Why I Chose A HUGE TV For Simracing
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I've tried everything. Started with a single monitor, went to a ultrawide for a few months, used triple 32s for a year, tried triple 55s at a friends house (who clearly isn't good with his money lol) and then i tried VR...
Man i just can't go back, everything else just feels like a game to me, no different than sitting in front of the PS1 playing Gran Turismo 1. With VR i actually FEEL like i'm sitting in and driving a car, maybe its a mental thing of having the whole real world blocked out rather than the technology just being better idk but it's the pinicicle of sim racing in my opinion.
VR is so cool. I have a Quest 3 with a Radeon 6950xt.
@@PITAH1 Vr is another level :D i have quest 3 and a 7800x3D n 6900xt asus liquid!. Its a very diferent experience... Love it... Wish all good for you guys 🤙 and Good Races :)
Yup, I personally second that. The impact VR has once you've loaded a race up and are sat in the car is immense and that sense of presense completely doesn't happen on flatscreen. When starting a race on my TV I'm just sat there waiting for the green lights, but doing so in VR I almost miss the lights as I'm looking around in awe that I'm at a racetrack in a race car about to race! I still do that several months after getting my Reverb G2, I'm blown away every time still. I can and do go back to flatscreen (for GT7 on PS5 as no PSVR2 yet) and that's ok, I can have some fun, but it's very underwhelming in comparison.
Vr is just not there yet. The resolution and heavy Headsets as well as VR sickness is just too much for majority of people. Maybe if it was like a pair of glasses. Big Screen Beyond looks promising but still. Triples is the way to go. I'm on an ultrawide but if i could go triples I would.
Majority of the people? Heavy?
I don’t find them heavy at all. Try wearing a helmet as required on a real track; and on a hot day!
Spot on, Random. I've set my rig up in front of my 65 OLED in my living room, and have done for 5 years.
I can push the rig aside and watch thr TV if I want. The immersion of a big screen is as good as you say
Yeah, I have a VR2 as well, and love it. I swap between the two.
Great video.
Thank you. This makes me feel a lot better. I truly appreciate the wisdom behind your opinions. I'm old, and I've been at this for 2 and a half decades. At my age, I definitely don't want the hassle of moving to pc, despite the fact that I dream of triple monitors. Single player on Console seldom requires me looking any farther than a foot from the center of the screen. I recently upgraded to ps5, and followed it with a larger, game-ready Samsung. You've made me feel a lot better about sticking with what I've got.
Former game dev (sim racing games actually) here getting back into gaming, I upgraded with a 55" LG C3 oled for my XBX some months ago - total game changer both for ACC, but also gaming in general. Actually i upgraded after watching your first video about getting a big TV for sim racing, so thanks for that 👍
I would expect a game dev to be using a PC not an inferior Xbox.
Guess now I am extremely curious about what games you had your hand in.
Well, former game dev, and as a until recently very casual gamer for the last 10 years, the Xbox suits me just fine. Might get a new gaming PC for AC Evo tho.
I was at SimBin, so GT Legends, GTR2, Race and Race 07.
Have triple 4k 50 inch in a blacked out 'booth' for great immersion, tried VR ... not for me.
Just one month ago i change from my 32" LG monitor to a 48" TV, and even tough the image quality and refresh rate is much lower, for me is much better because that sense of scale that you mention. My braking references are much easy to catch now that my vision can´t scape the edge of the screen. Cheers.
Tried every option and I'm also for big TV screen. Triples were fine but without those G9s or 3 TVs (which I can't afford) I think that the picture infront of you is too small . VR made me sick, and while it was great experience I couldn't go for more than 15 minutes. Now I have 49'' Bravia in front of my rig and it feels so immersive. In ACC I have around 50 FOV (depends on a car) and in iRacing i'm around 80 and it really feels like I'm in a car, and visibility and sense of speed are great. Best buck for the money for me if VR makes you sick.
GT7 in PSVR2 was my one-way ticket to simracing in VR. I thought I'd stop there, but I've moved onto PC simracing on Quest 2 then Quest 3 playing ACC (VR is meh to be kind), AC (VR wow!), and AMS2 (VR best!). Also VR is compact, so i can tuck the rig just about anywhere in the house
Good video, well explained and exactly why I'm using a TV instead of a monitor/triples. I own the '55 LG CS and I'm very happy with that.
Awesome follow up mate, thanks for this! Very interesting to hear your thoughts on VR as I am very much on the opposite side of the fence, but respect that it is a very personal thing for people.
I went to VR for the first time with PSVR2 and I cannot go back to flat.. I tried it for 3 months when I bought a new screen, and got used to racing flat. But as soon as I put the headset back on it was just incredible. I have no problems with comfort, but I do always use a fan/aircon in my room as I do always heat up. So yeah, I do have to account for that for sure!
You made this video at the perfect time! I just watched your video from two months ago because I’m considering switching from my 34” wide screen to a tv and seeing this video is convincing me even more this is the right way to go. I think I’ll get the TCL Q7. Not sure if 55” or 65” yet. Thank you for the video!
You got me honking about this. Dave can is also using a TV as well. What size tv did you get?
55
Thanks for the tips RC! I just build my first proper rig after 11 years on a wheelstand, and went for an LG C3 OLED 48 inch. Most expensive TV I ever bought but it has fantastic specs for gaming so I'll join the big screen club too. I do like VR though and have a Quest 2 so best of both worlds soon.
Glad I saw your video now, I’m planning on building a sim rig and I was thinking of using a TV rather than a monitor.
Thanks 👍
VR + 4090 = The Ultimate Visual Sim Experience
Cristal Pymax Light and 4080 super with 7800x3D will be my build, what is enough and lot more electricity efficient, bills, bills, bills : )
Nausea ?
Yea I’m using a 4070 and quest 3 and I have a few hiccups here and there.
VR is fun, but hassle and impractical.
@@ty194 ...sweaty . I tried anyway in a sim centre and got nausea in 5 minutes and felt sick for the rest ofthe day. I guess some people are affected more than others
100% agree. Race on 55" OLED TV at 1440 120hz. But it's not for everyone.
I have a 55” Samsung OLED, but can’t seem to get ACC to produce a true 1440p (it’s clearly lower quality), so I just run it at 4k. I’d love to get the extra fps, but there’s something glitchy about how that game interacts with my TV. Have you experienced this at all?
@@ChubbyCelloCar50 are you frame generation tech or upscaling?
@@georgefouler Samsung TV has a game mode tech that I turn off bc it tries to override pc settings and game settings. Otherwise I’m only using the DLSS in game. Running a 4070 and Ryzen 5950x.
@@ChubbyCelloCar50 dlss upscales a low res image, so that might be the issue. I use VRR and Gsync, which is great as the tv adjust to your refresh rate from the GPU.
@@georgefouler I’m definitely having software settings problem/s; I’ll often get a different active signal input than the resolution setting, or the TV Game Mode turns itself on, despite manually shutting off. There’s a number of things going on, too complicated to drill down on here, but I’ve been all over the Samsung forums and it sounds like lots of folks basically trick (glitch) the software into working via “wrong” cable/port pairings (using eArc port for video) or 8K cable for correct 2k scaling, or other odd solutions. Frustrating, bc it’s a top of the line TV, built with gaming bells and whistles, but clearly they weren’t considering PC GPUs, bc the Samsung operating system really clunks with PC pairing…
I used to play on 19/23/27 inch pc monitors for more than 18 years, then tried vr (never liked it) and now im on a 42 inch Lg oled c2 TV monitor, man this feels perfect, with the correct fov and seat position (in game) im not even thinking about triples
I agree with the VR. I am taking a break from racing because my eyes just seem really fatigued. It was great at first but long term isnt ideal. I just dont look forward to putting my headset back on right now.
Great video, really helps provide context for me. I've really been considering moving away from VR and getting a standalone stand and TV for my sim setup. I love the depth perception and freedom to look around in VR, but for me the setup is a pain, and it seems like unless I'm doing it every day, I have to spend a bunch of time updating my headset, and the headsets are just not comfortable for long periods of time. As a result, I end up not playing my simracing games much at all, since my racing rig doesn't have a monitor/TV.
The issue preventing me from doing this is space. If I had a bit more space, I think I would build an aluminum frame with a seat and a dedicated TV/Monitor so there is no setup. Just jump in and play. Plus I can always keep the VR around if I want that experience.
Thanks for the video and your information on Displays. Although I do mainly SIM racing games in VR with a Quest 3, I also have a nice 50 inch HD TV display hooked up to my gaming computer. My display does a great job of running/viewing games and my other computer needs. I also have my laptop connected via HDMI to my 40 inch LCD TV display upstairs which I am using now. Laptop not fast enough for gaming needs but saves on eye strain.
I wish I had your racing rig and steering wheel. You have a great setup for racing and gaming.
take care.
I agree. I’m able to run a 4k 48in OLED LG C2 (refurbished) for most of the time but VR (Quest3) when my room is cool enough and the races/sessions are short enough I can take breaks for my eye soreness. I’d say I do 80/20 flat vs. VR. Start with flat, add VR. Quest 2 is cheap used right now.
I'm not gonna sit here and act like Sim Racing on my Quest 3 isn't the most immersive thing in my house but, I could agree with everything he said about the VR part. After about 1 extended stint (1hr race) you're pretty sweaty on the face at least. Also, you will get eye fatigue and the hassle with getting everything to work all at once is pretty UGH. I'm nowhere near lazy but if you're taking sim racing on a more serious note, I'd recommend Single or Triple and maybe even the 120hz TV idea. I've wasted so much money trying to figure out the best and most comfortable setup for not just looks and performance, but for body fatigue as well. It definitely helped me shave seconds off.
You're spot on. I started sim racing a bit more seriously and joined a league with weekly races, so there's a lot of practice sessions and testing out of car setups etc before every race. Doing that with VR is just a hassle - you want to be able to get in your rig and go and for as long as you want as confortably as possible. Since using triples, my VR headset is pretty much collecting dust.
I found when I was exclusively racing in VR, I raced less because I had to be really in the mood for it, knowing that it exhausts you over time and there's such a process to it like it's a whole event.
@@ty194 True, i wish i read our comments before my jaurney began. A lot of motivation, time and money would've been spared but now I'm up and running. I wish everyone the best of luck getting into the sport.
Offtopic, but I love that mic arm
Agreed (aboot the love, not the offtopikeness)
I got a 42” C2 on sale for $1,000 AUD for my sim rig, best value for money imo
Got myself the 57 Neo and love it!
Ok, thank you!
Love my LG 55"c1 oled ❤
C1 is solid
Yep!
I use a sony a90j oled tv for my sim racing needs. Its only yhe 55 inch but still looks and is more immersive then any other panel ive ever used. If people have tried or arent using new oled or qd oled 120hz 4k displays now they are missing out. Tvs now compete with the best monitors while somehow looking better and feeling as good. Most have vrr/gsync now so thats a positive. Luckily the a90j did get an update a year sgo for vrr.
I will probably get samsung qd oled or the sony a95l next for my sim racing needs/wants haha.
I ended up with a spare 55” LG B1 OLED after moving house and now use it for my sim rig. So far so good, it has low input lag and handles VRR well and motion is very fluid at 100+ fps
Absolutely. B9/C9 and newer make for fantastic simracing screens!
the LG 48" oled monitor has the best response times and 138hz refresh with full gsync. no best large size screen for gaming out there
I had a 49" ultrawide screen and have to agree this is much more immersive. Switched to VR though because it is even on another level (for my taste) and I don't have the space for a bigger screen or even triples.
55 inch tv here too. Works great for my needs.
I’m the same way as some of the others. I use a 65" Sony OLED Grand Master for my monitor and I absolutely love it. I tried multiple setups and this is easily the best. I agree that the TV not having VRR does suck but capping the frame rate at 60fps helps out a ton. Still shows up now and then but by no means a deal breaker. If you are looking for a TV as a monitor now the Hisense 8H or the new version is a Mini LED with VRR and a 65" is less than $1000 and won’t degrade over time like OLED picture does.
I had a 55 oled, swapped it for triple 32s. So much better seeing both sides, plus less car crashes!
3 small screens are 100% better than one big tv
I hope everyone who thinks about bying a tv sees this
Maybe you should make an actual argument if you care to convince anyone who sees this? Not saying you're wrong, but I could see it being subjective. It really depends on what you're after.
@@InfectedAI boosted media has a perfect video about it if you want an explanation. Lots of beginners make the mistake by bying a big ass tv
I’ve been using a 75” TCL Q7 and it’s been amazing. 120hz, VRR and free sync. I’ve notice no lag and I got it on sale for $899.
I totally agree with many things in your video.. I did my research and ended with a SAMSUNG QE55S90CATXXU 55" Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR OLED TV .. and its mint ,, I also have a PS VR2 head set, and agree for me too .. its a 10 min fun thing .. I sweat alot with it on, despite having a fan pointing at me .. Great video
I use a Sony 43in 4k hdmi 2.1 vrr 120hz. Prefer this over anything I used before.
Tried vr and was impressed like you said used it and don’t miss it. Had a quest 2 and psvr2.
Also had triple MSI 32in 2k 1440p monitors curved 144hz. It was nice but was always a pain to setup and some games just never looked right!
Like I said I prefer my 43in 4k tv
Yep I did the same thing in the form of a very high end Samsung neo QLED QN90A and I love it the best contrast of any led type TV almost on point with a LG c2 OLED which was what I was going to get
I started on my TV on PS4 in my living room. Moved to single screen 27" for AC and then 27" triple, 32" triples, and now I'm on 34" UW OLED. From the cable management, ease of use perspective the UW is the best for me. Will I miss the triples in a sweaty online race? Maybe, but not likely. If I was Console and PC, I'd probably just run 42" OLED TV
TV looks great! You should get two more and make it into big TV triples! I thought about a big TV but ended up going with 1000R curved triples. Main reason I still love triples is being able to see the person next to you when racing which I really missed when I had a super ultra wide monitor prior.
I wish
RIP framerate!
What size are your triples?
I've been using a big TV for my simrig for many years now and my current 55in 4K OLED LG TV with 120hz g-sync and VRR is just really amazing for immersion and pure picture quality. I just roll out the simrig in front of the TV whenever I want to race which takes seconds and I can chill on the sofa or bean bag playing non race games. A big TV is also great for flight sims when combined with head tracking (which you can also use with race sims BTW) I never got on well with VR as the image quality is lacking compared to a good OLED TV and the motion sickness and lack of comfort is rather unpleasant for long sessions. I've also got a triple screen setup on my desktop PC but I find the big TV much more immersive for sim racing.
Nice to know. I bought the same TV although its the QNED 90C 50" 144hz 4k . But since then I have decided to rather go for 3 32" LG 165hz monitors VA panels. but its nice to know that using a tv isnt completely out of the realm of possibilities
I just got a 55" Hisense U7K 144Hz hdmi 2.1 mounted on wall and I also use to watch TV/movies. I can move my rig to the side. More versatile than 3 monitors and only need GTX 1080 for 120Hz, but will upgrade to a RX 6800 for 144hz.
i just bought that same tv lol, still waiting for it arrive, how is the image quality in your opinion?
@@rodrigocruz8548 Excellent! Nothing to complain for under $500 except the remote is too small and cheap IMO!
Yep, yep, yep. Very similar situation here, and agree on all points presented. Got a regular 50'' 4K TV doing the job just fine at the moment.
Samsung Odyssey Ark 55'' is the real deal and I too had been aiming at it. Shame about the sky high price.
I'm racing on console PS5 and Plasma TV VIERA TX-P50GT60B from 2013. Using simple HDMI cable connection. I can assure you the colours and racing experience is brilliant. It's 1080p only but no lag, no screen tearing. There is something about Plasma TV's what makes them good for gaming. There are few videos out on ytube explaining that stuff. Even when I was on PS4 ACC everyone complained about various graphical issues on LCD TV's , I had no problems at all. I sit approximately 140cm away from my 50 inch TV in my rig and enjoying it a lot. There is no strain on eyes even after 3hour sessions, my plasma display is simply beautiful. I will always race my PS5 friends, since ACC has crossplay with Xbox ACC it lot more fun! Only minor issue is plasma burn in, I got gear indicator ring on bottom right on screen burned in, I can barely see it when watching movies on SOME lighter scenes. I think it can happen also with OLED displays. For my custom fun days, and I always dreamed about PC and VR, I did preorder Crystal Pimax Light but haven't got PC yet : )
Luckily enough, I bought the same exact TV as you...... a 55" LG QNED81 😊 Cheers Don, Perth WA (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Good video RC, you explained your preferences clearly, pre-emptively and well enough for anyone to hopefully understand your personal opinions and stance. Dedicated PC monitors obviously have some technical benefits, but for some (seemingly yourself and definitely myself) a bigger TV can suit simracing just fine if not better than a smaller monitor. To me, having an ultrawide aspect ratio or extremely fast response time / Hz is too much of a trade-off over having a big-ass screen instead where sense of scale helps immersion so much more. Ultrawides in particular are often a false economy anyway as you often pay for more to get less screen space compared to a big TV.
I'll disagree with one statement though: 60Hz locked with traditional v-sync is absolutely fine if you have a capable PC. VRR can obviously be beneficial but it's not essential, just a preference.
As for the impending comments: cue the "my preference is better than yours because that's how I see it and I can't see it any other way" and "triples are the ultimate setup" blah blah blah etc. Heard it all before on RC's original TV video - it was nonsense then and still is now. You like X setup then great, but doesn't mean you have to inflict your opinion as if it were fact onto everyone else. I prefer VR but that's just me.
I have a similar setup, and your first video helped me decided. I’m on console so triples and ultrawide are out but I’m very happy. I have mine slightly higher as a compromise as I can slide the seat back and comfortably play/watch other things, eye level is about 50%.
One thing I’m struggling is fov and distance view settings in Acc. I like see in the inside of the car but being right against the windscreen feels very real. Any info here would be good to experiment with!
Does ACC have a radar app akin to HeliCorsa? If so, I'd say set it to the correct FOV and camera position and enable the virtual mirror. the radar app is a fantastic replacement for your side mirrors and though it may take a little getting used to, with a 55" screen it is possible and therefore worth it to have the world at a 1:1 scale. IMO anyway. it's what I do too, though I play AC (not ACC) on PC, with NeckFX enabled as well.
I tried triples and i tried VR, ended up getting a single 4k Sony Bravia 120hz and I don't regret it. My sim rig pc is my everything pc and it does everything I want it to on top of being a dedicated smart tv when I feel like flipping on a game or a show while sitting in my rig.
Good video, very important topic....
I totally concur with your conclusions. I'm using Sony's top of the line gaming TV. It's 65 inches 120 hz 100 frames per sec. It's expensive but worth every dollar to me. It performs awesomely. I do also have a VR which has great emersion and simulates g-forces but I always go back to this beautiful monster tv. It is so clear and responsive. I feel like I'm actually in a car.
lol if it’s 120hz it’s 120fps not 100fps!
Had a 55“ tv… but as seen here too, proportions are totally off! I want my real wheel to be perfectly sitting with the ingame cockpit. Also the shaking lots of users have enabled, where the ingame cockpit moves a lot but not my wheel… that’s not what I prefer. VR, besides having the best immersion these days, is missing the comfort in so many areas (especially during the summer time). Ultra wides are missing height; you sure could go 57“UW but those are way to expensive for my setup. The best solution for immersion and comfort for me are my 32“ triples. Love em! But I do strap on my VR headset for a couple of minutes 1 or 2 times a month. Anyway… lots of options for us users these days… good times! 🥳
I have quest 3 and it's great, but I still prefer triples for comfort plus I can clearly see cars on the sides without moving my head much plus I can see all my buttons plus I can drink coffee:)
i had 43" 4k for simracing, i switched to VR Quest 2 (for 150$) and i switched completly to VR. 43 is now my main pc screen for other games. Vr is just better. If you can set it up in less than 1 min it's worth the effort. the only drawback is the need for a more powerful computer. No cables, 90 or 120hz. I have now 4070S and its great
I'm also using a TV for Simracing, at the moment (I'm working with a limited budget). Although, mine can only reach a peak Refresh Rate of 60HZ which I find to be "good enough". Basically, I don't think that I am losing any lap time from the refresh rate.
That being said, I haven't had the experience to work with better monitors/TV Screens..so I could be missing out!
Freesync works as well and is mostly even supported by nvidia too.
Considering that gaming monitors are hella expensive in my country, a single, cheaper TV is "good enough" to satiate my casual racing needs, being cheap enough to let me net a 32' one.
This means that I need an mega-ultrawide tv.
To be completely honest, if you drive only race cars, triple 1080p is all it's needed, because the lack of vertical space is not an issue in race cars
Thank you for the very informative video but may i please ask what this means for us DD+ / PS5 (mostly GT7/ACC) only users? PS5 wont allow ultra wide or triples so... what to do? For us, a good tv like the LG C3 or C4 is SUCH a much better choice than a monitor...
is the 4k an issue for the ps5? How bad for the eyes is to have a 55" screen so close for so long? What size would be ideal for an integrated single monitor stand (like the ASR stands, advanced or simple), still a 55"? maybe a 42 or 48? or may be even 65" if budget is not an issue?. In other words do you wish you had gone 48 or 42? or is 55 the definitive sweetspot for you?
I am now in the middle of trying to decide on the size and type of mount. leaning towards integrated because my rig is on caster wheels and i very quickly move it out of the way when needed (i dont have a dedicated space for it but I do want a dedicated screen for a 1:1 view - or as close as possible). If you or anyone here would not mind giving me some advice/help with this issue even though im not on PC I would REALLY appreciate it, as I'm not sure what to do. Thanks again!
Oh, and more importantly, if you had no budget restrictions what would be your top 3 picks of TV in terms of size and model (for dd+ & PS5, not PC) as your ultimate choice? would the ark 55 still be one of them today?
Lol.. Try a 130 inch 4k projetor screen for realism... But, my two cents.. In my pursuit of happiness for my sim racing journey... I went with realistic immersion... Running quad screen.. Although at the moment the rig is naked. I'm working on a complete new interior wrap around dash console roof and roll cage. Might redesign the safety netting too.. That's fully enclosed.. My rig is like stepping into a real race car.... 👍🏻
2 months later and it seems you've landed on exactly the same opinion as me. I'm really glad someone like you (who has a reach) can kickstart a shift in mentality regarding gaming on TVs. Yes, gaming on TVs used to be a terrible idea... but not anymore, especially for simracing! :)
Regarding brands, I would stick to models from LG, Samsung and Sony. Other brands (especially the Chinese ones), have their fair share of issues. Philips TVs are kinda midrange for gaming/desktop use from what I read and tested a few years ago, and everything else on the lower end, like Hisense. But do your research, my knowledge is about 2 years old now. I had a Philips for a bit, but had a few issues with it. Changed it for an LG and haven't had any trouble since.
I started on a tube-style TV way back in the day, then a 'flat-screen' that was still as big as a tube-style, then a 32" flat-screen, and now a 55" flat-screen. And because I'm a masochist I've stuck to 60fps 1080p since the 32" because 970GTX (now retired lol)
I have the same feeling with VR, I have a CV1 and though performance is not an issue with those goggles other things are like a sweaty face, or harder to breathe through my nose or not being able to see my buttons shifter etc...
I wonder if something like a big screen beyond would solve most of my issue. But yeah, I understand your thought about a big tv, but I don't see a big difference between that and a single monitor.
I have my spare 37" LG LCD TV, which was the first i bought, in 2009. It has a pc mode, it works alright. I'm playing GT7, and the downsampled effect from 4k to 1080p screen looks kind of neat, no aliasing in distanced trees and fences. Anyways, just me oddballin'.
I use the same huge tv I watch formula one on. It’s curved a bit and I have my sim wheel covering the games wheel in my line of sight. It’s fine.
I went from 65inch 120hz tv to triples and the inmersion that has brought is the key. I suppose VR is the best inmersion but I really can't play for long with a mask in my face. Triples comes with set up and space needed complications but once done is done, you enjoy like being inside a car. I lost the 4k that I had with the TV, but my old eyes can't see that many pixels😅 so 1440p is ok. Pricewise, the 65inch TV cost more or less the same than the triples with stand (cheaper tv is worst image, input lag and cheap triples the same). About the computer, well I always try to have a good machine, and with all the money spend in wheels, pedals,..., I wouldn't save on PC or screens and nobody should.
My gpu has 3 dp ports and 1 HDMi so I still have my tv conected for when I want to play other type of games or work with the computer, this is also a good option to have.
And finally, have what you want or what you can afford, but don't forget your families, I much preffer play when have spare time and explain the race to my wife, who for sure can't be bother, than play all day and have no one to share it with.
Interesting but I've been racing in VR since the DK2 first released and never gone back to screens and likely never will. Dunno but I can't really take the PSVR seriously, I wonder how you might feel if you tried a more current PCVR headset, but you're happy with what you got so all power to you.
I think for Sim racing its easy to choose a TV to play with. Hands down the LG 120Hz OLED monitors. Once you get into OLED levels of colors and response times, its hard to go back to non OLED monitors/TV.
Oled monitors do exist now, but they are very expensive, more expensive than the OLED TV's.
I used to play on a 27 inch ips monitor.
Also tried VR on Quest 2 and Quest 3.
Now VR is hands down the best for immersion. After all thats what Sim Racing is all about. Making you feel, how it feels to be a GT2, GT3, F1 etc. Driver.
Only issue I have with VR is the longer you play with it on your head, the more uncomfortable it is.
But no doubt, VR is next level. I know there are light headsets out there with better Graphics but at the same time it also means you need a top end GPU to run it. And the VR Headset it self are crazy expensive.
I still drive with Quest 3 from time to time specially on ACC and ETS2.
But most of the time I am playing on a 48 Inch LG C1 Oled 120Hz.
The Oled is hands down game changer. I'd say better than the uber expensive OLED monitors that MSi, Asus etc. Sells.
My Samsung QN90B is fantastic for my rig. Amazing picture. Mine is a 50inch
I have a 55" OLED but would choose to use my Quest 3 over it in every sim that supports VR.
Quest 3 here. I cannot imagine using anything else.
The biggest bugbear with using a TV vs. a dedicated Monitor is the very reflective coatings on 99% of all TV screens.
totally true!
That and the lack of DisplayPort (and lack of multiple HDMI on GPUs), which makes triples a PITA.
@@LeoDavidsonget display port to hdmi adapter!
@randomcallsign What is the TV you are using?
Watch the first 5 seconds of the video
I really love VR and can stay in it for a long time. But even with a 5800x3D and 4070 Super, with manual overclocking, I cannot get a good balance of framerate and image quality that I'm happy with. I'm considering going into triples. When I had a wheelstand, I found my 55" micro-LED TV to be very immersive! I really felt like I was inside the car and my screen wasn't even as close as yours is.
Tweaking the VR headset for fps and clarity is like a side hobby to the actual simracing
In what titles and which headset? I'm on a 5600x/3080 and have no issues staying locked at 90 using OpenXR in most suitable VR titles. ACC is the exception but it is objectively a terrible title for VR support. rFactor 2, AMS2 and Iracing have all been great on my Reverb G2
@@carlosangalang I totally agree with this. After every session, I think about what else I could change haha
I have a Quest 3 and run it at 90 Hz. Tried 120 Hz but it didn't work good yet.
@@geologik7500 ACC is the one I'm struggling with haha. iRacing is the other title I play and it's running well with OpenXR on Quest 3 via Virtual Desktop. VD + OpenXR surprised me with it's clarity and smoothness in iRacing vs the link cable + oculus runtime.
With the fact that still not all sim racing titles support tripples, concering costs, I use 55 tv as well. But in my case big wheel base slightly ruin play so I use ultra wide resolution and I feel thats better for me...
I get the limitation of pc monitors size but in your case the cockpit is much too large - a real dashboard is much smaller - for me that kills the immersion - I like to have the elements as large as in real life ...but yes the TV screens has gotten really good in the last years. I had three VR headsets and finally landed on triple screens (32). Larger screens would be even better but at the moment its fine for me.
high end TVs are better for all gaming pretty much except for competitive fps, especially those Oleds featuring 120hz BFI mode which have literally no motionblur.
Very nice setup!
VR is a funny thing, if you like it you love it if you don´t like it then game over.
I use the Samsung 32:9 57" Odyssey Neo G9. Dual 4k. super wide and taller than 1440 monitors
These days monitor/Tv are kind of a blurry line I Have Asus 42 oled which is technically LG oled panel from their TVs just with more matte coating and displayport.. what is nice about oled is if you want ultrawide just change it to that resolution and black bars are totally off so it looks nice.
You said in the video It's hard to find a tv that can do sim racing properly. I recommend any of the LG C-Series tv's(C1,C2,C3,C4). Although they are well worth it. Oled And very good response time(0.1ms). I've had my C1 for about 4 years and it handles all my Military, flight and racing sims. It's the one piece of equipment I've had that I never felt any need to upgrade. And obviously never regretted my purchase.
thinking of mounting one of these to my rig just now. which size you think? also on ps5 only. is the distance to the eye for so long an issue? (dont want to hurt my vision) thx!
@Snaggletooth68 I have a 55-inch. I'm pretty close but not as close as what I see some triple monitor set ups where they are directly over the direct drive motors. I have mine about a foot back. But honestly, this is all I know.So I can't give you comparisons with other monitors. I've had an eye injury in high school and cataract surgery. So, eye strain and glare is a problem with me. It was a little bit of an issue. But I got a govee TV backlight system. Not only did it give me a good sense of speed. But it almost completely took eye strain away. My theory on it is it is that it gives you a broader area for your eyes to focus on and not a pinpoint bright spot. It's like an 80 dollar add-on, but it's well worth it. And it completely changes the way you watch TV and movies too. Also I would try to go with the earliest model. There is hardly much different between the C1,C2, C3, and C4. I personally can't find any C1s anymore. But I have still seen some C2s for sale .
i can totally understand the simplicity going with single big TV, but the way i see it, if you are serious enough to have a whole dedicated sim rig, just get triple screen setup. The side view adds sooo much to the immersion of triple screen, on ETS2 or normal racing simulators its game changer and without the need of VR
simplicity for me is more important than immersion.
@@randomcallsign yeah and thats totally understandable :)
I don't even look towards the edge / sides of my single 43" display as I'm almost entirely focused on the racing line which is obviously around the center of one screen. You say "just get triple screen setup" even though that's the most expensive option, with extensive hardware and software setting up, requiring more space than most people have along with needing a powerful GPU / PC if wanting 4K. If triples are your preference then that's fine, but VR is better than triples in specific regard to the factors I just pointed out.
@@LargeStyle 100% , thank you explaining.
@@randomcallsign And " tobii eye tracker " ?? 😉
In fact i had the exact opposite route you took. I had a 48inch oled and it was too much for 65cm distance. TOO tall with no reason. I went for a 45" ultrawide and its MUCH better. The only downside is the sharpness going down from 4k to 3440x1440 but for racing its not that noticeable...
Is a 75’’ too big? I use a curved small monitor now but I have a nice 75
VR has come a long long way since the original Oculus Rift. For driving games my Pimax Crystal is the only choice for endless hours of fun day after day. I understand your own logic to go with a large screen TV. It is the reverse for me with driving games. Going back from VR to a monitor just seems like such a downgrade. But that Ark monitor you mentioned caught my attention!
I have triple 1440 32 inch 165 hz monitors. I paid $230 each or $690 total, not that expensive! I started with a 50 inch TV, not enough peripheral vision for side by side wheel to wheel racing in my experience.
your video inspired me to pick up a 55 inch TV.
Question: How many inches or centimeters is the screen from your eyes?
over 1m
I think triple screen is the best option if you have the space for it. VR racing is very immersive but you're gonna be sweating alot more, to the point its not fun anymore, at least in my experience. TV is just a no go for me.
Been using VR only for my sim racing. My current headset is dying and I don't want to spend $500 for a Meta Quest. Going to start using my LG 65' OLED with GSYNC 120hz for my sim racing for awhile just to try it out. You can nit pick VR all you want but face it, nothing is more immersive than VR period.
I paid $250 for a generic 43" TV 1080P best money I ever spent, ACC looks great.
Its a whole different game compared to v.r. Its actually incredible u feel like youve entered the game world in v.r, and for sim racing its just next level. Also gt7 v.r showroom mode is just a must experience thing if u love cars, u can inspect interior n exterior of every car super close up, n the amount of detail in gt7 is actually unbelievable, down to the tire tread, and brake rotor and materials its just undescribable how detailed it is n the experience in v.r is mental, hopefully when ps5 pro is out this year they improve it further higher res n fps. Also for games that require full body n v.r controller I cant play longer then 40ish minutes slowly improving but for sim racing v.r since day 1 I can play for like 8 hours straight with a few breaks in between no problem. Also I'm surprised no one uses a fan, if u use a fan u wont sweat.
I am using a Sony Bravia TV, on console, 120hz, VRR.
I like a big screen and i can watch TV on it much better, as on a monitor.
Excelente 👍
I agree that bigger definitely improved immersion. However, do you miss the extra visibility to the sides going from 21:9 to 16:9 ratio in terms of better visibility going into a corner, better awareness of cars beside you, etc.?
the FOV is actually improved on this. Its brute forcing via size.
@@randomcallsign Cool. How did it improve? In what way?
Basically, if you have a bigger screen and you maintain the same distance from it, you can increase your FOV settings which gives you more side to side visibility than ultrawide (21:9) monitor
@ It's this part that I don't understand... if he could make a video on the subject, to see the differences on screen, that would be cool
do you wish you went down to 48 or 42? or is 55 the sweetspot for you?
Actually v1 exhibition samsung ark 55s are going around 1.2k on ebay and refub stores
Imagine telling your HPDE instructor you’d rather go home and continue on TV because it’s too hot and the helmet is heavy and it makes your face sweaty and the sun is too bright and i get tired and sore from the bumps on the road.😂
There are always drawbacks. I figure having a button box that one can simply touch, or access to the keyboard fora quick chat message or reaching for your cup water would be important too (not easy to do in VR) unless you use mixed reality.
I agree to the big TV… I noticed the same, but to me VR (or MR if the next sim game offers it) will have no equal moving forward.
I have pico4 and trippels, I use my trippels more, better image and comfort. I don't think VR has that wow factor as in the beginning. I'm waiting for VR with at least a VOF of 130, I still have the binocular effect.
40" tcl works great for me 60hz 1080p 👍
I use an LG Nano Cell 55 . I think its the perfect size and other comments seem to confirm this .
Nao percebo é a malta comprar um unico monitor curvo de 27 polegadas, acho que para dar mais imersão tem de ser no minimo 43 polegadas.