If heaven will be here on earth, that will suit me just fine. Even in this present age, i see excellent beauty everywhere in terms of this earth and all its current grandeur. I can only imagine what God will do when he makes a new heaven and new earth.He says "behold, I make all things new "
Thank you for another inspiring message. This message has a quickening, energetic, "Yes" effect on my heart. A spiritually exciting feeling. Makes me feel like I can't wait for that time and Kingdom to come. How does one prepare for it now? God bless :-D
Dear Anthony, Thank-you for taking the time to share your thoughts, I would like to you also consider that the event of the separation of the sheep and goats when Christ returns could also be the work that happens during the 1000's, as they become believers they enter the city, drink of the water and receive the gift of life.
northernmetalworker Yes, I see, a progressive event. But if one is invited to ENTER the Kingdom one cannot really have inherited already? Certainly this is not a judgment of the saints who will be immortalized as Jesus comes from heaven.
Sir Anthony, brilliant and scriptural teaching as always. However, I'm convinced of one error in your message. No offense. Please re-study Revelation 14:14-16. It states that Christ comes to the atmosphere of earth, on a white cloud. And then He reaps the earth. But He never sets foot on the earth. The very next chapter Rev 15:1-4, humans are around the throne of God, in heaven. Then the worst plagues are poured out on the earth, the 7 Viles. Thereby shortening the days for the saints, as Christ promised. Then, when we skip to Revelation 19:1-15, the Great Marriage Feast occurs, and the people of God are dressed in clean, white linen. Then Yeshua comes to the earth to smite the nations. And he brings His armies with Him, dressed exactly as they were at the Marriage Feast. These are resurrected saints, coming back to reign with Christ, for the Millennium. I understand your position of Christ only returning once. But the first resurrection that I'm convinced occurred in Rev 14, was only to gather His people, in the clouds. His earth landing is to smite the kingdoms of man. And to bring His saints with Him Rev 19:14. Please share your thoughts on this pespective. Thanks, brother. Also, tell Brother Vincent Butler and his wife, that I greet them in love. John Shaw
I'm honored that you replied to my question. My position is that the event in Zechariah 14, is the identical event in Revelation 19, since a battle is fought. However, the gathering or reaping of the Saints in Revelation 14:14-16, is not related to Zech 14, because Yeshua never steps foot on the earth. But I completely agree that the Reaping would be witnessed by the entire world. One final note, the event in Revelation 19, where Yeshua comes with the Saints to possess the earth, there is no mention of a cloud being involved. But several other references of an initial return by Christ, clearly sites Him riding a cloud. This matches the narrative in Rev. 14, perfectly. And in my mind, makes complete sense, especially due to the fact that the Marriage Feast is cited in Rev. 19. An earlier gathering for the First Resurrection, would allow time for the Feast to occur, in heaven. (Not that Yahweh "needs time."). And also explains Rev 3:10 that the Saints would be spared the hour of temptation, and Matthew 24:22, that their tribulation days would be shortened.
No, sir. Not before the 7th Trumpet, but after the 7th & before the 7 Viles. Interesting language in Revelation 11:18-B "And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great." In my mind, the puzzle seems complete, but am I missing something?
Thanks, you are right that obviously the wrath of God is not poured on the church!It hardly needs to be said. The wrath of God comes with Jesus at his Parousia and he will have immortalized the church at the 7th/last Trumpet, the One Parousia.
I believe if I have this correct from memory because I left JW in 2001 (born in). - JW teach that during the 1,000 years no one will be married and give birth to children and that is why JW try to have children now, because they think they won't be able to then. / What you are saying makes more sense, that just like after the flood the 8 had to be used to repopulate the earth, so after Gods Great Day and new millennial Kingdom takes place, the resurrected, all those in Christ would be used to repopulate the earth. Because of course the "sea" is no more meaning all the many wicked.
Hallelujah! It's shocking that Christians have been deceived to think we go to Heaven or Hell. It's a major source of Human judgement on Earth.
If heaven will be here on earth, that will suit me just fine. Even in this present age, i see excellent beauty everywhere in terms of this earth and all its current grandeur. I can only imagine what God will do when he makes a new heaven and new earth.He says "behold, I make all things new "
Thank you for another inspiring message. This message has a quickening, energetic, "Yes" effect on my heart. A spiritually exciting feeling. Makes me feel like I can't wait for that time and Kingdom to come. How does one prepare for it now? God bless :-D
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Dear Anthony,
Thank-you for taking the time to share your thoughts, I would like to you also consider that the event of the separation of the sheep and goats when Christ returns could also be the work that happens during the 1000's, as they become believers they enter the city, drink of the water and receive the gift of life.
northernmetalworker Yes, I see, a progressive event. But if one is invited to ENTER the Kingdom one cannot really have inherited already?
Certainly this is not a judgment of the saints who will be immortalized as Jesus comes from heaven.
What do you make of Jesus' "In my Fathers house are many mansions"? Is that referring to the Kingdom on earth?
God bless you 🙏😇🙏.
Sir Anthony, brilliant and scriptural teaching as always. However, I'm convinced of one error in your message. No offense. Please re-study Revelation 14:14-16. It states that Christ comes to the atmosphere of earth, on a white cloud. And then He reaps the earth. But He never sets foot on the earth. The very next chapter Rev 15:1-4, humans are around the throne of God, in heaven. Then the worst plagues are poured out on the earth, the 7 Viles. Thereby shortening the days for the saints, as Christ promised. Then, when we skip to Revelation 19:1-15, the Great Marriage Feast occurs, and the people of God are dressed in clean, white linen. Then Yeshua comes to the earth to smite the nations. And he brings His armies with Him, dressed exactly as they were at the Marriage Feast. These are resurrected saints, coming back to reign with Christ, for the Millennium.
I understand your position of Christ only returning once. But the first resurrection that I'm convinced occurred in Rev 14, was only to gather His people, in the clouds. His earth landing is to smite the kingdoms of man. And to bring His saints with Him Rev 19:14.
Please share your thoughts on this pespective. Thanks, brother. Also, tell Brother Vincent Butler and his wife, that I greet them in love.
John Shaw
Thanks, Jesus comes to the earth once at the One Parousia: He is coming back.Zech 14 is the same event.
Are you proposing an earlier Parousia?
I'm honored that you replied to my question. My position is that the event in Zechariah 14, is the identical event in Revelation 19, since a battle is fought. However, the gathering or reaping of the Saints in Revelation 14:14-16, is not related to Zech 14, because Yeshua never steps foot on the earth. But I completely agree that the Reaping would be witnessed by the entire world. One final note, the event in Revelation 19, where Yeshua comes with the Saints to possess the earth, there is no mention of a cloud being involved. But several other references of an initial return by Christ, clearly sites Him riding a cloud. This matches the narrative in Rev. 14, perfectly. And in my mind, makes complete sense, especially due to the fact that the Marriage Feast is cited in Rev. 19. An earlier gathering for the First Resurrection, would allow time for the Feast to occur, in heaven. (Not that Yahweh "needs time."). And also explains Rev 3:10 that the Saints would be spared the hour of temptation, and Matthew 24:22, that their tribulation days would be shortened.
Thanks, I believe you did not say if you think that there is a resurrection/rapture before the one at the 7th trumpet?
No, sir. Not before the 7th Trumpet, but after the 7th & before the 7 Viles. Interesting language in Revelation 11:18-B "And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great." In my mind, the puzzle seems complete, but am I missing something?
Thanks, you are right that obviously the wrath of God is not poured on the church!It hardly needs to be said.
The wrath of God comes with Jesus at his Parousia and he will have immortalized the church at the 7th/last Trumpet, the One Parousia.
I believe if I have this correct from memory because I left JW in 2001 (born in). - JW teach that during the 1,000 years no one will be married and give birth to children and that is why JW try to have children now, because they think they won't be able to then. / What you are saying makes more sense, that just like after the flood the 8 had to be used to repopulate the earth, so after Gods Great Day and new millennial Kingdom takes place, the resurrected, all those in Christ would be used to repopulate the earth. Because of course the "sea" is no more meaning all the many wicked.
The surviving nations will repopulate the earth, not Christians according to Jesus in Mar 12.25; Mat 22.30.
Thats one big bible!