The fact that there is a truck driving in and out of your narrow garage, while you are parking there, should tell you everything about the accuracy of Vision
@@ironicgoose9913NO they did, DO NOT doubt Elon Musk, he in fact modeled for more than you think, that truck is in "imaginary numbers 5th field" dimension just that we're not capable of entering the imaginary number 5th fiels dimension, he modeled to prevent if they ever came or we go accidentally in their dimension Elon is so ahead of it's time Praise Elon Musk
@@anthony49812 This is a flawed move. They didn't remove them for innovation, but cost cutting. The AP camera is unreliable as is in strong sun or really heavy snow, so how do you expect a company that has yet to remove those glitches to suddenly upgrade the parking situation? There is a reason they are going back to sensors. I purchased a 2021 Model for that exact reason, and just this morning those sensors came in handy, giving my 50 cm to the car behind me and 50 cm to the car in front during paralell parking.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that you actually added dirt to the rear-view camera to test if that'd impair its ability? I love creators that go that extra step to be thorough
Either Tesla Vision needs to make insane improvements to the capability or they need to add some aftermarket capability to restore a level of coverage achieved by USS sensors. Great video.
Tesla Vision, has a lot of room for improvement. Tesla like to think of themselves as a software company, so with Tesla Vision they can update the capabilities of the software over the air. May not me the same case for USS.
@@thegeekdeveloper Well legally, I doubt people can win a case as they were knowingly taking delivery of a car without Ultrasonic sensors. Anyway, I think removing USS is the best long-term action, but a software alternative should have been ready when they did so. Undoubtedly the pure vision system can work, so it's just a matter of time.
@@sebastianorye2702 There seem to be blind spots that the cameras can't see (lower down around the bumper), not sure how that can be fixed by software...
I've seen a few videos on this subject by now. I know Tesla likes to push the boundaries of what is acceptable but it still baffles me how this ever got past quality control. It's just completely not working on the front. I'd expect a lot of damaged front bumpers, curious what their liability will be.
I think the problem is Elon wanted the USS removed to save money and the engineers were forced to make do with the technology they have. Unfortunately not having a camera on the bumper makes it hard to see down there.
@@kle1231 i agree, but it doesn't make it hard, it makes it inpossible, a person that doesn't have eyes won't be able to see, the same logic aplies here, the car won't see obstacles because it can't, they should have kept sensors in the front or added an extra camera, they won't be able to fix this with software, as it's seems technically impossible to me. Saying this I'm still planning to get a model y, i would just end up reversing everywhere as the backup camera is still really good.
@Izzet Karahancer so you're telling me, as a human driver, if you're stopped at a stop sign and a cat walks in front of your car where you can no longer see it, you will suddenly not know its there because it's not in your line of sight? If your answer to the above is yes, you shouldn't be driving. If your answer to the above is "no" then you understand your memory infers where something is even when you can't see it. The occupancy network aims to do what humans do with their memory. I think Tesla Vision parking assist will get a LOT better than it is currently; however, I don't think it'll ever be as good as the USS version- even if Tesla added a nose camera. I suspect we may see a HD radar return to Tesla vehicles (musk didn't rule it out- read his tweets saying he'd use one if it was high definition enough) and this HD radar could be used to see things super close to the car with extreme accuracy.
@@Unkn0wnC0mmand Yes, I will know the cat is there and I will know not to move forward. I will, however, not know how far the cat if from my bumper if I can't see it. Once the cat goes under the blind spot, I can no longer tell how far it is from the car. I just know there's a cat there. I will not know if it's 10 inches away or 2 inches away from the car. Maybe it ran away to the side. I will just know that it's there. The classic Schrödinger's cat. Back to this parking application, the point of these parking assist system is to make our lives easier with parking. The system should assist us and help us get as close as possible to our intended parking space without hitting something. Can I park without it? Sure. Just like how I can get from point A to B by just walking instead of driving. If the parking assist just as good as our memory, then that defeats the purpose of the system. Remember, the point of these system is to help us, the drivers, see spots that we normally wouldn't be able to see. The argument of "it works like our memory" isn't as sound as you think. I also wouldn't based release things off of Musk's tweets. They are merely aspirational goals -- he went to court over this and claimed that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously. Only take a look at what was actually released and how it works, not the product that is promised to be delivered. I do hope that one day this will get fixed and that vision can achieve parity with USS parking sensors. I just wouldn't hold my breath because it's also been about year since vision based window wipers and it still very flaky during the rain. So flaky, that Tesla just went ahead and release the feature that allow us to change our wiper speed from the steering wheel instead of the touchscreen.
If the system has its limits, they just have to low down the quality requirement to mach what it can do... Hey! no miracle. It's still way better than no system at all. You just have to know that you can't rely on it, that's all. You have already done that with the automatic light, and the automatic wiper and more likely some other stuffs. Anyway, when you pay a paint that you can find anywhere else for the third of the price, you can have an assistant who gets out of the car to guide you. And if you buy the autopilot option not even ready for a decade and at a price even more indecent, you even can have a driver who deals with all the lacking tech for you, and it's fully operational already. 👍 😁
Great test! To be honest, TVision is not ready to be safe now.. It is ridiculous to buy expensive car without working park-assistant :-) Even Dacia Spring works better during parking :-)
I had parking assist in a late model Volvo. It was garbage. Couldn’t get it to engage; just a waste of time. I have a vision Tesla and although I do miss the Birds Eye view of many cars now, its cameras are good and lack of USS in practice isn’t going to be a problem for me.
This is a must-see video! (maybe even for Tesla) I generally think it's good that Tesla is testing and exceeding the limits of technology, but with the parking sensors in the current camera configuration, it probably went too far. For a car in this price range, it is unacceptable that there is no good parking assistance, especially in the front. With the USS in my Model 3 I never hit an obstical so far. So until they fix this I will stick to my M3.😊
Vision only was the biggest swing and miss by Tesla to date in my opinion. My wife has a model 3 with USS and I have a new Model Y vision only and the park assist is not even in the same ball park. Park assist with vision only is no where near sufficient.
It takes Tesla too long to admit when they were wrong and to correct it. We are still waiting for them to fix phantom braking which is quite dangerous. The radar and parking sensor removal more bad ideas. I can't with a good conscience buy a Tesla until they get this stuff sorted out. That silver looks VERY nice. Hoping they will start to give us more colors and choices, but doesn't appear likely.
When I first heard the announcement I assumed Tesla will add cameras for stereoscopic view like with human eyes to add depth. But no, they kept cameras as is. Will be interesting to see if this ever gets developed properly.
What a yoke Tesla vision are! Flickering lines, a truck appearing and disappearing, distance is inaccurate. Comparing with the camera measurements tool in a iphone for example that can do quite consistent measurements. I think Tesla is too obsessed with FSD and doesn't realise that most customer don't give a shit about self driving and just wants to have standard driver assistance that can be relied upon.
I think something Tesla missed out on from someone who sometimes works with ML is adding a closed training loop between information from a USS based system and Tesla Vision. This should make the Tesla Vision product better over time. Though, from my view, not having a camera on the bumper is a true hardware limitation. edit: I'm basically saying removing the sensors this early in development is a pretty non-consumer approach.
The best in deep test I’ve seen of Tesla Vision Park assist. Great job! At the moment Tesla Vision is not reliable. Besides missing a front bumper camera I also think that the current CPU is not fast enough to compute a reliable distance measurement while slowly driving. I always have the impression that the measure is behind with some ms to even more than a second in some cases. You can see this easily while driving and stopping in a queue.
Thanks for making this video. It was only a hour ago I was talking with my partner about adding a Tesla to the garage. Now the wait will be longer after seeing this.
My Model Y performance is 10 days old now. My driveway and carport is very narrow and crowded here in Bangkok. My MYP is from China and it has all the ultrasonic sensors and Radar. 😊. It measures the close quarter accurately and has prevented me from running over my son’s bicycle. I was very worried that China would switch to “Tesla Vision” and kept asking the local sales teams about the first cars that have arrived before mine that I ordered on the first day. I think Low front camera like the C8 corvette will be a welcome addition. Incidentally we picked up our car and had zero complaints about fit and finish.
I think they need to add a low-ground level camera on the front to complement the vision range of the top camera and increase the field of view. Also for epic driving footage. Not only could they use it for presented scenarios to correctly identify objects right in front, but also for other stuff like .. detecting if the road pavement/edge/borders are low enough to not scratch the bumper.
lol its 2023 and we are talkign about USS kinda sad for tesla. unlike the fan boys doing a test and sayign wow so amazing its refreshing to see someone being honest.
Cool test. And with the results as guessed before I watched the video. Glad both my teslas got sensor’s because the vision version I something I never could understand why they went for. They will guaranteed come back with a new sensor solution. And then there will be a lot of cars with different solutions. Lucky them that got cars with sensors.
This is also a great video to visually show the difference between the two. And now I'm at odds with buying a newer model or older model. Especially the Model 3. We lose some features with Vision, but I'm pretty sure they'll make an over the air software update for Vision. But I'm rolling with the USS
Tesla vision will get better but there's physical and technical limitation on current hardware that will make it very hard or impossible (my thoughts) to get on par with the USS.
I have ordered a Model 3 Performance which of course will be vision only. It has advantages and disadvantages, tbh I wish Tesla had left the USS in but oh well, never mind. One thing is the M3 has a lower bonnet line (but also a lower roofline which may negate this point) than the MY so perhaps the front camera may be a little bit more reliable?
Yes, a little less of a dead angle. But there's still a dead angle. But in all other aspects a great car. Back up into narrow spaces and you will be just fine. 🙂
Ok, Vision sees something. Once it doesn't see it anymore, it forgets about it. That's the mistake. Vision needs to remember the last position and coordinates of the object, so that with the movement of the car taken into account, it can predict that there is still the object, even if the camera doesn't show it anymore. It needs a memory and temporal predictions. That way it can warn correctly even if the object leaves the camera view.
Yeah, I had expected object permanence to be a bigger part of it, and it clearly is there to some degree, however at a low quality. FSD Beta manages to do this well with moving objects, so I had expected a higher level. Nonetheless, they'll eventually get it fixed as with all their software.
Thank you for sharing valuable input to potential buyers so they can make an informed decision. As Tesla are working to replace the MY next spring it seems unlikely they will address these shortcomings in this model/version.
Great comparison. I drive a 2023 model Y and Tesla Vision is pretty much useless... It only helps where you don't need it, i.e. longer distances (>50cm).
Thank you. Just what I thought. I was planning to order a new Tesla but I need better position detection and will hold off. Why does Tesla make things worse for us-just don’t understand.
A few ideas for a future test: 1) Check if the pavement is shown by the USS sensors. 2) Check which of the front cameras is used for Tesla Vision (by obscuring the others). It seems to me that it is not the ultra wide angle camera, but the normal one?
He doesn't need to test point 1 as he mentions that the USS sensors will not pick up a mere pavement change. I will go further and mention that is by design by the way. You can figure out the reason for that.
I have a June 2023 M3 with only Tesla vision and I concede it doesn’t work, but with my eyes driving forward or the rear camera in reverse I have zero problems parking. How is this such a significant problem under real world parking conditions? I’m more bothered by the semi-trucks it thinks are in my garage and all those wavy lines. Wish they would clean that up. Thanks.
They thought they'd have a solution like in a week lmao. Obviously it'll take them at least a year. Being that precise with these strange camera angles for close by things will be complicated. I don't know whether there were part shortages or they were desperate to cut costs, but sure to say having these sensors would be a clear benefit. Even in the future with good software you'll still have a blindspot under the bumper.
Good video. I see a lot of comments about this topic. However, there’s a saying “If you throw enough dirt, something will stick.” Not too long ago, we drove cars without any cameras whatsoever. And now that we do, it’s a make or break and we need the best technology. Then again, if you’re paying over $50K+ for a car, it should come with top notch features.
Thanks a lot for your test cases! Appreciate your efforts. Basically confirming that current occupamcy neural networks seem to ignore box shapes. My hope for improvement is the nature of ML/ AI that this will get better with more real data coming in...
Tried it with a hedge. It saw something but showed STOP around 50cm before the hedge, so way to early. Tried it next to a tree, did not see the tree at all, probably because there is a blind stop of the cameras there.
Updated comment - Well I now have my 2023 model Y LR vehicle received Aug 2023. It also has HW4 and the newer cameras. For my situations in using Tesla Vision (no sensors), it works fine for me. I do know the limitations of Tesla Visions with the front camera trying to see over the front hood. Some people may not like this change, I find it to be no problem, but I am not that fussy either. Pulling into my home garage it works quite well. Anyway, I shall see if there are any problems the more driving I do with the Model Y. Thanks for the video and take care.
Thanks for this. I was looking so much forward to buying this new Model Y. So fast and practical. But unfortunately, this is a huge dealbreaker. Damn you, Tesla. Then I have to look elsewhere 👎🏼 I don't understand customers who would spend their money on this. Not worth it and not very premium.
I´m in the same situation. It´s unbeliviable that they removed the sensors without being close to a working solution (if they ever find it). They could have had it as an very expensive option (3000$ for USS, or something) and I would have bought it every day.
Consider the whole car, what you get for the money, and how it compares with other EVs at this price. If the main criteria is a fine set of parking sensors, then there are better options out there. For me, range, efficiency, charging practicality, acceleration and chassis capability are more important.
From what I’ve seen with this fine video and others, Tesla Vision is not adequate atm (and may never be?) for parking vs USS, self parking, and summon. However, Out of Spec Reviews tested a Vision only Model 3 Performance (I think it had USS but not front radar?) and it received the highest Autopilot score over a challenging route, beating the 2019 radar equipped M3P.
Obstacle detection while driving is also fundamentally different compared to close-range obstacle detection needed e.g. when parking or maneuvering in narrow streets. I think this score is simply not applicable to the topic discussed.
I have a 2023 model 3 and absolutely love it except for 2 annoying flaws. 1. The automatic wipers need to be fixed and fine tuned, hopefully it’s an update issue and not a sensor/camera one. 2. The vision system is an absolute joke! Hate it! My brother has the previous model with USS and it’s so spot on and much better in every way than vision. Again hopefully over time it’ll improve but so far those are the only two real issues that have been constantly bothering me with my model 3
@@ItsOnlyElectric Indeed...one other thing that is pretty poor is the TACC - traffic aware cruise control, in stop start traffic. Here on EU/UK models at least it is terrible as it surges up to the car in front then brakes too harshly - so it's all very jerky. That and glitchy auto wipers are the 2 biggest things i noticed not working when coming from my previous VW mk7 Golf. The automatic high beam used to be awful too, but after an update it's actually not too bad (but still they should have rolled out matrix headlights by now, my car has them but no implementation yet)
There are so many merits to owning an older gen Tesla. My 2020 Model 3 Performance has the USS, I can change to drift mode by putting most of the power to the rear wheels, and I also have lifetime free premium connectivity, which is otherwise around $7 per month here in Korea. Also, because the older gens do not have the heat pump, I get better mileage during the warmer seasons (Spring, Summer, Autumn). I do get slightly worse mileage during the wintertime, but it's only 1 or 2 months where I would see a positive return from having a heat pump.
thanks for the video, good stuff. i have 2020 MY LR in NY and have 2023 quiksilver in tel aviv, also with 6.11 (thankfully got 6.9 the day after I took delivery phew!). I think some of the errors and misses with Vision are flukey, but the inconsistency is itself an issue. Also I have problems in my apt's underground garage, and in the most challenging section (perhaps due to loss of cell reception?) it suddenly says "Park Assist unavailable" or something like that, which is an absolute killer. You never had downtime with the USS's. Hopefully it'll improve and iterate, and hopefully very quickly...thanks again!
Great video and I've always believe removing USS was due to a supply chain issue and a mistake by Elon. It's never going to be accurate or close to USS measurements, which is sad for 2023 cars...
My M3 is extremely accurate (within 5 cm of accuracy) but that's when parking backwards and with side obstacles. I never park it forwards for a number of reasons primary of which is that the camera placement in the front makes it impossible for the distance measuring system to be fully accurate (i.e. The front camera can't see the ground almost a meter in front of the car so Tesla Vision can't possibly be accurate in that direction). I miss the mock "360 degree camera" from my old car. It made accurate parking a breeze.
I hope they'll change their mind and reintroduce radars and ultrasonic sensors...camera only solution can simply not work for many reasons (camera is dirty, fog, etc) and it adds complexity for no benefits (processing images is much more complicated than processing signals from sensors)...
I like the semi truck in your garage :DDD I dont own a Tesla (yet), but got a late 2022 Model Y from sixt with a friend for 5 days. We drove it to Italy and back to germany (around 2000km). It was only good weather so the parking and distance control on highways worked good but I would really like if they bring the radar and the parking sensors back. Its just the best solution and they should also think about Lidar for autopilot. Vision only is just not good enough for a "self driving" car.
I always thought the Tesla vision would rely on memory to know if objects would be outside its field of view upon approach. Seems like it just forgets everything when it can't see.
I was about to hit the order button. But fortunately I came across it myself through my investigations. I had two test drives with the Model Y and both times a model before October 2022 (with sensors). The Tesla employee did NOT mention twice that the parking sensors will no longer be available in the latest model. An absolute cheek! Tesla deliberately plays the customers for stupid in my eyes. It can't be that I put so much money down for the Model Y and it doesn't even have a parking assistant that works. Every small car has this feature these days and laughs about it. It is also unacceptable that Tesla leaves customers out in the cold and not better informed. I hope the class action lawsuits against Tesla that are currently being prepared in Germany will be filed as soon as possible. It is also incomprehensible to me how Tesla can keep this mess under the table. I'm hoping sales will finally collapse for Tesla to act. Don't get me wrong, I love the Model Y, but I just can't ignore it. That's just a huge mistake Tesla made. And as long as Tesla hasn't solved the problem, I won't buy the Model Y, which unfortunately also annoys me a lot. So Tesla, change that shit! I'm also willing to pay more for it! But removing such an important feature for cost reasons is a bad joke!!! People who can't afford a Tesla should look for another car.
I just bought an in inventory base model M3 RWD in June 2023 and took advantage of the $2400.00 price reduction. I bought it on Saturday and picked it up on Tuesday. With federal and state incentives, destination fee, order fee, and sales tax it cost just over $32k. With trade in of my 2012 Forester with 108,000 miles, it’s total cost is just under $25k. If poorly functioning Tesla vision is such a barrier to your ownership, then you shouldn’t buy it. For me, it’s trivial and I have zero problems parking using my own vision and rear camera. I’m very happy with the purchase, but it appears it would not be right for you.
@@BobbieGWhiz Seriously? Non functioning park distance control is trivial? You've spent an absolute sum of money, and you have a feature that you've paid for that doesn't work. I mean calling that trivial is astonishing and nonsensical. Look, I can't conscionably buy a Tesla because they wont include RCTA and I have children and as such won't accept such a deadly omission. But absolutely their electric powertrain is the best by far, by far and away actually. Now buying a Tesla despite it using vinyl seats instead of leather; that may well we trivial to. Sure. Despite it not having life saving RCTA; trivial to you? Again, it may be so. I get it. But having a feature that you paid for doesn't work? Goodness me. You may be happy with your purchase but your confirmation bias is .. if not blatant.
@@robertc869 I respect that it’s not trivial to you. I’ve never had a car that has had parking sensors and that’s how I learned to park, so it just isn’t as important to me as it is to you. Different people see things differently. On another point you made, the sum of my I paid for the the M3 RWD (after government incentives and unloading my old trade in) wasn’t a whole lot in 2023, in my opinion.
Yeah, vision makes no sense because the camera isn't mounted to the front bumper. That's a terrible design flaw since the plan on getting rid of the sensors.
@@ItsOnlyElectric Only if they really mount the cameras where they've been speculated. I believe there will be some near the headlights and maybe one in the bumper. Not sure. Information has been all over the place. But, the fact that they are rolling out vision "capable" cars that won't have that hardware is questionable to say the least. And it will be too expensive to retrofit. So wouldn't that meant they are making those cars obsolete. It would've made more sense to wait for hardware 4 to start implementing vehicle changes. Especially when surprising customers with changes without announcements.
Very informative tests. Thank you. I think you should always measure free horizontal distances, not at an angle because the driver surely wants to know how far the car can be safely driven.
I did it to illustrate the angle of the lens of the camera in one vad don't know if it's the one you are referring to. But on short distance with a small angle the hypothesis is almost the same as the base = negligible distance. But when it comes to Tesla vision it doesn't seem to matter since the precision is far from close the real distance anyway. 🙂
As someone who is about to pick up their 2024 Model Y this video has been extremely educational. Now I know to only back into things for the next few years until Tesla *maybe* figures out the vision thing. Frankly I doubt they'll ever get it working as good as the ultrasonic sensors (I work in AI / robotics) :(
As I said also in other places, these cars without parking sensors will not age well. Their owners will pay for a lot more repairs than usual or necessary. RsSymons tested these cars also and he could reverse and hit a huge orange trash bin and also a human standing in front (or rear, don't remember) of the car. Purely awful.
@@shannell5948 You must be kidding. We are talking about a car that is supposed to drive itself, park itself. Not having those sensors, it cannot do those things. Every other car at this price point has the sensors. Watch RSymons tests to see how these Teslas cannot detect a huge orange trash bin behind the car, some boxes in front of the car and how it actually hits people.
I have two Model 3's and cancelled the replacement M3 due to lack of USS. As one of them is only used for local journeys, starting to look for alternative makes.
Tack för att du engagerar dig i alla dessa tester.. 😀👍🏻👍🏻 Det är väl för att kameran sitter vid taket och då filmar den över bänken som är framför bilen. Inte acceptabelt, men en förklaring till varför den visar 50 cm kvar, när det egentligen är 0 cm kvar..
Utter garbage (the car's performance, not your video), standard parking sensors work far better. Owners will definitely hit obstacles as a result of this poor quality system
Totally unreliable! Even dangerous. I am glad I cancelled my order, when I discovered USS had been removed. Feel sorry for all those buyers who paid a lot for what is unlikely to work any time soon.
I happened to be looking to replace a USS for a Cadillac and the dealer wanted $125 to install a new one. Went online and was able to find a 2 pack from China for $25. Installing them is just unplugging the old and plugging in the new. If I can get these sensors for $12 a piece, it should be a no brainer to put on a premium vehicle. The cheapest cars have USS because they are very cheap components. This kinda cost savings for Elon is shameful for someone charging $1000 for plastic wheel caps.
ok this is actually a bit stupid. Mono vision depth prediction for random walls is challenging. At least keep 2 ultrasonic sensors at the front and rear if you have to save money.
In the Test 4, the car didn't see the box on the ground because the box was too low for the camera to see it. You need to back up at least 10 -15 meters in order for the camera to see it first, then it'll be able to estimate the distance. Yes, it sucks, but what else can we do?
They just try to increase the marges, by removing essential hardwares, because they are good in marketing. We have seen that with the radar, the backup processor for safety and now the ultra sonic sensors. It's a total success, the margin is rising even more than it was already high. As long as the customers keep swallowing the incredibly creative arguments they are giving them in the marketing department, then it should be OK. And we all know how much inconditionnel fans can swallow. Tesla should be fine, don't worry guys. It might even increase the service centers incomes if people crash into stuffs around. It could be a very good leverage effect. 👍
This is the reason I bought a 2022 model 3. Why the F would you replace something that works with something that doesn't? They should at least introduce a front bumper camera if they want to go vision only.
Hi! I have a model x with uss but after i updated the software i think my car used the vision based system, is there a way to revert it? Or to say that my car should only use the uss? Great video btw!😊
No, nothing to do. Just lean back and hope for a better software. Check upgrade notes before upgrading next time to avoid updates that phases out the USS. But, at the end you still need to update. 🙂
What was tesla thinking? how can it figure out whats gong on in front of the bumper if its using the camera on the wind shield ? It must look at whats below it as you go forward, then "guess and remember" what it sees as you get closer. And that estimating system is not ready for prime time yet.
I received Model Y recently everything is excellent but I feel that the accelerator pedal is too hard to press. This is not the case when I did a test drive on the Demo vehicle. Do any settings need to change to smoothen the pedal?
For me it‘s most Important to know „it just doesn‘t work, trust your eyes & feelings“. But wondering how that makes it to the street anyway. Worst thing is that there is no easy fix - the angle of cam is like it is. Let‘s hope Machine Learning will improve the overall experience.
It for sure will do a difference. Higher resultion and bringing back high resolution radar. Maybe new positions or additional cameras too, don't know for the highland project (model 3 update/facelift).
There’s definitely a reason why Tesla on their channel loves posting and showing off the different features of their vehicles and “Tesla Vision” is not one of them. This was a huge step backwards and I hope they realize the mistake they made asap so they can rectify it as they should. These are not cheap cars and if my obsolete 25k Dodge Dart has better parking sensors than any of the new Tesla models then that’s a major problem…
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The fact that there is a truck driving in and out of your narrow garage, while you are parking there, should tell you everything about the accuracy of Vision
I hate that truck. 🤣🤣🤣
It also shows the truck on USS
That's funny that they didn't modelled a garage at the first place. That tells a lot about software is very far away from being ready
@@ironicgoose9913NO they did, DO NOT doubt Elon Musk, he in fact modeled for more than you think, that truck is in "imaginary numbers 5th field" dimension just that we're not capable of entering the imaginary number 5th fiels dimension, he modeled to prevent if they ever came or we go accidentally in their dimension
Elon is so ahead of it's time
Praise Elon Musk
I think he should have used both together until he got Vision better or use sensor where the vision can't see
Thanks Elon. For taking away something that was working well for us and giving us something very broken in its place. Your genius is supreme.
Don’t you dare questioning the ways of our superior master mind!
Probably some manager received a raise for “improving” the software to remove the sensors
Ultra sonic sensors didnt n wor well...
Its funny how they removed sensors and still charged the same price for the longest time.
This is referring to Twitter, isn’t it?
I am using a non USS M3 with TO only and I think this was the biggest mistake in history of Tesla. Good video, good test ! Thx a lot.
Thank you for watching
I Agree!
Is it?
@@anthony49812 This is a flawed move. They didn't remove them for innovation, but cost cutting. The AP camera is unreliable as is in strong sun or really heavy snow, so how do you expect a company that has yet to remove those glitches to suddenly upgrade the parking situation? There is a reason they are going back to sensors.
I purchased a 2021 Model for that exact reason, and just this morning those sensors came in handy, giving my 50 cm to the car behind me and 50 cm to the car in front during paralell parking.
Agreed. Used to have USS in M3. Now have MY 2023 with Tesla Vision only. V disappointed.
This is the best Tesla visions vs ultrasonic sensors testing and comparison I had seen so far.👍
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Yes! indeed! Thanks for your effort! and i didn't know that new 2023 tesla remove ultrasonic sensors!
노력과 영상이 많은 도움이 되었습니다!
Can we take a moment to appreciate that you actually added dirt to the rear-view camera to test if that'd impair its ability?
I love creators that go that extra step to be thorough
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Either Tesla Vision needs to make insane improvements to the capability or they need to add some aftermarket capability to restore a level of coverage achieved by USS sensors. Great video.
Agree. Thanks 🙏
They should recall all the Non-USS cars, or people should go after a lawsuit. This is just unacceptable for a 2022/23 car.
Tesla Vision, has a lot of room for improvement. Tesla like to think of themselves as a software company, so with Tesla Vision they can update the capabilities of the software over the air. May not me the same case for USS.
@@thegeekdeveloper Well legally, I doubt people can win a case as they were knowingly taking delivery of a car without Ultrasonic sensors. Anyway, I think removing USS is the best long-term action, but a software alternative should have been ready when they did so. Undoubtedly the pure vision system can work, so it's just a matter of time.
@@sebastianorye2702 There seem to be blind spots that the cameras can't see (lower down around the bumper), not sure how that can be fixed by software...
I've seen a few videos on this subject by now. I know Tesla likes to push the boundaries of what is acceptable but it still baffles me how this ever got past quality control. It's just completely not working on the front. I'd expect a lot of damaged front bumpers, curious what their liability will be.
I think the problem is Elon wanted the USS removed to save money and the engineers were forced to make do with the technology they have. Unfortunately not having a camera on the bumper makes it hard to see down there.
@@kle1231 i agree, but it doesn't make it hard, it makes it inpossible, a person that doesn't have eyes won't be able to see, the same logic aplies here, the car won't see obstacles because it can't, they should have kept sensors in the front or added an extra camera, they won't be able to fix this with software, as it's seems technically impossible to me.
Saying this I'm still planning to get a model y, i would just end up reversing everywhere as the backup camera is still really good.
@Izzet Karahancer so you're telling me, as a human driver, if you're stopped at a stop sign and a cat walks in front of your car where you can no longer see it, you will suddenly not know its there because it's not in your line of sight?
If your answer to the above is yes, you shouldn't be driving.
If your answer to the above is "no" then you understand your memory infers where something is even when you can't see it.
The occupancy network aims to do what humans do with their memory. I think Tesla Vision parking assist will get a LOT better than it is currently; however, I don't think it'll ever be as good as the USS version- even if Tesla added a nose camera. I suspect we may see a HD radar return to Tesla vehicles (musk didn't rule it out- read his tweets saying he'd use one if it was high definition enough) and this HD radar could be used to see things super close to the car with extreme accuracy.
@@Unkn0wnC0mmand Yes, I will know the cat is there and I will know not to move forward. I will, however, not know how far the cat if from my bumper if I can't see it. Once the cat goes under the blind spot, I can no longer tell how far it is from the car. I just know there's a cat there. I will not know if it's 10 inches away or 2 inches away from the car. Maybe it ran away to the side. I will just know that it's there. The classic Schrödinger's cat.
Back to this parking application, the point of these parking assist system is to make our lives easier with parking. The system should assist us and help us get as close as possible to our intended parking space without hitting something. Can I park without it? Sure. Just like how I can get from point A to B by just walking instead of driving. If the parking assist just as good as our memory, then that defeats the purpose of the system. Remember, the point of these system is to help us, the drivers, see spots that we normally wouldn't be able to see. The argument of "it works like our memory" isn't as sound as you think.
I also wouldn't based release things off of Musk's tweets. They are merely aspirational goals -- he went to court over this and claimed that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously. Only take a look at what was actually released and how it works, not the product that is promised to be delivered.
I do hope that one day this will get fixed and that vision can achieve parity with USS parking sensors. I just wouldn't hold my breath because it's also been about year since vision based window wipers and it still very flaky during the rain. So flaky, that Tesla just went ahead and release the feature that allow us to change our wiper speed from the steering wheel instead of the touchscreen.
If the system has its limits, they just have to low down the quality requirement to mach what it can do... Hey! no miracle.
It's still way better than no system at all. You just have to know that you can't rely on it, that's all. You have already done that with the automatic light, and the automatic wiper and more likely some other stuffs.
Anyway, when you pay a paint that you can find anywhere else for the third of the price, you can have an assistant who gets out of the car to guide you. And if you buy the autopilot option not even ready for a decade and at a price even more indecent, you even can have a driver who deals with all the lacking tech for you, and it's fully operational already. 👍
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Great test! To be honest, TVision is not ready to be safe now.. It is ridiculous to buy expensive car without working park-assistant :-) Even Dacia Spring works better during parking :-)
The latest update 12.1.2022 made it worst. the 6.1.22 was better.
That's sad! Hard to make it worse but apparently possible. 😔
Indeed, in fact I'm already looking to shop for another car, thanks to the stubborness of Elon Tusk
I had parking assist in a late model Volvo. It was garbage. Couldn’t get it to engage; just a waste of time.
I have a vision Tesla and although I do miss the Birds Eye view of many cars now, its cameras are good and lack of USS in practice isn’t going to be a problem for me.
This is a must-see video! (maybe even for Tesla) I generally think it's good that Tesla is testing and exceeding the limits of technology, but with the parking sensors in the current camera configuration, it probably went too far. For a car in this price range, it is unacceptable that there is no good parking assistance, especially in the front. With the USS in my Model 3 I never hit an obstical so far. So until they fix this I will stick to my M3.😊
Vision only was the biggest swing and miss by Tesla to date in my opinion. My wife has a model 3 with USS and I have a new Model Y vision only and the park assist is not even in the same ball park. Park assist with vision only is no where near sufficient.
No it’s actually dangerous
The problem is it’s relying on camera up on the windshield. They need a camera on the front bumper for vision to work reliably.
yet
Wait wtf… I just took delivery and the car is constantly freaking out. At least show me what the camera is seeing
A lot of effort went into this video. The good mic set up, even putting dirt on the camera. Thank you
Thanks for noticing. Glad you liked it.
Hopefully the bumper mounted camera on the Highland update makes it usable, was gonna buy one but decided to wait for the facelift because of this.
I would also wait for highland.
Until it rains
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@@blower1 electric cars can't drive when it's wet outside anyways, we all know that🙃
@@ianzlobec :D bzzzzzzzzt!
It takes Tesla too long to admit when they were wrong and to correct it. We are still waiting for them to fix phantom braking which is quite dangerous. The radar and parking sensor removal more bad ideas. I can't with a good conscience buy a Tesla until they get this stuff sorted out.
That silver looks VERY nice. Hoping they will start to give us more colors and choices, but doesn't appear likely.
When I first heard the announcement I assumed Tesla will add cameras for stereoscopic view like with human eyes to add depth. But no, they kept cameras as is. Will be interesting to see if this ever gets developed properly.
What a yoke Tesla vision are! Flickering lines, a truck appearing and disappearing, distance is inaccurate. Comparing with the camera measurements tool in a iphone for example that can do quite consistent measurements. I think Tesla is too obsessed with FSD and doesn't realise that most customer don't give a shit about self driving and just wants to have standard driver assistance that can be relied upon.
I think something Tesla missed out on from someone who sometimes works with ML is adding a closed training loop between information from a USS based system and Tesla Vision. This should make the Tesla Vision product better over time. Though, from my view, not having a camera on the bumper is a true hardware limitation.
edit: I'm basically saying removing the sensors this early in development is a pretty non-consumer approach.
Just Dumb!
Why no camera in the front bumper? Expense?
@@b4804514I think bugs and grime could be why they're not adopted. Many are forward facing from the rearview mirror but for adaptive cruise control.
@@eleventy-sevenThere are a ton of car producers who made it work though
I'm picking up a new M3 performance next week. This really makes me question my decision to move forward with it. Thanks for the great demonstration.
You will love the car in all other aspects.
1) Cancel order or
2) Drive carefully like an old fashion car
3) Cancel order.
This is the best practical testing that I have seen of Tesla vision. Thanks for putting this together.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
The best in deep test I’ve seen of Tesla Vision Park assist. Great job! At the moment Tesla Vision is not reliable. Besides missing a front bumper camera I also think that the current CPU is not fast enough to compute a reliable distance measurement while slowly driving. I always have the impression that the measure is behind with some ms to even more than a second in some cases. You can see this easily while driving and stopping in a queue.
Thanks 🙏.
Computing power may be an issue didn't think of that during the test since I was driving very slow
Thanks for making this video. It was only a hour ago I was talking with my partner about adding a Tesla to the garage. Now the wait will be longer after seeing this.
Smart!
So glad I got my MY in 2020. Hopefully this brutal error in judgement will increase my resale value. 🙂
My Model Y performance is 10 days old now. My driveway and carport is very narrow and crowded here in Bangkok. My MYP is from China and it has all the ultrasonic sensors and Radar. 😊. It measures the close quarter accurately and has prevented me from running over my son’s bicycle.
I was very worried that China would switch to “Tesla Vision” and kept asking the local sales teams about the first cars that have arrived before mine that I ordered on the first day.
I think Low front camera like the C8 corvette will be a welcome addition.
Incidentally we picked up our car and had zero complaints about fit and finish.
Thanks for showing the comparison! I'm sure the vision system will continue to improve, but for now I'm very happy to have my 2019 Model 3.
It can only improve so much though as it is essentially a hardware issue and that cannot be solved by software alone.
I think they need to add a low-ground level camera on the front to complement the vision range of the top camera and increase the field of view. Also for epic driving footage.
Not only could they use it for presented scenarios to correctly identify objects right in front, but also for other stuff like .. detecting if the road pavement/edge/borders are low enough to not scratch the bumper.
Ultrasonic sensors are the way to go. This video is great proof of that.
lol its 2023 and we are talkign about USS kinda sad for tesla. unlike the fan boys doing a test and sayign wow so amazing its refreshing to see someone being honest.
Cool test. And with the results as guessed before I watched the video. Glad both my teslas got sensor’s because the vision version I something I never could understand why they went for. They will guaranteed come back with a new sensor solution. And then there will be a lot of cars with different solutions. Lucky them that got cars with sensors.
🙏 glad you enjoyed it.
This is also a great video to visually show the difference between the two. And now I'm at odds with buying a newer model or older model. Especially the Model 3. We lose some features with Vision, but I'm pretty sure they'll make an over the air software update for Vision. But I'm rolling with the USS
Tesla vision will get better but there's physical and technical limitation on current hardware that will make it very hard or impossible (my thoughts) to get on par with the USS.
@@ItsOnlyElectric hopefully they can pair two together. Make it as though there is an extra set of eyes on the road.
I have ordered a Model 3 Performance which of course will be vision only. It has advantages and disadvantages, tbh I wish Tesla had left the USS in but oh well, never mind. One thing is the M3 has a lower bonnet line (but also a lower roofline which may negate this point) than the MY so perhaps the front camera may be a little bit more reliable?
Yes, a little less of a dead angle. But there's still a dead angle. But in all other aspects a great car. Back up into narrow spaces and you will be just fine. 🙂
Ok, Vision sees something. Once it doesn't see it anymore, it forgets about it. That's the mistake. Vision needs to remember the last position and coordinates of the object, so that with the movement of the car taken into account, it can predict that there is still the object, even if the camera doesn't show it anymore. It needs a memory and temporal predictions. That way it can warn correctly even if the object leaves the camera view.
Exactly!
Yeah, I had expected object permanence to be a bigger part of it, and it clearly is there to some degree, however at a low quality. FSD Beta manages to do this well with moving objects, so I had expected a higher level. Nonetheless, they'll eventually get it fixed as with all their software.
Great video and analysis. This really shows that Tesla have made a huge mistake by moving away from USS.
Thank you for sharing valuable input to potential buyers so they can make an informed decision. As Tesla are working to replace the MY next spring it seems unlikely they will address these shortcomings in this model/version.
Yes, very unlikely since the lack of hardware makes it close to impossible.
Great comparison. I drive a 2023 model Y and Tesla Vision is pretty much useless... It only helps where you don't need it, i.e. longer distances (>50cm).
Thank you. Just what I thought. I was planning to order a new Tesla but I need better position detection and will hold off. Why does Tesla make things worse for us-just don’t understand.
Tesla just cutting down corner to Save money
haha. Love the semi-truck that keeps flying by in your garage. So funny....
A few ideas for a future test:
1) Check if the pavement is shown by the USS sensors.
2) Check which of the front cameras is used for Tesla Vision (by obscuring the others). It seems to me that it is not the ultra wide angle camera, but the normal one?
He doesn't need to test point 1 as he mentions that the USS sensors will not pick up a mere pavement change. I will go further and mention that is by design by the way. You can figure out the reason for that.
I have a June 2023 M3 with only Tesla vision and I concede it doesn’t work, but with my eyes driving forward or the rear camera in reverse I have zero problems parking. How is this such a significant problem under real world parking conditions? I’m more bothered by the semi-trucks it thinks are in my garage and all those wavy lines. Wish they would clean that up. Thanks.
Great video. Really disappointing that Tesla hasn’t discovered this deficiency in their testing prior to implementing the change
They have. Elon just didn't care. He wanted USS removed.
They did discover it. Still removed the sensors.
They thought they'd have a solution like in a week lmao. Obviously it'll take them at least a year. Being that precise with these strange camera angles for close by things will be complicated.
I don't know whether there were part shortages or they were desperate to cut costs, but sure to say having these sensors would be a clear benefit. Even in the future with good software you'll still have a blindspot under the bumper.
@@daniel_960_ i am not even sure if hw3 will have a solution ever. Also an additional front camera is needed if sensors are not back.
They did, they just wanted to save a penny at the cost of the consumer
Good video. I see a lot of comments about this topic. However, there’s a saying “If you throw enough dirt, something will stick.” Not too long ago, we drove cars without any cameras whatsoever. And now that we do, it’s a make or break and we need the best technology. Then again, if you’re paying over $50K+ for a car, it should come with top notch features.
Thanks a lot for your test cases! Appreciate your efforts. Basically confirming that current occupamcy neural networks seem to ignore box shapes. My hope for improvement is the nature of ML/ AI that this will get better with more real data coming in...
There's is definitely room for improvement. Hope it gets better in the coming updates.
Thank you for watching.
Tried it with a hedge. It saw something but showed STOP around 50cm before the hedge, so way to early. Tried it next to a tree, did not see the tree at all, probably because there is a blind stop of the cameras there.
Updated comment - Well I now have my 2023 model Y LR vehicle received Aug 2023. It also has HW4 and the newer cameras. For my situations in using Tesla Vision (no sensors), it works fine for me.
I do know the limitations of Tesla Visions with the front camera trying to see over the front hood.
Some people may not like this change, I find it to be no problem, but I am not that fussy either. Pulling into my home garage it works quite well. Anyway, I shall see if there are any problems the more driving I do with the Model Y.
Thanks for the video and take care.
Thsnks for your input
Thanks for this. I was looking so much forward to buying this new Model Y. So fast and practical. But unfortunately, this is a huge dealbreaker. Damn you, Tesla. Then I have to look elsewhere 👎🏼
I don't understand customers who would spend their money on this. Not worth it and not very premium.
I´m in the same situation. It´s unbeliviable that they removed the sensors without being close to a working solution (if they ever find it). They could have had it as an very expensive option (3000$ for USS, or something) and I would have bought it every day.
Yes, USS as and option would be great. But that's against teslas vision to streamline the production.
Lost usd 13.000 in January when Tesla cut the prices, but didn’t get the uss😮
Sad to hear that. 😞
Consider the whole car, what you get for the money, and how it compares with other EVs at this price. If the main criteria is a fine set of parking sensors, then there are better options out there. For me, range, efficiency, charging practicality, acceleration and chassis capability are more important.
From what I’ve seen with this fine video and others, Tesla Vision is not adequate atm (and may never be?) for parking vs USS, self parking, and summon. However, Out of Spec Reviews tested a Vision only Model 3 Performance (I think it had USS but not front radar?) and it received the highest Autopilot score over a challenging route, beating the 2019 radar equipped M3P.
It definitely has the theoretical ability to be good as they refine object permanence, but lets see how long it takes.
Obstacle detection while driving is also fundamentally different compared to close-range obstacle detection needed e.g. when parking or maneuvering in narrow streets. I think this score is simply not applicable to the topic discussed.
I have a 2023 model 3 and absolutely love it except for 2 annoying flaws. 1. The automatic wipers need to be fixed and fine tuned, hopefully it’s an update issue and not a sensor/camera one. 2. The vision system is an absolute joke! Hate it! My brother has the previous model with USS and it’s so spot on and much better in every way than vision. Again hopefully over time it’ll improve but so far those are the only two real issues that have been constantly bothering me with my model 3
Fortuneatly i have sensors on my MYP. The auto wipers is much better now then for a year ago. But still leaves things to be desired.
@@ItsOnlyElectric Indeed...one other thing that is pretty poor is the TACC - traffic aware cruise control, in stop start traffic.
Here on EU/UK models at least it is terrible as it surges up to the car in front then brakes too harshly - so it's all very jerky.
That and glitchy auto wipers are the 2 biggest things i noticed not working when coming from my previous VW mk7 Golf.
The automatic high beam used to be awful too, but after an update it's actually not too bad (but still they should have rolled out matrix headlights by now, my car has them but no implementation yet)
There are so many merits to owning an older gen Tesla. My 2020 Model 3 Performance has the USS, I can change to drift mode by putting most of the power to the rear wheels, and I also have lifetime free premium connectivity, which is otherwise around $7 per month here in Korea. Also, because the older gens do not have the heat pump, I get better mileage during the warmer seasons (Spring, Summer, Autumn). I do get slightly worse mileage during the wintertime, but it's only 1 or 2 months where I would see a positive return from having a heat pump.
Krep it! 🙂
The Quick Silver is really pretty colour. Unfortunately the Tesla Vision is not convincing, indeed.
thanks for the video, good stuff. i have 2020 MY LR in NY and have 2023 quiksilver in tel aviv, also with 6.11 (thankfully got 6.9 the day after I took delivery phew!). I think some of the errors and misses with Vision are flukey, but the inconsistency is itself an issue. Also I have problems in my apt's underground garage, and in the most challenging section (perhaps due to loss of cell reception?) it suddenly says "Park Assist unavailable" or something like that, which is an absolute killer. You never had downtime with the USS's. Hopefully it'll improve and iterate, and hopefully very quickly...thanks again!
That unavailable thing seems risky. it should be able to work without network connection. Thanks for watching.
Great video and I've always believe removing USS was due to a supply chain issue and a mistake by Elon. It's never going to be accurate or close to USS measurements, which is sad for 2023 cars...
Agree! Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching!
that is exacty the reason why there are specific sensors optimized for specific tasks
My M3 is extremely accurate (within 5 cm of accuracy) but that's when parking backwards and with side obstacles. I never park it forwards for a number of reasons primary of which is that the camera placement in the front makes it impossible for the distance measuring system to be fully accurate (i.e. The front camera can't see the ground almost a meter in front of the car so Tesla Vision can't possibly be accurate in that direction). I miss the mock "360 degree camera" from my old car. It made accurate parking a breeze.
Great stuff, props for the 4k. Very clean
Thanks!
I hope they'll change their mind and reintroduce radars and ultrasonic sensors...camera only solution can simply not work for many reasons (camera is dirty, fog, etc) and it adds complexity for no benefits (processing images is much more complicated than processing signals from sensors)...
I like the semi truck in your garage :DDD
I dont own a Tesla (yet), but got a late 2022 Model Y from sixt with a friend for 5 days. We drove it to Italy and back to germany (around 2000km).
It was only good weather so the parking and distance control on highways worked good but I would really like if they bring the radar and the parking sensors back. Its just the best solution and they should also think about Lidar for autopilot. Vision only is just not good enough for a "self driving" car.
sensors are better you can't argue, tesla vision is going backwards not forwards, I would rather get another tesla with sensors then without
I always thought the Tesla vision would rely on memory to know if objects would be outside its field of view upon approach. Seems like it just forgets everything when it can't see.
I was about to hit the order button. But fortunately I came across it myself through my investigations. I had two test drives with the Model Y and both times a model before October 2022 (with sensors). The Tesla employee did NOT mention twice that the parking sensors will no longer be available in the latest model. An absolute cheek! Tesla deliberately plays the customers for stupid in my eyes. It can't be that I put so much money down for the Model Y and it doesn't even have a parking assistant that works. Every small car has this feature these days and laughs about it. It is also unacceptable that Tesla leaves customers out in the cold and not better informed. I hope the class action lawsuits against Tesla that are currently being prepared in Germany will be filed as soon as possible. It is also incomprehensible to me how Tesla can keep this mess under the table. I'm hoping sales will finally collapse for Tesla to act.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Model Y, but I just can't ignore it. That's just a huge mistake Tesla made. And as long as Tesla hasn't solved the problem, I won't buy the Model Y, which unfortunately also annoys me a lot. So Tesla, change that shit! I'm also willing to pay more for it! But removing such an important feature for cost reasons is a bad joke!!! People who can't afford a Tesla should look for another car.
I just bought an in inventory base model M3 RWD in June 2023 and took advantage of the $2400.00 price reduction. I bought it on Saturday and picked it up on Tuesday. With federal and state incentives, destination fee, order fee, and sales tax it cost just over $32k. With trade in of my 2012 Forester with 108,000 miles, it’s total cost is just under $25k. If poorly functioning Tesla vision is such a barrier to your ownership, then you shouldn’t buy it. For me, it’s trivial and I have zero problems parking using my own vision and rear camera. I’m very happy with the purchase, but it appears it would not be right for you.
You also don't get RCTA or Leather ... nice.
@@BobbieGWhiz Seriously? Non functioning park distance control is trivial? You've spent an absolute sum of money, and you have a feature that you've paid for that doesn't work. I mean calling that trivial is astonishing and nonsensical. Look, I can't conscionably buy a Tesla because they wont include RCTA and I have children and as such won't accept such a deadly omission. But absolutely their electric powertrain is the best by far, by far and away actually. Now buying a Tesla despite it using vinyl seats instead of leather; that may well we trivial to. Sure. Despite it not having life saving RCTA; trivial to you? Again, it may be so. I get it. But having a feature that you paid for doesn't work? Goodness me. You may be happy with your purchase but your confirmation bias is .. if not blatant.
@@robertc869 I respect that it’s not trivial to you. I’ve never had a car that has had parking sensors and that’s how I learned to park, so it just isn’t as important to me as it is to you. Different people see things differently. On another point you made, the sum of my I paid for the the M3 RWD (after government incentives and unloading my old trade in) wasn’t a whole lot in 2023, in my opinion.
15:43 It needs a cam on or over the plate, probably 180° and all will be fine and would work like charm.
Yeah, vision makes no sense because the camera isn't mounted to the front bumper. That's a terrible design flaw since the plan on getting rid of the sensors.
Probably changes with the highland update that's first rolls out for the Model 3.
@@ItsOnlyElectric Only if they really mount the cameras where they've been speculated. I believe there will be some near the headlights and maybe one in the bumper. Not sure. Information has been all over the place. But, the fact that they are rolling out vision "capable" cars that won't have that hardware is questionable to say the least. And it will be too expensive to retrofit. So wouldn't that meant they are making those cars obsolete. It would've made more sense to wait for hardware 4 to start implementing vehicle changes. Especially when surprising customers with changes without announcements.
Yes, totally agree.
Very informative tests. Thank you. I think you should always measure free horizontal distances, not at an angle because the driver surely wants to know how far the car can be safely driven.
I did it to illustrate the angle of the lens of the camera in one vad don't know if it's the one you are referring to. But on short distance with a small angle the hypothesis is almost the same as the base = negligible distance. But when it comes to Tesla vision it doesn't seem to matter since the precision is far from close the real distance anyway. 🙂
It is a huge joke , Tesla saving 150$ on sensors and lowering vehicle safety
As someone who is about to pick up their 2024 Model Y this video has been extremely educational. Now I know to only back into things for the next few years until Tesla *maybe* figures out the vision thing. Frankly I doubt they'll ever get it working as good as the ultrasonic sensors (I work in AI / robotics) :(
As I said also in other places, these cars without parking sensors will not age well. Their owners will pay for a lot more repairs than usual or necessary. RsSymons tested these cars also and he could reverse and hit a huge orange trash bin and also a human standing in front (or rear, don't remember) of the car. Purely awful.
Y’all are so dependent on these things, you can’t even properly park without them lmao. What’s the world coming to
@@shannell5948 You must be kidding. We are talking about a car that is supposed to drive itself, park itself. Not having those sensors, it cannot do those things. Every other car at this price point has the sensors. Watch RSymons tests to see how these Teslas cannot detect a huge orange trash bin behind the car, some boxes in front of the car and how it actually hits people.
Very informative, Great Job 👍🏼
Thanks 🙏
The fix for the new system is to back-in park 😂
I have two Model 3's and cancelled the replacement M3 due to lack of USS. As one of them is only used for local journeys, starting to look for alternative makes.
Now imagine how bad the vision sistem is, at night, in the rain, on a dark street. Goodluck !!!
When you need it the most ...
Tack för att du engagerar dig i alla dessa tester.. 😀👍🏻👍🏻
Det är väl för att kameran sitter vid taket och då filmar den över bänken som är framför bilen. Inte acceptabelt, men en förklaring till varför den visar 50 cm kvar, när det egentligen är 0 cm kvar..
Exakt så är det. Tack för att tittar. 🙂
Rubbish , isn't it without USS. That is the problem with Tesla, their attitude towards customers. How do I trust other software controlled features??
Tesla just say, thanks for the test, now we improve our next ones.
I hope so. 🙂
Utter garbage (the car's performance, not your video), standard parking sensors work far better. Owners will definitely hit obstacles as a result of this poor quality system
Yes, that's unfortunately the case. Tesla vision will probably get better but som factors are very hard/impossible to fix with current hardware.
The best are the flying trucks on the display 🤣🤣🤣
tesla vision is a big step backward if u ask me. they just want to save a few bucks and they don't have the courage to admit their motive.
Can you please do a comparison between Tesla's parking sensors vs NIO's parking sensors+Lidar?
Good idea. Let's see what I can do.
Totally unreliable! Even dangerous. I am glad I cancelled my order, when I discovered USS had been removed. Feel sorry for all those buyers who paid a lot for what is unlikely to work any time soon.
Did you get your order fee back?
@@radiantveggies9348 Not yet. Have given them the opportunity to come up wit a solution before year end. If they fail I would get my 125 euro back
I happened to be looking to replace a USS for a Cadillac and the dealer wanted $125 to install a new one. Went online and was able to find a 2 pack from China for $25. Installing them is just unplugging the old and plugging in the new. If I can get these sensors for $12 a piece, it should be a no brainer to put on a premium vehicle. The cheapest cars have USS because they are very cheap components. This kinda cost savings for Elon is shameful for someone charging $1000 for plastic wheel caps.
ok this is actually a bit stupid. Mono vision depth prediction for random walls is challenging. At least keep 2 ultrasonic sensors at the front and rear if you have to save money.
In the Test 4, the car didn't see the box on the ground because the box was too low for the camera to see it. You need to back up at least 10 -15 meters in order for the camera to see it first, then it'll be able to estimate the distance. Yes, it sucks, but what else can we do?
No, it's enough to back up 3-4 meters. I did that in the video. 🙂 But it disappear when out of the line of sight of the camera = when coming to close.
If the going to go all vision they need to add a lower camera.....
So drivers should create preferential conditions for Tesla Vision.
They just try to increase the marges, by removing essential hardwares, because they are good in marketing.
We have seen that with the radar, the backup processor for safety and now the ultra sonic sensors.
It's a total success, the margin is rising even more than it was already high.
As long as the customers keep swallowing the incredibly creative arguments they are giving them in the marketing department, then it should be OK. And we all know how much inconditionnel fans can swallow.
Tesla should be fine, don't worry guys. It might even increase the service centers incomes if people crash into stuffs around.
It could be a very good leverage effect. 👍
thanks for the video! So disappointed about USS removed
This is the reason I bought a 2022 model 3. Why the F would you replace something that works with something that doesn't? They should at least introduce a front bumper camera if they want to go vision only.
That colour looks amazing
Just what I expected to be honest... Thanks for the test, really nice!
NP
I like how there's a giant truck next to the car!
Congrats for this video. Instructiv and several tests relevant
Thanks
Thank you so much for using metric.
You’re welcome 😊
6:47 Vision would even work yet, just fine, when the cam could see what´s actual there. It is just wrong placed for this solution.
Very good testing. Answered lots of my questions. Thank yoy.
Glad to hear! Thanks for watching
imagine rain, snow, fog, poor lighting conditions at night...
Hi!
I have a model x with uss but after i updated the software i think my car used the vision based system, is there a way to revert it? Or to say that my car should only use the uss?
Great video btw!😊
No, nothing to do. Just lean back and hope for a better software. Check upgrade notes before upgrading next time to avoid updates that phases out the USS. But, at the end you still need to update. 🙂
@@ItsOnlyElectric ok, thanks for answering :) hpoefully they will fix this soon :)
Very good test.
From now on you got 1 subsciber more.
Thank you!
Glad you liked it! 👍
Do sensors work in the dark, heavy rain, fog? If so, I believe sensors have an edge over cameras ONLY
Of course they do.
Seems my 15 year old Toyota has vastly superior parking capability, and I also don't need to go through a touch screen to adjust the wiper speed!
What was tesla thinking? how can it figure out whats gong on in front of the bumper if its using the camera on the wind shield ? It must look at whats below it as you go forward, then "guess and remember" what it sees as you get closer. And that estimating system is not ready for prime time yet.
I received Model Y recently everything is excellent but I feel that the accelerator pedal is too hard to press. This is not the case when I did a test drive on the Demo vehicle. Do any settings need to change to smoothen the pedal?
No setting for the stiffness of the pedal. Either something is wrong or you are running it in chill mode.
@@ItsOnlyElectric I tried with standard and chill but no big difference
Ok, sounds like something is wrong then. Report to Tesla service via the app.
@@ItsOnlyElectric thanks for reply. Let me check with Tesla
For me it‘s most
Important to know „it just doesn‘t work, trust your eyes & feelings“. But wondering how that makes it to the street anyway. Worst thing is that there is no easy fix - the angle of cam is like it is. Let‘s hope Machine Learning will improve the overall experience.
I wonder, whether HW4 (better cameras, more cameras, ... ?) brings any improvements on that matter. Do you already ave any insights on this?
It for sure will do a difference. Higher resultion and bringing back high resolution radar. Maybe new positions or additional cameras too, don't know for the highland project (model 3 update/facelift).
The new Model S has HW4. Vision Only is there also bad. test of german You Tuber "Move Electric"
@@wp8047 it's probably using the hw3 software for it still. When all models running HW4 they will push HW4 unique SW.
Kudos on the efforts you put into making this video! Very happy with my Ryzen LR3 USS.
Thank you for watching
What does the system do when parilelle parking ?
There’s definitely a reason why Tesla on their channel loves posting and showing off the different features of their vehicles and “Tesla Vision” is not one of them. This was a huge step backwards and I hope they realize the mistake they made asap so they can rectify it as they should. These are not cheap cars and if my obsolete 25k Dodge Dart has better parking sensors than any of the new Tesla models then that’s a major problem…
When did they stop putting in the uss? That’s an important feature I see
October/november 2022.
Very good video! Great work! This is valuable input before buying a Tesla (I am thinking about new Model 3 MY24).
Thank you! The Highland is a great car, good choice. Did you watch the video?
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