Glenn's production team do A GREAT JOB adding pictures of books and people mentioned in the podcast. That takes the podcast to another level. I remember in the early days when Glenn would mention all these books in passing and I would have to go listen like 5 times to get the title, now it's all in the podcast. Great job Glenn's team!!! Mark, Lucas and Nakita 🎉🎉
@ElizabethDohertyThomas these two are well read. Glenn especially can remember a book with - title, author and summary that he read in 1983. They are books worth reading. My worldview has changed too.
Sure he's a nice person. But he's in the vain of Clarence Thomas. He thinks his education gives him the right to revise/rewrite black intellectual history. And is often intellectually dishonest about the reality of black social and political life. He thinks black men should live vicariously through his achievements. And he constantly undermines the impact of racism on the progress of other black people. He's overrated.
TDS is pure denial on the Right. trump is obviously a truly odious moron. He is neither inclined nor capable of bringing about the serious reforms this country needs. His concerns do not extend beyond himself, his ego & his wallet.
This is an anecdotal story. I grew up in Fort Worth TX and graduated from HS in 1986. FW was (and still is) very mixed between white, black, hispanic and a sprinkling of other backgrounds. My entire education experience was post segregation my schools were very, very mixed. At times I was bussed and at other times other students were bussed. No one, except a few cowboys that hated everyone, gave a damn what color anyone was. All the teams were mixed. There were many mixed couples. Desegregation was WORKING and we were becoming the first generation to live in a post racist world. We have taken MANY steps backwards and it pains my heart that race baiting and dialectic poison has ruined the amazing strides that the previous generations worked so hard to build.
Graduated in '89. I feel your pain. Its so damn frustrating to have some racist snot nosed kid accusing me of bring a racist boomer, of which I am neither.
Glenn is America's wise Grandfather. Not just the Patriarch for his family. The Patriarchal intellectual for all of us living in the West. His life story is the finest form of American exceptionalism 🇺🇸.
Lol...I'm from the UK, and even I know that the US Black Panthers had a tremendous influence on the creation of Black Studies as an academic discipline.' But they apparently 'created and achieved absolutely nothing'- it was all performance- lol!!. And this guy is a professor!? My goodness me. These two deracinated blacks are intellectually dishonest. The problem is, they're very knowledgeable with their use of language and conceptual multi-layered thinking. So they easily manipulate concepts and ideas- and will always 'sound'- intellectual. A lot of superficial abstraction, and useless chit-chat. I won't be listening to these 'talk-show hosts' again.
Acknowledging, also, that John is "bouncing back", and he still has my deepest appreciation and respect! I made a harsh comment recently, but today I reiterated my "devotion" to his intellect and professionalism! 🙏
This is interesting as a white man born in Illinois in 1961, and grew up In NC, Alabama and Tennessee. As a child I saw MLK and Lewis as good honest men, doing the will of God. I saw Farrakhan and Carmichael as lost men. Men who did not know God, men who did not know the Love of Christ, men filled with hatred, and I saw them as a huge danger. I later saw Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as false teachers, lost men claiming to be men of God while their speech betrayed them! And it’s continued to worsen with men like Kendi. Now I want to comment on John,s statement about the 1970s. I actually saw the 1970s as a great time at my Junior High School in Riverton Alabama and my High School in Grand Bay Alabama because it seemed to us that Racism was over. Of course there were individuals who were racisist but on the whole it was good. My schools weee integrated roughly 50/50, and we all loved one another. We went to school together’ played on the same sports teams, worked on the same farms picking watermelons, tomatoes, okra, pecans and cotton. White and black living among one another in harmony, peace, love and mutual respect. We traded horses together, raced horses together, blacks, whites, and Cajuns. Same thing when I went to college in Tennessee and Grad school in Rochester NY. But, but… I was shocked in Rochester in the 1980s and 1990s that it was very segregated and definitely more racist than my upbringing in Alabama. Gentleman I must say that the reason for Racism is that we have forgotten God and turned away from Christ. No person who is filled with and led by the Holy Spirit of God can hate anyone because of race. It’s literally not possible. Instead the spirit filled Christian loves their neighbor!
A friend's father and mother immigrated to the US from Russia (escaped) in the 70's. Their son always thought of himself as Russian. In his mid 20's he had the opportunity to study for one summer on Moscow. He quickly realized he was NOT Russian but completely American. It is popular to claim America has no culture but we, in fact, do have a common culture and then many sub-cultures based on region and ethnicity but we do share a common culture here in the US which is distinct from even Canada.
I love you guys, two excellent men of courage and determination. You are the John Lewis and MLK of our own age, and it’s only due to people like Kendi and Newsome and others that your efforts are even necessary today.
I can tell you what the next step of the civil rights movement should have been. You guys! The celebration of brilliant and smart men. I grew up in the 80’s with a very racist father. I still have the embers of that upbringing. My three sons do not. Not at all. We were almost beyond racism. Then the DEI and BLM happened. Great show gentlemen!
It's amazing how Glen and I have such simular views. And I am originally from rural Noth Dakota. Racism is taught and there are many who make a living pushing racism and dividing us.
Thank you for this discussion! I especially enjoyed the beginning (hearing about your Thanksgivings) and the very end--what Glenn pointed out is very interesting. John, you seem happy! Lots of smiles and just more relaxed. Very nice to see!
You must be kidding . . . those guys need to get ahold of themselves. Their ignorance in dismissing the progress made in the 60s, 70s, and beyond due to those figures they named is atrocious. Why Glenn, and especially John, both were able to go to college based upon the pressure those very activists put on society. I know I got a full scholarship to the University of Illinois - Champaign-Urbana for four years just two weeks after Fred Hampton was murdered in Chicago. Why, . . . I learned to read and debate because of the Black Arts Movement. And graduated and went on for a long career in Silicon Valley as a programmer. As we used to say back in Chicago at the time, "How do you sound, check yourself before you wreck yourself. To say that the Stockleys, Panthers and all those others accomplished nothing is absurd. If they accomplished nothing, Glenn and John have accomplished even less, and that certainly is not true. This off the cuff talking about hardcore history is not the thing. It makes Glenn and John appear very stupid; I'm sorry. QED
Mrs Loury needs to drop the deets on who’s shipping TX brisket out of state. She’s from the 3rd Ward therefore I’m confident she knows HTX BBQ. I need some of that here in California!
For real! I know we have access to the delicious California holiday staples: tamales, and/or Dungeness crab - but you simply can’t beat that smoky brisket which Texas does best (imo).
For real! I know we have access to the delicious California holiday staples: tamales, and/or Dungeness crab - but you simply can’t beat that smoky brisket which Texas does best (imo).
Love "warts and all" and I am among the others. We are Americans because of the crucible of red white and black, brown yellow and tan. You can't separate even if you want too. You are just an American.
Here's the difference between these communities- communities like the ones speaking Yiddish, the Amish,etc - they will enthusiastically invite you in to share their culture and way of life. Whereas other closed off communities would not. I grew up in a Free Will Baptist church and we actively participated in fellowship with people of differing faiths - going to their services, then to their homes to share a meal. It was an invaluable insight that though we may be different, we share our humanity.
What a fantastic conversation, as always! There is never an "as usual", because it's the motherf-in' Glenn Show, dangnamit!!! God, I really feel like a student at your feet, every week, while I'm listening (and learning, sometimes learning TO listen!) 🙄 Sending holiday Aloha to all! 🙏❤🏝
I have the same feeling about the Thanksgiving meal as John does. If I spend the whole day preparing dishes & then we chow it down in 45 minutes I sometimes have an empty feeling afterwards.
Listening now! Enjoying your Thanksgiving experiences. No need to apologize for belief in God or saying Thanksgiving Prayers! Truly, not old traditions now obsolete.
Always enjoy your programs. Thank you for many interesting insights🤝🤝🤝. Will just add that we shouldn’t dismiss The Black Panthers contributions - e.g., any educator will tell you how IMPORTANT🙏🙏🙏 breakfast is to hungry, food insecure, etc. children. The students simply cannot learn anything when they’re hungry💯💯💯
The "fist in the air with the neck thing" had me rolling! And the Yiddish phenomena is a beautiful thing in a way. I loathe heavy handed attempts by governments or institutions to keep a language alive but if people do it voluntarily because it's of value to them I'm all for it. Languages come, change and go naturally. Let them.
Your discussions are so insightful. I can’t believe millions of Americans aren’t watching the evolutionary stages of authentic intellectual patriots who happen to come from African descent.
I love you Glenn and John … I continue to learn each week. John, many of us are Balkanized, I’m Ukrainian with a polish name from discrimination and we kept in our community until we didn’t need to be… also, my grandpa was against mass incarceration and preached it into me very young. Now I’m about short prison stays and longer parole. What do you think?
How about sharing all that food? So many did not eat much. So many were alone. I’m agree- the prep is the best part. So be prepared, eat a little and then serve it up!
Question for John: you lamented several times that nothing much was "accomplished" after 1966. What is it that you would have liked to have been accomplished after black Americans achieved full legal equality, and how could the government have helped to accomplish it?
i wasnt familiar with this until early 20s when i met an older woman who taught me to feed the neighborhood. if you have leftovers after thanksgving youre not doing something right. theres plenty of ppl out there who are hungry and her family tradition was to invite a stranger to dinner every thanksgiving
The outright dismissiveness of black power to black lives activist movements disregards the impact of such movement/s on raising a consciousness and a courage both in black and white communities which supported at least indirectly the “saintly” plodding you appear to solely credit with progress.
Maybe part of the problem is kids don’t often get an overview of world history in school. Often they zoom in on specific periods while neglecting the grand sweep of history. If people had an overview they would see how utterly amazing parliamentary democracy, the European enlightenment and industrial /scientific revolution was.
I find the world we live in a tragedy as white people are becoming a minority and will be ruled over by foreigners in the near future. If that fact doesn't factor into your concerns, then, no offense but, you are part of the problem.
My dad was all into the Black Power movement in the 70s, so it's interesting to hear the origins. My parents graduated HS in '66 from a small town in SE GA so they have some stories to tell. I can't remember which civil rights leader it was that got mad at my mom for not leaving her job to go on a march when they were in Macon. *EDIT* I just asked her, it was Hosea Williams! I had a good laugh over that.
To make the “big meal” better in aftermath, then make sure you stay around the table to converse. NOT about issues, but about memories. In my family, we use small candy (candy corn or M&M, etc) to go around the table to share 1 thing they are thankful for, either about the family or from their year. Do that the number of times you have candy (usually no more than 3). Or do one thankful thing, one hopeful thing of the coming months (limited to self or family, not national stuff), and one good memory from the family or from those around the table. This year, in my wife’s family this year, we were also celebrating the 90th of the Patriarch, so we told some stories about his life. Good family memories with laughter and happy tears. Oh..and then go for a good walk.❤
Absolutely fascinating and important discussion. I'm intrigued by McWhorter's wish for a novelist to write an alternative history of what would have happened if more black activists focused on concrete, practical change rather than performative theater and confrontation after the nonviolent civil rights movement.
Thanks Glenn and John for all the great content, could you maybe tell your editor to stop adding all the unnecessary “whoosh” sounds every time they show an image? It’s very distracting for listeners.
Soul On Ice got me through a Vermont four day ski weekend. Fixed nothing Nationwide. Well, the book instigated a very few short term hook-ups at base lodge and more secluded spots. Snow Bunnies. Interracial to be sure. What a country.
I love James Baldwin (1 of my fave authors, not just fave “blk authors”) but his earlier work is better. Even the minor Baldwin novels are worth reading, because the humanity of his characters shines through more clearly before Baldwin starts taking his writing more seriously. Then you start to see a bit of pandering to the public’s idea of what he should be writing
Did you read his white boyfriends book, rewriting the Nat Turner Rebellion? The White boyfriend claimed, Turner's rebellion was started because Turner was rejected by a white woman after requesting sex from her. Baldwin publicly stated," writers can write whatever, whether it is true or not"!
My family fought there, they were called the minute men and died at breeds hill and black men fighting alongside them. They were convinced they were fighting for freedom but they were just fighting for the monied interest, the wealthy. Nothing has changed. I read their papers, they wanted peace. They all did. Leave them alone.
I agree with some of your assessments on BLM and the "black movement" but there are some nuisance in it. As a black man, my interactions with the police changed dramatically after George Floyd which is not based on any general statistics but my personal experience. They were a bit more polite and not as aggressive which I think is a great thing.
I think the larger populace could embrace insular communities of black people living together, emphasizing, advocating for, and educating their children in black culture if it could come without the criminality that characterizes black communities today. Criminality remains the single most contentious aspect of black America, and we're doomed to remain divided so long as it looms.
Just one little correction (plus some context): Stokely Carmichael went to Guinea (ex-French colony), not to Guinea-Bissau (at that time still officially Portuguese). Guinea was ruled by Sekou Toure then, no nice regime indeed. Here, Glenn's memory is to the point. But Guinea was also the place where Kwame Nkrumah spent his last years in exile after a military coup (in compliance with the CIA) ousted him from the presidency of Ghana in 1966. Carmichael who renamed himself Kwame Ture at the time, served Nkrumah as a secretary. This to his credit...
I feel that it should be mentioned that in my personal opinion it was the both sides working tandem the MLK philosophy and the Malcolm X philosophy togetherner at the same time lead to the civil rights movement. That the malcolm x philosophy was the edge that let politicians run to the MLK side and make progress. And without that balance of both most likely the the MLK philosophy would just be ignored. To say the black muslim/black panthers radical blacks or whatever where just performative is quite insulting. Are we not going to mention the CIA and FBI envolvmeny in killing Fred Hampton and others also bludgened the movement.
And to send an olive branch to John, i am one of those quasi jews who instead of having anything for hanukah (sp) being "bad jews" (i can say that, my gang, and my mom fully jew so myself jew but i really wasn't raised religiously and call myself a bad jew) we instead had a X mas tree and one night one party usually 15 or so jews singing christmas carols, lol, one secret santa gift only each person kind of thing, much like how it sounds John spent many a X mas too. Cheers John, Glenn, Merry Christmas!
Once the "Taxation without Representation" problem was solved, there was really not that much left to do. The "What do we do now?" question did not have any good answer. So they came up with bad answers.
Doc Glenn and John. You 2 are probably going to be about the only people who will look at this but the work of John Henrik Clark of the Harlem Renaissance then going back Marcus Garvey, Dubois, and Washington-Carver, Arturo Alfonso Schomburg along with other late 19th century pan-Africanists.
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These two guys just chatting, old friends - this is peak quality. Thank you both.
You must be joking!!
Glenn's production team do A GREAT JOB adding pictures of books and people mentioned in the podcast. That takes the podcast to another level.
I remember in the early days when Glenn would mention all these books in passing and I would have to go listen like 5 times to get the title, now it's all in the podcast.
Great job Glenn's team!!!
Mark, Lucas and Nakita 🎉🎉
Agreed! I tend to read most of those books too and it has really shifted my worldviews. :)
@ElizabethDohertyThomas these two are well read. Glenn especially can remember a book with - title, author and summary that he read in 1983.
They are books worth reading.
My worldview has changed too.
same! Love seeing the evolution of this show
Glenn's reverie over his Thanksgiving leftovers in the first 30 seconds of this video made my afternoon. Thanks Glenn!
Made me hungry and possibly want to order food for Christmas 🤔
Glenn is such a good man.
It didn't come naturally, just ask him.
I guess you have not read his memoirs, huh?
@@danilopompey754 People grow. There is redemption in this life.
Sure he's a nice person. But he's in the vain of Clarence Thomas. He thinks his education gives him the right to revise/rewrite black intellectual history. And is often intellectually dishonest about the reality of black social and political life. He thinks black men should live vicariously through his achievements. And he constantly undermines the impact of racism on the progress of other black people. He's overrated.
Its good to see John so relaxed and smiling. His acute TDS was really flaring up for the last few months. Im over it too. Well done gentlemen.
He still looked sour as Glenn described the heartwarming preparation of food.
Sad to see.
TDS is pure denial on the Right.
trump is obviously a truly odious moron.
He is neither inclined nor capable of bringing about the serious reforms this country needs. His concerns do not extend beyond himself, his ego & his wallet.
It’s okay if not everyone likes your guy. No worries.
Thanks Glen. As a highschool educated 30 yr old truck driver, these conversations are a blessing for me. Stay healthy.
They've tricked you. Or told you what you want to hear. They are intellectually dishonest.
This is an anecdotal story. I grew up in Fort Worth TX and graduated from HS in 1986. FW was (and still is) very mixed between white, black, hispanic and a sprinkling of other backgrounds. My entire education experience was post segregation my schools were very, very mixed. At times I was bussed and at other times other students were bussed. No one, except a few cowboys that hated everyone, gave a damn what color anyone was. All the teams were mixed. There were many mixed couples. Desegregation was WORKING and we were becoming the first generation to live in a post racist world. We have taken MANY steps backwards and it pains my heart that race baiting and dialectic poison has ruined the amazing strides that the previous generations worked so hard to build.
Graduated in '89. I feel your pain. Its so damn frustrating to have some racist snot nosed kid accusing me of bring a racist boomer, of which I am neither.
Exactly the same here - graduated HS in NY in '86. Racism was something in the past -- then. Little did we know it was in the future, too.
Glenn is America's wise Grandfather. Not just the Patriarch for his family. The Patriarchal intellectual for all of us living in the West. His life story is the finest form of American exceptionalism 🇺🇸.
That’s kind and beautiful. He’s the pater familias we all need
Lol...I'm from the UK, and even I know that the US Black Panthers had a tremendous influence on the creation of Black Studies as an academic discipline.' But they apparently 'created and achieved absolutely nothing'- it was all performance- lol!!. And this guy is a professor!? My goodness me. These two deracinated blacks are intellectually dishonest. The problem is, they're very knowledgeable with their use of language and conceptual multi-layered thinking. So they easily manipulate concepts and ideas- and will always 'sound'- intellectual. A lot of superficial abstraction, and useless chit-chat. I won't be listening to these 'talk-show hosts' again.
Acknowledging, also, that John is "bouncing back", and he still has my deepest appreciation and respect! I made a harsh comment recently, but today I reiterated my "devotion" to his intellect and professionalism! 🙏
This is interesting as a white man born in Illinois in 1961, and grew up In NC, Alabama and Tennessee. As a child I saw MLK and Lewis as good honest men, doing the will of God. I saw Farrakhan and Carmichael as lost men. Men who did not know God, men who did not know the Love of Christ, men filled with hatred, and I saw them as a huge danger. I later saw Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as false teachers, lost men claiming to be men of God while their speech betrayed them! And it’s continued to worsen with men like Kendi. Now I want to comment on John,s statement about the 1970s. I actually saw the 1970s as a great time at my Junior High School in Riverton Alabama and my High School in Grand Bay Alabama because it seemed to us that Racism was over. Of course there were individuals who were racisist but on the whole it was good. My schools weee integrated roughly 50/50, and we all loved one another. We went to school together’ played on the same sports teams, worked on the same farms picking watermelons, tomatoes, okra, pecans and cotton. White and black living among one another in harmony, peace, love and mutual respect. We traded horses together, raced horses together, blacks, whites, and Cajuns. Same thing when I went to college in Tennessee and Grad school in Rochester NY. But, but… I was shocked in Rochester in the 1980s and 1990s that it was very segregated and definitely more racist than my upbringing in Alabama. Gentleman I must say that the reason for Racism is that we have forgotten God and turned away from Christ. No person who is filled with and led by the Holy Spirit of God can hate anyone because of race. It’s literally not possible. Instead the spirit filled Christian loves their neighbor!
❤
I love the fairness and honesty with which these two engage w one another.
Thanks for the conversation. Love you guys!
Wow, glad to see John back in form. Pleasant, informative show.
A friend's father and mother immigrated to the US from Russia (escaped) in the 70's. Their son always thought of himself as Russian. In his mid 20's he had the opportunity to study for one summer on Moscow. He quickly realized he was NOT Russian but completely American. It is popular to claim America has no culture but we, in fact, do have a common culture and then many sub-cultures based on region and ethnicity but we do share a common culture here in the US which is distinct from even Canada.
Well said! 100% agree
I love you guys, two excellent men of courage and determination. You are the John Lewis and MLK of our own age, and it’s only due to people like Kendi and Newsome and others that your efforts are even necessary today.
That intro story of Glen's Thanksgiving brought tears to my eyes.
I can tell you what the next step of the civil rights movement should have been. You guys! The celebration of brilliant and smart men. I grew up in the 80’s with a very racist father. I still have the embers of that upbringing. My three sons do not. Not at all. We were almost beyond racism. Then the DEI and BLM happened.
Great show gentlemen!
It's amazing how Glen and I have such simular views. And I am originally from rural Noth Dakota. Racism is taught and there are many who make a living pushing racism and dividing us.
MAGA here, and fine these conversations enlightening.
That was great, gentlemen.
Thank you; again.
Great conversation. It was also nice hearing how you celebrate Thanksgiving.
Thank you for this discussion! I especially enjoyed the beginning (hearing about your Thanksgivings) and the very end--what Glenn pointed out is very interesting. John, you seem happy! Lots of smiles and just more relaxed. Very nice to see!
This conversation, like so many of yours', is challenging and inspiring. I cried for a second when it ended. Thanks.
I like this kind of free style knowledge exchange.
Brilliant men🎉🎉
You must be kidding . . . those guys need to get ahold of themselves. Their ignorance in dismissing the progress made in the 60s, 70s, and beyond due to those figures they named is atrocious. Why Glenn, and especially John, both were able to go to college based upon the pressure those very activists put on society. I know I got a full scholarship to the University of Illinois - Champaign-Urbana for four years just two weeks after Fred Hampton was murdered in Chicago. Why, . . . I learned to read and debate because of the Black Arts Movement. And graduated and went on for a long career in Silicon Valley as a programmer. As we used to say back in Chicago at the time, "How do you sound, check yourself before you wreck yourself. To say that the Stockleys, Panthers and all those others accomplished nothing is absurd. If they accomplished nothing, Glenn and John have accomplished even less, and that certainly is not true. This off the cuff talking about hardcore history is not the thing. It makes Glenn and John appear very stupid; I'm sorry. QED
Who remembers arriving early just so you can dig the dining table extenders out of the backside of garage? Again! 😂
Mrs Loury needs to drop the deets on who’s shipping TX brisket out of state. She’s from the 3rd Ward therefore I’m confident she knows HTX BBQ. I need some of that here in California!
For real! I know we have access to the delicious California holiday staples: tamales, and/or Dungeness crab - but you simply can’t beat that smoky brisket which Texas does best (imo).
For real! I know we have access to the delicious California holiday staples: tamales, and/or Dungeness crab - but you simply can’t beat that smoky brisket which Texas does best (imo).
Love "warts and all" and I am among the others. We are Americans because of the crucible of red white and black, brown yellow and tan. You can't separate even if you want too. You are just an American.
Interesting and enjoyable. Happy Holidays, gentlemen.
Love these guys.
Here's the difference between these communities- communities like the ones speaking Yiddish, the Amish,etc - they will enthusiastically invite you in to share their culture and way of life. Whereas other closed off communities would not. I grew up in a Free Will Baptist church and we actively participated in fellowship with people of differing faiths - going to their services, then to their homes to share a meal. It was an invaluable insight that though we may be different, we share our humanity.
That sounds interesting. I always wondered what Freewill Baptists were. I grew up as a First Baptist. That's what the sign said!😅
Very enlightening. Thank you.
What a fantastic conversation, as always! There is never an "as usual", because it's the motherf-in' Glenn Show, dangnamit!!! God, I really feel like a student at your feet, every week, while I'm listening (and learning, sometimes learning TO listen!) 🙄 Sending holiday Aloha to all! 🙏❤🏝
I have the same feeling about the Thanksgiving meal as John does. If I spend the whole day preparing dishes & then we chow it down in 45 minutes I sometimes have an empty feeling afterwards.
Listening now! Enjoying your Thanksgiving experiences. No need to apologize for belief in God or saying Thanksgiving Prayers! Truly, not old traditions now obsolete.
Dads always make the best stuffing! 😋♥️
Right? And they won't share the recipe! We have to figure out our eventually!!
This is my favorite of your discussions so far.
Great beginning! ‘ Commonwealth ‘ the designation brought a smile. T. Y.!
Always enjoy your programs. Thank you for many interesting insights🤝🤝🤝. Will just add that we shouldn’t dismiss The Black Panthers contributions - e.g., any educator will tell you how IMPORTANT🙏🙏🙏 breakfast is to hungry, food insecure, etc. children. The students simply cannot learn anything when they’re hungry💯💯💯
Great stuff Glenn and John ... As always
Yea John. Live being curious, listen and learn. Be open to know the humanity of others.
This critique and discussion is needed. Where are the other intellectuals on this topic?
The "fist in the air with the neck thing" had me rolling! And the Yiddish phenomena is a beautiful thing in a way. I loathe heavy handed attempts by governments or institutions to keep a language alive but if people do it voluntarily because it's of value to them I'm all for it. Languages come, change and go naturally. Let them.
Your discussions are so insightful. I can’t believe millions of Americans aren’t watching the evolutionary stages of authentic intellectual patriots who happen to come from African descent.
They're not authentic. Sorry.
Glenn and John rule!
Great show this week
I love you Glenn and John … I continue to learn each week. John, many of us are Balkanized, I’m Ukrainian with a polish name from discrimination and we kept in our community until we didn’t need to be… also, my grandpa was against mass incarceration and preached it into me very young. Now I’m about short prison stays and longer parole. What do you think?
How about sharing all that food? So many did not eat much. So many were alone. I’m agree- the prep is the best part. So be prepared, eat a little and then serve it up!
90 uninterrupted seconds in the midst of full on family Thanksgiving meal is an accomplishment!
90 minutes actually
John, how in the world can you be on the cancel left? They canceled you at the dinner. Wake up, keep working on him Glen
Question for John: you lamented several times that nothing much was "accomplished" after 1966. What is it that you would have liked to have been accomplished after black Americans achieved full legal equality, and how could the government have helped to accomplish it?
Huge amounts were accomplished!! Read prof. Abdul Alkalimat. These two jokers are intellectually dishonest.
i wasnt familiar with this until early 20s when i met an older woman who taught me to feed the neighborhood. if you have leftovers after thanksgving youre not doing something right. theres plenty of ppl out there who are hungry and her family tradition was to invite a stranger to dinner every thanksgiving
The outright dismissiveness of black power to black lives activist movements disregards the impact of such movement/s on raising a consciousness and a courage both in black and white communities which supported at least indirectly the “saintly” plodding you appear to solely credit with progress.
2 mins in and my mouth is watering >.
Listening from London 🇬🇧
❤ you guys.
Love Cornish hens! Yum to that whole list, Glenn!
Lovely conclusion, gentlemen 🤌🏽
Maybe part of the problem is kids don’t often get an overview of world history in school. Often they zoom in on specific periods while neglecting the grand sweep of history. If people had an overview they would see how utterly amazing parliamentary democracy, the European enlightenment and industrial /scientific revolution was.
my introduction to Yiddish was the old book "The Joy of Yiddish." It's a great book. Yiddish is a lot easier if you speak German.
John and Glenn; I am grateful to be alive in a world that has people such as you in it.
I find the world we live in a tragedy as white people are becoming a minority and will be ruled over by foreigners in the near future. If that fact doesn't factor into your concerns, then, no offense but, you are part of the problem.
My dad was all into the Black Power movement in the 70s, so it's interesting to hear the origins.
My parents graduated HS in '66 from a small town in SE GA so they have some stories to tell. I can't remember which civil rights leader it was that got mad at my mom for not leaving her job to go on a march when they were in Macon.
*EDIT* I just asked her, it was Hosea Williams! I had a good laugh over that.
WHAT? Thanksgiving without a land acknowledgment?
Woohooo, great channel sirs. Fellow Brunonian here to learn your views on the destructive issue of DEI
I love that you're viciously anti-DEI. What does "Dei" mean in Latin?
@jakebarnes28 I'm fervently pro Dei and vehemently anti-DEI. Thank you
It's about being together with friends and family.
To make the “big meal” better in aftermath, then make sure you stay around the table to converse. NOT about issues, but about memories. In my family, we use small candy (candy corn or M&M, etc) to go around the table to share 1 thing they are thankful for, either about the family or from their year. Do that the number of times you have candy (usually no more than 3). Or do one thankful thing, one hopeful thing of the coming months (limited to self or family, not national stuff), and one good memory from the family or from those around the table. This year, in my wife’s family this year, we were also celebrating the 90th of the Patriarch, so we told some stories about his life. Good family memories with laughter and happy tears. Oh..and then go for a good walk.❤
Absolutely fascinating and important discussion. I'm intrigued by McWhorter's wish for a novelist to write an alternative history of what would have happened if more black activists focused on concrete, practical change rather than performative theater and confrontation after the nonviolent civil rights movement.
I'll say this. when I lived in Portland in the 90's, the black muslims kept the anarchists from bad behavior on marches.
The movie Witness could be a template for outsider paradox.
Just mentioning the word “love” and “blessed” has the underpinnings of a religious acknowledgment…..
I AM NOT YOUR NEGRON is directed by Raoul Peck, who’s a Haitian, not Cuban.
Share the cornbread stuffing secrets…we’re losing recipes!
Thanks Glenn and John for all the great content, could you maybe tell your editor to stop adding all the unnecessary “whoosh” sounds every time they show an image? It’s very distracting for listeners.
Soul On Ice got me through a Vermont four day ski weekend. Fixed nothing Nationwide. Well, the book instigated a very few short term hook-ups at base lodge and more secluded spots. Snow Bunnies. Interracial to be sure. What a country.
I love James Baldwin (1 of my fave authors, not just fave “blk authors”) but his earlier work is better. Even the minor Baldwin novels are worth reading, because the humanity of his characters shines through more clearly before Baldwin starts taking his writing more seriously. Then you start to see a bit of pandering to the public’s idea of what he should be writing
Did you read his white boyfriends book, rewriting the Nat Turner Rebellion? The White boyfriend claimed, Turner's rebellion was started because Turner was rejected by a white woman after requesting sex from her. Baldwin publicly stated," writers can write whatever, whether it is true or not"!
My family fought there, they were called the minute men and died at breeds hill and black men fighting alongside them. They were convinced they were fighting for freedom but they were just fighting for the monied interest, the wealthy. Nothing has changed. I read their papers, they wanted peace. They all did. Leave them alone.
I agree with some of your assessments on BLM and the "black movement" but there are some nuisance in it. As a black man, my interactions with the police changed dramatically after George Floyd which is not based on any general statistics but my personal experience. They were a bit more polite and not as aggressive which I think is a great thing.
I think the larger populace could embrace insular communities of black people living together, emphasizing, advocating for, and educating their children in black culture if it could come without the criminality that characterizes black communities today. Criminality remains the single most contentious aspect of black America, and we're doomed to remain divided so long as it looms.
Just one little correction (plus some context): Stokely Carmichael went to Guinea (ex-French colony), not to Guinea-Bissau (at that time still officially Portuguese).
Guinea was ruled by Sekou Toure then, no nice regime indeed. Here, Glenn's memory is to the point.
But Guinea was also the place where Kwame Nkrumah spent his last years in exile after a military coup (in compliance with the CIA) ousted him from the presidency of Ghana in 1966. Carmichael who renamed himself Kwame Ture at the time, served Nkrumah as a secretary. This to his credit...
Wow what an intro. Someone earning their salary. Great show as always ❤
I feel that it should be mentioned that in my personal opinion it was the both sides working tandem the MLK philosophy and the Malcolm X philosophy togetherner at the same time lead to the civil rights movement. That the malcolm x philosophy was the edge that let politicians run to the MLK side and make progress. And without that balance of both most likely the the MLK philosophy would just be ignored. To say the black muslim/black panthers radical blacks or whatever where just performative is quite insulting. Are we not going to mention the CIA and FBI envolvmeny in killing Fred Hampton and others also bludgened the movement.
The problem is all the BLM CORPERATE interest did not represent the grassroots of what the common person was fighting for.
I personally lost a lot of respect for John Luis when he came out and said “I didn’t see Bernie Sanders and any civil rights marches”. Very ugly
Avowed Rayccist LBJ's visions for destroying the Black Communitahs/Family Structure has come to Fruition? Only 140 yrs Left😢
I agree 100% 29:51
I would suggest to stop with the TV-style soundbites at the beginning of the episode... it feels sensationalist
And to send an olive branch to John, i am one of those quasi jews who instead of having anything for hanukah (sp) being "bad jews" (i can say that, my gang, and my mom fully jew so myself jew but i really wasn't raised religiously and call myself a bad jew) we instead had a X mas tree and one night one party usually 15 or so jews singing christmas carols, lol, one secret santa gift only each person kind of thing, much like how it sounds John spent many a X mas too.
Cheers John, Glenn, Merry Christmas!
38:53 What a word choice from the master cunning linguist!
Saw stockley Carmichael many times in the 80s in person. He was then Kwame Toure
Did my famous Gullah cornbread/oyster stuffing too
Once the "Taxation without Representation" problem was solved, there was really not that much left to do. The "What do we do now?" question did not have any good answer. So they came up with bad answers.
Why can’t you two be our president and vice?
Shout out to the animated Glenn in the ad reads, like at 42:00
There is no comparison.
Who do atheists thank on Thanksgiving??
OMG 7:00 AM? I wish i could sleep in till 7... I'm up at 5. I'm setting myself up so that when im his age I'll be able to consider 7 getting up early.
Glen gets lost in his reflection gurgling 😂😂😂 37:42
Doc Glenn and John. You 2 are probably going to be about the only people who will look at this but the work of John Henrik Clark of the Harlem Renaissance then going back Marcus Garvey, Dubois, and Washington-Carver, Arturo Alfonso Schomburg along with other late 19th century pan-Africanists.
Good retort by Glenn to John's claim of poverty.
I’m sad to hear that John has gotten divorced. I hope he’s coping with it ok.