@@csquared3243 I never said I was picking Goyo over smoke for rotates, just mentioning the fact that it exist and that it seems to be faster on average than smoke.
I personally really like Goyo. Maybe its the Vector but I like holding areas just outside site with him, canisters on windows to slow a push and place them in strategic choke points to force attackers another way. For me it's simple and straightforward, letting me focus on kills with Goyo. I like Smoke but I'm not good enough to utilize him the best he can anyways lol
Tachanka is less plant denial, and more suppressive fire. It kinda works the same in some ways, you don't want to plant when there is a big angry Russian shooting down every wall between you and him as soon as he heard the defuse going down, but he plays more of a mental game with the attackers than smoke or goyo do. No op can compare to how scary it is to hear tachanka fire a full drum of ammo into your team, then start unloading fire shells.
Make Tachanka's grenades explode on impact, increase the amount of fire produced, make it do more damage and have all grenades loaded into the launcher from the start so no reloading. Also decrease the swap time(maybe model some slings if you want) and you've made Tachanka more effective.
Goyo is more for time denial rather than plant denial. Smoke is for both plant and time denial. Tachanka is for edgy 14 year olds that chant the Soviet Union on the bus ride to school.
I feel like all they need to do to make Tachanka more effective is up the damage and radius of his fire, cause rn all people have to do is run through it and they barely take much damage
Loved the video, I think you didn’t take into consideration that goyos device can also work as vision denial for some drone holes, or how in the case or how because the vulcan can be deployed it can be used by his team even when he dies, but all in all good video.
True. Using them on drone holes to force attackers to waste utility is a big thing that I could have mentioned. I honestly don't think it would've affected his rating much
on some sites its extremly nice for ex. on consulate and chalet basement or even clubhouse garage drone hole since you force them to use the garage door or storage/lobby entry which will achieve nothing if your roamer is doing his job
This is true, but attackers can also run through his fire and survive. While taking little damage. So there are definitely advantages and disadvantages
Goyos proximity alarms are underrated, they provide helpful info on enemy whereabouts on opposing sites and help give an indication as to when to shoot your volcans.
Proximity alarms imo are underrated they’re so tiny and so loud with good placement it can get you a free kill it’s so good with oryx to pick someone off when roaming but the c4 is generally a better option it’s just too good
I think goyo should score higher in versatility since his gadget has MANY different uses, for example you can make a kapkan-goyo strategy where when a kapkan trap goes of it blows the vulcan together allowing kapkan to spread his traps more and goyo to get some easy kills. Smoke and tachanka MUST work as plan denials. But I agree with your conclusion smoke is the best by far
firstly, that kapkan goyo strategy is a waste of utility and will almost never work. second, smoke isnt just a plant denier. i have no clue where you're getting this from. he can deny area, slow down attackers, and use smokes aggressively to block vision and get close. just look at bank blue stairs hold (probably the most famous smoke spot).
You missed Tahchankas greatest asset is he can deny plant from cover and waste far more time just because attackers don't want to run through his fire even if it's range is smaller
You forgot to mention the Goyo proximity alarm trick, where you can place the alarm on the red spot of the Vulcan, meaning that if attackers want to get rid of the proxy they have to trigger the Vulcan. I also like his rush denial capabilities if you place the Vulcan on the barricade, creating a sort of a trap
ill be honest to me personally the lord has the best gun on defense his lmg just because it really has no recoil and its doesn't really have dmg drop off plus because of its power you can shoot through most things with out losing and really dmg now since on my team im an anchor i hold site most of the time his ability to hold the line with his mg so no one peeks and you wait for the flank or you 2 tap them makes him valuable plus that 70 rounds is just amazing
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Personally, my favorite is unironically Tachunky. While i do think smokes canister is good and see how it can be effective, the amount of shots i can fire iff from the shumikha makes it about worth it, i do think they need to do more damage though. As for his guns, I've never used the VSN on him because fuck that, but i do like his LMG for any long range encounters it can pull off as well as it's high damage and wall murder capabilities.
I think you scored Goyo way too low on versatility, as Goyo has one advantage that no other plant denial has: his gadget is useful in death. What if Smoke gets naded? What if Tachanka gets peaked? Their plant denial is gone and they were useless for the round other than making rotates. Goyo has guaranteed value to the team. He places his traps and now anyone anywhere can activate plant denial that is reliably more active than the other two. I’d argue that his versatility is damn near 9/10 because of the fact that his denial can be used by the WHOLE TEAM and even activated by enemies on accident with friendly traps or crossfire. Also you can place his traps on drone holes to deny wall on sites like consulate basement and chalet garage just to name a few.
the think the overall 123 is accurate but goyo is much higher, hes a close second to smoke if you have teammates that can talk cause his gadget is both better than smokes and can be used by any of your teammates, he does bring less rotate options but hes still a 6-7/10 in versatility
I think with the vsn getting a 2x scope that just barley edges out Goyo on this list, I don’t play goyo to much but I’m taking that 2x over the vector and it’s 1.5x, vector used to hit so hard and then idk if they nerfed it when I stop playing but I came back and that thing feels like a pillow gun
I know at least one room where goyo is best. If you can keep the walls closed on armory throne and have two canister on each door you effectively win that round at the 40 second mark. I play goyo there every time.
Where as this is a well structured video, I think these ops are in a way similar to how the hard breachers are in which yes they do their job different but apply stronger to different maps. If you're on Consolate Garage. Goyo is typically a go too since he can also deny the drone hole, can prevent rushing and more. Tachanka and shoot from over white van with constant pressure but smoke is more like to be exposed needing to throw his gadget in a more or less line. Or even how tachanka can put pressure on hookah balc from service door due to his projectiles insane range. Goyo can leave his gadgets for other anchors while he roams or but smoke being one of the best for things like Elbow hold on oregon. Each of the these ops thrive in different ways with strengths and weaknesses I don't feel were fully considered in this video. I do agree Smoke has a greater general versatility that comes mostly from having one of the best shotguns and the smg11.
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To point out that tachanka has to take out his launcher but not mention that smoke literally has to put his weapon away to throw a smoke grenade is crazy. Smoke with the W though 😂
Bro you say "the bearing 9 is a good choice because it's easy to control especially compared to the smg-11" and then right after say "the smg-11 is the best machine pistol, it's super easy to control" So... what is it?
Goyo 100% deserves more points. His load out is better than Smokes imo aside from the smg-11 it’s his only benefit. Goyo can block drone holes. Team can use after death. Fire can be a sight blocker. More time can be drawn out of goyo.
Tachanka shouldnt be really a plant denial, echo is a far more reasonable one for this category, hell even maestros more plant denial than tachanka, oh well, keep up the great work
i like tachanka the mose because ratatatatatatataatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatata
smoke, don't even need to watch the video 😂
Then why did you click?
@@syloshadow4685 because this dude is the best siege creator!
@@lukestiltner3422 solid reasoning
@@syloshadow4685 plus i wanted to see who came in 2nd
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Goyo can make rotates with the TCSG if you choose to use it and its one of the fastest rotate makers in the game if you can get used to it.
True I didn't think of that. If its the only thing you have it can definitely get the job done
TCSG over 1.5 vector is crazy
Homeboy they can all easily make rotates 😹😹 if u play goyo over smoke just for rotates ur crazy
@@csquared3243 I never said I was picking Goyo over smoke for rotates, just mentioning the fact that it exist and that it seems to be faster on average than smoke.
if you place 4 goyo canister in soft breach and destroy it you can made rotate
I personally really like Goyo. Maybe its the Vector but I like holding areas just outside site with him, canisters on windows to slow a push and place them in strategic choke points to force attackers another way. For me it's simple and straightforward, letting me focus on kills with Goyo. I like Smoke but I'm not good enough to utilize him the best he can anyways lol
Same I like goyo but struggle to control his weapon
Goyo is extremely fun. I like playing him more than smoke. But I just think objectively smoke is better
Goyo is strong on plane , narrow corridor and few attack point
Tachanka is less plant denial, and more suppressive fire. It kinda works the same in some ways, you don't want to plant when there is a big angry Russian shooting down every wall between you and him as soon as he heard the defuse going down, but he plays more of a mental game with the attackers than smoke or goyo do.
No op can compare to how scary it is to hear tachanka fire a full drum of ammo into your team, then start unloading fire shells.
Yeah there is something more scary his name is smoke
@@ZionTokonaweird way to spell Clash
@@taibasarovadil she's scary but in terms of doing everything she is a b tier operator
@@ZionTokona yeah she is not great, but still - sometimes I get jumpsacred when I see her
Make Tachanka's grenades explode on impact, increase the amount of fire produced, make it do more damage and have all grenades loaded into the launcher from the start so no reloading. Also decrease the swap time(maybe model some slings if you want) and you've made Tachanka more effective.
Goyo is more for time denial rather than plant denial. Smoke is for both plant and time denial. Tachanka is for edgy 14 year olds that chant the Soviet Union on the bus ride to school.
I wish he had the Dep LMG still. I know it was worse but it was more funny.
I feel like all they need to do to make Tachanka more effective is up the damage and radius of his fire, cause rn all people have to do is run through it and they barely take much damage
Loved the video, I think you didn’t take into consideration that goyos device can also work as vision denial for some drone holes, or how in the case or how because the vulcan can be deployed it can be used by his team even when he dies, but all in all good video.
True. Using them on drone holes to force attackers to waste utility is a big thing that I could have mentioned. I honestly don't think it would've affected his rating much
on some sites its extremly nice for ex. on consulate and chalet basement or even clubhouse garage drone hole since you force them to use the garage door or storage/lobby entry which will achieve nothing if your roamer is doing his job
Tachanka can deny plant from cover while goyo and smoke both have to peak
This is true, but attackers can also run through his fire and survive. While taking little damage. So there are definitely advantages and disadvantages
Smoke can deny plant to from range
But if their planting they cant peak you anyway
Goyos proximity alarms are underrated, they provide helpful info on enemy whereabouts on opposing sites and help give an indication as to when to shoot your volcans.
Proximity alarms imo are underrated they’re so tiny and so loud with good placement it can get you a free kill it’s so good with oryx to pick someone off when roaming but the c4 is generally a better option it’s just too good
@@Promethazin3 i use the c4 strat all the time, and sometimes if you just hide it near an entry it will slow them down without even detonating
I think goyo should score higher in versatility since his gadget has MANY different uses, for example you can make a kapkan-goyo strategy where when a kapkan trap goes of it blows the vulcan together allowing kapkan to spread his traps more and goyo to get some easy kills. Smoke and tachanka MUST work as plan denials.
But I agree with your conclusion smoke is the best by far
Yes but all the strats that u mentioned are pretty shit tbh
@@litelsnek2226 one dumb example from a dumb man, but you got the point I imagine.
firstly, that kapkan goyo strategy is a waste of utility and will almost never work.
second, smoke isnt just a plant denier. i have no clue where you're getting this from. he can deny area, slow down attackers, and use smokes aggressively to block vision and get close. just look at bank blue stairs hold (probably the most famous smoke spot).
Still sad that Thorns razorblooms don't blow up the vulcans. Could do some bonkers trapping with that.
We all just gonna forget echo and maestro
Also pulse
Bro Tachankas lmg is a two tap that’s a beast of a gun
You missed Tahchankas greatest asset is he can deny plant from cover and waste far more time just because attackers don't want to run through his fire even if it's range is smaller
Tachanka hold on bank server is really good and I usually take him if we have a goyo
What if Tachanka/Goyo’s fire increases in damage by double or slows you down more. It’d help them both
i think tachanka would just need the slow not more damage, he has more control of his fire than goyo
@@mellomoose_ I meant one or the other not both
W Video, brings light to goyo and tachanka and how they arent just memes anymore and the buffs they got are actually on par with smoke
Yeah they needed some love.
bro tachanka is nowhere near as good as smoke lmfao
Goyo needs a bailiff or super shotty and he'd be my main forsure
You forgot to mention the Goyo proximity alarm trick, where you can place the alarm on the red spot of the Vulcan, meaning that if attackers want to get rid of the proxy they have to trigger the Vulcan. I also like his rush denial capabilities if you place the Vulcan on the barricade, creating a sort of a trap
ill be honest to me personally the lord has the best gun on defense his lmg just because it really has no recoil and its doesn't really have dmg drop off plus because of its power you can shoot through most things with out losing and really dmg now since on my team im an anchor i hold site most of the time his ability to hold the line with his mg so no one peeks and you wait for the flank or you 2 tap them makes him valuable plus that 70 rounds is just amazing
I’d like to see Echo/Valk/Maestro or Zero vs Twitch
And combine them, and you got a site that’s impossible to enter
Not gonna lie, your channel is the most overlooked and underrated r6 channel ever. i absolutely love your videos and content and will drop a sub with the bell!
Been looking forward towards this video!
Hopefully you enjoyed it :)
@@BMP I did! very informative thank you for putting the time in to make it happen :)
Smoke lost his shield and got a proximity alarm
Best r6 yter. Ur quality has improved so much!
Thanks mate. I'm going to keep grinding and hopefully I can continue to up the levels!
"Tachankas lmg doesn't have good dps" yeah ok
I did this video WAY before the buff to the LMG. Its a little outdated to say the least lol
even thought its kind of easy to guess which operator is gonna win , you make It look so interesting man , nice content, 10/10
I appreciate that man. Hopefully I can keep it up!
@@BMP for sure you will , you can only get better at this, for real
Personally, my favorite is unironically Tachunky.
While i do think smokes canister is good and see how it can be effective, the amount of shots i can fire iff from the shumikha makes it about worth it, i do think they need to do more damage though.
As for his guns, I've never used the VSN on him because fuck that, but i do like his LMG for any long range encounters it can pull off as well as it's high damage and wall murder capabilities.
Can you make a doc vs thunderbird video?
I didn’t even need to watch the video when the best op in the game is in the thumbnail.
You can kinda use Goyo like castle and put the canisters on doors to zone iut attackers
Alternate video title: Glazing Smoke for 10 minutes
I think you scored Goyo way too low on versatility, as Goyo has one advantage that no other plant denial has: his gadget is useful in death. What if Smoke gets naded? What if Tachanka gets peaked? Their plant denial is gone and they were useless for the round other than making rotates. Goyo has guaranteed value to the team. He places his traps and now anyone anywhere can activate plant denial that is reliably more active than the other two. I’d argue that his versatility is damn near 9/10 because of the fact that his denial can be used by the WHOLE TEAM and even activated by enemies on accident with friendly traps or crossfire. Also you can place his traps on drone holes to deny wall on sites like consulate basement and chalet garage just to name a few.
the think the overall 123 is accurate but goyo is much higher, hes a close second to smoke if you have teammates that can talk cause his gadget is both better than smokes and can be used by any of your teammates, he does bring less rotate options but hes still a 6-7/10 in versatility
Wouldn’t echo be a good plant denial as his drones stop attackers from planting?
I like good. Just sometimes shooting his gadget doesn't work, like I'll shoot it dead on, but because I'm on the side of it it doesn't work
Tachanka speaks Russian and he has a grenade launcher and and dp27 big weapons so he wins
I think with the vsn getting a 2x scope that just barley edges out Goyo on this list, I don’t play goyo to much but I’m taking that 2x over the vector and it’s 1.5x, vector used to hit so hard and then idk if they nerfed it when I stop playing but I came back and that thing feels like a pillow gun
Smoke has been so good for so long I’m terrified of the day when Ubi will nerf him
Well it is hard to use if you cant throw the cannister to your desire location
Smoke is so op. let’s nerf sledge
@@dsnoob8805 decrease the use of hammer?
Well...
@@Wolfy-qf5pe yep
I know at least one room where goyo is best. If you can keep the walls closed on armory throne and have two canister on each door you effectively win that round at the 40 second mark. I play goyo there every time.
It does 60 damage now baby. The lord shall rise
When brava gets released will you do a video on Who is the best droner ?
I mean they all have their niche. All three have an ideal site to defend. Smoke is probably the most useable on most sites
You should do a comparison on nomad and gridlock for area denial/defuse denial
As of Operation Dread Factor Goyo is the best plant denial because of the removal of smokes shield
I don't get how the Bearing-9 is easier to control than the SMG-11 on PC.
Where as this is a well structured video, I think these ops are in a way similar to how the hard breachers are in which yes they do their job different but apply stronger to different maps.
If you're on Consolate Garage. Goyo is typically a go too since he can also deny the drone hole, can prevent rushing and more. Tachanka and shoot from over white van with constant pressure but smoke is more like to be exposed needing to throw his gadget in a more or less line.
Or even how tachanka can put pressure on hookah balc from service door due to his projectiles insane range. Goyo can leave his gadgets for other anchors while he roams or but smoke being one of the best for things like Elbow hold on oregon.
Each of the these ops thrive in different ways with strengths and weaknesses I don't feel were fully considered in this video. I do agree Smoke has a greater general versatility that comes mostly from having one of the best shotguns and the smg11.
Vid idea: best info op in siege.
Trust me that is on the way
@@BMP ayyyy you commented
rip smoke shield, will be remembered
Smoke, but situationally goyo can be an insanely strong pick
Yeah he can be on the right setups
Love theses vids
Love you bro 😘
i discovered your channel around a week ago and im surprised at the quality of your videos, i thought you must’ve had at least 100k subs but the fact that you have 9k subs is mind blowing. i can see you doing really well in your career keep it up the vids are fire
Trust me bro the videos will keep coming. And I appreciate the support. We've been growing like crazy recently so you never know what the future holds
That's crazy not at 100k is weird bc the quality is peak. And very informative for players that are new.
I won’t lie I only use Goyo for his gun. His gadget I usually use to block drone holes so they can’t be shot from the other side lol.
I wonder how smoke is now since his shield is gone
He can make rotates with the shottie
Yeah I forgot to mention that, but the TCSG is not really good for that. It needs more reserve ammo honestly
I would give the secundary loadout of Tachanka ad Smoke a 9/10 because there is Warden with shield and a c4
Bro forgot to put the most important plant denial ops in the vid. Echo and maestro
I think goyo is very underrated and people don’t utilise his plant denial potential.
Maestro kinda fits into this category, but pushing it a little
Even tho I knew th answer I wanted to see beasts take
Thanks mate💙
@@BMP all good man one of the best r6 content creators rn
What is with ela and Eco?
Missing the fact that Solis is the most evil plant denial operator out there
Man I miss Smoke's shield
Bro, tachanka's LMG and vsn literally have the same ttk
I do decently well with the king does that mean i have good skill or just learned how to use him well?
Goyo can make rotates with his shotgun, though not as effectively as Smoke and Tachanka.
It’s smoke, goodbye
Where are Maestro and Echo????
if ubi can give chanka a baliff or a supershoty ,his pickrate can significantly improve in my opinion,atleast in ranked.
Doesn’t need it
For what? His weapon already destroys walls like it’s nothing
@@christiandesanto7249 but that same gun limits him from fragging. Vsn + shoty would be a better loadout atleast for me.
does echo fall under plant denial
Hot take: in terms of denial it’s echo
Is echo no plant denial??
echo is also super strong as plant denial why didnt you include him?
I think you need to redo this video
Yeah I will probably have to redo this at some point. These videos get outdated after a couple of seasons
Have Goyo and Smoke on defence is OP!!😂
i use nitro cell to blow volcan cans from distance
Now smoke has no shield what would you rate him ?
Also goyo now has impacts for rotate
Next time compare melusi, lesion and ela
Yeah a trap operator video is definitely on the cards
To point out that tachanka has to take out his launcher but not mention that smoke literally has to put his weapon away to throw a smoke grenade is crazy. Smoke with the W though 😂
Bro you say "the bearing 9 is a good choice because it's easy to control especially compared to the smg-11" and then right after say "the smg-11 is the best machine pistol, it's super easy to control"
So... what is it?
Chunky boi went up now his damage is now 60 🥱 he is the 🐐
Goyo 100% deserves more points. His load out is better than Smokes imo aside from the smg-11 it’s his only benefit. Goyo can block drone holes. Team can use after death. Fire can be a sight blocker. More time can be drawn out of goyo.
I mean personally I think tachanka as is is absolutely awesome
please rank the shield users im begging
If I do that it'll be when the shield rework comes out
@@BMP yessir
Here me out: give tachanka his turret back, it was low tier when he came out however, so give the turret incedinary rounds
Tachanka shouldnt be really a plant denial, echo is a far more reasonable one for this category, hell even maestros more plant denial than tachanka, oh well, keep up the great work
imo I'd rather have a good goyo vs a good smoke player
Smoke is arguably the best operator in the entire game, this is barely a competition.
You forgot to include echo
This video like smoke paid to him for insane 40/40 and 1st place😂😂😂
No matter what the Lord will always be number 1 🗿
should echo be here or is that just me?
I had that thought too, what else would he be labeled as? Intel I guess
I plan on doing an intel operator video in the future so I'm just saving them for that
the whole smoke segment was just making fun of tachanka
Maybe we forget about echo
Tbh even if you said it was someone other than smoke id still would think smoke is the best
Before I watch smoke, goyo, chanka
Goyos can be used to kill after goyo died which is better than tachanka and smoke
really ez to control recoil on smoke
bro wut.......
It's just vertical recoil, barely any side to side makes it much easier to control than other machine pistols like the SMG-12 or Bearing-9
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