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I BOUGHT A CHEAP VAUXHALL VECTRA ESTATE FOR £1,200!
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I'm probably one of the two people on this planet who actually likes the design of the C Vectra. I even like the interior! Those angular lines are soo 80s. The saloon definitely looks better than the estate. I don't see many on the roads these days not even here in eastern Europe :))
I’m the 2nd person then. These vectras are classy machines
well, turns out we're not juat two people, I massively underestimated :D
My favourite car 😮
Count me in more practical then touring replacement,boxy but better for it .
Estates are huge good cars
I’ve had loads of hatch’s much better then insignias
Matt, we need more people like you in the business. Keeping old cars on the road...giving them new life... keep it up my friend. Good work and good health.
Thanks!
Completely agree! Have great satisfaction in watching these cars being saved.
I honestly think that for someone on a budget who needs a do anything car,pick up kids, dog, tip, pull a caravan etc. a good buy.
Never thought I'd be excited to watch a video about the Vauxhall Vectra I knew someone's dad who has a Vectra and has bought so many Vectras throughout the years and has been a reliable car to him. 😊
Loved my vectra estate 2.0 Diesel , it was the only car I had from brand new, had it for 10 years and clocked up 189,000 miles, Now on a 10 year old insignia, just taken it over 253,000 miles.
Love hearing things like this , lol
2.0 litre DTI ?
They said they were more reliable than the 1.9 cdti 120 (8 valve) and 150 (16 valve)
Have u had the oil seal replaced on the insignia?
hmmm I hear DTi’s are trouble and the 120’s were the best of the lot? 😂
Not as far as I know, I bought the car with 13,500 miles on the clock, I have it serviced every year and I had the cam belt and water pump replaced at 100k & 200K. it has been very reliable.
I knew that car looked familiar, the last two service stamps confirmed it. I’ve seen it driving around in the area of Leeds I live in!
Interesting!
Same here, recognised the tow bar!
Never thought I’d be watching a video about a Vectra so quickly but here I am! Great content as ever Matt
Thanks!
I had one of these several years ago right after a 2004 Mondeo. Both incredible cars, for what they are. It's a real shame this kind of thing has basically died out now.
Both petrol though, I might add.
How refreshing to see someone not slagging off the Vectra. I had a 2003 one of those between 2006 and 2015 and it was brilliant! (OK, it was a 3.2 V6 GSi, but if there hasn't been a couple of grand's worth of work needed, including a new gearbox I'd have kept it going). That'll do as a great car for someone very nicely!
Hard to find used car dealers like you Matt, but glad you exist. If I lived nearer I’d never hesitate to look at your stock, knowing it would be well prepped and looked after.
I had this tank. When touring about I used to bring an inflatable mattress and be able to sleep flat in the back with the seats down. I'm 6ft 2. Probably the best value for money used car I ever bought with respect to utility and practicality. Not without a few issues over the years but every car has. Perfect for adventuring and not caring to much about taking great care of it.
I have had 3 Vectra's in the past all company cars which clocked up high mileage in a short time. Not one missed a beat. That is a lovely example that deserved to be saved 👌
Great video as always.. looking forward to the next. 🙂👍
Very underrated cars especially the VXR ones. Top Gear destroyed its reputation by removing the IDS Suspension module and TC then pushing it through corners like a mad man. My father has one in sapphire black and has owned it for 4 years. What a car with BTCC racing pedigree to top it off. Future classic
Insignia VXR?
@@michaelyounes29 they are troublesome cars with a weak haldex unit and they weigh more than 200kg in addition to the Vectra. 0-60 is pretty much the same in real life scenario which makes the AWD pretty useless plus the Vectra looks miles better. You would expect the car to at least have 400BHP but no, they make a conservative 340BHP. A remap an take the Vectra to that power figure
can't beat an ST or ST200 for btcc ped
Doubt that dsl ever got the the car park.
@@longbar2344 and that’s about it. The Mondeo has aged worse than the Vectra and plus it won’t pull your hairs off with its pathetic 220BHP from a 3.0 V6. Putting the ST badge on it is a crime
I think that's a fair price Matt ,probably won't see one in better condition ,looks mint !!😊
I had a saloon elite version 150 auto. It was probably the most reliable car I have ever had I got it with 65k miles and sold it with 235k and it never broke down on me. The manuals had an issue with a bearing in the gearbox but the autos were perfect. Drove well and was comfortable and economical. The perfect commuter car
I’d almost forgotten that I had one of those years ago: a 3.2 Elite. Not the most exciting mode of transport but it was comfortable, reliable and a great mile muncher. You definitely did that one justice Matt 👏
Still driving 2003 plate 2.2dti manual saloon, great incognito reliable car, have it for 16 years, girl never let me down. If not abused these engines could run million km and then cheap to rebuild and run forever again, intake made from metal not plastic. Sadly they don't make cars like that anymore. Thanks Matt.
I got a 2.0 variant, the X20DTL engine in an Astra body, still unopened @1,122 million km - of which 870k km has been covered w/ +90% power upgrade. I'd say pretty much the best inline four GM has manufactured so far.
I think the 2.2 d was made by Izuzu. Used in Saab cars of the same era. Good reputation.
The Tychy (located in Poland) plant these 2.0 and 2.2 (main difference being just 8mm of stroke) are made in, was founded by Isuzu in '96. GM bought 60% of the stock in '02 (and the rest in '13). They manufactured millions of diesel engines, both Isuzu models and GM and they still do. This particular family of engines was designed by the ingenious Dr. Tech Fritz Indra - mainly famous for the C20XE, a.k.a. the venerable Red Top.The bloke pretty much masterminded the two best Opel/Vaux engines of all time.
My 2008 vectra c 190bhp is a proper machine, love to see this
I had the previous generation, 1998 Vectra, which I bought for £600 as a stop gap. It was one of the most reliable cars I've ever owned, and the stop gap lasted 4 years till I passed it on to my son. I'd be quite happy with the one in this video. Well done for saving it Matt.
1.9ZDTH Great engine, if swirl flaps deleted, crankcase vent system modifed to not leak, intercooler is OK, EGR is partially blanked, and DPF not plugged.... It will do 200,000 Miles but needs at least some expenditure. Tooth belt really easy to change.
Sounds great!
Besides those 20 things a great engine
I always liked the exterior styling of the last Vectra iteration, especially the estate. It was a functional & reliable car for the money with good mpg for the time in the 1.8 petrols & 2.0tds - and for many that's all they want from a car. Nothing wrong with that. If you want supercar image & performance - look elsewhere!
Bloody love these Vectras. I had a 1.8VVT SRi 140bhp. Great car. Had it 6 years and did around 60k in mine and it never let me down. I then decide to PX for an 09 Mondeo. What a financial mistake that has turned into.
why would you swap for essentially the same car lol
@@mikenewbold1699 because they're entirely different.
it's the same class of car and by all accounts the mondeo of that gen isn't known for reliability@@JR90.
I;ve got a 06 design model 1.9 diesel not hit 80k yet lol
I love it that you keep old cars on the road. It's so much better for the environment.
I had a 2.2 Petrol estate many years ago - never missed a beat - it never cost a lot to buy the car, was pretty good on petrol and drove fantastic. The size of the thing made it such a good choice with 2 small kids and large dog, cheap enough to not care too much about it when they they made a mess of it but looked alright around town. I would buy one again instantly.
I’ve had 4 different Vectras in my time, never had a bit of bother with them, other then the reputation Top Gear put onto it. Great family car, plenty of room, a great motorway cruiser. Did dozens of trips to Ireland in them. Kinda miss them now..
Good thing this came up on my Recommendations page. Since, I never got a notification despite having my settings switched on for ALL notifications. Heads-up, Matt.... TH-cam is broken, again. Also.... _Welcome back, Regular Matt!_ 🥳🎉🎊
Being regular is the key, I eat porridge myself with a cafe chaser....always does the trick!!!
Nice to see someone online not just slagging these off because as you said they are actually a really good car and that looks a great example ! Not many of these left in that condition now
I had one of these (although a manual gearbox) as a "company car" , working as a fast response paramedic. I think it covered over 250,000 miles in 5 years & hardly missed a beat!
I enjoyed the video Matt dont see many off these old vectras anymore but my neighbour has a 57 plate estate had it since new 1.9 cdti 230k still going like a watch. I personally hate them but he loves his and said its a might old work horse so credit where credit is due 😮
Oh damn, first thing I did was go to your website and its gone. Well done Matt, a profit is a profit.
Me too !🤣🤣🤣
Of the C’s I have a soft spot for the 3.2 GSI…. Very understated
The pre facelift is a handsome beast. The 150’s when on form are punchy and economic. Great workhorse for someone this.
I learnt to drive in a saloon version of one of these with leather heated seats. Top of the range (back then) it was a lovely car. I loved it. I have no idea what but I’m one of the few people that really liked the extra and also loved the Insignia that followed.
I had two of these estates as company cars in the noughties - a 04 2.0DTI and a facelift 07 1.9CDTi. Both good cars, reliable and the CDTi was very economical and truly massive in terms of load space. Strange thing is there were thousands of Vectras on the road then yet you hardly ever see one now, especially the estates
Same engine in a saab 9 5 . I wish i had that car still it was black also. That car will last years, great find
And Alfa 156 1.9, and some fiats too. GM lump isn’t it.
Great until the swirl flaps fall apart on you. The first thing anyone needs to do with one of these engines is remove inlet manifold ( quite a job ) blank off inlets and then remove EGR valve, clean it out and blank that off too. Re-assemble and away you go. Oh and then wait for the DPF to play up. Ask me how I know.
The new owner should invest in a Waxoil treatment for the underside and enjoy many years of affordable motoring. Excellent save.
I had a new 07 Vectra like this but silver manual company car for 4 years, 145,000 miles. Apart from usual servicing/wear and tear the only fault was a throttle body. I was a mobile engineer for hospital equipment. Carried all the tools and spares I needed. Comfortable and economical it was an ideal car, the only car that came close afterwards to have the same balance of abilities was the Skoda superb. Still have fond memories of my Vectra..
Really nice looking the estate version is my mum has a 1998 red vectra and my uncle had a silver 2002 gsi both were rapid
To be fair, 3k for an 80,000 mile, super reliable, economical to tax, insure and run estate, that looks very clean and rust free is a really good deal. Someone will have it.
Super reliable, really?
@@Cloud007.GM did a lot bomb proof engines over the years. They have that reputation, throughout the general public.
not for 3k 1500 and that pushing it a bit .
I got a 2005 with 260000 miles on it now had it for 10 years so reliable if you get the f40 gearbox not the m32.
good car got it for 2200k so 3k is tacking the piss 10 years later
@@shaun9480 Sold already within 2 days
This your latest contribution is a beacon of light in my worl… just kiddin’.
Had one of these for a few years but the manual. Great, reliable, economical load lugger… used it as a pseudo van for a few years. Pre-facelift they looked better imo. Bloke I sold it to in 2011 still has it and it still lives…..
I ran Vectra Estates for 15 years. Quite simply the best family car at the time. First one i bought new in 2005, a 1.9 dti 120PS. Replaced that after 10 years with an identical 3.2 Automatic same year, same colour. They were both great cars.
I did about 100k miles in a petrol 1.8 SRI .
Great car , very reliable.
Sold it to a scrap dealer at about 135k miles and still going strong for £350 about 3 years ago .
I must have been mad .
Oh yes ! An estate ! The dying breed of common sense motoring. These days they push us to buy those suv-s for no good reason.
I've had 2 1.9cdti and a vectra vxr all been bullet proof and I'm not light on my right foot ❤
that car looks incredibly practical. the boot looks mahooosive! I reckon there's years of life in it so well done for giving it some love.
Well done Matt. A gleaming car for £3295. . ... possibly a future classic ❤
It's amazing I'm 2024 there aren't any old cheap cars anymore, just "future classics" 😂
Vectras were great cars and very common until they tightened up the smoke test on the MOT, as most of them were diesel’s this killed most of them along with the mk 4 Mondeo.
Yeah my 1.9 cdti 120bhp couldn't get through the MOT and had to scrap it, even though it was 100% functional and never let me down, still have the 56 plate 3.0l V6 Elite estate, ideal towing car, and gets 56mpg as well, plus pulls like a train.
An old 3.0 v6 petrol gets 56mpg?, what are you smoking? 😂😂😂
@@jonnygti it's diesel
@@jonnygtiIsuzu 3.0 V6 diesel
@@workonesabs ah ok, I thought they were a petrol. But Vauxhall did actually do a 3.0 v6 petrol didn’t they, from that kind of ere too?that’s why I got confused there!
Hi Matt although you did not make comment when you jumped into the back seat of the Vectra it was clearly obvious you was impressed with the room within the rear of it.
something that I always found to be the case having many years ago having a Vectra Elegance comparing the internal space of the Vectra to my C class Mercedes the Vectra knocked spots of the Merc.
When Vauxhall made proper cars... I loved my Vectra SRI diesel. Not the most exciting car to drive, but it munched the miles and never let me down.
12 seconds after posting and im here!
Thank you, Matt, for keep making these think-out-loud narration videos where you embark on a step-by-step process of preparing a car for selling after your purchase.
The journey continues to be extremely educational in car knowledge and money management. It results in entertaining viewing as well.
I hope you continue to create this content forever since this is the main reason I watch them!
I'm sure many others agree!👌🏽💫💯
My pleasure!
I agree.
I currently own 2 Vectra C's One Hatchback and one estate. Both are 3.0 V6 Diesels, both are brilliant! Nice to see someone saving one instead of scrapping it or parting it out! Good work!
One of the last sensible and decent family cars. I had two Vectras and both were petrol SRi models and were both reliable and good performers
Although Clarkson didn't like these I genuinely think they're alright, the best ones being the police variants, you'd think it's an ordinary boring vauxhall but then you hear the V6 Turbo speeding down, an unbelievable sleeper car
it was the previous model the mk1 he hated
I had a 3.0lt V6 Diesel Ex Traffic Car and unfortunately it was poop. Had been chipped (P Box fitted plus bigger injectors) but had fitted by Garage Moron who didn't know what they were doing. Bought with 36k, police service history (which practically stated it was broken from new!!) and I still bought it. 😂😂😂
@@teatimetel174 He preferred the look of this generation which is understandable but if I remember he didn't like the way it handled considering it was meant to be an ordinary saloon & estate car not for something to be thrashed around in
@@richardhunt1384 Wow, personally I wouldn't buy an Ex traffic car considering the things they probably would of went through and how much they were pushed to the limit, even with regular servicing but 36k miles is very good, but at least you didn't overspend like Matt 😂😂
I couldn't stop laughing when you called it a bit boxy when you drive round in a Landy 🤣
Personally steer clear of vehicles with tow bars , they've either dragged horse boxes or caravans so even low mileage ones could have had a hard life ( was that straw I just saw in the wheel well ? ) 😁
Glad you rescued it though as this is such a practical motor and sure it won't stay long on your forecourt 👍
I have one myself. Its a 2008 1.9 cdti estate OPC line, manual. And i absolutely adore and love it.
Im currently having some problems with the radiator "hoze" (it's a metal pipe) im leaking coolant.
But i absolutely love this car and i still have lot's of plans for it, (tuning, styling that kind of fun stuff)
i purchased one of these 12 months old back in the day with 10k miles on the clock, i took it to 86k miles and it towed my twin axel caravan, the car was one of the best cars ive ever owned and i do miss it.
I love the saloon more. Looks brand new Matt, worth saving, great engine and spec!
Great video and work as usual Matt, ive never seen a Vectra automatic. :D
Thanks!
I dont get UK car market at all, all used cars cost almost the same. 2007 vectra, Audi a8, Range Rover, Opel Corsa, Ssangyong all cost around 1500£.
I really like the vectra c, I had and 1.9cdti Sri xp, such a good underrated car, I lowered mine 30mm fitted a vxr steering wheel and gear knob. Plus remap. It was such a good car. Still look back fondly on that
Nice one Matt, I think thats a beauty. Lets face it, it may be old but it was good in its day, and its not been badly treated. I am sure so long as its viewed by folk, it will sell easy. Best of luck.
I had the 1.8vvt petrol also SRI and in (sapphire) black. Mine was the 5sp manual, did the best part of 100mph in 3rd gear (apparently).
Whilst it wasn’t necessarily great at anything, it did most things quite well.
Do you know I really wanted one of these at one point. I lived in Walkden and they were always used as taxis. I loved the SRI spec with the 150bhp diesel. No idea why? Thought it was quite a sporty drive and good looks. Still wouldn't mind one now. Once you like a car, you always have a soft spot for it as an enthusiast! 😂 I can be an absolute junker to everyone else but an enthusiast will be grinning ear to ear as they jump of out of a much nicer car to drive one of their hero cars. Also bore people to death as you recite stuff like 'this model on comes with these wheels' or 'it's a Fiat unit originally' it's a sure why to confirm to any potential date that you're on the spectrum! 😂😂
I actually looked forward to this when you first hinted last week about the forthcoming video. I don’t know why but I really like this shape Vectra, whiff of the underdog about it.
thats the same as mine apart ive got black leather ave fuel is around 54 mpg and will sit at well above legal speed all day if needed
I've owned (and still own) 2 Vectra's since 2007. The first was a 2 litre petrol that had 176,000 miles at the end and the current is a 1.8vvt, has 89,000 miles and I've owned it for six years. Yes a dad's car all the way and super reliable. Cheap for parts and good on fuel. A very bland car inside but they handle very well for a large car. Not keen on the diesel engine and the DM flywheel. The was also a problem with the diesel inlet manifold flaps too. Cool video as always.
He’s back !, was starting to worry about you Matt, do love a massive overspend, car turned out great though, as an old codger that grew up driving MK4 cortina’s and various other box shaped cars I still like this type of car 👍
had the same car in the same colour and sold at 190k miles. had its issues but fitted a whole dismantled garden shed in the back. Proper workhorse
Had a slightly mapped 1.9cdti estate for a few months, surprisingly fast huge bootspace and for a big bus quite entertaining to drive, apart from when a brake pipe blew as I came off a motorway apart from trying to kill me I really liked it
Were you married when that brake pipe came adrift?
@@brendandoherty2159 🤣🤣
I love that you keep old cars on the road. I have an 10 plate Honda Accord Tourer GT auto, 2.0l petrol VTEC. 107k miles on the clock, serviced every year and drives like new.
Had one of these almost 10 years ago, 1.9d Sri - bought for £900 I think and loved the size of the diesel estate. Fuel pipe once fell off and pissed diesel everywhere & had to get recovered, fine other than that. Traded it for an e53 x5 that broke loads but no regrets.
I think it looks great for an old car and will make a nice car for someone for plenty more years
Thankyou for making this video 📹 about the vectra c, you have done a great job on this car 🚙, every penny is worth keeping this beautiful car on the road, i currently own one myself, exact same one (elite) top spec. Milage is 250.000, It is burgundy in colour and with a cream leather interior and yes it does sound 🔊like a truck 🚚 , that diesel noise is just stunning, sadly the timing belt snapped on mine and its been off the road (sorn) with dvla for about 6 years, its my beautiful ferrai and i have no plans on selling it, im abit broke at the moment, however i would like to get the whole car fully refurbished one day INSHALLAH..!!!
Low mileage relative to age is actually not a good sign. Because it means the car has either been driven short distances (mostly or exclusively) or has rarely been driven, neither of which is desirable. If I were to choose between 2 examples of the same car model (same age, engine, transmission, service history), where one has, say, 60k milrs on the clock and the other has 120k or more, I'd always pick the latter, even though most people would do the opposite.
Had a Vectra long time 18 years ago, above average mileage, never let me down. It was hatchback, amazing space with seats down. Sold it to nephew he kept it for years, never did any maintenance on it, didn't even change oil as oil plug was jammed. He called it miracle car, started first time everytime. Only sent it to scrap when the central locking started fail. Vauxhalls always seem quite reliable and cheap to repair.
Great video! Well worth spending your time and money on this car 👍🏻 someone will get a properly sorted,versatile motor and probably one of the best examples of this model 👏🏻👍🏻
I've had a Signum for over 12 years, and it has been the most reliable car I've owned.
Water leaks on the passenger side are a common fault, leaves and funk block the drain behind the scuttle panel. When you opened the bonnet there were leaves there which is how it starts. It's an easy fix, just lift the trap door on the scuttle and look inside, if theres water, poke a stick in and watch out for wet feet!
Signums are rare as rocking horse shht 👌🏼
A couple I knew years ago had a red one, the turbo petrol.
That’s the only one I’ve ever seen in the flesh
@@Dan23_7 they are a bit thin on the ground now. My one was featured on Furious Driving a while back.
Driving a 07 hatch now, 1.8 vvt 140hp, got a scab on the same arch, similar mileage. 5th year of ownership, it's a good solid motor.
I don't know why but i love the look of the Vectra, the car look mint, well done Matt
Interesting,Thankyou. This is a decent example of a solid, well specified car that should now provide several more years of service. These last of the line CDTIs were real motorway hacks and are surprisingly reliable. How many of these have been scrapped in the name of ULEZ I wonder?
I just bought a 2 owner, 08, Sri Estate,petrol, history file is unbelievable and it is totally unmarked, I have had many many cars and can safely say it is one of my favourites. Needed something big for my kids and we are all impressed.
Absolutely nothing wrong with these. They drive okay, are massively spacious and the 1.9 Fiat diesel is a cracking engine. As a workhorse you can't do better.
I used to have an Insignia and my least favorite thing about it was the noisy Fiat diesel. They’re reliable, however. Just like the car in general.
I’ve always liked the Vectras, all of them actually. I actually checked the Finnish equivalent to autotrader the other day and while Vectras used to be absolutely everywhere, there were just a handful for sale and exactly half of them were 2.2 or larger. There used to be tons of 1.8 etc ones but they are all gone.
Still, if we are thinking about going green - this the most ecological route you can take - just give these cars a new life and keep using them! There's nothing wrong with them, just a bit of love and they are happy again! Thanks for keeping good cars on the road and giving them a second life! :) Let's not give in to the consumer psychology and buy stuff just in the sake of buying - these are perfectly good cars that deserve love! :)
Great video Matt,,,one the most underrated cars I think,,,,
A very practical car and I am sure it will sell with a bit of a discount. The jobs you have done have truly rejuvenated it and it will give several years of trouble free motoring
Lovely car, I had one and it was bullet proof. Slept in the back of it at Stonehenge with the Missus on Solstice, Then drove down to Cornwall the day after and hammered the country lanes for 2 weeks. Following year we went to Solstice then onto Wales. All the hills and it never missed a beat. Wish i'd kept it. SRI 150 HFP. That is an absolute beauty you have there.
I had the diesel saloon as my first company car when I was 21. Did 60k miles over 2 years and LOVED it. It was just perfect on the motorway!
Here in europe we have the Vectra GTS .. its the hatchback version
I like it very much , it has a sportive look and drives very good, solid and easy
I loved my Vectra C. I had a 2008 XP2 in pomegranate red. I bought it when it was 18 months old with 17k on the clock. Sold it when it was 10 years old and it had 71k on the clock and bought a VX Line Insignia.....not half the car the Vectra was.
I bought a Black Sapphire, 54 plate, V6 3.0 CDTI, hatchback, in 2006 and had it for 5 years. It was a wonderful car.
Well done Matt. They certainly look good after you've worked your magic on them.
Thanks 👍
I feel "I have massively overspent " stickers would sell well. Just spent 1k on fixing our 20year,100k miles fiat doblo, garage said scrap it and but something else, partner insisted she really likes the darn thing...
Nice one Matt I like the Vauxhal Vetra . It's a good practical car . And you did a very good job making it look superb
Well done you will get the price you asked for it
Kevin from Rainy Radcliffe
My wife had an Elite Vectra as a company car in about 2009. It was one of the most comfortble cars we had, owing to 2 huge leather armchairs in the front. Once had a nightmare journey up north and stepped out of the car 8 hours later with no hint of a backache. It wasn't classy or desirable, but VERY comfortable!
as an Australian I love when he says "it just wants a good clean this ya know" a billion times in his little accent hehe
Hi Matt my daughter has a 2008 one, she loves it! Its recently been running back and forth from Keighley and Aberdeen with no problems massive inside
That's a great car, if I was looking for a new car I'd buy it, I'm not a number plate snob.
Had an Opel Vectra Estate 2005 for 5 years while I studied and what a work horse!
Even tho mine got minimal of care it ran great with its sweet 2.0T and you could load a lot of Ikea stuff in it :D
Brilliant episode
Very practical solid car
I had this engine in my Astra Sri 07 plate never had a problem and pulled well.
Brought back happy memories
Thank you
I like it. This era Vauxhall always felt solid. I had a boggy saloon. It was scabby but didn't suffer the newly wed squeak bed fest sounds of older cars. My honda is the same age. It sounds like every part is having a conversation depending on the temperature.