Boeing Released What Happened To Starliner During Return Mission!
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After months of ongoing issues and multiple delays, Boeing made the decision to bring the Starliner back to Earth without the astronauts onboard-and they did just that. The spacecraft landed safely, and at first glance, everything appeared to have gone smoothly. Many people even congratulated Boeing, with some suggesting that they could have successfully returned the astronauts with Starliner. But we were wrong. Despite the seemingly flawless landing, it became clear there were serious problems during the return mission. Multiple thruster failures, navigation system glitches, and overheating occurred, casting doubt on whether the spacecraft is truly ready for crewed missions.
While the capsule managed to land successfully at White Sands, New Mexico, NASA’s decision not to carry astronauts aboard due to the risks turned out to be wise.
One of the main problems during Starliner's return was the overheating of its thrusters, which poses a significant risk, especially if astronauts were aboard. The overheating occurred because the design of the "doghouse"-a compartment that holds the thrusters-traps heat, acting like a thermal insulator. This caused higher-than-expected temperatures, which in turn led to thruster malfunctions. During the reentry, some of the thrusters failed, and while the spacecraft was able to compensate using backup thrusters, this wouldn't be ideal with humans onboard.
If astronauts were inside, the overheating could be life-threatening. Thrusters are critical for the deorbit burn, a maneuver that ensures the spacecraft reenters the atmosphere at the right angle. If the thrusters malfunction during this phase, the spacecraft could lose control, leading to a dangerous descent. Additionally, overheating could damage internal components or even raise temperatures inside the capsule, making the environment unsafe for the crew.
NASA engineers noted that during tests, some thrusters experienced temperatures so high that Teflon seals expanded, blocking propellant flow and reducing thrust power. Typically, these seals are designed to work under precise conditions, and once temperatures rise above safe levels-likely around 200 Celsius or higher-their performance becomes unpredictable. Even during the return mission, several thrusters underperformed due to this overheating issue, prompting NASA to focus on resolving this for future flights.
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If Boeing would put executives in the test launches, reliability would improve dramatically. 😅
If it were the executives who oversaw the recent airliner screw-ups, could be a win-win situation.
Now, THAT'S a great idea!!!
Ah, the Chinese solution. There are many things I wish we'd pick up from the Chinese and many I hope we don't, but that's definitely one of them...
Best solution I've heard so far. It might work.
Execs are irrelevant - they are just paid workers.
Seat the main investors in the prototypes - THAT will move safety.
The thruster overheating issue should had been caught years ago during the design phase.
It was. The engineers reporting design flaws were ignored by the profits first management.
RCS thrusters are not designed by Boeing. Dragon also had a ton of problems but they were ironed out over the cargo missions they did before crewed flights. With this being said Boeing will be moving away from this project. Sierra Space is about to launch Dreamchaser and they will be building a crewed version of the spacecraft. As they will be building the next space station after ISS is pushed into the ocean in 2030 this will push Boeing out of the crewed flight business. Boeing has many other space projects that they are doing well with, they also want to end the starliner project I would imagine, they having already spent 1.5 billion in overages. Space is costly and hard.
@@SouthernRotors Spot on, and couldn't agree more.
Yeah, that's like space flight design 101. And blaming it on subcontractors is just so over done. And Boeing is terrible about cutting corners to save dollars. They are also masters of milking government contracts. "Oh, we discovered this problem and that problem. We don't know how long but we can tell you the price is going up."
@@SouthernRotors They didn't build them, but they designed the dog house and put them in there. 100% their fault as a system integrator you are responsible for the system as a whole.
"Casting doubt the starliner is ready for crewed missions?" What doubt. The mission failed in so many facets it is an unequivocal failure for missions be they crewed or unmanned.
I think you misheard it, I am sure he said "...ready for screwed missions."🤓
astronuts needed
Boeing did not make the decision not to bring the astronauts back. NASA made that decision; Boeing was arguing for putting them in that capsule. NASA saved their lives. Boeings concern was how it would look to have SpaceX go save them.
Human lives mean nothing to them. Of course they talk the requisite talk but they're not interested in walking the expensive walk as long as that sweet, sweet taxpayer's nectar keeps flowing in courtesy of those two massive suckers they are manipulating, NASA and Congress. Look at the state of Congress and then who NASA is still hanging with, those fine purveyors of pre-assembled space junk - then do the math.
The ISL, Starklieners primary mission, is coming out of orbit in six years so why is the space-junk-to-be being worked on at all? Not only is it a redundant failure, it is a tax-sucking potentially lethal machine. It is only a matter of time.
"Boeing rhymes with going" but it doesn't rhyme with "coming back". 😂
@@mal2ksc The more distance between them and real humans the better.
Well, after losing 14 astronauts and 40% of the shuttle fleet to disasters that were well known and 100% avoidable, I'd say "it's about time"... We got really lucky they only lost 2 out of 5 shuttles-- several other flights came back that were VERY near misses-- sheer luck prevented several more disasters. Why it was PAST time to retire shuttle and replace it even by the time of Challenger which laid the shuttle program faults open for all to see... Thankfully the correct decision was made to retire shuttle after the Columbia disaster killed another 7 astronauts and proved the shuttle was a brittle, expensive, and still experimental system with inherent flaws that could not be fully or reliably corrected.
I'm glad NASA *FINALLY* got the message to put crew safety over operational concerns or "optics" ie appearances... it's about time.
Boeing is done!
I'm surprised the door didn't come off!
It did on the road to the launch site
OOF
@@HongyaMa No it did not. That was a window cover used during transportation only. Also it was not on the way to the launch site!!
The door was the only thing that worked.
@@M2M-matt Still fell off... Cry harder
NASA should fix the issue by dumping Boeing.
They won’t. Part of the military industrial complex.
It's obviously some kind of management problem. Boeing has gotten complacent and sloppy. This also applies to their aircraft business as well. They work harder to cover up their incompetence than they do to correct it.
The company needs a cultural overhaul. They're not going to be able to compete with a company like SpaceX that has an internal culture of striving for excellence.
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do some serious house cleaning. Boeing didn't turn into crap overnight.
I heard the next contender is a collaboration between GM, Kawasaki, Airbutz, and Lycoming. Or was it Briggs & Stratton, I forget....
Contract Russia to do the job.
@@peterebel7899 DOA.
Like the way Boing states ‘crew safety is their number one priority’ but decided to launch irrespective of the leaks already detected prior to the launch.
The decision to launch has NOTHING to do with Boeing! NASA and NASA only decides if they launch on a NASA mission.
Helium leaks happen, it's a normal thing to work out, SpaceX had a ton of them when they started with the transport dragon. The larger issue is why is the rcs system going supernova? That's the reason they left the crew behind.
If Boeing can not fathom the basic safety of an airliner, it should not be allowed to build space ship. Its that simple.
Why not? Let Boeing build as many as they want. Just don't use them before they are safe!
Starliner is a complete waste of time and money.
Now.
That's the entire point, it seems.
Taxpayers money 💵
Why are you a bean counter? As if you worked for the company. To to research you need to spend money. Duh
There's something criminal going on between NASA & Boeing. Any other match-up would have blown apart long ago.
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I'm sure everything can be fixed by giving Boeing execs bigger bonuses.
They should really cancel this project. It’s just NASA is money laundering Boeing and it just really navigates me that we already have a spacecraft. That is amazing dragon two capsule. It has way more capability than Starliner. I’m sorry, but it’s just I’m not saying that SpaceX is better. It’s just that dragon two has a Cargo pressurized cargo trunk while the star liner does not. I really think that chaser should become a crew and cargo space plane.
Dragon is a great platform but it's not more capable than Starliner. Starliner can perform a burn to increase the orbit of the ISS. IIS will be gone soon and Sierra Space will take over using Dreamchaser along with Dragon 3 it seems. Sierra Space will also build the new version of ISS and the initial habitats on the moon and mars.
Hopefully any fix is on Boeing dime and not the taxpayers
Hopefully they just cancel the entire mess all together!!!
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It's the same dime.
You think spaceX runs on musk's money?
@@johnelectric933 actually most of it does, due to investment in the star link system
Space x gets most of it money from that
For all crewed missions, Boeing needs to add additional safety measures by equipping the Starliner with JB Weld and duct tape.
That might apply to all space vehicles.
@@SouthernRotors Actually on one of the moon rovers, a fender got damaged. Nasa feared running without a fender would kick a lot of dust up and into the electronics. So, they devised a fender by using a lamented map and duct tape. I was shocked that they had taken duct tape with them to the moon!
@@cruzin6123 Duct tape is a great fix for many things :)
Since astronauts first smuggled duct tape aboard NASA has sent it on every mission.
Gosh with all the trips to the moon, you would think they would have this figured out.....lol
Risk/cost analysis was way different back then, it was a race not a commercial viability issue. Boing lost, plain and simple. And let's not forget about the brave people who lost their lives in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo/space shuttle program. In fact, in my opinion, the space shuttle program was extremely unsafe as there was no escape system.
It is weird that moon tripping NASA can't get a little capsule together.
@@schwags1969 The shuttle losses were purely and absolutely the result of political interference in the design. Period.
Not really, NASA destroyed all the blueprints of the Saturn 5
@@DesertStacker LOL
The starliner was supposed to be built for ISS trips. It’s 2024 and the ISS is toast in 2030 why do they even need this thing now??
Congressional constituents work at Boeing.
Cause we pay for it…..taxpayers get jammed again. They will give Boeing another Billion to fix it. Elon laughs all the way to the bank😅😅😅😅😅
For the next space station.
Extra money for military industrial complex.
To keep the money flowing. Taxpayers--> Government--> NASA--> Boeing--> Lobbyists--> Politicians.
Money makes the world go around.
The shear number of thrusters raises questions. Their reliability is another!
The reliability is probably the reason they had so many thrusters.
Thruster’s failed you say; Ah, just light the one next to it you’ll be fine!
They have a lot of redundancy, that is expected. The rcs system going super hot is not expected.
It looks like Boeing's management has wanted to go cheap from the get-go, instead of doing it right in the first place, THEN deciding where and how to cut production costs.
They didn't go cheap at all. The rcs system was built by another company. That being said you would think Boeing would have worked out the rcs heating issues which are likely due to not meeting specs in some way. The helium issues, well, this is normal fare for space vehicles. They can be figured out but Helium is the second lightest gas so it often requires some work. Heck, the Polaris Dawn SpaceX mission was postponed a week or so ago because of a helium leak lol
So, Boeng is now selling One way ticket and return on your own risk.
@@alee8479 🤣🤣🤣🤣
LMAO. “ We can definitely get you THERE but you need Elon to bring you back “.
No sweat, Elon owed me Money.@@percyastronautstatus.8780 😃
Boeing to NASA: Throw more money at us and we'll fix it...
My my how far Boeing has fallen. I'm not sure id feel comfortable on anything they've built recently. So sad to see.
I am not any type of expert
But i can say if they were in the capsule it could end bad
For one reason it commihg back empty means capsule was 2000 lbs lighter
So the whole reentry trajectory\control would be more complex
Let's hope they fix the issue
I think NASA should stop wasting your money.
@@schwags1969???
It doesn;t make it any more complex but it can change the trajectory
two people weigh 2000 lbs?
The suits and other equipments also other items to tsje back
Boeing owes taxpayers about $5B.
Junk
Boeing has paid all overages out of pocket, the next space station will be an American station. No need for SpaceX or Boeing as dreamchaser will be flying routinely by then.
now replace that starliner name with SpaceX for a test to see what the FAA would do with them if that was happened with them...
Yeah, like when spacex, on a whim, blasted a huge concrete launchpad dry, damaging the rocket and equipment on the ground. I am sure FAA withheld the Gov't handout to pay for that. (not)
Nasa is in bed with the FAA
No inquiry or long delay needed.
The FAA will now penalize space x further for flight 5 just to please nasa am i right , watch this space 🚀
@@johnelectric933It was a SpaceX facility and SpaceX Rocket with no damage to govt property. Also there were no humans on that test flight.
@@evthink A nature preserve and the ocean is at least under the protection of the Gov't. Pieces rained down on the closest city and all the crap was in the ocean.
This is NOT ElMu's money, it is all Gov't money. What he did was incredibly irresponsible. Spacexxx is standing on the shoulders of all of NASA's experience and NASA was never irresponsible enough just to "try" destructive stuff, especially while not making sure there was a safe environment for failure. ElMu is NOT an ENGINEER. He just repeats what his very talented employees tell him in a very convincing way. When he meddles we get a blown up launch pad and a damaged launch facility. (Or he loses $44B lof his investor's money proving he has no idea what he is doing running a company like twitter.)
Luckily ElMu is busy destroying xitter and trying to buy his way into Gov't. Can we please send him to mars?
@@evthink Good POINTS
Cancel the starliner program. And cancel boeing.
We need the FAA to stop harassing Space X
Boeing controls the FAA and NASA
This what happens when you get in bed with companies and pay them no matter what problems occur
Agree : )))
Harassing?
They are basically negligent, touching SpaceX as well as Boeing and all other private contractors with kids gloves over and over, and letting them waste billions in taxpayer money ad infinitum.
If this Boeing desaster - and SpaceX loosing its third craft by now - shows anything?
Its that the privatizing approach in Space exploration is a giant waste of taxpayer money in favour of billionaire techbros who keep overpromising and under-delivering. Blatantly.
0:02 No, 'NASA' made the decision to not allow the astronauts to return on Starliner.
Now that Boeing has got Binliner back, will the FAA be doing an investigation, stopping further launched until it's done?
Investigation? They’re too busy grounding SpaceX, to have the time for that.
If I was a astronaut I would not put a resume in at NASA, I would go to space X for a job.
NASA should get Airbutz to build one. The astronauts will find it more spacious, a smoother and quieter ride, and maybe even the seatback video screens for those in the cheap seats.
It's apparent that the next Starliner Mission will be set back, by about 2 years, at least and w/out Astronauts !
*If it's Boeing, I ain't going.*
Not ready for crewed missions, but definitely ready for crude missions.
Does call into question the ground testing process. While it is difficult to simulate real space conditions, it seems that simulation models are not accurate enough to rely on ground testing alone to verify the design.
Uhhh, didn’t they know how to build a capsule back in the late 60’s?
I can drive 20 minutes up the road to Nasa and see them. They are there for the copying.
Way to go Boeing! Thank God for SpaceX.
If Boeing had not had a gravity assist, it would not have returned to earth.
Elon = Crewed missions. Boeing = Crude missions
Failure of the Starliner is proof of the failure of the Boeing work ethic. My bro worked in the assembly plant in the 70s where workers used the tail section as a hotbox to smoke pot in during working hours. He and many others quit, after repeated complaints to management and the union did not correct the safety issues that resulted.
In an alternate reality incompetence is not rewarded and criminal activity is adjudicated!
If NASA caught the thruster overheating during testing, why wasn't the program stopped to redesign instead of paunching with a live crew? WTF?
Boeing has its problems but the capsule functioned as designed and returned within safe limits. Going to space is never without risk so it seems like this is being used to destroy Boeing. No matter how bad Boeing is, there’s foreign motivation to see them fail and deal a blow to an American defense contractor
The Astronauts told us in the first place that Starliner could not bring them back. They know their business, they are very professional people. Soooo, I would like to say the two astronauts would probably be delighted to stay long-term on the ISS.
Boeing should team up with Disney. Together, the dumpster could burn ever so brightly
NASA should require any new space stations to have SpaceX compatible docking ports, just in case.
And the suit interfaces for life support and comm should be universal. Whether it be with an adapter or straight connector, etc
Isn’t the same company Boeing that has shown to be untrustworthy with their actions with the major safety violations and the silencing of whistleblowing engineers? Who are they paying off to escape prosecution for that?
WHY in the world would NASA continue to support Boeing?!?!/. OH, yes - follow the money.
Boeing needs to learn from
SpaceX and let the engineers run the show, not the accountants.
Looks like NASA dodged a bullet. The added weight of the astronauts could have thrown out the trajectory enough to result in a reentry tragedy.
Seems to me the difference between Spacex and Boeing is their approach to engineering.
Ahhh…I miss the 60’s! 🚀
Boeing: Not your grandparents' aerospace company. 😢
Mars landing in 2026? I won't hold my breath.
No problem China already has.
@@richardscathouse hold my chopsticks.
Not on a Boeing product, anyway........
Not so far
Starliner was going to be part of the Artemis program. Anyway, NASA is complicit in having awarded 4.2bil in development costs for the Stsrliner. They have to save it or face severe brickbats for allowing such a disaster to continue until now.
No choice now but to see it through.
You'd think Boeing would be on top on issues like overheating during reentry? It is not exactly an unknown factor that should surprise anyone, regarding the design. A flat bottom? Who came up with that idea? An undergraduate from Sri Shakthi Institute of Engineering and Technology?
At this rate, NASA better has adapting the Orion capsule on an Atlas V rocket and call it a day ^^
These things have so many design teams systems and components, it's mind boggling how its all managed and co ordinated.
When you have the right people and a supportive management structure - YOU WILL SUCCEES!!
Bullshit
One thousand launches per year? Goodbye night sky, troposphere, and even the satellite era. Expect heavy debris flows from unexpected accidents, both by the U.S. and China, to name only two.
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SpaceX knew eventually a landing would fail. Now they know around 30 times is the maximum number of flights they can be used. It wasn't a failure!
I would not fly anything with Boeing listed as the Mfr.
And I wouldn't fly anything with Leon Musk listed as the Mfr.
At least the door didn't fly off mid flight
Coming from Boing, there was probably a lot that went on that they didn't release.
Boeing has shown that they don't have the skill to manage complex technology. They should seriously consider selling the work they've already done on the Starliner to some other company such as Northrup Grumman. Maybe they could hand over all their designs and engineering staff, along with any patents they may have for this. I'm betting it has less than 100 bugs still remaining. Any other company could easily fix the remaining issues and get this ship flying. This would cost a lot less than starting from scratch. Boeing could get money for the sale, and they would avoid future public humiliation. It would also preserve many jobs of people that did no wrong, other than agree to work for clueless managers.
They used to have that skill. Sadly a number of their engineers predicted that once the head offices were no longer in Seattle things would go downhill. It was once a company where engineers were in charge, now it's got money counters.
Just regarding Starship flight 3, I thought it was generally considered successful in that both the booster and ship splashed down softly. The burnup was loss of control fins surfaces during reentry, and the landing zone wasn't accurate because of that. Lots of things to fix, but just remember how many Dragon boosters RUD'ed before they got to where they are now.
So glad NASA Awarded more than 60% more money to Boeing to do the same job that SpaceX got.
Forget the Starboner.
the ford pinto of space
1:22 - This is special for me - I knew and worked for the guy who designed the insulation around the windows on the Apollo capsule... heat is not your friend...
Amazing. Would love knowing more about your experience at that time.
Boeing has found a way to inhabit space!! Just take them out, but don't.bring them back
I wouldn’t send convicted murderers on that ride.
Just imagine the fallout if the astronauts had perished in the return. Years behind schedule, vastly over budget. Cancel the contract.
Ya got to the point quickly with no bs. Thanks.
OK, we understand but you have two astronauts still in space get SpaceX to go up and get the astronauts and bring them back home. That’s your responsibility.
Sorry, NASA made the decision to bring them back.
“ Boing is committed to fix those issues “ thats after the executive management team is done counting their multi million dollar bonuses they still take every year !
GO Starship! GO ELON!
Boeing did not choose to bring it back unmanned. NASA did.
every two years elon says the line about how next transfer window there will be the uncrewed red dragon/its/starship test flight to mars
Starliner's PURPOSE is simple. What was BUILT is not. F45 row boat that sinks EVERY TIME.
Boeing has habitual issues with civilian aircraft!
What a colossal waste of TAXPAYER FUNDS. Rent the spacecraft you need from a private company, imho.
Do you mean Boeing is a state company? Financing for B and SX is from same source. The question no body ask is- who is greasing the slice of breath on both sides during this process and who is the main beneficiary of SX satellites. Why the hell we need to go to Mars instead stop ruin Earth in many ways with the same money.
Otherwise no doubt accomplish this kind of space task is a great achievement.
Interesting how the interior of Starliner looks primitive compared to that of Crew Dragon! I bet Butcher and Durgastami are excited!
Oh…I think the StarLiner is very good for future crude missions (pun intended).
Sadly, Boeing is no longer competitive in commercial aviation. They have no business trying to compete in aerospace.
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.
NASA already paid Boeing 2x as much $4Billion for Boeing vs $2Billion for SpaceX to do the same mission, I think a refund is in order !
What you get when bits of engine in every garden meets need another seven astronauts.
They knew of the issues when testing. And still decided to use it? Testing is where you find problems and "fix" them. Not find them and ignore them.
I like “MAY” improve or may fix etc.. yep you can count on Boeing .
What NASA said: We want you to make us a new crewed spacecraft for ISS missions.
What Boeing heard: We want you to make us a new crude spacecraft for ISS missions.
What Boeing sales typed in the engineering order: Build us a new crud spacecraft for ISS missions.
Hey, I’m totally saddened by what has happened to Boeing. It’s bad, it’s true. 😢 this should have been a known issue way before it was..
But spacex has blown up so many ships I don’t see how they’re any better. Their dragon capsule is good and falcon rockets but starship is a joke. Boeing should drop starliner and spacex should drop starship. And Boeing needs a top to bottom cleaning out of any Boeing employee who made decisions based on profit vs safety. They need to get back to the company that made the 747, the B52, the lunar rover and Saturn V first stage.
In Boeing's defense, at least Starliner's door didn't fall off.
So that's something, right?
SpaceX conducts crewed missions. Boeing conducts crude ones.
Great coverage
After generations of leading the Field Boeing has transmuted into a joke
The astronauts were lucky to have made it to ISS in the first place. I'd buy a lotto ticket if I were them when they make it back to earth on Space X's rocket.
Boeing has spent 7 or 8 years "developing" Artemis and Starliner neither have been very successful. NASA keeps giving Boeing large amounts of money for very little return. The only reason this continues must be because someone is getting paid off.
Its because Boeing puts jobs for these things and SLS in every congressional district.
There should not be another crewed mission until they have a flight where the thrusters work flawlessly. Artemis isn't going to get us back to the Moon before 2030.
This troubled craft was obsolete before the blueprints dried...and everyone knew it.
Boing didn't make the decision. NASA did :).
The only thruster issue on return was one thruster on the crew module which didn't work. This is completely different than the thrusters on the service module in the dog house(s) They will be able to examine the thruster on the crew module but the ones on the service module burned up when it was jettisoned. I wish this channel would get its facts straight. Just cobbling together random facts that were reported frequently on the internet. Probably AI generated.
I hope the Orion capsule does not have similar issues. It’s amazing what nasa has accomplished with less than 1% taxpayers money. SpaceX has the advantage with reuseable rockets