought all black metal was going to be tinny, underproduced lofi gagging sounds, but clearly it's just as diverse a genre as the others.
Yes! It seems like I do a lot of criticizing black metal but it's really only a very small subset. IMO of all the genres black metal has the tallest ceiling for being high art. It also has the lowest floor. As you said it's a diverse genre. 🤘🤘
Duncan Hills better be opening the coffers for that plug! Or even just a supply of beans. Really appreciate the insight, would love to see this become a series on other sub-genres!
Mapping out the divisions between different subgenres always feels like tracking cellular divisions and tracing genetic inheritance. Great video brother! Keep the content rolling!
Great video, and thanks for making. Post black it my favorite sub genre and I feel like what makes it unique is not talked about enough in journalism. I feel like the movement is relevant to the evolution of heavy music as people start to seek more themes and listening experiences than brutal aggression and despair.
Post metal elements has now also found it's way into death metal, case in point the new Ulcerate album. And that fact didn't make 'Cutting the Throat of God' any less brutal or devastating, it just brought yet another sonic color to their pallette of extreme metal excellence.. 🤗👌
Thanks for posting this topic Jon! Im all about post BM and I get a lot haters on my channel saying im a poser because the bands I like which are bands like DFHVN, Alcest, and Svalbard. Although, Im like "aren't posers are ppl who don't put in the work and dress like it'? well these post BM bands are putting in the work and Im loving it. Cheers!
I don't understand the poser thing. Who is posing as a metalhead? Of all the things to pose as, why such a niche and unpopular group? I don't believe there is any such thing as posers. Some people are casual fans so maybe relative to hardcore lifers they might seem like a poser, but I have never met anyone that pretends to like metal. For what purpose?
I really like post-BM, because thanks to Alcest, for example, I returned to listening to metal, after being tired of metal for several years. There are quite a few fantastic post-BM bands, however, I particularly like (except, of course, for the most well-known ones): - Olhava; - Show me a Dinosaur; - Sylvaine; - Nature Morte; - Asunojokei - Acethexis (if this is post-BM); Nice episode, greetings from Poland!
I recently had a Post Black Metal band reach out to me to review their album. It's an unsigned band called Askelad. I had no idea what Post Black Metal was until I did some research myself. Interesting genre
Hoping Duncan Hills coffee gets you free java for the plug. -11° actual temperature in Omaha this a.m. however no snow. And the nice thing is: don't have to shovel the cold. Thanks always Jon. 💯
I was turned on to Deafheaven by a metalhead friend before I even understood what black metal was, let alone post-black. Sunbather made a big impression on me. I'm not sure I am into all of the bands - as different as they are - to call myself a fan of the subgenre (or is it a sub-subgenre?) but I did like the previous (not the newest!) Gaerea record, I mentioned Agriculture in another post here before. What the heck is Zeal & Ardor if not trying to move beyond ("post-") black metal while still calling on some of its tropes as inspiration? (Let's not talk about their newest record either, which has barely a trace of black metal on it...!) For me, that guy is doing the most exciting stuff on the self-titled record. I don't have a lot of feelings about most of the stylistic things that characterize post-black lately, which seem like just black metal plus shoegaze. One interesting band that I recently discovered was Oranssi Pazuzu - a very strange hybrid of psychedelic rock, trip-hop, and black metal-y soundscapes. That's pretty far out, and it has very evil sounding moments... is it post-? Or is it throwing the baby out with the black metal?
Great points. I've said before that while black metal has the lowest floor of all the genres it also has the highest ceiling and is most capable of being high art. The amount of directions and bands you mention is a testament to that. 🤘🤘
I dig your channel, Jon, and your cogent take on metal genres. No one should be held to any restrictions or "rules." That's not metal at all. Do as thou wilt.
I'm not too big on post bm, but Lantlôs is probably my favorite. Or at least their first 3 albums. First album leans more into a heavier sound, while the following two have more of what's expected from the genre and even has Neige of Alcest on vocals. I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to black metal though.
Great video thanks! Very informative. Interesting that there is not a post Death Metal movement yet lol and what would that sound like? Unless it already happened with Death"s human album that was more technical and the lyrics where not about zombies and slasher movies lol. Or was it Death and Roll that was spearheaded by Entombed, Carcass and Gorefest?
Thank you! Great question. I'm not sure that there is a proper "post" movement happening in death metal, but there are some interesting branches. Bands like Terminal Nation are incorporating hardcore and touching social issues. Rivers of Nihil are going super prog. Ulcerate is super heady and artsy. Ulcerate might be the closest.
8:40 I understand where you are comming from but imagine a band with pink clothes and lyrics about holydays and summer, not something I want in this genre.
Did you ever have the chance to read the Liturgy head's Trancendental Black Metal manifesto? I don't really rate it highly but I respect it quite a bit for having something approaching a coherent philosophical,approach to music and spirituality.
I remember how back in the day the term was used for second wave BM bands that ditched all the cliches and brought in a lot of other influences. I especially admired Manes who were mediocre BM act but turned great afterwards. But many of them went too far and now they are all in experimental/avant-garde boxes, sometimes not even labeled as metal at all. Kinda reminds me of how death metal was born - when we heard Possessed's Seven churches, it definitely was "new genre", listening to it nowadays, I don't hear it, it's just regular thrash.
Yeah, I remember seeing the term in the early 2000's being used for bands like Arcturus, Solefald, and Sigh. It previously was used to describe avant-garde metal bands, but now seems to be used to describe bands with shoegaze & post-rock influences.
I have always struggled with the "post" genres cause outside of a few, they always sound like they picked up one thing from the genre and went their own way, so I always wonder why even describe it as post and not just a different thing? But your explanation cleared things up for a lot of why. You almost lost me when I thought you were gonna say campy Immortal has no place in black metal but you didn't go that far.
My favorite post black metal bands would be the more absurd mish mashes of genres...bands that incorporate black metal into their unique aesthetic but are too weird to even be "post" anything. Bands like Hail Spirit Noir, Black Magick SS, Oranssi Pazuzu, etc...
Thanks for again touching on the philosophical side of music. Fair warning: I'm about to go on a casual diatribe, of sorts. In my opinion, you hit the proverbial nail on the head... "Lucifer just doesn't seem that dangerous anymore. It's US that we gotta worry about." It has been US all along, I feel. #Satan is merely the intriguing premier fictional antagonist appearing in a compendium of 66 separate manuscripts, which were later compiled together and published as "one book" (in Christianity, anyway). Evil has always been a part of human nature. Religion appeared as a reflection of ourselves from a desire to label behavior, then attempt to control that behavior by instilling fear in those primitive peoples who were first introduced to the concepts of gods, demons, etc. "Heaven" and "Hell" exist right here on Gaia. They are the intellectual manifestations of our own deepest primal urges to experience joy, peace, chaos, dread, etc. Each of these urges stems from a desire to experience "feelings." Pain and pleasure, fear and love... these things offer an emotional reward. That's why we doom scroll. It makes us angry, but humans just like 'feeling,' whether it's good or bad. Anyway... keep doing what you're doing. You are basically my sole (and soul) source for finding new heavy music.
Well said. I recently came to that same conclusion about doom scrolling. I literally thought to myself "I'm putting myself in hell!" You saying that is like a reaffirmation. On the one hand, I'd love it if more people came to that conclusion, but on the other I also worry about the other end of the spectrum... there's a ton of people completely uninformed. So I don't want to encourage anyone to "don't watch the news!"
Ok, honestly, like the take, but I usually just see it as black metal that incorporates elements of post-rock and post-metal with some shoegaze and ambient here and there, but that's just me I guess! 🤷♂️😅
I don't follow the use of "post" in any genre. I inevitably find the person who uses it with any seriousness to be repugnant. 🤣 Present company excluded of course. lol
I find Black Metal silly and annoying. No, I do not hate black metal purists. (They might hate me? 🤷♂️) I respect black metal for what it did sonically and culturally, but I cannot take black metal seriously. There's 2 reasons. 1) I am a Christian. No, my faith does not limit what I listen to. But how many times do you have to hear someone say, "Hail, Satan", when your beliefs are directly contrary to that, before you get turned off? (Yes, I realize a lot of that was a joke or theatrics or meant more to target the Catholic Church and as a way to protest historical and current church abuses. But it wears thin after awhile.) 2) I just don't like the guitar tone. A lot of black metal bands seem to do everything they can to make their guitars sound like absolute garbage.
I think your limitation is a little narrow viewed and outdated by time. What I mean by this is that so many post-black metal groups now have moved beyond the satanic themes. There are now albums about Tolkien (Dwarrowdelf), nature (Blackbraid), philosophy, space, science fiction and even history and many other topics dealing with mortality and even love (Unreqvited). Your 2nd point sure that occurs and has occurred, but now there are so many groups with incredible production value. Adding many elements outside of what you describe including violins and piano. It is a very emotionally and musically deep genre of music.
@@acaDamiens , I was talking about BLACK METAL, specifically the Second Wave, not about POST-Black Metal. What could arguably be called the Third or Fourth Wave of Black Metal (depending on who you talk to, but definitely separate from Post-black metal) has also moved beyond the Satanic themes and beyond trying to sound like garbage.
Great video, Jon! Post-Black was my gateway sub-genre to other forms of more "traditional" Black Metal (first and second waves bands, more precisely). I still listen to it to this day and still get excited with the new releases from my favorite bands, like Alcest and Unrequited.
I can say that listening to Post-Black Metal doesn't interfere with my appreciation of the First and Second Wave bands (I can jam Ultar and Au Dessus in the same playlist as Immortal and Emperor, and frankly I see no problem nor contradiction in doing that).
I really don't understand why Second Wave listeners should feel so threatened by a style that only seeks to enlarge and expand the scope of the whole sub-genre. As you very well put it, Post Black Metal does not present a criticism to nor a devaluation of F-SW Black Metal. It is still pretty much Black Metal, but only going to new directions and exploring uncharted territories. It should be seen as a world of its own, with a distinct sound and presentation, and proper lyrical themes
Anyway, thanks again for the great content (as always). I will be looking forward to your Harakiri for the Sky review. :)
Thank you! Very well said. 🙏🤘
🖤🖤🖤
It's like Bill died and Ted went full metal head. Love the channel!
😆 nooooooo!! Bill!!!
Alcest, Sylvaine, Svalbard, Précipices, Harakiri for the Sky, White Ward, Les Discrets, Asunojokei, Deafheaven, Bosse-De-Nage, Downfall of Gaia, Ellende, Karg, Numenorean, Oathbreaker, Regarde les Hommes Tomber, Respire…. I hope that helps for people who wants to dive in the world of Post-Black Metal 🤘🤘
Excellent list! I also love all of Ellende's album art.
On that note, I think it would totally groovy if you did a vid about Dimmu's lyrics, their transition from angry Satanic philosophy to a sort of Satanic/Eastern philosophy hybrid with elements of new age stuff too.
Ooohh. Great suggestion. They are in studio so perhaps around the time of the album release. 🤔 Thanks! 🙏🤘
What an incredible time to be a music fan. I mentioned on Threads how I am rather new to extreme metal and I am coming into black metal at this post-black metal stage and I am just absorbing it all. Great video as always.
Right?! Thank you! 🤘🙏
Enjoy the ride and don’t anyone tell you what is or is not cool.
Black Metal is one of my favorite genres in metal. Love the raw sounds bands' older records, but Post black metal has really grown on me and i can't get enough. I've been jamming a lot of Black N Roll recently too. I love how Black Metal has evolved over time.
Yes! Love black n roll and blackened heavy metal like Nite. 🤘🤘
I'm not a black metal guy at all, but I recently stumbled across some surprisingly beautiful examples of it that are changing my mind. I don't know what subgenre bands like Amiensus, Les Discrets, or Alcest are, but I'm obsessed with the sound. (I didn't even know they were black metal, until I saw the comment section.) I also enjoy Folterkammer, for multiple reasons. Lol.
I always thought all black metal was going to be tinny, underproduced lofi gagging sounds, but clearly it's just as diverse a genre as the others.
Yes! It seems like I do a lot of criticizing black metal but it's really only a very small subset. IMO of all the genres black metal has the tallest ceiling for being high art. It also has the lowest floor. As you said it's a diverse genre. 🤘🤘
There's still so much for me to learn... Thanks for helping me down the road!
Glad to be of service. Thank you! 🙏🤘
Duncan Hills better be opening the coffers for that plug! Or even just a supply of beans. Really appreciate the insight, would love to see this become a series on other sub-genres!
I'll give Metalocalypse a shout for free any chance I get! 😁🤘🤘
@ I have only just started watching! Only 3 episodes in and loving it 🤘
Seeing Harakiri For The Sky in April. Looking forward to it.
I'm a little jealous! 🤘🤘
Jealous too
Mapping out the divisions between different subgenres always feels like tracking cellular divisions and tracing genetic inheritance. Great video brother! Keep the content rolling!
Whoa! Very cool comparison. Thank you. 🙏🤘
From one metal loving Jon to another. I really appreciate your videos. Please keep up the great work, sir!
Thank you! 🙏😆
I was waiting for Deafheaven. Great album, but my personal favorite is New Bermuda.
Gonna have to check them out. Thanks! 🤘🙏
Great video, and thanks for making. Post black it my favorite sub genre and I feel like what makes it unique is not talked about enough in journalism. I feel like the movement is relevant to the evolution of heavy music as people start to seek more themes and listening experiences than brutal aggression and despair.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Dawn Treader - Bloom & Decay single-handedly sucked me into pbm.
One of my album arts of the week last year. Incredible stuff! 🤘🤘
Nice video 🤘🏽.. long time ago my first band of post BM was Der Weg einer Freiheit . 🤘🏽🔥🤘🏽 now there are more bands
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Post metal elements has now also found it's way into death metal, case in point the new Ulcerate album. And that fact didn't make 'Cutting the Throat of God' any less brutal or devastating, it just brought yet another sonic color to their pallette of extreme metal excellence.. 🤗👌
Wow, great point! 🤘🤘
Someone just showed me Mol earlier this week. They're really good. The Jord album is my favorite right now.
Yes!! 🤘🤘
Thank you for another great upload, i love hearing your philosophical take.
Thank you!! 🙏🤘
Thanks for posting this topic Jon! Im all about post BM and I get a lot haters on my channel saying im a poser because the bands I like which are bands like DFHVN, Alcest, and Svalbard. Although, Im like "aren't posers are ppl who don't put in the work and dress like it'? well these post BM bands are putting in the work and Im loving it. Cheers!
I don't understand the poser thing. Who is posing as a metalhead? Of all the things to pose as, why such a niche and unpopular group? I don't believe there is any such thing as posers. Some people are casual fans so maybe relative to hardcore lifers they might seem like a poser, but I have never met anyone that pretends to like metal. For what purpose?
@ something about those BM elitists 😝
I really like post-BM, because thanks to Alcest, for example, I returned to listening to metal, after being tired of metal for several years. There are quite a few fantastic post-BM bands, however, I particularly like (except, of course, for the most well-known ones):
- Olhava;
- Show me a Dinosaur;
- Sylvaine;
- Nature Morte;
- Asunojokei
- Acethexis (if this is post-BM);
Nice episode, greetings from Poland!
Thank you! 🙏🤘🇵🇱
asunojokei, show me a dinosaur and, sylvaine are top tier.
unreqvited and violet could also belong in that list
I hope Iotunn's new album paves the way for more clean vocals in post black metal ~
Yes but not too much more! 😆🤘🤘
Kidding of course. No rules!
Love your show, man. Thanks
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Nice shirt man.
Thank you! I got it from them when they were touring with Rotting Christ 😁🤘🤘
I recently had a Post Black Metal band reach out to me to review their album. It's an unsigned band called Askelad. I had no idea what Post Black Metal was until I did some research myself. Interesting genre
Very cool. Seems like a lot of this stuff is coming out Germany and Austria. 🤘🤘
@heavymetalphilosophy Yes sir. Askelad is from Germany 🤘
Best Metal channel 🤘
Thank you! 🙏🤘
An excellent clarification.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Hoping Duncan Hills coffee gets you free java for the plug.
-11° actual temperature in Omaha this a.m. however no snow. And the nice thing is: don't have to shovel the cold.
Thanks always Jon. 💯
"We're here to make coffee metal! Blacker than the blackest black!" ☕🤘🤘
I was turned on to Deafheaven by a metalhead friend before I even understood what black metal was, let alone post-black. Sunbather made a big impression on me. I'm not sure I am into all of the bands - as different as they are - to call myself a fan of the subgenre (or is it a sub-subgenre?) but I did like the previous (not the newest!) Gaerea record, I mentioned Agriculture in another post here before. What the heck is Zeal & Ardor if not trying to move beyond ("post-") black metal while still calling on some of its tropes as inspiration? (Let's not talk about their newest record either, which has barely a trace of black metal on it...!) For me, that guy is doing the most exciting stuff on the self-titled record. I don't have a lot of feelings about most of the stylistic things that characterize post-black lately, which seem like just black metal plus shoegaze. One interesting band that I recently discovered was Oranssi Pazuzu - a very strange hybrid of psychedelic rock, trip-hop, and black metal-y soundscapes. That's pretty far out, and it has very evil sounding moments... is it post-? Or is it throwing the baby out with the black metal?
Great points. I've said before that while black metal has the lowest floor of all the genres it also has the highest ceiling and is most capable of being high art. The amount of directions and bands you mention is a testament to that. 🤘🤘
I dig your channel, Jon, and your cogent take on metal genres. No one should be held to any restrictions or "rules." That's not metal at all. Do as thou wilt.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
but can you read the logo?!
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Perfectly stated. I often watch your videos prepared to disagree with you, but i rarely ever do.
That's a high compliment. Thank you! 🙏🤘
I'm not too big on post bm, but Lantlôs is probably my favorite. Or at least their first 3 albums. First album leans more into a heavier sound, while the following two have more of what's expected from the genre and even has Neige of Alcest on vocals. I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to black metal though.
Gonna have to check that first album out. You say heavier sound and I'm in! 🤘🤘
Great video thanks! Very informative. Interesting that there is not a post Death Metal movement yet lol and what would that sound like? Unless it already happened with Death"s human album that was more technical and the lyrics where not about zombies and slasher movies lol. Or was it Death and Roll that was spearheaded by Entombed, Carcass and Gorefest?
Thank you! Great question. I'm not sure that there is a proper "post" movement happening in death metal, but there are some interesting branches. Bands like Terminal Nation are incorporating hardcore and touching social issues. Rivers of Nihil are going super prog. Ulcerate is super heady and artsy. Ulcerate might be the closest.
Altar of Plagues has to be my favorite other than Spectral Lore or Mare Cognitum
I've recently been listening to a lot of Enisum and Amiensus, which Idk how to specifically relate to typical BM.
Amiensus!!! 🤘🤘
8:40
I understand where you are comming from but imagine a band with pink clothes and lyrics about holydays and summer, not something I want in this genre.
If I look at Death Metal, bands like Party Cannon are kinda weird. I like that. Gimme weird stuff. But I'm also glad that they are the minority.
Did you ever have the chance to read the Liturgy head's Trancendental Black Metal manifesto? I don't really rate it highly but I respect it quite a bit for having something approaching a coherent philosophical,approach to music and spirituality.
I have not. When I google it, this is what comes up. Is this it?
pitchfork.com/features/article/9608-the-liturgy-manifesto/
I remember how back in the day the term was used for second wave BM bands that ditched all the cliches and brought in a lot of other influences. I especially admired Manes who were mediocre BM act but turned great afterwards. But many of them went too far and now they are all in experimental/avant-garde boxes, sometimes not even labeled as metal at all. Kinda reminds me of how death metal was born - when we heard Possessed's Seven churches, it definitely was "new genre", listening to it nowadays, I don't hear it, it's just regular thrash.
Yep, not to be that guy, but more recent Deafheaven doesn't seem very metal to me anymore either.
Yeah, I remember seeing the term in the early 2000's being used for bands like Arcturus, Solefald, and Sigh. It previously was used to describe avant-garde metal bands, but now seems to be used to describe bands with shoegaze & post-rock influences.
@@heavymetalphilosophy music is either good or bad (and that is highly subjective) - it doesn't really matter if it's labeled metal or not.
@ At the end of the day, yes I agree with you. For a nerd like myself I also enjoy analysis 🤷🤘
I have always struggled with the "post" genres cause outside of a few, they always sound like they picked up one thing from the genre and went their own way, so I always wonder why even describe it as post and not just a different thing? But your explanation cleared things up for a lot of why. You almost lost me when I thought you were gonna say campy Immortal has no place in black metal but you didn't go that far.
Give me Immortal campy all day 😁
Abbath does indeed rule! 🤘🤘
There can never be enough choruses about Satan! 😈🖤
😆😈🤘🤘
Black Metal is supposed to challenge the norms and this means to challenge your own norms too.
And humans fear nothing more than themselves.
💯🤘
My favorite post black metal bands would be the more absurd mish mashes of genres...bands that incorporate black metal into their unique aesthetic but are too weird to even be "post" anything. Bands like Hail Spirit Noir, Black Magick SS, Oranssi Pazuzu, etc...
Yes!!! 🤘🤘
THAT'S NOT TRVE CVLT!
GOOD!
😁🤘🤘
Any snow in your area post apocalyptic metal Aarruugghhhhh hahaa ppftt!!
It's a couple hours away from me still. It should be here this afternoon. I saw on Instagram that Exhorder is getting snowed on in New Orleans!!
@heavymetalphilosophy ala the other snow
Dødheimsgard is great post black metal. Enslaved too.
Black Medium Current is an all time record for me! 🤘🤘
Thanks for again touching on the philosophical side of music.
Fair warning: I'm about to go on a casual diatribe, of sorts.
In my opinion, you hit the proverbial nail on the head... "Lucifer just doesn't seem that dangerous anymore. It's US that we gotta worry about."
It has been US all along, I feel.
#Satan is merely the intriguing premier fictional antagonist appearing in a compendium of 66 separate manuscripts, which were later compiled together and published as "one book" (in Christianity, anyway).
Evil has always been a part of human nature.
Religion appeared as a reflection of ourselves from a desire to label behavior, then attempt to control that behavior by instilling fear in those primitive peoples who were first introduced to the concepts of gods, demons, etc.
"Heaven" and "Hell" exist right here on Gaia.
They are the intellectual manifestations of our own deepest primal urges to experience joy, peace, chaos, dread, etc. Each of these urges stems from a desire to experience "feelings." Pain and pleasure, fear and love... these things offer an emotional reward.
That's why we doom scroll. It makes us angry, but humans just like 'feeling,' whether it's good or bad.
Anyway... keep doing what you're doing. You are basically my sole (and soul) source for finding new heavy music.
Well said. I recently came to that same conclusion about doom scrolling. I literally thought to myself "I'm putting myself in hell!"
You saying that is like a reaffirmation. On the one hand, I'd love it if more people came to that conclusion, but on the other I also worry about the other end of the spectrum... there's a ton of people completely uninformed. So I don't want to encourage anyone to "don't watch the news!"
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Ok, honestly, like the take, but I usually just see it as black metal that incorporates elements of post-rock and post-metal with some shoegaze and ambient here and there, but that's just me I guess! 🤷♂️😅
Thanks! 😁
In a strictly sonic sense I agree with you. 🤘🤘
I don't follow the use of "post" in any genre. I inevitably find the person who uses it with any seriousness to be repugnant. 🤣
Present company excluded of course. lol
😆it's good to be the exception to the rule😆🤘
I realy dislike the clothing style.
There can never be enough songs about Satan......2 billion people STILL believe the fairytale so .....there is a demand hahahhahaa.....
I find Black Metal silly and annoying. No, I do not hate black metal purists. (They might hate me? 🤷♂️) I respect black metal for what it did sonically and culturally, but I cannot take black metal seriously.
There's 2 reasons. 1) I am a Christian. No, my faith does not limit what I listen to. But how many times do you have to hear someone say, "Hail, Satan", when your beliefs are directly contrary to that, before you get turned off? (Yes, I realize a lot of that was a joke or theatrics or meant more to target the Catholic Church and as a way to protest historical and current church abuses. But it wears thin after awhile.) 2) I just don't like the guitar tone. A lot of black metal bands seem to do everything they can to make their guitars sound like absolute garbage.
What was the point of leaving this comment
I think your limitation is a little narrow viewed and outdated by time. What I mean by this is that so many post-black metal groups now have moved beyond the satanic themes. There are now albums about Tolkien (Dwarrowdelf), nature (Blackbraid), philosophy, space, science fiction and even history and many other topics dealing with mortality and even love (Unreqvited). Your 2nd point sure that occurs and has occurred, but now there are so many groups with incredible production value. Adding many elements outside of what you describe including violins and piano. It is a very emotionally and musically deep genre of music.
@@darthvader9173 , it's called "discussion". You should look it up.
@@acaDamiens , I was talking about BLACK METAL, specifically the Second Wave, not about POST-Black Metal. What could arguably be called the Third or Fourth Wave of Black Metal (depending on who you talk to, but definitely separate from Post-black metal) has also moved beyond the Satanic themes and beyond trying to sound like garbage.
There's an entire scene of Christian black metal bands, sometimes referred to as "white metal" or "unblack metal"
I'll admit, black metal sounds great to me if it's got some 'death metal' mixing in it: I've always been kinda 50/50 on the traditional aspect
Yea! Me too. Blackened Death is my favorite! 🤘🤘