GRAND FINALS: Gumiho vs. Solar (GSL Code S 2023)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- The Grand Finals of the final season of GSL Code S in 2023, Gumiho vs. Solar. Highly recommend watching game 4.
Match: Gumiho vs. Solar
Tournament: GSL Code S - 2023
VODs: bj.afreecatv.com/gslenglish
0:00 Game 1
8:17 Game 2
14:55 Game 3
19:17 Game 4
33:23 Game 5
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Highly recommend watching Game 4 (19:17) with Gumiho going for 20+ siege tanks.
Cloud9 recently picked up Gumiho! Awesome to see big organisations enter Starcraft 2.
And of course, check out the full tournament on AfreecaTV: bj.afreecatv.com/gslenglish
Wait what, Cloud9 entering Starcraft? I'm shocked. Does that mean they see potential for Starcraft to grow again?
@@theSWBFman They most definitely do!
While there might not be as many premier StarCraft 2 tournaments anymore, there’s still a sizeable casual audience.
Just look at viewership across Lowko, Harstem, Uthermal and this channel. Combined gaining a few million views every week.
Blizzard failed to capitalise on this casual interest, perhaps they catered too much towards the hardcore audience.
I do hold hope that Microsoft will take a more active role in managing StarCraft.
Thank you!
Widow Mines / Hellbats vs so much Zerg-/Bainlings ?
@@SC2HL Oh wow I didn't realize Microsoft closed the deal. I was excited about the news before but heard it got blocked.
That's great news! I hope they can get more people watching tournaments again. It's been sad seeing the viewership drop slowly for GSL. When they first moved from Twitch to TH-cam, they were still getting near 10k viewers, but now it's dropped to about 2-3k, with the small window, and about 1.5k on Afreeca.
Solar really looked like an Insane difficulty campaign zerg, that was crazy. No idea how he controlled everything so well. That was just as clean if not cleaner than any Serral game I've seen
Nah, there is still a gap between Solar and Serral especially in ZvT. Solar can play a pretty perfect macro game and take very good frontal fight, but he doesnt scout like Serral does nor he can split and defend against multi prong attack well enough.
Zerg is broken and not fun to watch
Lol, serral would've had runbys ready all the time, would've had overseers fly over gumi's bases reguarly and would not have lost as many vipers just flying randomly over the army.
Serral would probably not have nydused, so one gotta grant solar that, but there's still miles between a serral game and this series by solar.
Solar a-moved 2 armies at a time over and over again, while enjoying the supply, resource, and cost efficiency advantage of split-mapping as zerg.
@@mrbyorselfzerg can just build the cheapest, fastest and the most cost efficient unit all game long, morph into banes, A-move it to the other side of the map and win. Other races have to be played with 6 hands just to split units and try to avoid being wiped out completely by a 10x cheaper army. Complete BS
Im glad with the frequent uploads and im glad that bly is showing in tournaments recently beacause he is always doing crazy stuff, I hope to see his games here too :D
I’m going to edit a Bly video today and upload on Sunday. Stay tuned!
Thx for posting this game.
Prime example of why SC is the ultimate rts.
Gumi played super solid, Solar being creative just managed to surprise him a couple of times and that was enough.
GG both, can't wait to see more.
unfortunate that its in such a decline
The flesh is weak
Iron stands eternal
You must leave behind your bio and play mech immediately
18:13 the frame the widow mine detonates. Solar's losses jump from 3075 to 4000. 26 kills on that widow mine.
Props the the camera for spotting that one, subtle detail in a big fight like that.
Awesome I love seeing these pictures of mass siege tanks and mass widow mines with no protoss in the finals again
we need Siege Tanks buff. It's not just Serral's fault now, Zerg is too op.
Yeah, tanks are becoming dead weight these days because most of the map are open and has lots of access. I dont even mind if they nerf Widow Mines to get Tanks better stats.
O dano em área dos tanques acerta as próprias unidades terranas e pode ser facilmente evitada se espalhar os lings. O zergs, em jogos profissionais, só perdem quando cometem muitos erros e ficam sem minerais.
Zerg is a 1,5 unit race. Zerglings and banelings win every single game, and u can never split your units that well to deny them being cost effective. (Unless u got 6 hands)
Gumiho slack-jawed the entire match.
Unless you're Maru, it's really disadvantageous to try split-mapping with Zerg in a TvZ.
As you can see, the result is Zerg gets ahead on supply, resources, and cost efficiency the entire time if you give them that much breathing room and all they need to do is a-move two armies into your bases over and over. It's just a slow death and tactically silly to turtle against them.
this series seemed like a best of 32 match lol. GG.
the mouthbreathing was strong, but not enough
Gumiho kept allowing Solar to get more minerals.
Was really hoping for T to take the W in G5 just so we could see a full series.
Funny that Solar claimed a GSL on a map called Solaris
Game 1 kinda set the stage for the whole series, Gumi coulda taken that high ground 5th and turtled up
You cant turtle up anymore on the pro scene. You still lose more while being able to replenish slower.
@@grinkyleYou can still do as Terran, but Gumiho obviously doesn't have the proper setup to enter the late-game against a Zerg caliber of Solar (who is more experienced in the late-game situation). If it was Maru, Cure, or Oliveira, those are far more experienced in the turtle terran to fight against Zerg.
Gumiho slowly becoming my new favorite Terran player
Nice video !
Widow mines is always the go to against lings/bane it seems.
Forces zerg to respect terran's forces. Tanks are good, but they don't provide the instant deletion threat of a single widow mine.
If you've got marine support for a couple tanks, they /can/ melt banes, but gumiho's tanks never seemed to be supported properly this entire series. He was playing tanks like they were long ranged mines lol.
You need to mix both, mines to zone out the lingbane, and Tank to keep taking the long range shot. I am suprised Gumiho making 3 tanks at a time instead of 2 tanks and 2 Mines as that would work much more effectively imo.
@tigera6 yeah, mines can do the job of keeping things off the tanks. Tanks desperately really need support to do their job right. If you keep a tank safe, they'll lay the beatdown on everything.
I could see a 2 tank 1 mine production cycle for the factory, then devote the extra resource by cutting a tank to marine/medivac production. One less tank for a mine is what 100/125 extra in bank? That's basically another medivac or a couple more marines.
I feel like tanks are actually better vs. heavy bane styles but worse vs. many lings. Also you need to prevent them getting surrounded, but then tanks can create unattackable positions for zerg because of their range and attack cooldown.
@asdfasdf-mn8iu yeah, if you can protect tanks, they can be horrifyingly strong.
Angering series. Obligatory "zerg OP" terran whine. But it's true that Gumiho has thrown away completely his unique play style, and instead played the milquetoast round-16 terran style that obediently dies to the zerg, once zerg spreads to its half of the map.
Yeah it’s strange gumiho basically played standard tvz when he isn’t the best at it against solar who has on many occasions gone toe to toe with Maru himself in the lategame. Even in that famous game where he got nuked by Maru he was winning the game before he lost everything to the nuke.
Building banelings takes skill.
May i ask what can withstand a zerg in the long game? Before starcraft 1 terran and protoss are superior in the long game. In starcraft 2 when banelings infestor are made they become superior in the long games they should buff the thor and the battlecruiser with marine can jump like rocketers for 3 sec while raining bullets down enemy. As for protoss zealot dark templar and that power overwhelming character should be buff.
Make it equal to strength in early mid and long game. So that players could rely more on strategy
Are you high? thors and BC are already among the best and most braindead units in the game. They for sure need no buffs.
It hurts so much watching this as a terran player
Hurts more watching it as a zerg. Having to be constantly +50% income and 2x APM just to have a chance to scrape a victory against basic infantry spam that doesn't even cost gas.
You mean how solar just a moved over and over while gumiho has to split dozens of times each fight?
@@Xgourouneitorbro his APM was from him browsing alibaba, zergs legit play on 2 apm, build banes, a move them to the other side, repeat until u win.
Solar was doing 2300+ APM wow how is that possible 😮
Bro was tryna stop ling bane hydra with just ghosts lmao.game 2 is interesting
why does gumiho open his mouth like that 😆
Any translators for the line after the GG in final game?
'toss op'
Ogre Zerg Gamers... what an insane run Solar had. He obliterated Dark so fast.
I have to say that the RO8 games were much better than the semis and finals. Haha! Sometimes it be like that I guess.
"Pretty Clit"... umm.. "pretty quick" :)
the last game solar gave guminho what it feels like on game 4
Nice games! Kinda one sided though. But still highly enjoyable to watch.
Why does GuMiho look like one of the Policetti brothers?
Everyone always underrates unsieged tanks; but not Gumiho
The guy with the higher pitched voice talks a bit too much and not letting the other guy get a word in. Just my opinion
Zerg been broken for 20 years. Blizzard loves the Z.
hydra op
lol reynor saying zerg is useless 😅??!😂
uhm, so where is maru? not in top 4? 8?
Maru lost in ro16, came last in his group (even got 2-0'd by Scarlett). This was not Maru's season.
Terran have to play a continuous retreating war while siegeing, borrowing mines, siege up liberators pick marines in medivac. Make sure structures placed correctly.
Zerg just need to place army on 2 or 3 different entry points and a move spam fungal or blinding cloud.
I play both races and by far zerg is too easy
Poor Terrans clicking once to place tanks, widow mines and liberators to automatically attack while the _easy_ Zerg has to manually control every single unit... so easy...
@@user-cp6xi9io4y you need click once siege up for every siege tank mines liberator. You can't have them group. While you do that. Stim statter step marines.
Lol yeah micro every zerg unit is physically impossible. Stop injecting things in your veins please.
@@user-cp6xi9io4y and have you counted how many PF with scv melted in seconds vs hatcheries in most matches in tvz. Zerg is way easier to defend than Terran, due zergs ease with units to defend. Most Terran attacks are small pokes to annoy and run away .
Sim, basta observar que lings e bannelings não perderam sua efetividade até o final do jogo porque são unidades com alta mobilidade e baixo custo que obrigam o bio dos terrans recuarem e deixarem os tanques expostos.
1000 APM and double income just to manage to barely survive wave upon wave of basic infantry spam. Ye, sure, zerg is so easy.
Terran: marines, mines, hellbats, tanks and medivacs.
Zerg: Ok, I am good with lings, bannelings and queens.
110 ZergArmy vs 90 TerraArmy
Over and over Bainlings kill stray Tanks ... How ist this Costa effektiv? 5 vs 4 Base.
Which game are you referring to? I’m not sure who you’re saying should have been cost effective but only the game gumiho won did solar really end up trading banelings with tanks, the other games was dominantly lings scooping up mass stray tanks with the obvious target fire from gumiho to shoot clumps of banes
@@Wantoch2000 i just saw Zerg over and over going 90 Drone macro and then bashing 110 supply of ling bain Hydra into Terra defence. When the ling bain was dead he went Home.
Now my question: Is this the current meta?
I come from Rainer Campain / WoL Meta: ling bain muta. Muta harras.
Later in Kerrigan Campain there was the Widdow Mine. So mutas where less seen.
And a month age i saw roach Hydra into fast T3 with broodlord infester ling
Alternativ question: Are mutas worse than hydras? Is T3 (ultra brood) now Bad?
@@weltsiebenhundert also my bad that was incredibly long
@@weltsiebenhundert Zerg has no composition anymore that will reliably beat a good T so they often resort to trying to weaken them so much in the mid game with mass ling bane hydra attacks so they cannot properly transition into lategame. That's why you see ling bane smashing into T defense.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu Wooooow thats a brutal meta for both.
On the other side thats what zerg do in the lore. Numbers over ever everthing (exept the queen)
Premium Casting gents. Gumiho with his mouth wide open all game, haha, can see the pressure.
why gumiho didnt build base defends, like welcoming the zerg come destroy me
this game felt a little empty without maru
wow Game 4 is at 19 mins 17 seconds so like most of this game is kinda bleh? wow Zerg still OP As shit as we all know?
banelings actually make the game unwatchable
just totally braindead unit
terran played bio the whole series, poor choice. could have mixed in more units like the zerg did.
So damn boring to watch zerg just steamroll everytime with banelings. No unique strategy, no variation, no creative plays needed. If this is the best entertainment that the 'highest level of play' can offer, no wonder SC2 scene is dying.
almost 1000 apm from Solar...
Holding "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" key down for a batch of zerglings counts as "APM"
@@mrbyorselfthank god..such a high apm seen on the players is discouraging as a player
@@sppf1999 I mean, the skill gap is still huge for us average players, but my APM is always higher when I play zerg lol
Blinding cloud makes this so boring. I mean, sure gumi needed Vikings in all the games but it's just so OP to cloud all defensive tanks and then pour in 3x the number of ground units that's are 2x faster than bio.
God, Zergs are so disgustingly OP is not even funny
1300 APM...wtf
Can you upload the full matches and not just highlights please?
Try to guess what SC2HL stands for
BALANCE TEAM: terran's loss (Maru - round of 16) and Gumiho shows that terran needs to be buffed. Please expect "balance" soon.
there is no balance team. only bich a s s toss and zerg pros influencing the leftover re tards at blizzard. and this is what you get: a dying game in a horrible state.
final solar....kajajajajaajaajaajaja
Oof the sound quality is awful
*GUMIGOD*
oh man a terran in a finals, will people be balance whining about terran being op? place your bets(the answer is yes)
how come this two noob in final ?
Are u trolling?
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Not everyone hs time to watch day comes out
second worst finals after maru vs rag lol
Really lame series unfortunately. Not hating on your video I appreciate the upload just not very exciting gameplay 🤷🏻♂️
Not the best series indeed, game 4 was fun to watch. People generally love watching finals though, it adds some excitement I feel.
@@SC2HL I love the finals videos and your channel in general! Your videos are what got me interested in competitive SC2 in the first place. I’ve gone back and watched most of them since. Thanks 🙏
Zero is trash all they have to build is Ling Bain and they can just quick flood over and over again
A fully buffed Zerg wins the finals against a fully nerfed terran. Here's my single appreciation hand clap for the "winner": *clap*
let me guess... TERRAN wins again. bleh
these kids have 500 apm and lightning fast reflexes.. but the strategies and tactics of peasants
Man bliz really made this game boring to play and boring to watch. Must be really fun having a perfect defense with tanks, pf, turrets in perfect spots to remove surface area on tanks, widow mines, and bio backup only to lose more resources to zerglings and baleings just running through the perfect choke. Its almost like no matter what, the terran has to do some elaborate, sneaky all in, that either has to Win, or do enough eco damage to "reset" the game. 3 games in a row Gumiho tries a straight up game, and is already 12-20 workers behind at 6.5 minutes. Its game over already. BORING.
When they added all the extra workers at the start, people said it made the game "better, faster, more engaging" What it really did was shoehorn Terran into being a cheese only race because at the professional level that was the only thing that worked. For 2 years you had Maru 3-5 raxing everygame because he knew it was disadvantageous to play a straight up game with terran units. They can't trade well, not cost effective, cant remake fast, requires a bunch of micro to make them actually competitive.
We are not years removed from maru domination, and everyone and blizzard has fixed the early game pushes/cheese from terran so now we get finals that look like this. This final looked like an open bracket DH game.
all I am hearing is mimimi terran cant just turtle up and win hahaha
@@cbuckington2933 Zerg sure can.
@@cbuckington2933 Its not even turtle. Not able to hold your 4th base while the Zerg is on 6, and the creep spread is already at your bottom ramp. Id rather watch a turtle game then what this is. Nothing in this series was anything good or smart or amazing. These 5 games could be replaced with GM ladder games and none of you would know the difference. This is suppose to be the 2 best players in the world, and all it was Gumiho getting out macro'd. Something that happens all day in Diamond league, not a GSL final.
For years people cried about terran rax all ins, but that was 100x better starcraft 2 to watch than this garbage. Oh wow the zerg is UP 20 workers and equal army with 7 queens at 7 minutes!!! How will these 4 hellions do damage..... they don't.... and the game is OVER!!! GG's! You can also tell how boring it is for Tasteless to cast this. Soulless would be the word I'd use, but I dont blame him. THe game state is soulless.
@@cbuckington2933 Broke the turtle with lings and balings. Didnt even need vipers, or ravergers, or anything. Brilliant design.
*Im going to stop you right there before you reply "he did have vipers"
Yea solor had vipers, after the 3rd attack, that already cleared 5+ tanks, and Gumiho was landing his natural's CC because his CC already got destroyed in the 2nd attack. AKA the game was already over.
@@grinkyle oh yesss :D give all the salt to me xD I just love how whiny terrans are
Zerg is broken and ruined starcraft
Oh look another finals without toss. ZzZzZZzZZZZzzZ
zerg massacre