The TF-33 was and is a great and reliable engine. Worked on WC-135"s in the 80's into the 90's with TDY'S all over the world and the TF-33 never let us down.
Used to hear them a lot on the E-8s here at Robins AFB. Now it's a once in a while thing and soon to be gone as they're nearing retirement. Their sound is surely unique and will be missed! 😥
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at *ROLLS ROYCES* North American facility.
Boeing is not what it was. The 777 took less than a year from first flight to first delivery, the 777-X first flight was in January 2020 and first delivery isn't scheduled until 2025! More than 5 years later!
there is documentary on youtube about B52. Military and manufacturer engineers met in a hotel. The military guy showed them the specs needed to be met and I think they took a design they been working on and scaled it up. While another guy went and bought balsawood and started to carve the aircraft. They presented the rough design the next morning, with the balsa model, and the military guy like it. So they got the go ahead. Sounds like a tale.
This is great to see. The B52 should have been re-engined when the KC135 was. The TF33 engines on the B52 are antiques and should have been consigned to history. But at least that means that they now get a great engine which is already in service with the US military. It's funny this is about the F130/BR725 engines, but some of the video is showing Trent engines, which are huge compared to the F130. Typical journalism, an engine is an engine, and all planes are the same anyway. While fitting a fighter radar, they might as well add some AMRAAMs for self defense.
She’s been a super trooper from day one. There’s no reason good aircraft like this can’t stay in use as long as the infrastructure required for doing so is maintained. I hate to see the end of days for ‘ol Smoky, but it’s time she got some modern, more efficient powerplants. It’s cheaper in the long run to keep up and upgrade existing than to go thru the cost & drama of building new. She’s proven, go with it!
Conceivably with the radar, they could wire the aurcraft up to handle Air-Air missiles. Add another radar to the tail and they could flip Amraams over the shoulder at attacking fighters
I think it's great for making brand new engines for the oldest plane that's still operating. But I think it's a shame to get rid of the excellent A10 Thunderbolt . A plane built for ground attack that can absorb extreme damage, protect its pilot, and low maintenance costs. But what do I know.
Some high-bypass engines (like Trent triple-shaft) would give them a much longer range but other factors come into play like ground clearance and radar signature. The civil airliners with the big fans light up on radar but the old Buff has a surprisingly small radar X-section.
@@pinoyfromengland The engine isn't developed nor build in Brtiain as the whole BR700 series, BR because BMW - Rolls Royce. Rolls Royce engines get names of british rivers...
I love the sight & sound of the mighty B-52 with its whistling TF33 engines & I want to see it remain viable. But the RR F130 engine is basically the same engine that replaced the Speys on the Nimrod turning the Mighty Hunter from a roaring Tiger into a whispering pussycat
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Overbuilt, and over designed, the B-52 was created to eliminate the problems associated with the B-36 and B-47 bombers. As in the case of the DC-3 and the C-130, The design proved very adaptable and sturdy. The B-52 will still be in service when airplanes not even designed yet are Scrapped. This airplane is a Modern Wonder of the World , equalled only by the DC-3. The DC-3 makes money every day. Since 1935. The B-52 has been Defending this country I was since I was born in 1956. I'd say the Taxpayers got their money's worth out of that plane.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
for some reason, i believe for ALL military items America needs to have items like these motors built in the USA. from American made parts. as in a war it could be hard to get "spares". or full replacements.
Would be interesting to hear an (informed and credible) explanation of how the B52 (introduced in 1950s) can be updated like this, whereas the civilian Boeing 747 (introduced in 1970s) has now been retired.
The 747's have been replaced with more efficient airplanes that better serve todays airline travelers, whereas the B52's still maintain a stronghold on the defense sectors they serve. No other plane has been designed to replace them.
Shareholders in civilian aviation have different expectations that the shareholders in military aviation. The US taxpayer knows the Air Force will never turn a profit.
Someone enlighten me! Why is the USA using Rolls Royce engines which is a British company (Although assembled in the USA) for it's B52's when they have GE and P&W? I'm a Brit and it would be great to see RR aero engines on a B52! Cheers.
Actually the F130 is a BMW engine designed and manufactured in Dahlwitz Germany. It was the best match for the B-52 and the bid was cheaper than the Pratt & Whitney bid
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
So, America's iconic bomber will be powered by British engines... Hats off to them, they have the world piston airplane speed record on a Merlin powered Mustang, the Lanc and the Spit and now this... they won. Where in the hell is P&W and GE? Where in the hell is America?
So you'd rather have second-best just so long as it's American? Would be great if every country only bought their own because then we'd get to watch America's military-centric economy collapse.
@@krashd I'm just pointing out the general American decline... "We used to be huge".. now we have to beg the Tommies for bomber engines and the Chinese for fighter planes parts... We ain't gonna win no wars like that... and is the fault of... economics!
Cool! They definitely need new engines. If you've never seen one take off in person, the black exhaust billowing out of those engines is dreadful. Hopefully, the new engines will be less polluting and more economical. Oh, and not as loud!
sounds like someone finally read "Flight of the Old Dog" re-engines, composite wings, stealth sheathing re-gunning all things that should have ben done long ago IF they wanted to keep the 52s flying
Yes, it's North American plant is in Indianapolis and was formally Allison. The F130 is the American designation for the Rolls Royce BR 725 made by Rolls Royce's German plant at Oberursel.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
I knew the US engine makers (GE and P&W) were hacked off about USAF/DoD buying RR engines, but won't Boieng be really p'ed off now that Airbus engineers are maintaining old Boeing aircraft (4:33 in video)...
They colluded to put in bids that were both more than TWICE the bid of RR for a less mature engine. The Pentagon were in no mood for a 2nd bumming after the debacle with the KC46 against the A330 MRTT. They got an inferior aircraft and paid twice the money.
@@r.markclayton4821 The BMW F130 engine began development at Motorenfabrik Oberursel the second oldest aircraft engine manufacturer in the world and was acquired by BMW and later partially owned by Rolls-Royce. Rolls-Royce has since acquired the remaining shares but continues production in Dahlwitz Germany.
@@r.markclayton4821 The BMW 003/18 series is the most successful and longest production jet engine program in history and is still in production as the Safran ATAR. 50 hours TBOs is excellent for any high output piston aero engines during WW2. The BMW 003/18 is also the first European jet engine to fly Mach 2.
Why paired engines instead of single, more powerful, engines? Fewer engines, less complexity, less maintenance. Is it just a matter of clearance? What, no engine spares planned to be built beyond number required for existing air frames?
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
BUFF's have a very small rudder. With very little rudder authority, in an engine out situation, the fewer engines with more power each means the pilots would not have enough control of the airplane to fly safe.
Luke 5:37 And no one puts new ( engines ) wine into old ( aircraft ) wineskins; or else the new engines will burst the aircraft and be spilled, and the aircraft will be ruined. 38 But new engines must be put into new aircraft, and both are preserved.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Al igual que carrol shelby. Un transplante de corazón para un viejo guerrero.insinuas que soy viejo? No estoy siendo actualizado. No quiero ruquitas .quiero jovencitas.
The cost has not risen. Its a fixed cost contract with RR. Fuel savings were known from the outset as USAF already has that engine in its inventory. Uses 45% less fuel than the current BUFF engine.
@@nathd1748 There are MANY articles and sources which cite even higher cost increases in the engine program. Basic search will reveal them. Cost of B-52 Re-Engining Jumps By Half in New Estimate of Refit May 19, 2022 | By John A. Tirpak The cost of the B-52 re-engining program has increased 50 percent because of integration issues, according to revelations in a House Armed Services panel hearing. Air Force acquisition executive Andrew P. Hunter acknowledged the B-52 Commercial Engine Replacement Program (CERP) price hike as voiced in a question from Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.) in testimony on service modernization. “We currently believe there is cost growth from our design work that we did originally through the middle-tier acquisition program to what we anticipate we’ll be looking at [in] Milestone B,” which evaluates readiness for entry into the engineering and manufacturing development phase, Hunter said. The B-52 CERP has been conducted as a middle-tier acquisition program to get underway rapidly and develop a prototype system but is now moving to a “traditional” program, and the Air Force is firming up the costs it expects to pay, Hunter said. The cost increases have more to do with integrating the engines on the B-52, which is a Boeing effort, and has less to do with the engines themselves, which will be built by Rolls-Royce, he added. “I want to emphasize that a lot of that engineering work is actually inside the airplane, on the support struts, to which the engines attach, versus the engine itself, which is largely a commercial engine that already exists,” Hunter said. The engine needs only “a modest number of modifications,” he said. “So it’s really about re-engineering 1960s aircraft to perform all the way through” to the end of the B-52’s lifetime, now envisioned as circa 2050. The Air Force told Congress a year ago that the CERP effort had increased in cost by nine percent because of pandemic-related supply issues, to about $11 billion. Hunter did not speculate on a new cost estimate. The end of the risk reduction and prototyping phase is rapidly approaching, Hunter said, and when it’s done, “we’ll have an effective design … [that will] allow us to go into an acquisition program to allow us to do that re-engining.” At Milestone B, “we will … have in our hands the real, full cost of what it will take to do it, and we’ll set the original baseline for the full program … at that point,” Hunter said. The Air Force will “assess” at that milestone whether “it still make sense to move forward with that program,” Hunter said, adding, however, that “we will need a new engine for the B-52 to get it out to its full lifetime.” In an email response to a query from Air Force magazine, Boeing said the “50 percent differential in the CERP cost comes from an original, 2017 government estimate produced by the Air Force program office, compared to the latest 2022 estimate.” The company said it “is our understanding that the government’s estimate has been adjusted over the years from the initial business case analysis, developed at a very early phase of the acquisition, to incorporate additional complexity” as well as “further historical fidelity on similar programs, as well as additional understanding of technical scope and complexity of the design.” Rolls-Royce North America said through a spokesperson that the company “has been collaborating closely with the Air Force and program integrator Boeing on the CERP program.” There have been “no changes in engine pricing since the contract was awarded.” The Air Force was not able to comment on the B-52 CERP cost increase by press time. The CERP seeks to integrate eight new Rolls-Royce F130 engines per aircraft to replace the Pratt & Whitney TF33s, which are original equipment on the B-52Hs, built in 1962. The engines will be digitally controlled, requiring new pylons, new twin-engine nacelles, and wiring to connect the powerplants to the B-52 cockpit. The project is part of an overall modernization of the B-52 fleet that includes digital wiring, new communications, and a new radar, among other improvements. This is from Air&Space Forces magazine. Sources for increased fuel burn will follow.
@@nathd1748 The new engine does NOT use 45% less fuel than the TF-33. It was anticipated to use 30% less fuel but that has been revised to be 20%. From Air&Space Forces Magazine. "There has also been a reduction in expected fuel efficiency of the new engines, from the previous target of 30 percent improvement over the current TF33 engines to about 20 percent, Ruscetta acknowledged. However, fuel efficiency was not a key discriminator on the contract, which was weighted toward reliability, reduced maintenance, and expected ease of integration with the bomber."
@terryboyer1342 The existing F130 in USAF fleets are using 40% less fuel than TF33. This has been acknowledged by USAF. The engines offered for the B52 programme have had huge upgrades and the fuel use is expected to be 45% less than the TF33. You are reading from stuff that has not been put in mainstream to be challenged for the BS that it is. They are probably using figures for consumption at max thrust compared to TF33. The fuel savings go up further when at cruise altitude where the BUFF spends majority of its time.
@@nathd1748 The F130 is the military version designed and built by BMW in Dahlwitz Germany. The civilian version BR700 is a collaboration between BMW and Rolls-Royce.
@WilhelmKarsten It is no different an engine than what they offer on civilian bizjet markets. There are about 4 or 5 iterations of the BR700 series. The initial design of this engine required about 65% RR input against 35% BMW who were newcomers to this market. Which is why it was so easy for RR to then take full ownership of the programme. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@WilhelmKarsten The difference is purely on the electrical draw off. They are made partly in Germany partly in the UK. They are FULLY owned by RR and not BMW.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees. And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Between this guy and the narrators on Fluctus, they always sound like a weird malfunctioning A.I. reading a script, placing the emPHASis on the WRONG syllABLE… why do ThEy dO THaT?!?🤔 “beFIFTY two!!”
The USA had the greatest brain trust ever back then. Today's snowflakes, sadly, take at least a year to get up to speed just to start struggling through the 100 courses. Thank the U.S. Dept. of Edjumication for their first rate dumbing down of the pubic (no pun intended) screwel system of the last 4 decades.😵💫
Because back then you guys either stole scientists from Germany, convinced them to defect from Russia, or enticed them to leave your allies. That shit doesn't happen any more.
Let's put our thinking caps on., I'm for all upgrades to our B -52's. But I am also aware that sometimes we spend too much on our special units in our military. But again, I am all for our upgrades on our B - 52's, congress is not stupid, what magic is our B - 52's going to really do for us? We don't spend money unless we have a good reason, makes us wonder. She's a God sent fortress all right. Let us Americans pray for her crews and her reserve! Rolls Royce Engines, bad a**/the best for our most best severing boomer.
The commentary for this video is louder than the engines
Better than the engines or background music being so loud that you can’t hear what’s being said.
Yeah it sounds like he is shouting..no need for that..
Not to mention the awkward pauses or his tone of voice when reading the script.
Another affirmative action hire. The title leads me to think it'll be worth watching...then the dialogue begins.
Sounds robotic... As if he had never said B52 before receiving the script
The TF-33 was and is a great and reliable engine. Worked on WC-135"s in the 80's into the 90's with TDY'S all over the world and the TF-33 never let us down.
Used to hear them a lot on the E-8s here at Robins AFB. Now it's a once in a while thing and soon to be gone as they're nearing retirement. Their sound is surely unique and will be missed! 😥
The BMW F130 engines are a perfect fit for the B-52 and an excellent design, they will be made in America 🇺🇸
The TF33 is hot garbage now. They’re old and worn out
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at *ROLLS ROYCES* North American facility.
The bid for this plane was proposed in 46 and was flying in 52. If a plane like this was proposed today it you'd take decades to get finished.
Boeing is not what it was. The 777 took less than a year from first flight to first delivery, the 777-X first flight was in January 2020 and first delivery isn't scheduled until 2025! More than 5 years later!
@@cageordie surprised it even has money nowadays, with airbus selling planes by the dozen.
Maybe they should get Elon interested. He's done well with Tesla and SpaceX ...
there is documentary on youtube about B52. Military and manufacturer engineers met in a hotel. The military guy showed them the specs needed to be met and I think they took a design they been working on and scaled it up. While another guy went and bought balsawood and started to carve the aircraft. They presented the rough design the next morning, with the balsa model, and the military guy like it. So they got the go ahead. Sounds like a tale.
Another TH-cam video implied this as well. An idea was proposed in 1960 and was flying in 1964. I think it was The Greatest Airport that Never Was.
He sounds like he is screaming his way through the video!
He thought he had to be heard above the noise of the testing.
it is the digital A.I. voice , only now the sample has it shouting out its' annoy narration. we should be very worried!
The B-52 is simply immortal, and shows no signs of retirement any time soon.
I like how they modeled how the wings are flexed in flight. Just in case that effects airflow into the engine.
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This is great to see. The B52 should have been re-engined when the KC135 was. The TF33 engines on the B52 are antiques and should have been consigned to history. But at least that means that they now get a great engine which is already in service with the US military. It's funny this is about the F130/BR725 engines, but some of the video is showing Trent engines, which are huge compared to the F130. Typical journalism, an engine is an engine, and all planes are the same anyway. While fitting a fighter radar, they might as well add some AMRAAMs for self defense.
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let's find some AIM-54's too.
There are a couple of shots with engineers in Airbus overalls, and when talking about the radar upgrade they showed a Typhoon.
An accomplishment for sure. This allows the ISAF to still have a well expanded and capable fleet of varying capabilities.
Readiness is everything. Get em refitted.
This news made me glad.
She’s been a super trooper from day one. There’s no reason good aircraft like this can’t stay in use as long as the infrastructure required for doing so is maintained. I hate to see the end of days for ‘ol Smoky, but it’s time she got some modern, more efficient powerplants. It’s cheaper in the long run to keep up and upgrade existing than to go thru the cost & drama of building new. She’s proven, go with it!
Conceivably with the radar, they could wire the aurcraft up to handle Air-Air missiles. Add another radar to the tail and they could flip Amraams over the shoulder at attacking fighters
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can't handle the narration - so annoying
They look like a pair of screw in light bulbs.Also get the VC-10 back in the air if there are any left.
I think it's great for making brand new engines for the oldest plane that's still operating. But I think it's a shame to get rid of the excellent A10 Thunderbolt . A plane built for ground attack that can absorb extreme damage, protect its pilot, and low maintenance costs. But what do I know.
Good video, but is it necessary to shout through the entire presentation?
They look cool, I’m surprised that they weren’t made slightly larger in diameter but that’s probably very purposeful! LONG LIVE THE BUFF!!🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Some high-bypass engines (like Trent triple-shaft) would give them a much longer range but other factors come into play like ground clearance and radar signature. The civil airliners with the big fans light up on radar but the old Buff has a surprisingly small radar X-section.
Rolls Royce - Proudly British
@@pinoyfromengland The engine isn't developed nor build in Brtiain as the whole BR700 series, BR because BMW - Rolls Royce. Rolls Royce engines get names of british rivers...
crazy to think that by the time they retire these new engines, the plane will be close to a century old.
some things like the B-52 were designed so well that computers can't do it better
It cannot be done because for the government to design anything they will put the taxpayer at least another half a trillion in debt or more.
Well, the rudder is not that great, otherwise there would only be 4 new engines installed on the B-52's.
I love the sight & sound of the mighty B-52 with its whistling TF33 engines & I want to see it remain viable. But the RR F130 engine is basically the same engine that replaced the Speys on the Nimrod turning the Mighty Hunter from a roaring Tiger into a whispering pussycat
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The F130 is a BMW engine
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Great work Rolls Royce
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The F130 is a BMW engine designed and built in Dahlwitz Germany
Buff will become leaner and meaner into the 2030's!
Great news the old engines seemed to leave a line of smog. A new jet engine cleans up this flaw of the classic bomber
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Why shout?
Overbuilt, and over designed, the B-52 was created to eliminate the problems associated with the B-36 and B-47 bombers. As in the case of the DC-3 and the C-130, The design proved very adaptable and sturdy. The B-52 will still be in service when airplanes not even designed yet are Scrapped. This airplane is a Modern Wonder of the World , equalled only by the DC-3. The DC-3 makes money every day. Since 1935. The B-52 has been Defending this country I was since I was born in 1956. I'd say the Taxpayers got their money's worth out of that plane.
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Do they leak oil into the compressor section and pump it into the cabin, like their other engines?
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They are going to add an extra oil injection system for that.
@@godfreypoon5148 they don't need to. The crappy turbine seals they use ensure a steady supply of pyrolized oil fumes into the cabin.
@@prophetsnake Ah, they can use cheaper seals AND omit the bleed air oil injection system!
This is truly a win-win!
Yaaaaaaas 😍 long live the B52 Stratofortress 👹 👊🏻
Best engine!!!
BMW Power!
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
for some reason, i believe for ALL military items America needs to have items like these motors built in the USA. from American made parts. as in a war it could be hard to get "spares". or full replacements.
By Act of Congress the Department of Defense cannot buy anys weapons not made in America 🇺🇸
Video needed a better voice quality person without the yelling of the stats.
Would be interesting to hear an (informed and credible) explanation of how the B52 (introduced in 1950s) can be updated like this, whereas the civilian Boeing 747 (introduced in 1970s) has now been retired.
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The 747's have been replaced with more efficient airplanes that better serve todays airline travelers, whereas the B52's still maintain a stronghold on the defense sectors they serve. No other plane has been designed to replace them.
Shareholders in civilian aviation have different expectations that the shareholders in military aviation. The US taxpayer knows the Air Force will never turn a profit.
@@DPT663 But they still have a budget. What would it cost to convert the retiring 747 fleet with a nuclear-capable bomb bay?
And you think civilian airliners are bringing home big profits? Lol😅
Yay, more Robot Voice. Ack.
Will new engine still need cart start
Nope. Getting an electric air starter
Very interesting information but is it really necessary to yell, as though
you are advertising a monster truck rally?
Will the new engines smoke on take off ?
I hear they are working on it.
Someone enlighten me! Why is the USA using Rolls Royce engines which is a British company (Although assembled in the USA) for it's B52's when they have GE and P&W? I'm a Brit and it would be great to see RR aero engines on a B52! Cheers.
Actually the F130 is a BMW engine designed and manufactured in Dahlwitz Germany.
It was the best match for the B-52 and the bid was cheaper than the Pratt & Whitney bid
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
I always wonder why American correspondents tell a story in such a hysterical way.
Channel surfers.
I would like to see GE pods under the wings but I’m partial too GE.
The BMW F130 is a fantastic engine and a perfect fit for the B-52
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
why is the narrator shouting all the time?
So, America's iconic bomber will be powered by British engines... Hats off to them, they have the world piston airplane speed record on a Merlin powered Mustang, the Lanc and the Spit and now this... they won. Where in the hell is P&W and GE? Where in the hell is America?
So you'd rather have second-best just so long as it's American? Would be great if every country only bought their own because then we'd get to watch America's military-centric economy collapse.
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@@krashd I'm just pointing out the general American decline... "We used to be huge".. now we have to beg the Tommies for bomber engines and the Chinese for fighter planes parts... We ain't gonna win no wars like that... and is the fault of... economics!
The BMW F130 is a perfect fit for the B-52..
@@WilhelmKarsten I agree...
Cool! They definitely need new engines. If you've never seen one take off in person, the black exhaust billowing out of those engines is dreadful. Hopefully, the new engines will be less polluting and more economical. Oh, and not as loud!
Reduce their visibility too, the smoke is easy to spot long before the aircraft is seen. All that soot is wasted fuel.
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I hope the new engines are loud and smoky.
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835 no ones seen what the mil power setting can do.
I'm guessing that they are planning to keep that big bird around for a while
2050
Why 8 engines still?
Will the wings stay on I wonder, the damn thing is only 20 years younger than me.
At what age did your wings fall off?
sounds like someone finally read "Flight of the Old Dog" re-engines, composite wings, stealth sheathing re-gunning all things that should have ben done long ago IF they wanted to keep the 52s flying
"stealth sheathing" ?
@@godfreypoon5148 a spray on stealth coating .. read the book or listen to it great read
32 tonnes of bombs... I was wondering why such an old plane was still useful... 32!!!!
Rolls-Royce has an engine plant in the US?
Rolls-Royce has a factory in the US making BMW F130 engines
Yes, it's North American plant is in Indianapolis and was formally Allison. The F130 is the American designation for the Rolls Royce BR 725 made by Rolls Royce's German plant at Oberursel.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
How many rocket propelled drones carrying semtex does it take to take down a scratofortress ?
Not many
What good is it when somebody will call the enemy in advance before it can drop bombs ?
Yeah, calling ahead to schedule a delivery.
I knew the US engine makers (GE and P&W) were hacked off about USAF/DoD buying RR engines, but won't Boieng be really p'ed off now that Airbus engineers are maintaining old Boeing aircraft (4:33 in video)...
They colluded to put in bids that were both more than TWICE the bid of RR for a less mature engine. The Pentagon were in no mood for a 2nd bumming after the debacle with the KC46 against the A330 MRTT. They got an inferior aircraft and paid twice the money.
The BMW F130 engines were the best fit, and the bid was less.
BMW made the 003 engine during WWII. It would run for about fifty hours before overhaul... You would need a lor more than eight too.
@@r.markclayton4821 The BMW F130 engine began development at Motorenfabrik Oberursel the second oldest aircraft engine manufacturer in the world and was acquired by BMW and later partially owned by Rolls-Royce.
Rolls-Royce has since acquired the remaining shares but continues production in Dahlwitz Germany.
@@r.markclayton4821 The BMW 003/18 series is the most successful and longest production jet engine program in history and is still in production as the Safran ATAR.
50 hours TBOs is excellent for any high output piston aero engines during WW2.
The BMW 003/18 is also the first European jet engine to fly Mach 2.
Why paired engines instead of single, more powerful, engines? Fewer engines, less complexity, less maintenance.
Is it just a matter of clearance?
What, no engine spares planned to be built beyond number required for existing air frames?
Stop shouting.
The computer voice is irritating and loud......the RR F130 will be loud but not irritating.
The F130 is a BMW engine
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
USAF will keep it running until wheels fall off 😅😅😅
Is the narrator standing in a the wind tunnel?
Four high bypass engines would be easier and better
thanks for your comment
BUFF's have a very small rudder. With very little rudder authority, in an engine out situation, the fewer engines with more power each means the pilots would not have enough control of the airplane to fly safe.
But less cool...
Four high bypass engines would really show up well on any air defence radars, lets make our not very stealthy bomber even more visible!
I could swear I once saw a picture of a B-52 with 4 big turbofans.
IOW, centerline stays the same...
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Luke 5:37 And no one puts new ( engines ) wine into old ( aircraft ) wineskins; or else the new engines will burst the aircraft and be spilled, and the aircraft will be ruined. 38 But new engines must be put into new aircraft, and both are preserved.
Whahahaha, wonderful idea to introduce Kermit the Frog as a narrator, hilarious! Yeaaahaaaaa!
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come on american company...
american own company must make their own JETMOTORS in B-52 bombers
The BMW F130 engines are the perfect fit and will be made in America.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the *ROLLS ROYCE* BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Peace is our Profession.
Why you shouting?
a russian content maker, digital AI voice
TF-33 forever
This must be a robot voice.
Yes , not a US content source!!!
But how does a sub sonic bomber is useful , when jet fighters are on supersonic and missiles ICBMs at hypersonic.?
Gunboat diplomacy plus bombers can be recalled.
Isn’t putting RR engines on a B52 a bit like polishing a turd?
no worse then refitting a TU-95 with them.
Sanctions - Tu-95 will get no RR engines unless Putin says, "My Bad!"
The F130 was designed and built in Germany by BMW
What better engines could they have put on them?
Go and educate yourself
Good don't waste money and energy time thanks 😊
thank you for your comment
I think it would sound much better if you just talked normally, Just saying!
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Calm down dude.
he's off his Clozapine drip.
Narrator an salesman at the same time .
The narrator sounds like the father from, "The Goldbergs".
should have stuck the GE95 engine under there- take off 8, put on 4.
Won't fit.
True...
As has already been said, ground clearance is the decider. Also you have the luxury of being able to lose more engines in flight.
Al igual que carrol shelby. Un transplante de corazón para un viejo guerrero.insinuas que soy viejo? No estoy siendo actualizado. No quiero ruquitas .quiero jovencitas.
Surprised they are still considered a viable delivery system.
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Why would you be surprised?
The element of surprise is a good thing but seriously it only needs to carry ordnance to within cruise missile striking distance.
Just read on another site the cost has risen 30% while fuel savings has decreased 30% over the projections.
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The cost has not risen. Its a fixed cost contract with RR. Fuel savings were known from the outset as USAF already has that engine in its inventory. Uses 45% less fuel than the current BUFF engine.
@@nathd1748 There are MANY articles and sources which cite even higher cost increases in the engine program. Basic search will reveal them.
Cost of B-52 Re-Engining Jumps By Half in New Estimate of Refit
May 19, 2022 | By John A. Tirpak
The cost of the B-52 re-engining program has increased 50 percent because of integration issues, according to revelations in a House Armed Services panel hearing.
Air Force acquisition executive Andrew P. Hunter acknowledged the B-52 Commercial Engine Replacement Program (CERP) price hike as voiced in a question from Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.) in testimony on service modernization.
“We currently believe there is cost growth from our design work that we did originally through the middle-tier acquisition program to what we anticipate we’ll be looking at [in] Milestone B,” which evaluates readiness for entry into the engineering and manufacturing development phase, Hunter said.
The B-52 CERP has been conducted as a middle-tier acquisition program to get underway rapidly and develop a prototype system but is now moving to a “traditional” program, and the Air Force is firming up the costs it expects to pay, Hunter said. The cost increases have more to do with integrating the engines on the B-52, which is a Boeing effort, and has less to do with the engines themselves, which will be built by Rolls-Royce, he added.
“I want to emphasize that a lot of that engineering work is actually inside the airplane, on the support struts, to which the engines attach, versus the engine itself, which is largely a commercial engine that already exists,” Hunter said. The engine needs only “a modest number of modifications,” he said.
“So it’s really about re-engineering 1960s aircraft to perform all the way through” to the end of the B-52’s lifetime, now envisioned as circa 2050.
The Air Force told Congress a year ago that the CERP effort had increased in cost by nine percent because of pandemic-related supply issues, to about $11 billion. Hunter did not speculate on a new cost estimate.
The end of the risk reduction and prototyping phase is rapidly approaching, Hunter said, and when it’s done, “we’ll have an effective design … [that will] allow us to go into an acquisition program to allow us to do that re-engining.”
At Milestone B, “we will … have in our hands the real, full cost of what it will take to do it, and we’ll set the original baseline for the full program … at that point,” Hunter said.
The Air Force will “assess” at that milestone whether “it still make sense to move forward with that program,” Hunter said, adding, however, that “we will need a new engine for the B-52 to get it out to its full lifetime.”
In an email response to a query from Air Force magazine, Boeing said the “50 percent differential in the CERP cost comes from an original, 2017 government estimate produced by the Air Force program office, compared to the latest 2022 estimate.”
The company said it “is our understanding that the government’s estimate has been adjusted over the years from the initial business case analysis, developed at a very early phase of the acquisition, to incorporate additional complexity” as well as “further historical fidelity on similar programs, as well as additional understanding of technical scope and complexity of the design.”
Rolls-Royce North America said through a spokesperson that the company “has been collaborating closely with the Air Force and program integrator Boeing on the CERP program.” There have been “no changes in engine pricing since the contract was awarded.”
The Air Force was not able to comment on the B-52 CERP cost increase by press time.
The CERP seeks to integrate eight new Rolls-Royce F130 engines per aircraft to replace the Pratt & Whitney TF33s, which are original equipment on the B-52Hs, built in 1962. The engines will be digitally controlled, requiring new pylons, new twin-engine nacelles, and wiring to connect the powerplants to the B-52 cockpit. The project is part of an overall modernization of the B-52 fleet that includes digital wiring, new communications, and a new radar, among other improvements.
This is from Air&Space Forces magazine. Sources for increased fuel burn will follow.
@@nathd1748 The new engine does NOT use 45% less fuel than the TF-33. It was anticipated to use 30% less fuel but that has been revised to be 20%.
From Air&Space Forces Magazine. "There has also been a reduction in expected fuel efficiency of the new engines, from the previous target of 30 percent improvement over the current TF33 engines to about 20 percent, Ruscetta acknowledged. However, fuel efficiency was not a key discriminator on the contract, which was weighted toward reliability, reduced maintenance, and expected ease of integration with the bomber."
@terryboyer1342 The existing F130 in USAF fleets are using 40% less fuel than TF33. This has been acknowledged by USAF. The engines offered for the B52 programme have had huge upgrades and the fuel use is expected to be 45% less than the TF33. You are reading from stuff that has not been put in mainstream to be challenged for the BS that it is. They are probably using figures for consumption at max thrust compared to TF33. The fuel savings go up further when at cruise altitude where the BUFF spends majority of its time.
Speak louder i cant hear you!
Pronounced 'bee fifty two', not 'b'52'!🤣
it is the digital A.I. voice , only now the sample has it shouting out its' annoy narration. we should be very worried!
The F130 is a BMW engine
How much of it was designed by BMW and how much by Rolls Royce??
@@nathd1748 The F130 is the military version designed and built by BMW in Dahlwitz Germany.
The civilian version BR700 is a collaboration between BMW and Rolls-Royce.
@WilhelmKarsten It is no different an engine than what they offer on civilian bizjet markets. There are about 4 or 5 iterations of the BR700 series. The initial design of this engine required about 65% RR input against 35% BMW who were newcomers to this market. Which is why it was so easy for RR to then take full ownership of the programme. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@nathd1748 The engines used for the B-52 are not the civilian BR700s.. the military version is designed by BMW.
@@WilhelmKarsten The difference is purely on the electrical draw off. They are made partly in Germany partly in the UK. They are FULLY owned by RR and not BMW.
und wieder ein video mit deutschem titel und der rest ist ausländisch .was soll das???????????👎
BMW F130 engines
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy, the F130 is the US designation of the ROLLS ROYCE BR 725 engines. You remember that Rolls Royce gave bmw the chance to re-enter the aero engine market in a joint venture but bmw couldn't hack it and dropped out. Fortunately Rolls Royce kept on the local employees.
And as you know, the F130s will be built in the US at ROLLS ROYCES North American facility.
Interesting content, dreadful AI voiceover.
Non of the flying B-52’s are 70 years old.
Not far off since after searching for youngest B52 in service I get 58 years old. Imagine the wings falling off when the new engines are bolted on.
@@onlymeok …….how many hours on the airframe I wonder??
Take a Valium and a breath man
In 'White'? Hope Not!!!!
Between this guy and the narrators on Fluctus, they always sound like a weird malfunctioning A.I. reading a script, placing the emPHASis on the WRONG syllABLE… why do ThEy dO THaT?!?🤔 “beFIFTY two!!”
Why is this guy screaming???
ewe looking for trouble again and again ?
WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
A sitting duck
since the '80s........ same way on the other side too.
A Flying Duck
@@FunnyVideoCollector That's what I was thinking.
Kurang ekonomis
why is this guy yelling?
Irritating
Что же мужчина так кричит?
The USA had the greatest brain trust ever back then. Today's snowflakes, sadly, take at least a year to get up to speed just to start struggling through the 100 courses. Thank the U.S. Dept. of Edjumication for their first rate dumbing down of the pubic (no pun intended) screwel system of the last 4 decades.😵💫
Because back then you guys either stole scientists from Germany, convinced them to defect from Russia, or enticed them to leave your allies. That shit doesn't happen any more.
Why are you yelling
Why are you shouting?
Let's put our thinking caps on., I'm for all upgrades to our B -52's. But I am also aware that sometimes we spend too much on our special units in our military. But again, I am all for our upgrades on our B - 52's, congress is not stupid, what magic is our B - 52's going to really do for us? We don't spend money unless we have a good reason, makes us wonder. She's a God sent fortress all right. Let us Americans pray for her crews and her reserve! Rolls Royce Engines, bad a**/the best for our most best severing boomer.
The F130 is a BMW engine, made in Dahlwitz Germany...
@@WilhelmKarstenit’s made in Indianapolis
@@grandmasterpu Only for the B-52 contract.
.All US weapons must be made in America 🇺🇸
@@WilhelmKarstenalso for the E-11 and C-37.
@@grandmasterpu The BMW-Rolls-Royce 710 is a different engine from the BMW F130 with a different type certification.
Ridiculous. These huge slow dinosaurs would be slaughtered in a peer conflict.Give some to Ukraine & give us a laugh.
Downvoting for the yelling tone. Get an earing aid man!
Obnoxious narration.