You can't complain. This project was heavily needed. Plus its great to see this project on time and under budget. A step forward the MTA for sure needs. Can't wait for Grand Central Madison later this year!! edit: thanks for the likes! We ratioed the number of comments here real hard lmao
This definitely is a game changer for the LIRR Main Line. Fewer delays, more train options, and more service flexibility, plus less hassles of infrastructure locations given the removal of grade crossings from such a busy corridor.
I agree however the project should had been 4 tracks I looked and studied the area landscape the only downside of the project is mineola oyster bay line having trains run only on track 3 east-west case a train gets disabled especially the de and dm locomotives floral park the third track is shared with the Hempstead line what if a delay or suspension appears two branches are going to be affected and last but not least more freight traffic with new York& Atlantic railway more service half hourly on both the ronkonkoma and port Jefferson branches now if the railroad could grade sperate the whole ronkonkoma line and add another track it will be a really big game changer
Clientele is different. Then the subway system would have to get rid of free transfers, charge by the distance instead of $2.75 each trip to get better treatment
With these improvements long island finally has a rail service fit for purpose to serve the community its designed for, too long the service was inadequate, now its modern and purpose designed for today's world,40 years late but here now and complete ✌️♥️🇬🇧
A third track is nice but why has the route not been quad-tracked? Where I live in London, GB, most/all of the mainline railways have been quad-tracked for decades and my local commuter-railway station sees daytime trains every 10mins into the city centre which is ~10mi away by train or a 20-45min long journey but to be fair probably sees more trains per hour than the entire LIRR...
A huge public subsidy for communities which have largely banned affordable multifamily housing. What's the point when you don't let people live within walking/cycling distance of the station?
They have built apartment buildings around some of the stations. There's at least two right by the Mineola station, and a big one at the end of the West Hempstead line, right behind the WH station.
Only problem here is there aren't any Island platforms at key stations. Trains using the 3rd track have to skip stations. I figure that might be the entire point. Increase throughput from the outlying stations by skipping inner stations along the mainline. It's opens up the area to more local , reverse,and even express services without interference. Too bad there wasn't room enough for another track.
They fucked up this project in a lot of places. Mineola should have gotten island platforms instead of keeping the side platforms. The third track becomes the westbound Hempstead track at Floral Park, which I guarantee will create issues. It's frustrating to watch MTA refuse to thoroughly commit to making the third track actually function well.
I agree 100 percent this project alot of corners were cut, 4 tracks should had ran from Hicksville to floral park after west of floral park 6 tracks to Jamaica
A 4th track is impossible to make without taking homes away. Sure it would be ultimate but at least a third track will work fine. Also the mta is committing to make the third track work well ain’t what this video all about?
@@aqua2poweros699 I think a fourth track may have been slightly overkill, considering the suburban nature of Long Island. My point was that even though the third track is a good thing, the MTA cut corners in enough places that it's going to have far from optimal performance and efficiency.
@@Pyth110 Whatever you say moron don't come up try to use insults good try, I mentioned something that could had been built especially along the mainline which is especially the busiest in the railroad. Infrastructure especially when it comes to rail things fall apart when other countries in Europe and Asia are maintained and state of the art they last 🤷🏼♂️
Rebuild the Hempstead (Central) Branch first THEN four-track the main line. But then there were many faulty stories put out to prevent that, that actually hold high-ups in thrall and delusion about what it would take to rebuild the Central Branch. One told me there would need to be a long deep bored tunnel at Meadowbrook Pky. - whereas there was a bridge before. (a very attractive bridge in it's most recent iteration) It would work with a bridge there, allowing directly-below-surface tunnels on either side - to quell the NYMBYS as needed - becuase the parkway is quite low vs. the rest of it, intentionally so. A continuous Central Branch has potential to carry a lot of traffic, quicker than the main line for many destinations; but because the priorities of what to build first were deliberately reversed, it will probably never get built. See how that works?
@@aqua2poweros699 Not convinced, though I don't know where you mean. Maybe could be vertically stacked? But don't think that would be necessary. I haven't gone over Main Line as carefully as Central Branch and that not too very carefully either. Still am pretty sure some of that grade-separation should have gone below-grade rather than over. You get stuff like that lengthy underpass where they show all the workers grinning. It looks like something from the 19th Century - steep and narrow. It's deliberate.
@@aqua2poweros699 I'm wondering if you're getting your info re. impossibility of 4 tracks from the same sources as the the Construction and Design "Oversight" Committee. I'm just not able to look at it now, but I do know for instance they broadened the spacing in the 3-track area to 15' whereas most has always been 13'-4" on the LIRR for for the past 75 years - good for up to 120mph or so, and that applies in most overseas standards. (Japan + China are quite broadly spaced.) It introduces problems of physical dynamics - has either to have longer alignments for special trackwork or broader curves - in short, IT ADDS TO THE COST. The Freight Carrier Railroad Engineering FRA Revolving Door Cabal actually prefers 17.5' and have lately stated that dimension as a minimum requirement for track used by PASSENGER TRAINS in the Code of Federal Regulations. I figure they were afraid someone would raise a fuss if they proposed making it 17.5 - but THEY MAKE THE LAWS. The reason for this preference of theirs is that when their square-wheeled bad brakes rickety tracks 5-mile-long 5mph freight trains derail, that way they are less likely to foul the tracks opposite, so it can be quickly accessed and cleared. (It's part of their business formula.) I don't see any real problem with stacking of tracks (though I doubt it would be necessary) If you have two tracks below-grade and two above it can be much less intrusive - though like I say if it were properly designed I think you could have four. They are always eager to generate intrusion issues in order to achieve their preferred outcome, i.e. regression, usually - or three tracks instead of four. The grade alignment there screams to me there's something wrong with it, I think the tracks in many places should be below, and the streets over, rather than the way they built it. Especially where you see those road underpasses that are so narrow and offputting, like something from the 1st half of the 19th Century. It's not necessary to have it like that.
@@TheRailLeaguer More like regional rail system not many commuter rails operate 24/7 and offer an arguably high amount of off peak service (at-least in 2023) beyond the typical 9-5 work hours hence the name “Commuter Rail” which was specifically created and caters for the 9-5 niche.
@@aqua2poweros699 A fourth track is not impossible. True, it may have taken a few homes, but the benefit would be well worth it. IMHO, while 4 tracks would've been the ultimate, I can live with 3. Mineola should've been rebuilt as an island platform station.
@@aqua2poweros699 well this sort of thing is why govenments have the power of Eminent domain. it sucks to be the people effected and isnt exacly popular but hey ho
I hope the net result of this is less traffic on the LIE which frankly should only be trucks, buses and vetted three passenger minimum private automobiles. Public transit could be greatly improved if the NY legislature would force down the unions who have forever blocked private bus lines from using public (tax payer funded) bus stops like is allowed in NJ.
@@cats0182 that’s literally how infrastructure works. European countries have such great railway systems because taxpayers are willing to pay a lot on those projects in return for a very reliable network. In the US with the ‘liberty!!!’ idea this just doesn’t work.
@@stevenroshni1228 Not so! The upgrades could be paid for out of operating funds, or the authority overseeing the LIRR could issue bonds to pay for the upgrade. The bonds could be serviced out of operating funds.
@@peeryoutube That depends on the country. Some spend more, others less. Some places in the U.S. add local taxes for large infrastructure projects (e.g. Austin, Seattle, …), along with federal and state grants, so it’s not some foreign concept lol. And I wouldn’t call passenger rail in Europe great. Unless, you’re a tourist, who avoids rural or suburban areas.
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You can't complain. This project was heavily needed. Plus its great to see this project on time and under budget. A step forward the MTA for sure needs. Can't wait for Grand Central Madison later this year!!
edit: thanks for the likes! We ratioed the number of comments here real hard lmao
I second that emotion.👍
It’s not. It was under budget by 100 million. In mta standards, 2.5 is nothing lmao. And something.
@Malachai Carter This involved basically the entire rebuilding of the most used LIRR corridor, with numerous improvements. It’s gonna be expensive.
This definitely is a game changer for the LIRR Main Line. Fewer delays, more train options, and more service flexibility, plus less hassles of infrastructure locations given the removal of grade crossings from such a busy corridor.
I agree however the project should had been 4 tracks I looked and studied the area landscape the only downside of the project is mineola oyster bay line having trains run only on track 3 east-west case a train gets disabled especially the de and dm locomotives floral park the third track is shared with the Hempstead line what if a delay or suspension appears two branches are going to be affected and last but not least more freight traffic with new York& Atlantic railway more service half hourly on both the ronkonkoma and port Jefferson branches now if the railroad could grade sperate the whole ronkonkoma line and add another track it will be a really big game changer
Massive W for the LIRR
If only the entire subway system were treated like the railroads.
U could say that again
Clientele is different. Then the subway system would have to get rid of free transfers, charge by the distance instead of $2.75 each trip to get better treatment
Fantastic for the MTA Long Island Rail Road tracks to be built, this year. 😀
Proud of LIRR
Yeah they did a good job
It's Great to see some new investment in the Railways.
With these improvements long island finally has a rail service fit for purpose to serve the community its designed for, too long the service was inadequate, now its modern and purpose designed for today's world,40 years late but here now and complete ✌️♥️🇬🇧
On time and under budget, nice!
Very cool!
Thank you Anthony Bourdain
The project sounds very complicated, it's amazing how they did it without acquiring 1 residential house!
Should have been four tracks (with local and express service in both directions), but Long Island NIMBYs would keep complaining ...
its not that a 4th track is impossible to make and even if it is, it will for sure take homes away
A fourth traffic would probably require a LOT of eminent domain, which means a ton more money for court cases
Wait 'til December for Grand Central Madison!
It's open now in the year 2023. : )
Well done. Now can you add the Atlantic Ticket to your app for purchase instead of having those riders obtain a physical ticket?
E-Tix exists for a reason.
Amazing work
That m3 tho
Yeah
1:07
Very good!
I’m Still Driving To The City
Gl waiting forever in traffic then.
Have fun getting stuck in traffic and polluting the environment
Does this mean that weekend switching is over?????
Be on the look out in coming days, and weeks.
How’s about electrifying the entire line? Suffolk County is like taking the train in the 1880s.
Is this smiddy from jackbox?
Just like the EU now. Excellent!
A third track is nice but why has the route not been quad-tracked? Where I live in London, GB, most/all of the mainline railways have been quad-tracked for decades and my local commuter-railway station sees daytime trains every 10mins into the city centre which is ~10mi away by train or a 20-45min long journey but to be fair probably sees more trains per hour than the entire LIRR...
A huge public subsidy for communities which have largely banned affordable multifamily housing. What's the point when you don't let people live within walking/cycling distance of the station?
Those nimbys gotta cry about it. And u too.
@@aqua2poweros699 The nimbys are benefiting from it. I'm advocating for more housing around it.
They have built apartment buildings around some of the stations. There's at least two right by the Mineola station, and a big one at the end of the West Hempstead line, right behind the WH station.
Oh sorry. Misunderstood the comment a bit. Yeah. Affordable housing should be considered for sure. (If it’s affordable)
Only problem here is there aren't any Island platforms at key stations.
Trains using the 3rd track have to skip stations.
I figure that might be the entire point.
Increase throughput from the outlying stations by skipping inner stations along the mainline.
It's opens up the area to more local , reverse,and even express services without interference.
Too bad there wasn't room enough for another track.
I always wonder why mineola can't be built as 2 island platforms but oh well. btw installing a 4th track will definitely take homes away.
@@aqua2poweros699 if they did that someone might have to sacrifice a few feet of their backyard.
A forth track could had happen looking on Google maps studying the project from the beginning could had been possible not hard but build it right
They fucked up this project in a lot of places. Mineola should have gotten island platforms instead of keeping the side platforms. The third track becomes the westbound Hempstead track at Floral Park, which I guarantee will create issues. It's frustrating to watch MTA refuse to thoroughly commit to making the third track actually function well.
I agree 100 percent this project alot of corners were cut, 4 tracks should had ran from Hicksville to floral park after west of floral park 6 tracks to Jamaica
A 4th track is impossible to make without taking homes away. Sure it would be ultimate but at least a third track will work fine. Also the mta is committing to make the third track work well ain’t what this video all about?
@@aqua2poweros699 I think a fourth track may have been slightly overkill, considering the suburban nature of Long Island. My point was that even though the third track is a good thing, the MTA cut corners in enough places that it's going to have far from optimal performance and efficiency.
@@averymoore509 Lol 6 tracks, you're a clown
@@Pyth110 Whatever you say moron don't come up try to use insults good try, I mentioned something that could had been built especially along the mainline which is especially the busiest in the railroad. Infrastructure especially when it comes to rail things fall apart when other countries in Europe and Asia are maintained and state of the art they last 🤷🏼♂️
Rebuild the Hempstead (Central) Branch first THEN four-track the main line. But then there were many faulty stories put out to prevent that, that actually hold high-ups in thrall and delusion about what it would take to rebuild the Central Branch. One told me there would need to be a long deep bored tunnel at Meadowbrook Pky. - whereas there was a bridge before. (a very attractive bridge in it's most recent iteration) It would work with a bridge there, allowing directly-below-surface tunnels on either side - to quell the NYMBYS as needed - becuase the parkway is quite low vs. the rest of it, intentionally so. A continuous Central Branch has potential to carry a lot of traffic, quicker than the main line for many destinations; but because the priorities of what to build first were deliberately reversed, it will probably never get built. See how that works?
A 4th Track is impossible to make. That will take homes away. The Central branch i kind of would like to see i the future
@@aqua2poweros699 Not convinced, though I don't know where you mean. Maybe could be vertically stacked? But don't think that would be necessary. I haven't gone over Main Line as carefully as Central Branch and that not too very carefully either. Still am pretty sure some of that grade-separation should have gone below-grade rather than over. You get stuff like that lengthy underpass where they show all the workers grinning. It looks like something from the 19th Century - steep and narrow. It's deliberate.
Vertically stacking is Ridiculous. No
@@aqua2poweros699 I'm wondering if you're getting your info re. impossibility of 4 tracks from the same sources as the the Construction and Design "Oversight" Committee. I'm just not able to look at it now, but I do know for instance they broadened the spacing in the 3-track area to 15' whereas most has always been 13'-4" on the LIRR for for the past 75 years - good for up to 120mph or so, and that applies in most overseas standards. (Japan + China are quite broadly spaced.) It introduces problems of physical dynamics - has either to have longer alignments for special trackwork or broader curves - in short, IT ADDS TO THE COST. The Freight Carrier Railroad Engineering FRA Revolving Door Cabal actually prefers 17.5' and have lately stated that dimension as a minimum requirement for track used by PASSENGER TRAINS in the Code of Federal Regulations. I figure they were afraid someone would raise a fuss if they proposed making it 17.5 - but THEY MAKE THE LAWS. The reason for this preference of theirs is that when their square-wheeled bad brakes rickety tracks 5-mile-long 5mph freight trains derail, that way they are less likely to foul the tracks opposite, so it can be quickly accessed and cleared. (It's part of their business formula.) I don't see any real problem with stacking of tracks (though I doubt it would be necessary) If you have two tracks below-grade and two above it can be much less intrusive - though like I say if it were properly designed I think you could have four. They are always eager to generate intrusion issues in order to achieve their preferred outcome, i.e. regression, usually - or three tracks instead of four. The grade alignment there screams to me there's something wrong with it, I think the tracks in many places should be below, and the streets over, rather than the way they built it. Especially where you see those road underpasses that are so narrow and offputting, like something from the 1st half of the 19th Century. It's not necessary to have it like that.
That’s the Cadillac of New york subway systems. Man compare this to the Brooklyn/Manhattan system
That’s not a subway system, just rather a commuter rail.
@@TheRailLeaguer More like regional rail system not many commuter rails operate 24/7 and offer an arguably high amount of off peak service (at-least in 2023) beyond the typical 9-5 work hours hence the name “Commuter Rail” which was specifically created and caters for the 9-5 niche.
Should've been both a third and a fourth track.
A fourth track is impossible. It will take away homes. Also if your gonna say above the middle track, you’re ridiculous.
@@aqua2poweros699 A fourth track is not impossible. True, it may have taken a few homes, but the benefit would be well worth it. IMHO, while 4 tracks would've been the ultimate, I can live with 3. Mineola should've been rebuilt as an island platform station.
Not taking away homes is impossible if the mta install a 4th track. Also I agree. Mineola should have been built with island platforms
@@aqua2poweros699 well this sort of thing is why govenments have the power of Eminent domain. it sucks to be the people effected and isnt exacly popular but hey ho
@@thedriver4038 Easy for you to say when it's not your home being taken away.
I hope the net result of this is less traffic on the LIE which frankly should only be trucks, buses and vetted three passenger minimum private automobiles. Public transit could be greatly improved if the NY legislature would force down the unions who have forever blocked private bus lines from using public (tax payer funded) bus stops like is allowed in NJ.
Why should the Private Sector benefit from Public Investment?
Now fix Metro North and there shenanigans
Should have gone for quad track instead…
cant wait to see how the mta will screw this up
Great! Who has or is paying for the upgrades?
YOU!!!!! And other taxpayers.
@@cats0182 that’s literally how infrastructure works. European countries have such great railway systems because taxpayers are willing to pay a lot on those projects in return for a very reliable network. In the US with the ‘liberty!!!’ idea this just doesn’t work.
Pretty dumb "question". As if government spending is inherently bad
@@stevenroshni1228 Not so! The upgrades could be paid for out of operating funds, or the authority overseeing the LIRR could issue bonds to pay for the upgrade. The bonds could be serviced out of operating funds.
@@peeryoutube That depends on the country. Some spend more, others less. Some places in the U.S. add local taxes for large infrastructure projects (e.g. Austin, Seattle, …), along with federal and state grants, so it’s not some foreign concept lol.
And I wouldn’t call passenger rail in Europe great. Unless, you’re a tourist, who avoids rural or suburban areas.
now do this to the homeless shelter, erm i mean the subway
😂
plz.
@@aqua2poweros699 huh
@@broyofroyo1207 The Subway needs these types of renovations
@Jean m it does