In John’s defense (for the first question), Trump and Elon did claim election fraud in PA before the outcome was realized. Unless that fact has been debunked, it was extremely likely Trump would have contested a defeat. Denying that is just being irrationally charitable.
TBF Bucks County got caught counting illegal ballots. And the PA Supreme Court had to order them again to not count those ballots. And all those ballots seemed to favor Bob Casey the Democrat, who refused to concede until that incident. 😂 CA and NY had been dumping ballots for weeks after the election favoring Democrats and flipping house seats. All this can be fixed if we go back to voter id and restricting mail in voting
As is their right. There MUST be a remedy against fraud and there is. It's much more than a claim when judges and governors are involved. Look into it. Also, corruption and fraud in elections is much more common than people would like to believe, strictly speaking from cases brought, adjudicated, convicted, etc. There is also a reason they want no-id voting, widespread use of mail in ballots, ballot dumping, and not having election monitors.
That's because he deviates from the tribe on Israel and Palestine. I'm not saying Glenn's position is necessarily right, but if you agree with him on every issue where he disagrees with John except for the one issue where he deviates from the tribe, that may be an indication that you aren't actually thinking for yourself.
John is much clearer eyed on the West Bank than Glenn - it's fascinating to see two incredibly intelligent people, each with their own blind spot, engaging with each other on their own weaknesses :). This is a great show :)
@@Home4Facts It seems that however most of the world sees it, their perspective hasn't really been effective at fixing the situation. So, I'm not sure I would be "thankful" that most of the world is stuck in a frame that creates an intractable problem. John's point is incisive - south african apartheid was immoral because of it's *reasons*. Simply using skin color as a reason to treat one person differently than another is abhorrent. Whatever "apartheid" you might point to in the West Bank doesn't come from racist premises - it comes as a reaction to violence, and the promise of future violence, against people of a certain racial and ethnic background. Arabs exist, and live happily and peacefully, in Israel. Jews are not given the same treatment in Arab countries. If anything, it's defensive apartheid, rather than oppressive apartheid. If the "palestinians" stopped wanting to kill Jews, peace woudl break out as a natural consequence. Of course, undoing generations of inculcating hate into a population isn't going to disappear overnight.
@@JereKrischel Israel chooses to have presence in Israel. She is there illegally. If you don’t want to face violence (which Palestinians have the legal right to undertake) then leave. Go to Israel.
@@Home4Facts Pretend you're Israel, and you take that kind of rhetoric seriously. Do you think this incentivizes them to be fearful, or accepting? If you were faced with a nearby population that literally wanted to ethnically cleanse you from your country, would you want to integrate with them, or keep them separate? Or pretend you're "palestinians" in the west bank, and the same argument is being made to you - that if you don't want to face violence, then leave. Does that sound persuasive to you? If the Israeli's made it a policy to use their full military force to kill or expel every "palestinian", would you support that kind of rationale? I'm sorry, but no matter what a country may or may not have done to you or someone related to you, it simply doesn't justify violence targeted at innocent civilians.
Glenn's take on Israel surprises me. John poses the question: what should Israel do in the face of an enemy deeply dedicated to its destruction and the murder of it's people? Glenn evades the question and instead, in the manner of someone like Cenk Uygur, cries for the dead children. The war is a terrible tragedy but to lay all the blame on Israel is to not analyze the conflict in a serious way.
Love these two super smart thoughtful guys. Especially enjoyed this discussion of world languages in this video. You guys are a national treasure, don't ever change.
I noticed it around the time he started talking about his memoir. He's gotten super emotional and seems it's impossible for him to defend any of his positions lately. He just gets worked up and evades reasonable questions
Circa 2008, when I was in my mid 30's, I heard John McCain say in an interview, as he was getting choked up talking about something which I completely forget, that as one enters old age, one gets more and more emotional. I hadn't considered that before, but since, I have seen in play out again and again. It seems to be an inviolable truth. Witness Barry Weiss's interview of Jerry Seinfeld from earlier this year.
The fact that Glenn doesn't want to engage with John's question about Hamas is sad. I normally come down hard on John for his TDS, this time though Glenn is similarly out of pocket. He seemed to be lashing out at John because John doesn't agree with his underlying view of the situation at hand. I don't care if someone thinks what's going on over there is a genocide, self-defense, etc. I'm not taking sides here. The fact that Glenn is willing to ignore history and the goals of organizations like Hamas is so jarring due to the lack of logic though. He seems to understand that there is value in understanding the history of slavery and oppression in the history of the US even while acknowledging that such history isn't driving the current culture and status quo despite the efforts of woke activists. Somehow though he is unwilling to approach the Israel-Palestinian issue with the same rubric.
@@joshfranklin9941 I can't say for sure, but I have a hypothesis. I think a core part of the problem is that he is understandably emotional about the loss of life of civilian life in Gaza. Additionally, he likely has the same moral response most have for the loss of civilian lives in war. This combination unfortunately creates a perfect storm of sorts. When emotions and morals mix in the right proportions, people seem to lose their capacity to engage in nuance that could harm their world view. To avoid the cognitive dissonance, they sperg out irrationally in an unconscious attempt to drive away threats to the belief(s) being challenged. I think that is what is going on here. I don't think it is intentional on Glenn's part, but I also don't know if he can remove himself enough from his emotional response to understand he is engaging in the same type of rhetoric and behavior that he has criticized woke activists for engaging in.
@@glyyytch My mother -- 75 years old now, 1 yr + 1wk younger than Glenn -- has been like this with Gaza and the West Bank for as long as I can remember. They're part of that cohort that was in college when Vietnam went kazoo, but who otherwise made it through high school under the old Buddy Holly / Beatlemania Regime of Fashion & Sensibility. It *seems* to me that these folks kept their outrage at bay in a way that the 2nd-Stage Boomers could not. To be sure, there were plenty of people who got into one anti-war movement or another who were well older than either of them. But I always found it interesting that of my aunts and uncles who were big into hippydom on both sides of my family (my paternal uncle who was a year younger than my mother was huge into the Chicanos), most of them were in high school in 1967. But while they might not have easily fit into the burgeoning social scene that attended these movements, they still shared the greater disgust at the horror of what Cronkite and other were broadcasting nightly. Dunno! But I like your hypothesis.
@ What’s bizarre is that he seems unable to acknowledge that not only is this a war, but that this is one the Palestinians started in the most brutal way possible, and also that it’s the *most humane war in history* in terms of civilian/combatant casualties, even though the difficulty of avoiding civilian casualties is unprecedented. Never before has an enemy force been entirely burrowed underground beneath their civilian population. Glenn never mentions any of this. Meanwhile, he essentially takes the side of Russia in the evil war of aggression that Russia started against Ukraine, a war involving an order of magnitude more deaths, and he’s quite blasé about the idea of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. It’s deeply depressing that he’s bought into Mearsheimerism and the childish BLM nonsense Coates is selling. It’s completely inconsistent with the sharp stance he took on BLM just a few years ago.
Thankfully the past year the world has opened their eyes to see past this lie. Netanyahu as been caught on tape saying he would include “poison pills” to ensure that any deal would be unviable. The lead negotiator for Israel at Camp David, Ben-Ami, said himself that he wouldn’t have signed the deal if he was Palestinian. Why can’t Zionists just admit that you see Hebron, Bethlehem, Nablus, Jericho and Jerusalem as yours? Just stop lying.
Love you guys! I really hope your friendship survives the next four years. it’s a tribute to both of your integrity that I can even imagine such a thing being the case.
Regarding the charge of Israel being an Apartheid state: The occupied territory in the West Bank might be an area characterized as being "apart". That's not Israel. I do not condone the occupation of the West Bank. I was in favor of the EU (where I'm from) sanctioning the Israeli settlement. However, one might point out that the US is occupying quite some territory outside of the US and that in general, different laws apply to US citizens located in those occupied territory as opposed to the local population. Does this make the US an apartheid state? No. In the same vein, the existence of different rule sets between Israeli settlers in the West Bank and West Bank Palestinians doesn't make Israel an apartheid state.
What a nice surprise finding this. Thank you Glenn for posting this to us all to listen for free, and hope you both are well. And the team. Also…and this I’ve been wanting to say for a long time! Something I’ve been thinking about every single time I listen to the podcast - almost always on audio - is that the lady introducing the show with a prerecorded message has the most remarkably lovely voice. It seems the message has been re-recorded lately, but still the same lady with the pleasant voice. Thank you.
Why does Glenn insist on dying on this hill at it relates to Israel / Palestine. Coates’s is applying the same reductionist logic that Glenn correctly crirtuqes to the conflict. It seems like he is just on a bad boy arc and want's to have the cool new opinion.
Let's assume that everything that Glenn believes about Israel and Gaza is 100% true. He is still unable to reconcile the horrific events of October 7th and the murder that the Gaza government committed with the tacit approval of its people.
I think he wants to be liked by his wife and various other pro-Palestine friends. It also fits with his more general John Mearsheimer-esque views on foreign affairs. It’s very disappointing to see him go down this path. Somehow the moral sense he was able to apply to the analysis of BLM has disappeared, and he’s been left in a state of moral confusion. It’s shocking to see how he doesn’t even attempt to make arguments based on historical facts - all he can do is scream “genocide!” and “so you’re gonna kill em all???” Come on Glenn. You’re smarter than this.
Glenn is the goat 🐐 looking young and healthy. As a young black free thinker; you've changed my perspective. What a great pedagogy curve. Please can you post your public speaking engagement(s)? Saw you in Minnesota last year; because you talked about speaking at a college in Minnesota. Thanks Glenn 😊.
I don’t see how anyone can look at the Israel/Palestine situation, especially from America, and not see it as an utter rat’s nest of a problem, if not intractable then damn nearly so. It is COMPLICATED. Why then do people hold their one-sided views so fervently when there is much to be said of faults from both sides.
We can profitably dismiss anything Glenn or John say regarding geopolitics and military affairs. I don't believe either have served in the U.S. military. There are veterans who say similar things as Glenn and John. Their opinions and arguments can be considered because they have the weight of experience and interest. The interest Glenn and John have is light in comparison.
Most politicians haven't served in the U.S. military either. Should be "profitably dismiss anything [they] say regarding geopolitics and military affairs" as well?
Many & likely most military veterans & politicians know little about foreign affairs. People's opinion should be heeded or dismissed to the extent their opinions possess coherent explanatory power about various situations or not.
@@zarbins That's why a president has many advisors. Hopefully they will lead him in the right direction. Having a civilian Commander is very important.
Hi John and Glenn! I just want to let y'all know that I have enjoyed your dialogues for years. I particularly like to see how both of you challenge each other and seemingly learn from each other more than other reoccurring podcast guests/host combinations. Perhaps y'all have covered the amorphous concept of respect/disrespect and pettiness, but if not could you? Respectfully, an avid fan.
Is it a sad commentary on state of the media that I get strangely emotional hearing these men talk intelligently and disagreeing respectfully while also acknowledging each others points. More of this please for a long time gentlemen.
Glenn, you're saying the world doesn't need a police force and we shouldn't go around meddling, but then you say what we should do is 'stand up a Palestinian state'? I'm sorry, but these two positions don't square. Why are you trying to police the way Israel is taking care of what it views as an existential threat at home? And not *at all* without reason. Let Israel take care of its security the way it sees fit, no? Or do you really want to be the moral police?
Oh you just mean 'stop giving aid to Israel?' Is our role going to be then that we moral test the whole world and withhold any aid 'til we find them blameless? Do you even think if we told Israel no more aid, they'd stop doing all of the 'apartheid' stuff anyway?
I wonder what the people crying "lawfare!" think should happen to a president they genuinely believe to be a criminal. Apparently, the idea is that we should (and now, in fact, do) have a two-tiered system of justice. If you are important enough you will never face justice.
I’m a big fan of Dr Loury, but his view on Taiwan is remarkably short-sighted. If China breaks out of the island barrier it will gain an enormous accretion of power. The small nations of SE Asian will seek an accommodation with China, Japan and Australia will be forced to go nuclear, and in a decade the US will face an emboldened China in control of the entire Pacific, with naval bases from Fiji to the Indian ocean and with the capacity to project carrier task forces into the vital sea lanes of the world.
I usually side with Glenn, but this time I agree with John on Gaza. Glenn seems to discount how the threats and violence for months, years, decades that Palestinians have inflicted that has lead to their treatment today. Besides it is the Palestinians side, that reject a two state solution, not the other way around
It is true that consumers benefit from lower prices, higher quality, greater variety, and easier availability. A problem is the largest beneficiaries of free trade are those who don't face foreign competition. That's public servants, politicians, academics, doctors, lawyers, etc. The managerial and credentialed class. They maximise the benefits of free trade yet incur few costs. They are also the group who conceptualise the framework, negotiate and write trade treaties, and disseminate sense making about trade to the general public. The push for free trade in the 19th and early 20th century did not originate in the US. Working-class people do benefit from international commerce, but they face much higher risk than the aforementioned professions. Not only job loss but also destruction of what little wealth they have built such as when home prices collapse in dying one-industry towns. This cascades to unemployment costs and other costly knock-on effects such as crime, substance abuse, family turmoil. And, as we saw during the 'rona, the sudden loss of imports and disruption to supply channels cascaded severely. These all have a cost and it is not captured on the price tag. Let's not ignore the national security risks when the US doesn't manufacture necessary components and intermediate goods. For much of its history the US was not a free-trade nation. The federal government was funded by import duties and the liquor tax. After the Civil War exports as percentage of GDP grew to about 10% of GDP until 1900, declined to 2% to GDP in 1928 because of the rapidly expanding domestic market, down to 1.9% in 1940, and increased during WWII and for about two decades after because the US was the only major economy undamaged by war. Then, the US decided to further liberalise its market to aid its allies without a quid pro quo in 1962 - JFK's Trade Expansion Act. The same year exports of goods and services was 4.809% of US GDP. It would be in 2006 that exports would surpass 10% of GDP, roughly a century after they had last been such a large part of the US economy.. In 1960, 98% of all footwear sold in the US was made in the US. Throughout the late '60s and '70s US footwear, garments, and textiles makers were hit hard. Then it was small appliances, tools, steel, etc. And it continued on up the value-added chain. Unlike across the Atlantic, the US was and still is far more self sufficient. It imports coffee, vanilla, tin, tropical fruits, copper, etc but is food and energy secure. Not many countries can claim this - Brazil, Australia, and Russia are some of the others. Kuwait has abundant energy but is food and water insecure. China is insecure in both food and energy as well as many mineral resources needed for manufacturing. So too is much of Europe. Presently, exports of goods and services are 32.17% of UK's GDP, 34.01% of France's, 50.34% of Germany's GDP, and 84.96% of the Netherlands'. The EU's most valuable export is vehicles and machinery. In contrast, exports are 11.77% of US GDP; its largest export by value is petroleum and its products as well as gas, so there's demand for that with Russia losing market share. Vehicles and machinery can be built most anywhere. Energy is not found most anywhere. Can industry return to America? US electricity costs per kWh are less than half than Germany, UK, Italy, etc. It is very competitive in energy costs as well as gas as a feedstock for petrochemicals. And the US is not facing demographic collapse unlike almost all of Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea. Labour cost is but one aspect of the cost of production, and Germany is able to have a large industrial sector despite its high labour cost - manufacturing is 19% of Germany's GDP whereas it is 10.3% of America's. It's undue and burdensome regulation that increases the cost of production in the US. The US has Europe and China over a barrel because both rely on the US market to fund their prosperity. America needs to deal with others on a transactional basis. Exit mega multilateral agreements such as the WTO and enter into bilateral and trilateral trade agreements. China demands all others locate manufacturing in China to gain access to its domestic market, and its market has proved to be fool's gold for many foreign businesses. The US may play that hand as well. The precedent has been established and accepted. And unlike China, America's market is lucrative for its trade partners. '[I]n general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favour of free trade.' Karl Marx in his 1848 speech 'On the Question of Free Trade'.
Can someone explain this to me like I am a 24 year old Brown student... How would it be considered apartheid considering both groups have their own distinct areas? Why does Israel have to treat non citizen of Israel as well as they treat their own citizens? There are currently roughly 1.7 million Muslims that are full citizens of Israel. For Israel to actually be considered an apartheid state wouldn't they have to treat their Muslims like 2nd class citizens?
Seems like many think what happened Oct 7th was mainly because of the Israeli occupation of Gaza. Then some think it's a simple as these people are monsters. I think it's mainly because of religion
WOW, something for all sides. However, transparency is beneficial at the end of the day. I disagree with Glen on the Israel front. I strongly disagree with John on the lawfare issue against Trump. However, being that neither of the two believe in God, I'm truly not surprised at their answers, especially John.
What's truly amazing about opinions; everyone has them regardless if they are based on truth... unfortunately most people believe their opinions are based on truth!
I'm really shocked by Glenn's argument on the Palestinian issue. I have never heard Glenn make such ridiculous arguments and nearly everything he said about the issue is wrong ... please Glenn do more research and don't rely on the Hamas propaganda (keeping in mind that every photo and every piece of information coming out of Gaza is vetted by Hamas).
@@joshfranklin9941 On the other hand, I get the sense from JW that he thinks Glenn remains persuadable. He (JW) is no longer as gobsmacker'd and flummoxed in his reactions to Glenn's take on "The Message" as he was a month ago; he remains insistent and refuses to shy away, but he has assumed a more patient approach. Part of the reason this pairing works so well is that each is able to penetrate the stubborn intellectual fronts of the other.
I agree with Glenn on a great many topics, far more than I find myself agreeing with John about; However, he is just objectively wrong about the apartheid debate pertaining to the West Bank versus South Africa. Nuance matters, and he knows that, but he doesn’t seem to be, reflecting that in the discussion.
So John is all for the ends justifying the means, even when it comes to lawfare and, maybe even assasinations, so long as it's for the side he is on. So NY Times of him.
There weren't 20 millions less votes - more like 3.5 million. Harris has 74.9 million and Trump had 77.2 million. In 2020, Trump had 74.2 million so similar though slightly less than Harris's number and Biden had 81.2 so the real difference seems to be the difference between Trump's votes and Biden's. Possible this difference could be explained by mail in voting though who knows? It should not be out of scope to question election results, especially when the election didn't have the same rules as a normal election. There may be irregularities in this election or the previous one or even the one before that which people should be able to be question without being shamed for merely posing questions.
I work for the election commission in the Midwest. In 2020 our rules for mail in ballots were very lax. You can look this up if you wish. In 2024, way stricter. I think this partially answers the vote shortfall. And my hunch is like 2016, the enthusiasm for KH was lower than stated in the MSM
Dear Professor McWhorter, On the Gaza issue, I’ve mentioned before that from what I observed when I was there, I feel there is a strong case for calling it an apartheid state. Here is why. I wrote months ago that I didn’t believe Netanyahu’s excuse for essentially carpet bombing civilian apartments. At the time, his excuse was that Hamas was hiding among the civilians. As I expressed earlier, I read about all the extraordinary Israeli scientific and technological breakthroughs, and I can’t believe that with all the brilliant minds they have at their disposal, they can’t be more selective and attack high-value targets. I think it’s fair to assume most grade school children and their Moms are probably not Hamas terrorists. The kill ratio was 30 to 1. It is also hard to believe they were so inept; they kept bombing the cities they told the Palestinians to evacuate TO. They also bombed hospitals and prevented international relief agencies from delivering food, water and medicine to people on the brink of starving. I just picture these Israeli soldiers running around like a bunch of inept Keystone Cops from Netanyahu’s description of the operations. Based on the most recent activity in Gaza, destroying and clearing buildings, they’re not even pretending they don’t intend for Jewish Israelis to take over Gaza. The following is an excellent article by Thomas Friedman. I read it twice; it has some very pertinent information. www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/opinion/trump-israel-iran.html
I usually align more with Glenn's take on things as opposed to John's. The reason for this is that I feel Glenn relies more on logic and reason, rather than emotion(s). That said, with respect to the Israel/Palestine issue, it seems to me to be the exact opposite. Thus, I have become more and more disappointed with Glenn's take on that particular issue.
I can listen to John talk about languages forever. Fascinating stuff!!! But him talking about Trump, not that much 😅 He should start a long form podcast on languages.
I enjoy GoodFellows on the Hoover Institue's YT channel for foreign policy discussions but there are many other from the Oxford Union to John Anderson (Australian) and Alliance Defending Freedom.
He didn’t do the same thing in 2024? On election night he was tweeting doubts about Pennsylvania’s vote counting until the election swung in his favor. He already did it. It’s not an assumption or a prediction
John Lewis did contribute during rhe civil rights movement but almost at the time of his death the Rev. CT Vivian passed and there was barely a mention. Rev. Vivian was much more of consequence than Lewis ever was. You can place Rev Vivian in the same sentence as King and Abernathy.
Glen is very ignorant of foreign policy and history. In all the years that I've listened to people talk about foreign policy. I've never heard anybody come up with any intelligent policy in regards to other countries when they bring up this world policeman b******* Endless wars is another catch phrase that distracts from actual rational risk cost-benefit analysis of a given situation. Whenever someone says endless wars or world policeman, there will never be any rational thought that comes after it. I haven't heard anybody knowledgeable say that Vladimir Putin is going to start a nuclear exchange with the United States if we give arms to Ukraine. Moreover, the military experts have been uniform and saying that the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine by the Russians would be very ineffective militarily, but at the same time Putin would lose his support from key allies, India, China and a lot of the third world, which is.broadly unsupportive of Ukraine. Because of this actually i wish Putin would miscalculate and use tactical nuclear weapons because I don't think his regime would survive doing that.
Words matter. I agree with John that the handy use of powerful words from historical events is not helpful in understanding similar but distinct situations. I get turned off when people throw such words around and feel they are not constructively engaged. Labels like fascist, communist, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, are not meant to be accurately descriptive but more emotive as Glen himself explains later. Improperly describing and understanding a problem as complex as that in Israel with emotive words is normal and expected of course, but they also communicate a held moral positions that inhibits ones ability to reach another person who may also be holding onto emotive labels and ideas. Arguing from an emotional base is like arguing about religion. It just seems ineffective at helping one another understand new points of view and gain new understandings and possible shape a more accurate view.
Why? (37:50) Why, John? There is always a "why" in the eyes of the oppressor, but it is never a real justification, unless you think it's ever alright to subjugate another people.
28:58 I agree that the left-wing people I pay attention to are less outwardly upset than they were 8 years ago, but that seems to overwhelmingly be because they're not surprised this time. People were more expressly shocked and upset in 2016, but I've seen a lot more accounts of people cutting ties with Trump-supporting friends and family members this time around. They're calmer because they're resigning themselves to the national divorce. 51:02 It's a bad idea and I don't see any reason to think it would even work. The way she describes the Democrats is identical to how the left describes the Republicans. They believe that the Republicans live on the low road and never compromise or shy away from dirty tactics. No lessons would be learned because both sides think they're on the defensive, and any "lawfare" pursued against the left would be perceived as a hypocritical unprompted attack.
I don’t think the last question was the republicans getting in the pig slop and returning political persecution … I think she was saying they should be held accountable ..
I feel the same about Trump and Jan 6. I voted for him still. I realized that I would rather have someone who made an epic boneheaded move on Jan 6 than a whole administration that is capable of anything. The lesser of two evils.
@@peterz22thomas5 I was talking about claiming fraud, never having the evidence and his lawyers pleading guilty in the RICO case and admitting they had no evidence. Those misleading lies got our patriots jailed and one patriot killed. I am sure the Democrats would still be worse than Trump. I wanted to give DeSantis the nod for that.
Glenn has TDS, the notion that American government shouldn't have a mandate to maintain American hegemony when it confers massive economic and geo-strategical advantages is absurd to me. The fact he mentions Taiwan so casually as something to not be meddled in shows he has no clue about current tech and its major force behind the worlds economy and digital revolution. Or that he thinks "paying NATO" in pure cash(which are the numbers trump always trumpets) is actually a valid argument ignoring all of the other ways nations contribute to NATO is childlike. I can see why Trump is convincing when a big part of Americans are so isolated and uninterested in the worlds affairs or how things run outside of their borders or how it impacts their life. As somebody born in the EU i see trump for what he is, a populist demagogue peddling slogans and lying true his teeth. And just so nobody mistakes me for being TDS, i think he's rational in doing so since it provides him what he wants, similar to how a child crying for something is rational if it ends up with with the child getting its way. Just listen to the latest "meet the press" interview and get a bingo card ready filled with his slogans. Then proceed to give points when he doesn't answer a question and instead goes into a random slogan yap.(he answered one question somewhat directly in that entire interview with zero to no pushback, which ironically i guess his apathic supporters will find based) I'm not at the Israel-Palestine part yet but considering the displayed ignorance of global affairs by Glenn i'm not expecting much to chew on, probably some populist talking points with a sauce of "facts be damned" which both the left and right seem to unite in currently under Trump as evident by the gleeful hate online at the recent UH Ceo debacle applauding what happened from both camps united under the banner of "civility is for losers".
I think John may be referring to grammar, syntax and pronunciation when he talks about English as relatively simple compared to eg Navajo. English nevertheless has one of the largest vocabularies of all languages.
Glenn is usually bright and insightful-- but when it comes to his downplaying of Palestinian rejectionism and terrorism, highly disappointing. And since when does Israel get a free pass on criticism?.
For every penny US spends on defense related to Taiwan, the average consumer receives benefits of over thirty trillion USD. It's all about marginal benefit per dollar.
38:10 - the "answers" were not "utterly unjustifiable" to the people who supported the Apartheid state at the time. It's extremely disingenuous of John to add the "from this distance". That's a false comparison. The way some people support the oppressive policies of certain states acting right now is the way those people supported oppression then.
To John: Regarding lawfare and Trump, if I can be a bit cliche about it, integrity is not about doing the right thing when it’s easy. It’s about doing the right thing when it’s hard. Using law as a weapon damages the credibility of the legal system in the same way that attacking the credibility of elections does, and therefore political lawfare is not doing the right thing. And yeah, I know the response, it starts with “but Trump”, which is a very tempting and convenient way to get around doing the right thing. But in reality it’s the same argument, AND OUTCOME, as a kid in the back seat saying “well she hit me first”. Or you’re maybe validating Machiavelli’ism. So no, I’m sorry, grow up dem’s. You’re either adults or you’re not. And if you’re not, then you’re no better than your opponent, you don’t get to claim the high ground, and you don’t get to claim to have integrity.
John is right about trump. Glenn is right about the many things wrong about the Dems & the Left. Glenn is wrong about trump. trump is NOT the right answer for anything.
Franklin Pierce legitimately developed a serious drinking problem after the death of a child during his presidential campaign. His wife blamed the tragedy on the political stresses, so Pierce had a personal breakdown. TLDR, this seems a criticism more than a slur.
US should start manufacturing our own necessities like chips and computers and phones to stop worrying about China and Taiwan. Just imagine the total dominance of China in that.
Glenn, Coates, and particularly the entire Palestinian side needs to stop lying about censorship. People like Finklestein said oct 7th warmed his heart, the tweet was never removed for hate speech. People say gross things and then claim the reactions have to do with censorship.
Thank you for posting this for free, Dr. Loury.
You are helping to cultivate the next generation of scholars.
The way these two represent so many opposed objective views and remain friends should set an example for the entire nation.
I love watching John speak about linguistics. 😊
In John’s defense (for the first question), Trump and Elon did claim election fraud in PA before the outcome was realized. Unless that fact has been debunked, it was extremely likely Trump would have contested a defeat.
Denying that is just being irrationally charitable.
This. Anyone who truly believes Trump wouldn't have claimed fraud i he lost has not been paying attention.
TBF Bucks County got caught counting illegal ballots. And the PA Supreme Court had to order them again to not count those ballots. And all those ballots seemed to favor Bob Casey the Democrat, who refused to concede until that incident. 😂
CA and NY had been dumping ballots for weeks after the election favoring Democrats and flipping house seats. All this can be fixed if we go back to voter id and restricting mail in voting
As is their right. There MUST be a remedy against fraud and there is. It's much more than a claim when judges and governors are involved. Look into it. Also, corruption and fraud in elections is much more common than people would like to believe, strictly speaking from cases brought, adjudicated, convicted, etc. There is also a reason they want no-id voting, widespread use of mail in ballots, ballot dumping, and not having election monitors.
I agree wholeheartedly with John on Israel and Palestine. I normally agree more with Glenn.
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I agree almost completely wiyh Glenn and find John's stance to be weak. So there you go, people think differently.
@@allydea That's because you're wrong.
That's because he deviates from the tribe on Israel and Palestine. I'm not saying Glenn's position is necessarily right, but if you agree with him on every issue where he disagrees with John except for the one issue where he deviates from the tribe, that may be an indication that you aren't actually thinking for yourself.
John is much clearer eyed on the West Bank than Glenn - it's fascinating to see two incredibly intelligent people, each with their own blind spot, engaging with each other on their own weaknesses :). This is a great show :)
No he isn’t. And thankfully the world sees it Glenn’s way.
@@Home4Facts Yeah, Glenn's argument, "we can agree to disagree" was really compelling.
@@Home4Facts It seems that however most of the world sees it, their perspective hasn't really been effective at fixing the situation. So, I'm not sure I would be "thankful" that most of the world is stuck in a frame that creates an intractable problem.
John's point is incisive - south african apartheid was immoral because of it's *reasons*. Simply using skin color as a reason to treat one person differently than another is abhorrent. Whatever "apartheid" you might point to in the West Bank doesn't come from racist premises - it comes as a reaction to violence, and the promise of future violence, against people of a certain racial and ethnic background. Arabs exist, and live happily and peacefully, in Israel. Jews are not given the same treatment in Arab countries.
If anything, it's defensive apartheid, rather than oppressive apartheid. If the "palestinians" stopped wanting to kill Jews, peace woudl break out as a natural consequence. Of course, undoing generations of inculcating hate into a population isn't going to disappear overnight.
@@JereKrischel Israel chooses to have presence in Israel. She is there illegally.
If you don’t want to face violence (which Palestinians have the legal right to undertake) then leave.
Go to Israel.
@@Home4Facts Pretend you're Israel, and you take that kind of rhetoric seriously. Do you think this incentivizes them to be fearful, or accepting? If you were faced with a nearby population that literally wanted to ethnically cleanse you from your country, would you want to integrate with them, or keep them separate?
Or pretend you're "palestinians" in the west bank, and the same argument is being made to you - that if you don't want to face violence, then leave. Does that sound persuasive to you? If the Israeli's made it a policy to use their full military force to kill or expel every "palestinian", would you support that kind of rationale?
I'm sorry, but no matter what a country may or may not have done to you or someone related to you, it simply doesn't justify violence targeted at innocent civilians.
Thank you for this Q & A I enjoyed the response.
Glenn's passion is inversely proportional to his rationality
That's generally how it goes. In the battle between emotion and reason, emotion will most often corrupt reason to defend our foregone conclusions.
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Glenn's take on Israel surprises me. John poses the question: what should Israel do in the face of an enemy deeply dedicated to its destruction and the murder of it's people? Glenn evades the question and instead, in the manner of someone like Cenk Uygur, cries for the dead children. The war is a terrible tragedy but to lay all the blame on Israel is to not analyze the conflict in a serious way.
It surprises me too. Glenn's take sounds more like someone from the hard left than a thoughtful conservative.
@@strictlyroots7343 Has Israel tried abiding by international law and not illegally occupying them?
No, they haven't unfortunately! @Home4Facts
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Glenn. Is a smart & thoughtful guy.
His take this is where the facts lead
It's where open eyes & minds arrive.
Now ask the same question in reverse.
Love these two super smart thoughtful guys. Especially enjoyed this discussion of world languages in this video. You guys are a national treasure, don't ever change.
I hate when my dads fight 😢
it's okay to disagree, better to be open about it than repress it.
All the best this holiday season gentlemen. You are the best of the best in your respective fields. Much appreciated.
I feel like as Glenn gets older, he is getting more emotional.
I noticed it around the time he started talking about his memoir. He's gotten super emotional and seems it's impossible for him to defend any of his positions lately. He just gets worked up and evades reasonable questions
Circa 2008, when I was in my mid 30's, I heard John McCain say in an interview, as he was getting choked up talking about something which I completely forget, that as one enters old age, one gets more and more emotional. I hadn't considered that before, but since, I have seen in play out again and again. It seems to be an inviolable truth. Witness Barry Weiss's interview of Jerry Seinfeld from earlier this year.
I didn't see emotional, I saw pasionate.
Merry Christmas Glenn!
The fact that Glenn doesn't want to engage with John's question about Hamas is sad. I normally come down hard on John for his TDS, this time though Glenn is similarly out of pocket. He seemed to be lashing out at John because John doesn't agree with his underlying view of the situation at hand. I don't care if someone thinks what's going on over there is a genocide, self-defense, etc. I'm not taking sides here. The fact that Glenn is willing to ignore history and the goals of organizations like Hamas is so jarring due to the lack of logic though. He seems to understand that there is value in understanding the history of slavery and oppression in the history of the US even while acknowledging that such history isn't driving the current culture and status quo despite the efforts of woke activists. Somehow though he is unwilling to approach the Israel-Palestinian issue with the same rubric.
Well said 💯
What do you think the psychological explanation of this is? It’s so unusual for him, I don’t really understand where it comes from.
@@joshfranklin9941 I can't say for sure, but I have a hypothesis. I think a core part of the problem is that he is understandably emotional about the loss of life of civilian life in Gaza. Additionally, he likely has the same moral response most have for the loss of civilian lives in war. This combination unfortunately creates a perfect storm of sorts. When emotions and morals mix in the right proportions, people seem to lose their capacity to engage in nuance that could harm their world view. To avoid the cognitive dissonance, they sperg out irrationally in an unconscious attempt to drive away threats to the belief(s) being challenged. I think that is what is going on here. I don't think it is intentional on Glenn's part, but I also don't know if he can remove himself enough from his emotional response to understand he is engaging in the same type of rhetoric and behavior that he has criticized woke activists for engaging in.
@@glyyytch My mother -- 75 years old now, 1 yr + 1wk younger than Glenn -- has been like this with Gaza and the West Bank for as long as I can remember. They're part of that cohort that was in college when Vietnam went kazoo, but who otherwise made it through high school under the old Buddy Holly / Beatlemania Regime of Fashion & Sensibility. It *seems* to me that these folks kept their outrage at bay in a way that the 2nd-Stage Boomers could not.
To be sure, there were plenty of people who got into one anti-war movement or another who were well older than either of them. But I always found it interesting that of my aunts and uncles who were big into hippydom on both sides of my family (my paternal uncle who was a year younger than my mother was huge into the Chicanos), most of them were in high school in 1967. But while they might not have easily fit into the burgeoning social scene that attended these movements, they still shared the greater disgust at the horror of what Cronkite and other were broadcasting nightly.
Dunno! But I like your hypothesis.
@ What’s bizarre is that he seems unable to acknowledge that not only is this a war, but that this is one the Palestinians started in the most brutal way possible, and also that it’s the *most humane war in history* in terms of civilian/combatant casualties, even though the difficulty of avoiding civilian casualties is unprecedented. Never before has an enemy force been entirely burrowed underground beneath their civilian population. Glenn never mentions any of this. Meanwhile, he essentially takes the side of Russia in the evil war of aggression that Russia started against Ukraine, a war involving an order of magnitude more deaths, and he’s quite blasé about the idea of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. It’s deeply depressing that he’s bought into Mearsheimerism and the childish BLM nonsense Coates is selling. It’s completely inconsistent with the sharp stance he took on BLM just a few years ago.
Thank you! I love listening to your episodes together. I do believe 2025 i will subscribe.
Glenn and John have blessed the dawgz today.
it seems (not just from this episode) that an episode with John McWhorter & Ta-Nehisi Coates is overdue
It would need to be moderated and *not* by Glenn.
It has always been the Palestinians who have rejected the two state solution. That use to be Judea.
Thankfully the past year the world has opened their eyes to see past this lie.
Netanyahu as been caught on tape saying he would include “poison pills” to ensure that any deal would be unviable.
The lead negotiator for Israel at Camp David, Ben-Ami, said himself that he wouldn’t have signed the deal if he was Palestinian.
Why can’t Zionists just admit that you see Hebron, Bethlehem, Nablus, Jericho and Jerusalem as yours? Just stop lying.
That’s just flat out false. They have never once had a realistic offer made to them. Not once.
Fantastic Christmas sweater Glenn!
Thank you for all you do
Glenn is lost on every issue, John has the patience of a saint.
Wow! I've never heard Glen interrupt John so much! That is telling. 38:13
Thank you for making this available! 🎉
Love you guys! I really hope your friendship survives the next four years. it’s a tribute to both of your integrity that I can even imagine such a thing being the case.
Wow - I’ve never seen Glenn get so heated. Great discussion as usual.
Regarding the charge of Israel being an Apartheid state:
The occupied territory in the West Bank might be an area characterized as being "apart". That's not Israel. I do not condone the occupation of the West Bank. I was in favor of the EU (where I'm from) sanctioning the Israeli settlement. However, one might point out that the US is occupying quite some territory outside of the US and that in general, different laws apply to US citizens located in those occupied territory as opposed to the local population. Does this make the US an apartheid state? No. In the same vein, the existence of different rule sets between Israeli settlers in the West Bank and West Bank Palestinians doesn't make Israel an apartheid state.
Arab Israelis cannot buy land… …second class citizens sure seems like apartheid.
What a nice surprise finding this. Thank you Glenn for posting this to us all to listen for free, and hope you both are well. And the team.
Also…and this I’ve been wanting to say for a long time! Something I’ve been thinking about every single time I listen to the podcast - almost always on audio - is that the lady introducing the show with a prerecorded message has the most remarkably lovely voice. It seems the message has been re-recorded lately, but still the same lady with the pleasant voice.
Thank you.
Why does Glenn insist on dying on this hill at it relates to Israel / Palestine. Coates’s is applying the same reductionist logic that Glenn correctly crirtuqes to the conflict. It seems like he is just on a bad boy arc and want's to have the cool new opinion.
Let's assume that everything that Glenn believes about Israel and Gaza is 100% true. He is still unable to reconcile the horrific events of October 7th and the murder that the Gaza government committed with the tacit approval of its people.
Hypocrisy is always annoying
I think he wants to be liked by his wife and various other pro-Palestine friends. It also fits with his more general John Mearsheimer-esque views on foreign affairs. It’s very disappointing to see him go down this path. Somehow the moral sense he was able to apply to the analysis of BLM has disappeared, and he’s been left in a state of moral confusion. It’s shocking to see how he doesn’t even attempt to make arguments based on historical facts - all he can do is scream “genocide!” and “so you’re gonna kill em all???” Come on Glenn. You’re smarter than this.
Glenn is the goat 🐐 looking young and healthy. As a young black free thinker; you've changed my perspective. What a great pedagogy curve.
Please can you post your public speaking engagement(s)? Saw you in Minnesota last year; because you talked about speaking at a college in Minnesota. Thanks Glenn 😊.
I don’t see how anyone can look at the Israel/Palestine situation, especially from America, and not see it as an utter rat’s nest of a problem, if not intractable then damn nearly so. It is COMPLICATED. Why then do people hold their one-sided views so fervently when there is much to be said of faults from both sides.
We can profitably dismiss anything Glenn or John say regarding geopolitics and military affairs. I don't believe either have served in the U.S. military. There are veterans who say similar things as Glenn and John. Their opinions and arguments can be considered because they have the weight of experience and interest. The interest Glenn and John have is light in comparison.
Most politicians haven't served in the U.S. military either. Should be "profitably dismiss anything [they] say regarding geopolitics and military affairs" as well?
Many & likely most military veterans & politicians know little about foreign affairs.
People's opinion should be heeded or dismissed to the extent their opinions possess coherent explanatory power about various situations or not.
What an excellent example of an argument from authority.
@@zarbins That's why a president has many advisors. Hopefully they will lead him in the right direction. Having a civilian Commander is very important.
@@zarbins Those politicians' opinions on those matters should be downgraded relative to the opinions of politicians who have military experience.
Hi John and Glenn! I just want to let y'all know that I have enjoyed your dialogues for years. I particularly like to see how both of you challenge each other and seemingly learn from each other more than other reoccurring podcast guests/host combinations. Perhaps y'all have covered the amorphous concept of respect/disrespect and pettiness, but if not could you? Respectfully, an avid fan.
40:16 As many as is needed.
40:38 Yes.
Is it a sad commentary on state of the media that I get strangely emotional hearing these men talk intelligently and disagreeing respectfully while also acknowledging each others points. More of this please for a long time gentlemen.
Glenn, you're saying the world doesn't need a police force and we shouldn't go around meddling, but then you say what we should do is 'stand up a Palestinian state'? I'm sorry, but these two positions don't square. Why are you trying to police the way Israel is taking care of what it views as an existential threat at home? And not *at all* without reason. Let Israel take care of its security the way it sees fit, no? Or do you really want to be the moral police?
Oh you just mean 'stop giving aid to Israel?' Is our role going to be then that we moral test the whole world and withhold any aid 'til we find them blameless? Do you even think if we told Israel no more aid, they'd stop doing all of the 'apartheid' stuff anyway?
Ha, great point!
I wonder what the people crying "lawfare!" think should happen to a president they genuinely believe to be a criminal. Apparently, the idea is that we should (and now, in fact, do) have a two-tiered system of justice. If you are important enough you will never face justice.
Glenn is one of the most clear and coherent thinkers there are today, especially when combating the dogma of the modern Democrat/liberal ideology.
Agreed, except when he isn't, e.g. talking about Israel/Palestine. Positively baffling business...
Th for this Glenn
36:50 I’m inclined to agree with John McWhorter here if the facts prove that the segregation or separation of highways etc is a safety issue.
I’m a big fan of Dr Loury, but his view on Taiwan is remarkably short-sighted. If China breaks out of the island barrier it will gain an enormous accretion of power. The small nations of SE Asian will seek an accommodation with China, Japan and Australia will be forced to go nuclear, and in a decade the US will face an emboldened China in control of the entire Pacific, with naval bases from Fiji to the Indian ocean and with the capacity to project carrier task forces into the vital sea lanes of the world.
I usually side with Glenn, but this time I agree with John on Gaza. Glenn seems to discount how the threats and violence for months, years, decades that Palestinians have inflicted that has lead to their treatment today.
Besides it is the Palestinians side, that reject a two state solution, not the other way around
I would love to hear a discussion with Michael Pettis about his critiques of free trade.
It is true that consumers benefit from lower prices, higher quality, greater variety, and easier availability. A problem is the largest beneficiaries of free trade are those who don't face foreign competition. That's public servants, politicians, academics, doctors, lawyers, etc. The managerial and credentialed class. They maximise the benefits of free trade yet incur few costs. They are also the group who conceptualise the framework, negotiate and write trade treaties, and disseminate sense making about trade to the general public.
The push for free trade in the 19th and early 20th century did not originate in the US.
Working-class people do benefit from international commerce, but they face much higher risk than the aforementioned professions. Not only job loss but also destruction of what little wealth they have built such as when home prices collapse in dying one-industry towns. This cascades to unemployment costs and other costly knock-on effects such as crime, substance abuse, family turmoil. And, as we saw during the 'rona, the sudden loss of imports and disruption to supply channels cascaded severely. These all have a cost and it is not captured on the price tag. Let's not ignore the national security risks when the US doesn't manufacture necessary components and intermediate goods.
For much of its history the US was not a free-trade nation. The federal government was funded by import duties and the liquor tax. After the Civil War exports as percentage of GDP grew to about 10% of GDP until 1900, declined to 2% to GDP in 1928 because of the rapidly expanding domestic market, down to 1.9% in 1940, and increased during WWII and for about two decades after because the US was the only major economy undamaged by war. Then, the US decided to further liberalise its market to aid its allies without a quid pro quo in 1962 - JFK's Trade Expansion Act. The same year exports of goods and services was 4.809% of US GDP. It would be in 2006 that exports would surpass 10% of GDP, roughly a century after they had last been such a large part of the US economy..
In 1960, 98% of all footwear sold in the US was made in the US. Throughout the late '60s and '70s US footwear, garments, and textiles makers were hit hard. Then it was small appliances, tools, steel, etc. And it continued on up the value-added chain.
Unlike across the Atlantic, the US was and still is far more self sufficient. It imports coffee, vanilla, tin, tropical fruits, copper, etc but is food and energy secure. Not many countries can claim this - Brazil, Australia, and Russia are some of the others. Kuwait has abundant energy but is food and water insecure. China is insecure in both food and energy as well as many mineral resources needed for manufacturing. So too is much of Europe.
Presently, exports of goods and services are 32.17% of UK's GDP, 34.01% of France's, 50.34% of Germany's GDP, and 84.96% of the Netherlands'. The EU's most valuable export is vehicles and machinery. In contrast, exports are 11.77% of US GDP; its largest export by value is petroleum and its products as well as gas, so there's demand for that with Russia losing market share. Vehicles and machinery can be built most anywhere. Energy is not found most anywhere.
Can industry return to America? US electricity costs per kWh are less than half than Germany, UK, Italy, etc. It is very competitive in energy costs as well as gas as a feedstock for petrochemicals. And the US is not facing demographic collapse unlike almost all of Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea. Labour cost is but one aspect of the cost of production, and Germany is able to have a large industrial sector despite its high labour cost - manufacturing is 19% of Germany's GDP whereas it is 10.3% of America's. It's undue and burdensome regulation that increases the cost of production in the US. The US has Europe and China over a barrel because both rely on the US market to fund their prosperity. America needs to deal with others on a transactional basis. Exit mega multilateral agreements such as the WTO and enter into bilateral and trilateral trade agreements. China demands all others locate manufacturing in China to gain access to its domestic market, and its market has proved to be fool's gold for many foreign businesses. The US may play that hand as well. The precedent has been established and accepted. And unlike China, America's market is lucrative for its trade partners.
'[I]n general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favour of free trade.' Karl Marx in his 1848 speech 'On the Question of Free Trade'.
Can someone explain this to me like I am a 24 year old Brown student...
How would it be considered apartheid considering both groups have their own distinct areas? Why does Israel have to treat non citizen of Israel as well as they treat their own citizens? There are currently roughly 1.7 million Muslims that are full citizens of Israel. For Israel to actually be considered an apartheid state wouldn't they have to treat their Muslims like 2nd class citizens?
Seems like many think what happened Oct 7th was mainly because of the Israeli occupation of Gaza. Then some think it's a simple as these people are monsters. I think it's mainly because of religion
WOW, something for all sides. However, transparency is beneficial at the end of the day.
I disagree with Glen on the Israel front. I strongly disagree with John on the lawfare issue against Trump. However, being that neither of the two believe in God, I'm truly not surprised at their answers, especially John.
What's truly amazing about opinions; everyone has them regardless if they are based on truth... unfortunately most people believe their opinions are based on truth!
I'm really shocked by Glenn's argument on the Palestinian issue. I have never heard Glenn make such ridiculous arguments and nearly everything he said about the issue is wrong ... please Glenn do more research and don't rely on the Hamas propaganda (keeping in mind that every photo and every piece of information coming out of Gaza is vetted by Hamas).
It's his blatant hypocrisy that is so disappointing....and obvious
I recommend you leave the Zionists bubble.
Glenn is right
You are wrong
It seems he will never listen. Most of his audience have been saying this for a year. He’s still acting like a child on this issue.
@@joshfranklin9941 On the other hand, I get the sense from JW that he thinks Glenn remains persuadable. He (JW) is no longer as gobsmacker'd and flummoxed in his reactions to Glenn's take on "The Message" as he was a month ago; he remains insistent and refuses to shy away, but he has assumed a more patient approach. Part of the reason this pairing works so well is that each is able to penetrate the stubborn intellectual fronts of the other.
my answer to glenn's analogy: I would rather die fighting
I agree with Glenn on a great many topics, far more than I find myself agreeing with John about; However, he is just objectively wrong about the apartheid debate pertaining to the West Bank versus South Africa. Nuance matters, and he knows that, but he doesn’t seem to be, reflecting that in the discussion.
You have this one wrong
Glenn is right
Israel IS an Apartied state
Israel is engaged in a Genocide in Gaza.
John reminds me a little bit of Jonah in the bible-in the way the prophet avoided and expected Nineveh to fail after being told the truth.
So John is all for the ends justifying the means, even when it comes to lawfare and, maybe even assasinations, so long as it's for the side he is on. So NY Times of him.
I wonder how John reckons with the 20 million less votes in 2024 than 2020.
There weren't 20 millions less votes - more like 3.5 million. Harris has 74.9 million and Trump had 77.2 million. In 2020, Trump had 74.2 million so similar though slightly less than Harris's number and Biden had 81.2 so the real difference seems to be the difference between Trump's votes and Biden's. Possible this difference could be explained by mail in voting though who knows? It should not be out of scope to question election results, especially when the election didn't have the same rules as a normal election. There may be irregularities in this election or the previous one or even the one before that which people should be able to be question without being shamed for merely posing questions.
I'm guessing
that John would reckon that 20million less people voted in 2024 than 2020.
What do you reckon?
@@transom2 Why? I find it suspicious. Considering the circumstances around 2020 even more so.
I work for the election commission in the Midwest. In 2020 our rules for mail in ballots were very lax. You can look this up if you wish. In 2024, way stricter. I think this partially answers the vote shortfall. And my hunch is like 2016, the enthusiasm for KH was lower than stated in the MSM
Dear Professor McWhorter, On the Gaza issue, I’ve mentioned before that from what I observed when I was there, I feel there is a strong case for calling it an apartheid state. Here is why. I wrote months ago that I didn’t believe Netanyahu’s excuse for essentially carpet bombing civilian apartments. At the time, his excuse was that Hamas was hiding among the civilians. As I expressed earlier, I read about all the extraordinary Israeli scientific and technological breakthroughs, and I can’t believe that with all the brilliant minds they have at their disposal, they can’t be more selective and attack high-value targets. I think it’s fair to assume most grade school children and their Moms are probably not Hamas terrorists. The kill ratio was 30 to 1. It is also hard to believe they were so inept; they kept bombing the cities they told the Palestinians to evacuate TO. They also bombed hospitals and prevented international relief agencies from delivering food, water and medicine to people on the brink of starving. I just picture these Israeli soldiers running around like a bunch of inept Keystone Cops from Netanyahu’s description of the operations. Based on the most recent activity in Gaza, destroying and clearing buildings, they’re not even pretending they don’t intend for Jewish Israelis to take over Gaza. The following is an excellent article by Thomas Friedman. I read it twice; it has some very pertinent information. www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/opinion/trump-israel-iran.html
Glenn, the West Bank is not Israel. So they have different laws.
Not for Israelis. Thats the whole point and why it's labelled apartheid.
@ you are not making any sense
I usually align more with Glenn's take on things as opposed to John's. The reason for this is that I feel Glenn relies more on logic and reason, rather than emotion(s). That said, with respect to the Israel/Palestine issue, it seems to me to be the exact opposite. Thus, I have become more and more disappointed with Glenn's take on that particular issue.
John said "it's an accident"😂
In all fairness, the FBI operatives in the crowd on J6 should have also stood down...
And stopped breaking windows and assaulting police
I can listen to John talk about languages forever. Fascinating stuff!!!
But him talking about Trump, not that much 😅
He should start a long form podcast on languages.
I would subscribe in a heartbeat
I enjoy GoodFellows on the Hoover Institue's YT channel for foreign policy discussions but there are many other from the Oxford Union to John Anderson (Australian) and Alliance Defending Freedom.
TDS, thy name is John McWhorter.
Hard to listen to the closed off world view John lives in.
Coates is charlatan. Please you are so much better than that.
Coates is right about Israel 's brutal treatment of Palestinians
Did Coates ever account for the fact that Palestinians have never cared more about having a state than ending the state of Israel.
41 Glenn made the most important point that all of US citizens wants the resource to be used in our country rather fund wars
John’s book language interrupted sounds interesting. I went on Amazon to possibly purchase a copy. But it’s $120 bucks!! Wtf Biden?!
Is Glenn still in pain he seems aggressive towards certain things that trigger him.
He didn’t do the same thing in 2024? On election night he was tweeting doubts about Pennsylvania’s vote counting until the election swung in his favor. He already did it. It’s not an assumption or a prediction
John Lewis did contribute during rhe civil rights movement but almost at the time of his death the Rev. CT Vivian passed and there was barely a mention. Rev. Vivian was much more of consequence than Lewis ever was. You can place Rev Vivian in the same sentence as King and Abernathy.
Glen is very ignorant of foreign policy and history. In all the years that I've listened to people talk about foreign policy. I've never heard anybody come up with any intelligent policy in regards to other countries when they bring up this world policeman b******* Endless wars is another catch phrase that distracts from actual rational risk cost-benefit analysis of a given situation. Whenever someone says endless wars or world policeman, there will never be any rational thought that comes after it. I haven't heard anybody knowledgeable say that Vladimir Putin is going to start a nuclear exchange with the United States if we give arms to Ukraine. Moreover, the military experts have been uniform and saying that the use of tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine by the Russians would be very ineffective militarily, but at the same time Putin would lose his support from key allies, India, China and a lot of the third world, which is.broadly unsupportive of Ukraine. Because of this actually i wish Putin would miscalculate and use tactical nuclear weapons because I don't think his regime would survive doing that.
Tell me more
about people who don't have anything intelligent to offer on foreign policy.
G-lenn.🤟🏻
Words matter. I agree with John that the handy use of powerful words from historical events is not helpful in understanding similar but distinct situations. I get turned off when people throw such words around and feel they are not constructively engaged. Labels like fascist, communist, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, are not meant to be accurately descriptive but more emotive as Glen himself explains later. Improperly describing and understanding a problem as complex as that in Israel with emotive words is normal and expected of course, but they also communicate a held moral positions that inhibits ones ability to reach another person who may also be holding onto emotive labels and ideas. Arguing from an emotional base is like arguing about religion. It just seems ineffective at helping one another understand new points of view and gain new understandings and possible shape a more accurate view.
Why? (37:50) Why, John? There is always a "why" in the eyes of the oppressor, but it is never a real justification, unless you think it's ever alright to subjugate another people.
28:58 I agree that the left-wing people I pay attention to are less outwardly upset than they were 8 years ago, but that seems to overwhelmingly be because they're not surprised this time. People were more expressly shocked and upset in 2016, but I've seen a lot more accounts of people cutting ties with Trump-supporting friends and family members this time around. They're calmer because they're resigning themselves to the national divorce.
51:02 It's a bad idea and I don't see any reason to think it would even work. The way she describes the Democrats is identical to how the left describes the Republicans. They believe that the Republicans live on the low road and never compromise or shy away from dirty tactics. No lessons would be learned because both sides think they're on the defensive, and any "lawfare" pursued against the left would be perceived as a hypocritical unprompted attack.
Did you see 2000 mules by DeSousa?
Clearly he didn’t. Or he wouldn’t have said what he said
Pure garbage
"I liked the f***ing book, I liked it!" 🤣🤣🤣Also, I love how McWhorter is still salty about Coates after all these years
Glenn, you seem angry. Hope you are doing well.
thx*
I don’t think the last question was the republicans getting in the pig slop and returning political persecution … I think she was saying they should be held accountable ..
I'd pay for a lot of things but being disabled and on a fixed income it's not possible.
Glenn is being super defensive about Trump and that's weird considering his previous stance. I bet that's led by his hatred for the Dems.
I feel the same about Trump and Jan 6. I voted for him still. I realized that I would rather have someone who made an epic boneheaded move on Jan 6 than a whole administration that is capable of anything. The lesser of two evils.
Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. You made the right choice.
Anything?
Anything like what?
Biden & his administration are predictable Establishment.
@@peterz22thomas5 I was talking about claiming fraud, never having the evidence and his lawyers pleading guilty in the RICO case and admitting they had no evidence. Those misleading lies got our patriots jailed and one patriot killed. I am sure the Democrats would still be worse than Trump. I wanted to give DeSantis the nod for that.
🎩⬆️ John
I agree with McWhorter a lot more than Glenn.
Glenn has TDS, the notion that American government shouldn't have a mandate to maintain American hegemony when it confers massive economic and geo-strategical advantages is absurd to me.
The fact he mentions Taiwan so casually as something to not be meddled in shows he has no clue about current tech and its major force behind the worlds economy and digital revolution.
Or that he thinks "paying NATO" in pure cash(which are the numbers trump always trumpets) is actually a valid argument ignoring all of the other ways nations contribute to NATO is childlike.
I can see why Trump is convincing when a big part of Americans are so isolated and uninterested in the worlds affairs or how things run outside of their borders or how it impacts their life.
As somebody born in the EU i see trump for what he is, a populist demagogue peddling slogans and lying true his teeth.
And just so nobody mistakes me for being TDS, i think he's rational in doing so since it provides him what he wants, similar to how a child crying for something is rational if it ends up with with the child getting its way.
Just listen to the latest "meet the press" interview and get a bingo card ready filled with his slogans. Then proceed to give points when he doesn't answer a question and instead goes into a random slogan yap.(he answered one question somewhat directly in that entire interview with zero to no pushback, which ironically i guess his apathic supporters will find based)
I'm not at the Israel-Palestine part yet but considering the displayed ignorance of global affairs by Glenn i'm not expecting much to chew on, probably some populist talking points with a sauce of "facts be damned" which both the left and right seem to unite in currently under Trump as evident by the gleeful hate online at the recent UH Ceo debacle applauding what happened from both camps united under the banner of "civility is for losers".
I think John may be referring to grammar, syntax and pronunciation when he talks about English as relatively simple compared to eg Navajo.
English nevertheless has one of the largest vocabularies of all languages.
The trans issue is NOT SMALL when it dictates what we teach all of our children
Yo John, ...... Trumps your daddy 🤣
Conservatives are more open minded. Glenn is more open minded
And yet he’s unable to engage with *any* of the history of Israel/Palestine.
58:10 Yes, but …
Wow that sweater.
Glenn is usually bright and insightful-- but when it comes to his downplaying of Palestinian rejectionism and terrorism, highly disappointing. And since when does Israel get a free pass on criticism?.
For every penny US spends on defense related to Taiwan, the average consumer receives benefits of over thirty trillion USD. It's all about marginal benefit per dollar.
38:10 - the "answers" were not "utterly unjustifiable" to the people who supported the Apartheid state at the time. It's extremely disingenuous of John to add the "from this distance". That's a false comparison. The way some people support the oppressive policies of certain states acting right now is the way those people supported oppression then.
He didn't have his day in court. Courts said he had no standing so they wouldn't even hear the cases.
To John: Regarding lawfare and Trump, if I can be a bit cliche about it, integrity is not about doing the right thing when it’s easy. It’s about doing the right thing when it’s hard. Using law as a weapon damages the credibility of the legal system in the same way that attacking the credibility of elections does, and therefore political lawfare is not doing the right thing. And yeah, I know the response, it starts with “but Trump”, which is a very tempting and convenient way to get around doing the right thing. But in reality it’s the same argument, AND OUTCOME, as a kid in the back seat saying “well she hit me first”. Or you’re maybe validating Machiavelli’ism. So no, I’m sorry, grow up dem’s. You’re either adults or you’re not. And if you’re not, then you’re no better than your opponent, you don’t get to claim the high ground, and you don’t get to claim to have integrity.
John need a little humility and realize you seeing this whole Trump thing wrong because you can’t accept you are wrong
John is right about trump.
Glenn is right about the many things wrong about the Dems & the Left.
Glenn is wrong about trump.
trump is NOT the right answer for anything.
Franklin Pierce legitimately developed a serious drinking problem after the death of a child during his presidential campaign. His wife blamed the tragedy on the political stresses, so Pierce had a personal breakdown. TLDR, this seems a criticism more than a slur.
US should start manufacturing our own necessities like chips and computers and phones to stop worrying about China and Taiwan. Just imagine the total dominance of China in that.
Imagine the government approving an act that provides money and incentives for research and domestic production of semiconductor chips.
Glenn, Coates, and particularly the entire Palestinian side needs to stop lying about censorship. People like Finklestein said oct 7th warmed his heart, the tweet was never removed for hate speech. People say gross things and then claim the reactions have to do with censorship.
I can't take John's acute TDS anymore. It's too much.