I suspect in my area there's going to be a lot of 1234YF converted back to the 134A until prices reach reality. I may or may not know some folks who have done it with no issue. In most cases the components are exactly the same as the earlier 134A equipped models.
I don’t think it as easy to change as r12 to 134a. I think you just can’t change fittings for 1234rf but I could be wrong because I never tried. Like you channel.
I may or may not know some shops here in northern europe that has replaced the 1234yf with r600 succesfully. Its still a flamable gas but much less expensive.
When i worked at oreillys and yf first came out it was $100 per lb, $1000 a tank. Now that I'm in residential HVAC I've learned yf contains propane and propane might be in hvac in other applications in the future.
Compressors Leak pretty common a whole erra of vehicles left oil marks under hood above compressor see tracks. Then 134a came out and terqoise o rings and 123 here we are. Lots of cars charged with Propane works really good. Didn't know contaminated a few machines.
I did a ac comp expansion valve and condenser on a 18 silverado the other day.. used a robin air machine and have mixed feelings about it running a leak down test before charging the system... but if it fails that test it let's you know not to waste your expensive refrigerant and to find the leak... which we should not be charging a system with refrigerant when a leak is detected so I guess that is a good thing
The automotive industry is not the only trade using flammable refrigerants. In light commercial HVAC/R we are using R-290 (propane). As to the reason why, it's the guberment and the greenies.
Unfortunately in the end it's the consumer who gets the raw end of the deal. If you think that's bad wait until you see the price tags on some of the new automotive bus systems that require harness replacement because you can't repair them. But hey your car can talk to Alexa............Lol
Im assuming after you fill the system with co2 you just let it vent all out ? it doesn’t have an affect on the machine I’m going to try to convince my boss to get one of those co2 tanks
Do you call R134, R One three four or R One Thirty Four?? Then why would you call it One Two Three Four YF and not the right way of, Twelve Thirty Four YF... lol
Good video! Yes R-1234yf is horribly expensive. It was supposed to come way down in price but it hasn’t yet. R-1234yf is used by all automotive/truck manufactures world wide and is not going away. We have to adapt. Yes R-1234yf is SLIGHTLY flammable but nothing like propane. In fact it is very, very difficult to light. I wouldn’t let the slight flammability rating ruin your day. No you can not simply dump R-134a into an R-1234yf system. They use completely different oils that are not compatible. The boiling and dew points are different too. Just remember that misuse of refrigerants can cost the shop and/or technician tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
The only part that will prevent this in some cases "Just remember that misuse of refrigerants can cost the shop and/or technician tens of thousands of dollars in fines."
I heard that you were saying that you cannot look for the oil like with R134a with this new system. Don't you charge the system with a tracer dye and look for the leak with a UV-light? My shop just got the R1234YF machine a few weeks ago and we just charge the system with tracer dye and the leaks are as easy to find as with R134a.
I am a BMW Master, we started seeing it in 2013 on the i3 cars then it shortly after became a European standard. It takes forever to do the simplest tasks and boy is it expensive. I am not a fan. We have a Bisebarth machine and it sucks!
Does any one know how much Co2 to put in the system to check for leaks? In the video @flatratemaster says 165lbs to 200lbs Isn’t that too much? Any information would be helpful Thanks
We have the same YF A/C machine and have for 3ish years now. Made some good money off it given we’re basically the only non-dealer shop in our entire market with one. But yes, not a fun machine to interface with.
And you just HAD to flush out the entire system to get rid of the old oil, replace any rubber hoses with “barrier” hoses, and replace all the o-rings with the correct green ones. Fast forward a few years and we evacuated, installed 134 fittings, injected some PAG oil and voila.
@@albialbi9217 are you kidding me! We strive to meet EPA compliance every year and China gets to pollute as much as they want with no repercussions! Not to mention they literally shut the word down with no repercussions! And honestly they are getting rich of the whole thing because everything comes from them so they now control many markets. It’s going to get much worse with shortages in the next months watch, plastic (especially for packaging) is already skyrocketing in price.
Well it will be obsolete by next year, did I hear it’s flammable too!!! insurance rates are going to go up as cars catch fire i will say 1 shop per month in the big city’s , in the big diesel shop if a lpg or Npg truck arrives it has to be unloaded before it can sit in the shop , I always have used nitrogen gas (if it’s good for keeping fiber optics dry it’s good for me) lot of car owners are going to be sticker shocked first time it goes does DO NOT BELIEVE IN SNIFFERS THEY 50/50 just me !!!
I hate the new refrigerant. Takes forever to do the job when ur always waiting on timers and leak checks. The machine also is more of a piece of crap compared to 134 machine. Always fucked up
Super expensive machines, super expensive refrigerant, time consuming and the machines for it won’t allow shortcuts or give freon until a leak test is passed. I hope they made the evaporators better, less fires and explosions. lol
Well if you go by the party line explanation "1234 YF is much more friendly for the environment and functions better" However if you look around just a bit you will discover that the issue is the same BS as what was said when R12 was phased out. The truth however is the same in both cases. The patent on R-12 was expiring and Dupont shoved R134A out as the "environmental responsible replacement". Now care to guess what is going on with R134A? Yep, the patent is expiring and the enviro-nazis are hammering companies to be more "environment friendly" and we get the same "look 1234YF is so much better for the environment than that nasty R134A"....
I'm not going to dispute if it is int better or not for environment because I'm.not and echo warrior because I care less what they think all I know is 1234yf over priced highly flammable I might have work with it in automotive industry but it doesn't mean I have used it my own vehicles
@@corbettknowles9942 Don't get caught, the current fines run up to $40,000 and if you are 609 certified to do AC work it applies regardless of where you do the work. I don't agree with any of the BS they come up with but they rolled 1234YF enforcement into both a federal level and state environmental laws.
@@Blazer02LS warm I wouldn't remove it out of a customer's vehicle and replace it for 134a without consent from a customer secondly if I were to evacuate any refrigerant it would be done so properly I'm just not going to open the system up and let that stuff for discharge in the air not that stupid i was referring to my personal vehicles only and no one else's when I like you ate any refrigerant evacuated in the proper canister using proper tools not losing my certifications being stupid how to State my personal opinion of the 1234yf refrigerant what I think of it
@@corbettknowles9942 Thing is that if they find you putting 134A into a 1234 system regardless if it's yours or a customers, it's a violation of the clean air act and can land you in trouble. From the 2015 SNAP ruling - For vehicles for which the manufacturer counts air conditioning credits toward its LD GHG compliance, the MVAC systems (or elements of those systems) are considered emission related components as defined in 40 CFR 86.1803. This designation includes provisions for emission-related warranty, requirements that they operate properly for the specified useful life, as well as tampering restrictions. For example, if a manufacturer claims air conditioning credits for an MVAC system that uses a lower-GWP refrigerant on a particular vehicle as part of the LD GHG program, removing and replacing that refrigerant with any other refrigerant that has a higher GWP, including HFC-134a, would be considered tampering with an emission related component under Title II of the CAA. Personally I don't worry about it because I'm not going to do any conversions. Just don't like to see others get stuck with the bill. Take a look at what the diesel brothers are facing for violations of the CAA. 1.8 million in fines and legal costs.
They sure picked the right last letters to describe that process
I suspect in my area there's going to be a lot of 1234YF converted back to the 134A until prices reach reality. I may or may not know some folks who have done it with no issue. In most cases the components are exactly the same as the earlier 134A equipped models.
I don’t think it as easy to change as r12 to 134a. I think you just can’t change fittings for 1234rf but I could be wrong because I never tried. Like you channel.
I may or may not know some shops here in northern europe that has replaced the 1234yf with r600 succesfully. Its still a flamable gas but much less expensive.
You cant convert R1234yf to R134A
@@christopherenger1602 You sure can...
You cannot go back, only forward. R143a to 1234yf will soon be fine. No way on God's green earth can you go 1234yf to 134a.
Sounds like the person that invented this went to school and learned common core math! Just shaking my head😂
Very informative video! I've had some dealings with this already. You're right, the machine is painfully slow.
If it’s a Tahoe, it needs a condenser. 😂😂😂
LOL
Or aux ac lines
I need to start getting this equipment, now!
When i worked at oreillys and yf first came out it was $100 per lb, $1000 a tank. Now that I'm in residential HVAC I've learned yf contains propane and propane might be in hvac in other applications in the future.
Compressors Leak pretty common a whole erra of vehicles left oil marks under hood above compressor see tracks. Then 134a came out and terqoise o rings and 123 here we are. Lots of cars charged with Propane works really good. Didn't know contaminated a few machines.
We're paying $764.97 for 10 lbs here in Jacksonville Florida. The list price is $1129.94.
You have a source right in your backyard selling it for less than $550. Refrigerant Depot.
@@1MiketheMechanic Not my choice where we buy it. We're forced to buy where the company tells us to buy it. All I can do is place the order.
Good to know! I'm in the process of ordering a 1234 machine now...
I did a ac comp expansion valve and condenser on a 18 silverado the other day.. used a robin air machine and have mixed feelings about it running a leak down test before charging the system... but if it fails that test it let's you know not to waste your expensive refrigerant and to find the leak... which we should not be charging a system with refrigerant when a leak is detected so I guess that is a good thing
The automotive industry is not the only trade using flammable refrigerants. In light commercial HVAC/R we are using R-290 (propane). As to the reason why, it's the guberment and the greenies.
Unfortunately in the end it's the consumer who gets the raw end of the deal. If you think that's bad wait until you see the price tags on some of the new automotive bus systems that require harness replacement because you can't repair them. But hey your car can talk to Alexa............Lol
This is why I'm milking a 86' diesel truck til I die
Very informative video. Thank you!
Some hybrid vehicles use the AC system for thermal management of the batteries So Vehicle owners Will not have the option of not repairing the AC
I ran into this a couple years ago the hard way🙄sold a a/c job to find out i couldn't do it🤣im equipped today tho💪
Our shop already said they are not going to buy this stuff they rather send it away then deal with the headache
@@jasonsanchez2764 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for the info.... I was not aware
right 134a was flammable too
Im assuming after you fill the system with co2 you just let it vent all out ?
it doesn’t have an affect on the machine I’m going to try to convince my boss to get one of those co2 tanks
Why couldn’t they just stay with R134a?
Been using that POS machine since 2013. There is a few tweaks to speed things up, still takes awhile and why is the cooling fan so damn loud?
Do you call R134, R One three four or R One Thirty Four?? Then why would you call it One Two Three Four YF and not the right way of, Twelve Thirty Four YF... lol
Good video! Yes R-1234yf is horribly expensive. It was supposed to come way down in price but it hasn’t yet. R-1234yf is used by all automotive/truck manufactures world wide and is not going away. We have to adapt. Yes R-1234yf is SLIGHTLY flammable but nothing like propane. In fact it is very, very difficult to light. I wouldn’t let the slight flammability rating ruin your day. No you can not simply dump R-134a into an R-1234yf system. They use completely different oils that are not compatible. The boiling and dew points are different too. Just remember that misuse of refrigerants can cost the shop and/or technician tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
The only part that will prevent this in some cases "Just remember that misuse of refrigerants can cost the shop and/or technician tens of thousands of dollars in fines."
I heard that you were saying that you cannot look for the oil like with R134a with this new system. Don't you charge the system with a tracer dye and look for the leak with a UV-light? My shop just got the R1234YF machine a few weeks ago and we just charge the system with tracer dye and the leaks are as easy to find as with R134a.
You can, but you are wasting a LOT of money doing it that way. It's like using 100 dollar bills to light up a 20 cent candle.
Like # 100 even, don't know I've ever been this early! As always, great vids and info!
I am a BMW Master, we started seeing it in 2013 on the i3 cars then it shortly after became a European standard. It takes forever to do the simplest tasks and boy is it expensive. I am not a fan. We have a Bisebarth machine and it sucks!
Does any one know how much Co2 to put in the system to check for leaks?
In the video @flatratemaster says 165lbs to 200lbs
Isn’t that too much?
Any information would be helpful
Thanks
We have the same YF A/C machine and have for 3ish years now. Made some good money off it given we’re basically the only non-dealer shop in our entire market with one. But yes, not a fun machine to interface with.
I remember how it was the end of the world when everyone had to switch from R12 to R134. Same whining about expense bla bla bla.
And you just HAD to flush out the entire system to get rid of the old oil, replace any rubber hoses with “barrier” hoses, and replace all the o-rings with the correct green ones. Fast forward a few years and we evacuated, installed 134 fittings, injected some PAG oil and voila.
What is the reasoning behind the change from R134?
Ozone depletion
@@albialbi9217 are you kidding me! We strive to meet EPA compliance every year and China gets to pollute as much as they want with no repercussions! Not to mention they literally shut the word down with no repercussions! And honestly they are getting rich of the whole thing because everything comes from them so they now control many markets. It’s going to get much worse with shortages in the next months watch, plastic (especially for packaging) is already skyrocketing in price.
This is just like the r20 to r134 scam...just a scam to screw people outta there money while politicle leaders and mineral mnfhg. Get rich off of it
$$$
Daddy Diesel we aren’t on an even playing field. Not by a long shot.
The real question though is, is it expensive? 🤔
600% more
just don't do a/c work with r1234yf, at least until enough cars to make it profitable
Pretty much my plan.
Naw man my Nieghbor here at work has the dash out of this 2020 GMC Sierra & it still takes R134a apparently it’s not leaving yet 😅😂
We lost like $700 in refrigerant when we first got it 😭
Process takes so long, if you only have one bay... good luck.
Great video
When did you get your machine? I heard there is a shortage of these. Some dealer needed one and they were offering mad money for ours.
Well it will be obsolete by next year, did I hear it’s flammable too!!! insurance rates are going to go up as cars catch fire i will say 1 shop per month in the big city’s , in the big diesel shop if a lpg or Npg truck arrives it has to be unloaded before it can sit in the shop , I always have used nitrogen gas (if it’s good for keeping fiber optics dry it’s good for me) lot of car owners are going to be sticker shocked first time it goes does DO NOT BELIEVE IN SNIFFERS THEY 50/50 just me !!!
Thank God you said refrigerant and not freon
“Yet” > “as of yet”
make sure the CO2 is dry.Some CO2 has water in it.
I think I will stay away from R1234YF . I don't want to buy all the equipment to do them.
I hate the new refrigerant. Takes forever to do the job when ur always waiting on timers and leak checks. The machine also is more of a piece of crap compared to 134 machine. Always fucked up
Super expensive machines, super expensive refrigerant, time consuming and the machines for it won’t allow shortcuts or give freon until a leak test is passed.
I hope they made the evaporators better, less fires and explosions. lol
Don't use a machine. Problem solved. They're a crutch anyway
I'm not looking forward to that crap showing up in fleet trucks.
41234yf sucks why hell did they change from 134a to that garbage over priced and in my opinion 134a works fine and definitely not as expensive
Well if you go by the party line explanation "1234 YF is much more friendly for the environment and functions better" However if you look around just a bit you will discover that the issue is the same BS as what was said when R12 was phased out. The truth however is the same in both cases. The patent on R-12 was expiring and Dupont shoved R134A out as the "environmental responsible replacement". Now care to guess what is going on with R134A? Yep, the patent is expiring and the enviro-nazis are hammering companies to be more "environment friendly" and we get the same "look 1234YF is so much better for the environment than that nasty R134A"....
I'm not going to dispute if it is int better or not for environment because I'm.not and echo warrior because I care less what they think all I know is 1234yf over priced highly flammable I might have work with it in automotive industry but it doesn't mean I have used it my own vehicles
@@corbettknowles9942 Don't get caught, the current fines run up to $40,000 and if you are 609 certified to do AC work it applies regardless of where you do the work. I don't agree with any of the BS they come up with but they rolled 1234YF enforcement into both a federal level and state environmental laws.
@@Blazer02LS warm I wouldn't remove it out of a customer's vehicle and replace it for 134a without consent from a customer secondly if I were to evacuate any refrigerant it would be done so properly I'm just not going to open the system up and let that stuff for discharge in the air not that stupid i was referring to my personal vehicles only and no one else's when I like you ate any refrigerant evacuated in the proper canister using proper tools not losing my certifications being stupid how to State my personal opinion of the 1234yf refrigerant what I think of it
@@corbettknowles9942 Thing is that if they find you putting 134A into a 1234 system regardless if it's yours or a customers, it's a violation of the clean air act and can land you in trouble.
From the 2015 SNAP ruling -
For vehicles for which the manufacturer counts air conditioning credits toward its LD GHG compliance, the MVAC systems (or elements of those systems) are considered emission related components as defined in 40 CFR 86.1803. This designation includes provisions for emission-related warranty, requirements that they operate properly for the specified useful life, as well as tampering restrictions. For example, if a manufacturer claims air conditioning credits for an MVAC system that uses a lower-GWP refrigerant on a particular vehicle as part of the LD GHG program, removing and replacing that refrigerant with any other refrigerant that has a higher GWP, including HFC-134a, would be considered tampering with an emission related component under Title II of the CAA.
Personally I don't worry about it because I'm not going to do any conversions. Just don't like to see others get stuck with the bill. Take a look at what the diesel brothers are facing for violations of the CAA. 1.8 million in fines and legal costs.
I have been using R12a here in Canada for years now. It is exactly the same as R1234YF. No worries, no problems...
Umm, no it isn't.
@@2010challengerRT... I'm not a certified mixologist. Ok. If you say so...
Ehh not the big of a deal honestly takes a couple extra minutes to do but oh well
Expensive
You bet it is. One of those DIY cans with the guage on it is over a $100.00.
Allow me to help. Instead of saying one, two, three, four YF. Say twelve thirty four YF.
Say it with me... twelve thirty four y f... 12space34spaceyf.
It's terrible man, takes forever
This machine sucks takes forever