Yes, another great seminar on a lens. I am used to that and grateful for it. But what amazed me this time was to watch you work with your models. Just out on the street you are able to pull good sites/venues with good light and to coax the models to shine. Impressive. You always inspire.
thank you Matt- I had no idea my hood unscrewed to take a filter..... show and tell on our next call...... thank you my friend... always fun to see Toby in your videos- definitely a bad infuence!!
Sorry for the poor audio in this video, I used a podcast mic and it doesn't sounds great once processed** (I'll go back to old mic for the next video).
Matt, Prague, my favourite city of which I have visited so many times over the years. Great you got to Jan Pazdera and Foto Skoda, two shops I've been to so often and have bought a number of cameras from both. My Leica ii Mod D first batch including lens from 1932 was bought there, it has some great history including a connection to the 310 Czech squadron RAF Duxforth, a Czechoslovakian squadron who fought in the Battle of Britain.
Hey Matt✌ And another perfect video in high gloss,👌 Great pictures but we know that from you👍 At least two thumbs up from me👍👍👍True it looks damn very similar to the Summicton 35. Whether I would buy it, hmmm since I already have some 35s I wouldn't necessarily. Since you mentioned that it is similar to the Nokton Classic 1.4/35 in terms of the image but also sharper. Of course you can judge it if you have it in a comparison, as you have demonstrated. As far as the weaknesses and strengths of this lens are concerned, you have to try it out for yourself. For one or the other certainly interesting even if it is significantly cheaper than an original Leica lens.👌In any case, inspiring content and very much like more. Lg Anderl
Nice to see another visit to Prague and to places I frequent often too (Skoda, Pazdera, Leica Gallery). The lens however seems to be a bit more contrasty and less glowy then the 35 Summiluxes I tried when I was looking for the lens (ultimately deciding the unpredictable rendering isn't for me)... maybe yours Summilux is some good example (if the Funleader performs the same). I think the original Nokton 35 1.4 (the one without II suffix) was quite close to Summilux in rendering, but again, a bit more contrasty and sharper, with better flare performance... I'm almost thinking that possibly the Nokton 35 1.4 with micro-scratched front element might be the closest thing to the original :-)
Amazing trip to Pilzen and Prague! That little goggled summicron is still my favorite, even if it is almost to sharp for portraits hah, but on film, perfection... tbh that Artizlab lens seemed extremely glowy and soft to me, but only tried it a bit.. Nokton was an eye opener though, nice sharp and contrasty, that would be my choice for the 1.4 as 35mm is more of a walkaround and not an up close and personal see every detail on the face lens anyway :)
Cool lens Matt. And I'd be interested if I didn't already own the Voigtlander 35mm F1.4 Nokton Classic. I'm not sure if you ever reviewed the classic Leitz 50mm Summitar, but that is a fine lens for portrait and figure work.
LLL is working on a 35 f1.4 Summilux pre ASPH but has been delayed because the prototypes did not live up to expectations. Keep your eyes open for it when it hits the market. I'll certainly look forward to your opinion.
The prototypes were too sharp and contrasty, opposite of the Summilux? :-) Just kidding... I'm in the camp that believes that 35 Summilux was one of the worst lenses Leica made... the lens always was polarizing, some loved all of its optical deficiencies, some considered them just a poor optical design unpredictably ruining pictures, at least when used at or close to fully open...
I just got a mint Leica silver chrome Summilux-screw mount 50 mm v3 pre-ASPH lens. I’m testing it on a mint Leica iiig I just got and my M11 Monochrom.
Yes correct. LLL are working on the AA copy so slightly different and yes delayed but I’ll keep people updated with the Mrleica.com free newsletter. (I just received their 50 rigid to review).
Thank you for testing this exciting lens. I had a SUMMILUX pre-asph but sold it twelve years ago. My bad. (The link to the manufacturer needs to be updated)
I have an original 216 steel rim, the v2 (pre-a)spherical and the 8 element 'cron. So far, surprise, surprise, the steel rim is by far the best of the bunch. You kind of ducked the issue by comparing the Funleader with a v4 cron rather than the original v2 (cause you don't have one, presumably.) The V2 is nice but a bit too soft wide-open, though some people do love that effect. I like the kind of flat pastel rendering on my copy of the 8-element, but Patrick Colpron's description of it as a poor man's steel rim does strike me as about right. The double AA is undoubtedly the best of all but, apparently, those who have both that and the original steel rim, while admitting the aa is the best, use the steel rim much more.
Thanks and very interesting. I've used the remake steel rim and it's very very soft (though I love the size!). I've used the AA a few times at workshops but not enough to make a video yet. Yes it's much bigger so the Pre-A are nicer to carry. I own the 8E and the v2 Cron. The v4 comment was just because the Leica book said the optical are identical. I like the 8E too.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom A Canon 35mm f1.5 ltm just arrived so playing with that and just ordered the original hood from Poland. it stands up really well against the Leica fast 35s but, as you know, I am an enormous fan of the Canon 50mm f1.2 ltm, so that doesn't surprise me as much as it might others.
Was gonna preorder this one but I think I’ll pass. I like the form factor but the sample images look so bad in character. For the price, a voigtlander is a better lens
Damn : Again , airplanes , European trips , laughing single guys , and New Lenses ... I agree : Do not try to live like the Hot Shots on You Tube ... it is all a lovely chocolate bar , dripping with delight. We all want to be THAT person , but we are not. Be yourself , find your own reality , joy and path. Let the Elite be the Elite ; better to find your own Siren . I have given up chasing pretty girls and new KIT every week. There has to be MORE than this.
Really? Every Leica camera owner I know understands that Leica doesn’t make its own digital camera sensors. FWIW, SONY wasn’t the only manufacturer of Leica camera sensors. Have you compared the performance of Leica lenses on SONY and Leica digital cameras?
@@Trailsntacos With all due respect, how is the original comment partially true? Leica doesn’t claim to make its own sensors and it would be absurd to think they do. They are too small a company to create a silicon wafer foundry, etc. I don’t see how a Leica is really an undercover SONY. The two camera designs, menu systems, looks and feels are completely different. While I love using Leica cameras (I currently have 2 film and 5 digital Leicas), I also have and use other brand cameras too (1 Nikon SLR, 2 Nikon DSLRS, 1 Canon DSLR, 1 Hasselblad 500c, 1 Arca Swiss 4x5). I could also easily see buying newer non-Leica cameras that do things better than my Leicas. That said, I still prefer Leica camera’s simplicity.
I get the lower cost rebuild thing but no filter threads and 1m close focus is just keeping the features most people hate about the otherwise great summilux 🥲
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Yes, another great seminar on a lens. I am used to that and grateful for it. But what amazed me this time was to watch you work with your models. Just out on the street you are able to pull good sites/venues with good light and to coax the models to shine. Impressive. You always inspire.
Thanks Sandy! I guess it’s all I know now.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Not bloody likely. ;o)
I bought my CV Nokton Classic II 35mm F1.4 in that very same store in Prague. It’s an excellent place to shop.
Ah great choice! Yes awesome guys in there.
thank you Matt- I had no idea my hood unscrewed to take a filter..... show and tell on our next call...... thank you my friend... always fun to see Toby in your videos- definitely a bad infuence!!
Thanks John! Happy to help
Wow I'm impressed how good the model photos look out of cam. I like the low contrast pastel look. And with your editing it looks nice and crisp!
Thanks Tobi, Yes they turn out pretty nice either way preset added.
Sorry for the poor audio in this video, I used a podcast mic and it doesn't sounds great once processed** (I'll go back to old mic for the next video).
Clever cameo. I rather liked having Marlin Brando narrate one of your lovely videos. :-)
What a nice surprise to meet all those people , must have been brilliant
Yes we met the Czech Leica ambassador who came over to shake my hand too.
This lens look much better than I expected. I have owned the 35 steel rim reissued and returned it because the build quality was not so good.
Yikes. Yes the building is stellar for sure.
Matt, Prague, my favourite city of which I have visited so many times over the years. Great you got to Jan Pazdera and Foto Skoda, two shops I've been to so often and have bought a number of cameras from both. My Leica ii Mod D first batch including lens from 1932 was bought there, it has some great history including a connection to the 310 Czech squadron RAF Duxforth, a Czechoslovakian squadron who fought in the Battle of Britain.
Where in Prague is you fav hot spots and why do out like it
Thanks Jim and thanks for sharing! I bought my Contax II there last time.
is the LLL 35mm 8 element a slighty better overall choice for a character lens (i know the price is different)? thks vm ;)
I think yes. The 35/1,4 is so soft even at 2.0 that I always choose the 8 elements
The 8E is a high performance vintage lens so yes. (Unless you need 1 stop more of light)
Hey Matt✌
And another perfect video in high gloss,👌 Great pictures but we know that from you👍 At least two thumbs up from me👍👍👍True it looks damn very similar to the Summicton 35. Whether I would buy it, hmmm since I already have some 35s I wouldn't necessarily. Since you mentioned that it is similar to the Nokton Classic 1.4/35 in terms of the image but also sharper. Of course you can judge it if you have it in a comparison, as you have demonstrated. As far as the weaknesses and strengths of this lens are concerned, you have to try it out for yourself. For one or the other certainly interesting even if it is significantly cheaper than an original Leica lens.👌In any case, inspiring content and very much like more.
Lg Anderl
Thanks Odin! The Nokton is sharper and better corrected FYI vs Funleader.
Nice to see another visit to Prague and to places I frequent often too (Skoda, Pazdera, Leica Gallery). The lens however seems to be a bit more contrasty and less glowy then the 35 Summiluxes I tried when I was looking for the lens (ultimately deciding the unpredictable rendering isn't for me)... maybe yours Summilux is some good example (if the Funleader performs the same). I think the original Nokton 35 1.4 (the one without II suffix) was quite close to Summilux in rendering, but again, a bit more contrasty and sharper, with better flare performance... I'm almost thinking that possibly the Nokton 35 1.4 with micro-scratched front element might be the closest thing to the original :-)
Interesting! Thanks for sharing
Tell me what the name of the store in Prague was. Thank you.
Foto Skoda (and the other one is on the same road)
Amazing trip to Pilzen and Prague! That little goggled summicron is still my favorite, even if it is almost to sharp for portraits hah, but on film, perfection... tbh that Artizlab lens seemed extremely glowy and soft to me, but only tried it a bit.. Nokton was an eye opener though, nice sharp and contrasty, that would be my choice for the 1.4 as 35mm is more of a walkaround and not an up close and personal see every detail on the face lens anyway :)
Thanks Thomas, great hanging out with you and Tobi.
What is the strap you're using in this video, if you don't mind me asking? Thanks, in advance!
Glad you ask! I’ll mention in a video soon but see the last newsletter on mrleica.com for more info. (I had it custom made to match my watch)
For the price, it's pretty phenomenal. Did you happen to notice how performance was at infinity?
Agree! No issue at infinity
Cool lens Matt. And I'd be interested if I didn't already own the Voigtlander 35mm F1.4 Nokton Classic. I'm not sure if you ever reviewed the classic Leitz 50mm Summitar, but that is a fine lens for portrait and figure work.
Thanks! Yes see my video on the Summitar (if you can't find it see the lens review long list on MrLeica.com
Very nice review..... I will stick with my Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Nokton.....
Thanks Stuart!
TTArtisian still feels like a winner especially for the price.
Ah yes I forget that one. I had it in the past. Twice the size but can be good.
So how much is it? The link is no good. Thanks
Sorry for that Steve, I fixed link - bit.ly/3E6HFxU
LLL is working on a 35 f1.4 Summilux pre ASPH but has been delayed because the prototypes did not live up to expectations. Keep your eyes open for it when it hits the market. I'll certainly look forward to your opinion.
Great info!!
The prototypes were too sharp and contrasty, opposite of the Summilux? :-) Just kidding... I'm in the camp that believes that 35 Summilux was one of the worst lenses Leica made... the lens always was polarizing, some loved all of its optical deficiencies, some considered them just a poor optical design unpredictably ruining pictures, at least when used at or close to fully open...
Good to know…. I have the LLL 8 elements and like it very much …. But tempted by this lens
I just got a mint Leica silver chrome Summilux-screw mount 50 mm v3 pre-ASPH lens. I’m testing it on a mint Leica iiig I just got and my M11 Monochrom.
Yes correct. LLL are working on the AA copy so slightly different and yes delayed but I’ll keep people updated with the Mrleica.com free newsletter. (I just received their 50 rigid to review).
Wow, this lens is sooo much like the V2 Summilux Germany I have.....
Thanks for confirming, yes very similar.
What are the prices for Leica like there.I think the softness is def usable for people.
Hi Steve, sorry for the bad link. Here is a link to the price - bit.ly/3E6HFxU
Thank you for testing this exciting lens. I had a SUMMILUX pre-asph but sold it twelve years ago. My bad.
(The link to the manufacturer needs to be updated)
Thanks Hans, sorry for bad link, fixed. This is much cheaper! bit.ly/3E6HFxU
Finally a lens that doesn’t give me GAS. 😂
Haha great. I’ll try to do more in 2025
@0:06 Matt is playing with the camera while the model sits and huffs...waiting. :)
Well played!
Haha, no photos without the camera!
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Your purchase link is broken and takes you to the wrong site
Sorry Greg, fixed - bit.ly/3E6HFxU
Hello Matt
I own a late german Lux 35 v2
Sorry this replica doesn't have the characteristic glow and lacks microcontrast beyond the DOF
Ah thanks for sharing, interesting.
I would get the CV 35/1.2 II or III and call it a day for just a few hundred bucks more than the Funleader version....
Great lens but very different. I have the 1.2 II. Great for portraits but I'm not going to walk round with it all day. It's a lump!
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Thanks!
I’ll stick with my Nokton Classic ii
Yes if you have that already, great.
I have that too. It’s always on front of my M240. It’s a great lens regardless of the haters.
I have an original 216 steel rim, the v2 (pre-a)spherical and the 8 element 'cron. So far, surprise, surprise, the steel rim is by far the best of the bunch. You kind of ducked the issue by comparing the Funleader with a v4 cron rather than the original v2 (cause you don't have one, presumably.) The V2 is nice but a bit too soft wide-open, though some people do love that effect. I like the kind of flat pastel rendering on my copy of the 8-element, but Patrick Colpron's description of it as a poor man's steel rim does strike me as about right. The double AA is undoubtedly the best of all but, apparently, those who have both that and the original steel rim, while admitting the aa is the best, use the steel rim much more.
Thanks and very interesting. I've used the remake steel rim and it's very very soft (though I love the size!). I've used the AA a few times at workshops but not enough to make a video yet. Yes it's much bigger so the Pre-A are nicer to carry. I own the 8E and the v2 Cron. The v4 comment was just because the Leica book said the optical are identical. I like the 8E too.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom A Canon 35mm f1.5 ltm just arrived so playing with that and just ordered the original hood from Poland. it stands up really well against the Leica fast 35s but, as you know, I am an enormous fan of the Canon 50mm f1.2 ltm, so that doesn't surprise me as much as it might others.
Was gonna preorder this one but I think I’ll pass. I like the form factor but the sample images look so bad in character. For the price, a voigtlander is a better lens
Yes it’s based on the soft Pre-ASPH so the Nokton gives more usable results wide open.
Nice review
IMO that lens is a 🐶
Thanks Rob! (It's based on a very soft flawed lens so it will give the same results)
Damn : Again , airplanes , European trips , laughing single guys , and New Lenses ... I agree : Do not try to live like the Hot Shots on You Tube ... it is all a lovely chocolate bar , dripping with delight. We all want to be THAT person , but we are not. Be yourself , find your own reality , joy and path. Let the Elite be the Elite ; better to find your own Siren .
I have given up chasing pretty girls and new KIT every week. There has to be MORE than this.
Ha sorry, I just pick the flights that cost £15-£20 each way so it’s a similar cost to a day to London on the train.
Another leica knockoff. Another chinese copycat lens.
Yes, new brand to the market
Leica cameras are for people who don't know they're buying a Sony sensor
Really? Every Leica camera owner I know understands that Leica doesn’t make its own digital camera sensors. FWIW, SONY wasn’t the only manufacturer of Leica camera sensors.
Have you compared the performance of Leica lenses on SONY and Leica digital cameras?
Haha modern Leica yes, hence the colours are not as good as they used to be :) ..true story*
@@Trailsntacos With all due respect, how is the original comment partially true? Leica doesn’t claim to make its own sensors and it would be absurd to think they do. They are too small a company to create a silicon wafer foundry, etc.
I don’t see how a Leica is really an undercover SONY. The two camera designs, menu systems, looks and feels are completely different. While I love using Leica cameras (I currently have 2 film and 5 digital Leicas), I also have and use other brand cameras too (1 Nikon SLR, 2 Nikon DSLRS, 1 Canon DSLR, 1 Hasselblad 500c, 1 Arca Swiss 4x5). I could also easily see buying newer non-Leica cameras that do things better than my Leicas. That said, I still prefer Leica camera’s simplicity.
I’m glad Sony works for you. The cameras that make all the decisions for you and “photography” is actually mastering Lightroom.
Gatekeeper VoltLover is the expert level edgelord.
I get the lower cost rebuild thing but no filter threads and 1m close focus is just keeping the features most people hate about the otherwise great summilux 🥲
Yes I did mention that too them as feedback. Probably not the smartest design move.